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HBRstudios 2:15pm, 29 August 2008
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maxcaven 10 years ago
The D90's video mode looks amazing. So does the camera itself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVQX1rC-fRA
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duluthiscool 10 years ago
Well... although as I Nikon owner, I can see how you might be attempting to fan the flames of war... these two cameras are not in the same class. The Canon 50D is in the class of the Nikon D700, no of the Nikon D90.

It is disappointing that Canon continues with the 1.6x crop at this point in history. Do they believe that achieving the 1:1 aspect ratio is the only remaining reason to purchase the 5D? At least the Nikon D700 is full-frame...
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
I've got a bad feeling about this, Chewy.

Jason
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N. Lindstrom Photo Posted 10 years ago. Edited by N. Lindstrom Photo (admin) 10 years ago
This aint like dustin' crops boy.

I dont understand why they felt the need to put video on a dslr. If it was that important to a person, wouldnt you just get a a video camera?
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maxcaven 10 years ago
you have control of the depth of field and aperature, which is more than you can say then most video cameras, even the higher end one.
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
"you have control of the depth of field and aperature, which is more than you can say then most video cameras, even the higher end one."

You can do that the right way for ~$1200.

www.amazon.com/Canon-XL1-Digital-Camcorder-Kit/dp/B000050FA5

Why do I care about DOF if I'm taking interlaced video (I doubt that the shutter is capable of continuous operation), don't have serious inputs for sound and have to carry it around in an SLR form factor? In camcorder mode, this thing is less than a consumer grade camcorder, but with fancy lenses.

This is what I can't stand about digital cameras. This is the "big" photographic news of 2008? Wow! My camera can now take movies; let me toss that on the pile of "shit I'll never make movies with" next to my cell phone.

C'mon, Nikon/Canon. Do something interesting. Where's my credit-card sized rangefinder with no battery-sucking LCD and interchangeable lenses? Do some actual innovating!

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
...Which isn't to say that they couldn't innovate in the SLR format. They sure did in the earlier days of DSLRs -- instant feedback including built-in histograms are a Polaroid that's better than Polaroid for free with your camera. Holding down the shutter button and shooting multiple FPS was possible in the film days, but wasn't particularly valuable when you were limited to a couple bugs per 36 exposures. It seems like Canon and Nikon are totally complacent now and don't even know HOW to innovate.

I just can't wait to get out of the era of the bulky Canon T90 inspired form factor.

Jason
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N. Lindstrom Photo Posted 10 years ago. Edited by N. Lindstrom Photo (admin) 10 years ago
I agree. Video is one more thing to suck up my battery, my memory, and one more thing to go haywire. Anyone who is actually going to do something with what they record will more than likely by a real video camera. My first Adv. POS had video. I never used it because of the reasons above, but Im sure I paid extra because it was on the camera.....

Same with Live View. I can see in some instances it would be nice. Would I use it? Unlikey.

But this is all just my opinion of course : )
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maxcaven 10 years ago
k sorry I'm not a video guy, I thought it was neat for something on the fly...
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Hambone Lewinski Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Hambone Lewinski (admin) 10 years ago
"I thought it was neat for something on the fly..."

Don't get me wrong -- it probably is. I wouldn't MIND having video in my camera, as long as it doesn't get in the way of "normal" operation. It's just like with video in your cell phone, but with an opportunity to be higher quality.

But to tout that as the "killer" app of a new camera? It makes me feel like we've lost our way...

Jason
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Randall Cottrell 10 years ago
"I thought it was neat for something on the fly... "

exactly, max. i have no idea how many times i've been shooting something and though, damn...i really wish this thing had video.

i'm not going to go out and buy a video camera to drag around w/ my dslr and backpack already full of gear, so having a video mode on my camera would be awesome and convenient.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Yeah, I guess thats true.

Im a bit confused as to how it actually records though. Is it through the same senor or something totally different crammed in there? Then again I guess I havent really looked in to it....
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maxcaven 10 years ago
From the looks of the video I posted, I think it's a quasi kind of live mode, I can't image that that shutter is going off at 24 frames per second.
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manley.josh 10 years ago
i'm buying the 50D.
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Randall Cottrell 10 years ago
i'm buying your face
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manley.josh 10 years ago
ha!!! Canon rules, Nikon druels!!!
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duluthiscool 10 years ago
Just out of curiosity... how many of you own a relatively "modern" video camera?

For those of you that do... most (all?) of them have the ability to take still photos that are stored on a memory stick.

How do you use them? Me? NEVER? Why? Because I own a camera that was designed specifically for that task. And because the generic do-everything-in-a-box thingy sux.

Yes. It is a cool academic exercise... building it because they can. Who knows... perhaps this will be the holy grail that Nikon users hope and need it to be. Either way, I'm not buying it, so I really don't care. Just fanning flames.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Caliente Pocket.
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maxcaven Posted 10 years ago. Edited by maxcaven (moderator) 10 years ago
The quality of those pictures from a video cam blow, it's not worth using. However, the video quality looks decent from the D90, so it's feasible to use it. You may never know when you need it. And I definitely used the video mode on my old p&s just for small clips. Your comparing apples to oranges.

I don't plan on getting a D90 I have D300, but for the target audience, video mode on the D90 makes sense.
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duluthiscool Posted 10 years ago. Edited by duluthiscool (admin) 10 years ago
Yes, you are correct, it is comparing apples to oranges. When making apple sauce, use apples. When making orange juice, use oranges. Oh, and just to inflame... when taking photographs, use Canon.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Wow. When talking smack, do so from behind a computer screen?
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
I prefer products made by Cannon and Nikona!

Jason
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maxcaven 10 years ago
hahahah you are hilarious, I'm glad it's come down to taking cheap shots at others work and preferred brand of camera. I never mentioned any of your work, or talked down about canon. Great.
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duluthiscool 10 years ago
cheap shots at others work? who is taking cheap shots at others work? preferred brand of camera? clearly that was intended as a joke. if you do not