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DPG Fundage

whitejade85 5:30pm, 20 November 2008
So, I was looking over last nights meeting notes and got to the part about the DPG account and Karl's question about how much money has been eaten so far.
If we lose $5 a month that equates to $60 a year being eaten. My thought was that instead of watching the funds dwindle away perhaps we could start dues to replentish it. At my estimate if 20 people were to give dues, $3 a year would make us break even.
I think it would be easy to make it a bit more than that so we could gain some money and have more at hand to fund shows, trips, holiday parties, web domains, whatever.
I know some folks have said we should have dues, I just want to throw the idea out there offically and we could decide at the next meeting.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
I think that sounds like a really good idea. I can deal with $3 a year.
fallfaceforward 10 years ago
my only thought is there are 100+ people who are techincally a part of this group, but only 15-20 who come to meetings. How do we get those other 80+ people to pay dues?

i'm down with paying dues, even monthly, but this could be tricky.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Brute force.
whitejade85 10 years ago
Talking to Tina once, she mentioned the idea of paying dues to vote, and you have to go to meetings to vote. So that would just apply to the more active members, which seems more fair anyways because they are the once that would utilize the funds.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 10 years ago
The whole basis of this group was, there is no cost to be a member, anyone can join in the fun.

I say we ask for donations, we used to at every meeting. This is where the money came from that is in the account now, but we stopped for some reason.

Maybe I am wrong but this seems like the best way to move forward.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
I didnt know there was ever donations. I like this as well.
whitejade85 10 years ago
I'm not opposed to a simple passing of the hat either. I would be simpler.
tina_p0608 10 years ago
Dues are a very tricky thing, but if done right can be a great thing.

Going back to the basis of the group, Shawn makes a great point.

I say that we just ask for donations at evey meeting.

This is something that needs to be brought up at the next meeting.

I can explain how my nursing club does the due thing if any one wants to know.
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If this group goes in the direction of Dues and Associations I foresee myself bowing out. Not because of the money, I have donated in the past, but because I don't see forcing people to pay dues as being a friendly way to get us money or active members.

If you like the DPG and enjoy participating, donate a few bucks if you have it. If you don't have money to spare, come by anyways, meet people, join in the festivities and just have fun.

I very much like the idea of an open group with some structure, but not a Club. If it goes in that direction then we become like every other photo club.
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MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina Posted 10 years ago. Edited by MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina (admin) 10 years ago
There are free account out there and could switch to one of those. And yes to the bringing up donations and or if someone wants to do a yearly donation.. We should keep track of this and who donates what... Could this be a tax write off? I suppose not ... were not a charity.
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
We have had people looking up free checking accounts, but none with accounts requiring 2 signatures. If we want to close that account, it would be no different than the treasurer having control of the entire account and then she or he could just keep a cash box of the DPG $$ and use it as an extension of their own personal account. I am fine with any way of doing this, as long as the members have all of the correct info and make an informed decision.

By the way, we would need to apply for non-profit status in order for any kind of donations to be tax exempt.
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Karl W. 10 years ago
I don't like the idea of having "dues"

I guess I like the idea of having just one signature so that we don't lose that $5 each month and just intrust it with either Moe or Brian, because either way $60 a year is like three round trips in a car to the twin cities we could use for a photo "walk" or something.
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
I don't like dues either. Why don't we just have a yearly minimum that we have to make passing the hat and get really noise and guilty trip-y in November if we don't get that? (NPR Style)

Jason
whitejade85 10 years ago
LOL to be completely NPR we'd have to dedicate a month of discussion to fundraising only.
I am totally cool with a passing the hat style thing too. I just like the idea of having more money to make more use of to help with shows and stuff like that.
I definatly would not like to get all crazy about it and demand money from people before letting them sit down at a meeting or something.
Anna Merritt 10 years ago
I am one of those that have not had the pleasure of making a meeting as yet...I think that passing the hat is a good idea...I would be willing to donate to the cause as well. As for an account, I have my business with a credit union and I don't have fees unless I have a certain amount of action, not ammount, just action...??? Just a thnought. Keeping a cash box works for most things as well.
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pH foto 10 years ago
I'm in favor of single sig account to save fees. Moe and HBR are trustworthy fellows, and not hedge fund managers as far as I know.

Regarding donations, nothing opens wallets like a tambourine, live snakes, and lots of shouting.
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
Paul, will you be providing these for the next meeting?
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duluthiscool Posted 10 years ago. Edited by duluthiscool (admin) 10 years ago
my view? pay as you go. plus scholarships and donations.

for example... hbr and wife-of-hbr kicked in a crapload of funds many months ago. others probably did too...

others chipped in via a show by edgewood for photos sold...

161 members. 150 of which are "me-too". no problem. we welcome the me-too-ers... i'm one too. those folks likely rarely read the discussions, every now and again post a photo... never come to meetings... and will laugh at an entry fee.

i had been kicking around the idea of offering a few scholarships or stipends or fellowships or whatever label you want to put on it... for someone to be able to hang their art in nate's show. i decided against... for my own selfish reasons. why? cuz it really only costs about $25.00 or so to put together a decent photo in frame. and since we get to only put up one, it really isn't breaking the bank if you want to participate...

instead? i want to hire and pay for the band. because then dozens of folks or more get to benefit from that. and that's what i want to do. and i think that they should get paid for their work. even if we could find someone to do it for no cost... which we can.

will $3.00 a year kill me? no. but $3.00 * 18 people who really participate? well. i really don't see the point. and i guess in reality... i think having hbr and wife-of-hbr's money in a checking account is likely more work than it is worth... however... if the folks that put money into that pile want to do it that way... cool for them. but let's keep it low key... until one of you sells one of your photos for major bucks to some hotel franchise... and donate the proceeds to the group... then we'll have some real coin to argue about!

I'm with Shawn. I'm not interested in dues. Don't make us join the SPG.
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duluthiscool 10 years ago
Rather than asking for generalized donations...

How about discussing things that the group would like to financially support...

or...

Have develop a grant process... And the grant application and acceptance process...

In this way... folks can donate time/energy/money towards supporting some type of grant... maybe even ear-mark their donated dollars in support of a specific grant project?

Think of how much fun this type of bureaucracy might be!!
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
Here's what I say.

Step 1: Capture a hobo.

I think that the rest pretty much follows naturally.

Jason
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manley.josh 10 years ago
i would have no problem dotating loot to the group. I look at it as an investment in knowledge...i have learned tons from just going out and shooting with some of you that i think that its worth a few bucks.
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JustinSinks 10 years ago
I am against demanding dues. I think we should bring up giving money to the group at every meeting, but this is not a church so I dont see it as proper to pass a hat around. Those who want to donate can do so after the meeting.
And it would help if we defined what we are doing with the money. We so far have used little or none for anything.
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Karl W. 10 years ago
I'd just like to see for sure that what we do have, doesn't go to waste in the bank until we figure this out better or have more funds going through.

Take a vote on having a free bank account?
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
The vote would be to close the account and have the current treasurer be the sole person in charge of the account (under the direction of the group.)

Yeah, that would be me, unless someone else wants to take it.

I will start the thread to take votes.
Captain Campion 10 years ago
Back to the idea of where the money comes from, since there is now a seperate thread for how to manage what we currently have and what will be coming in in the future, I for one am open to donating to group at the meetings. Perhaps just a quick word at the begining of the meeting like "And for anyone who wants to give/contribute stop with HBR before you leave." Just non-formal, no hat, no shake downs just something to let people (especially us newbies) know that if we want we can give ....
whitejade85 10 years ago
I just hate to see the money being frittered away on fees and not used. It's just a waste in my opinion.
I honestly dont see the harm in passing a hat, you are not obligated to ever put anything it, its more to put the idea out there.
Of course any use of the money would be voted on by all members of the group, for only group activies.
I realze none of us are exactly swimming in money, so I see pitching to the group as helping all of us make things happen that might otherwise be financially strapping. I don't mean as in funding everyone's projects, but rather I mean as in items for shows( like food), materials for workshops, and so on.
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
On taking donations, I will have some way of recording on the spot who and how much. People will be able to give directly to me, but I will only announce how much was given as not to put anybody in an uncomfortable position.

But I do think that it needs to be at least mentioned at every meeting, but I can guarantee that more will be collected if a "hat" is passed, but also more people will be uncomfortable with that as well.
Anna Merritt 10 years ago
can you post an address to send to? I have not been able to make it to a meeting, however I feel that I should contribute to a group that I feel I belong and that I brag about to others. I have gained much knowledge from this group...thanks
NorthernMinnesotaPhoto 10 years ago
Ok, I'll keep it short. We're photographers, let's sell something. When I was a ski patrol, we had a yearly used ski equipment sale held at the ski area. Everybody put's something in that they can afford to part with, give it a price, the DFG takes their cut 20-33 %.

Prints, Note Cards of the area, Gift Cards to Pet Sessions whatever, but a once a year thing.
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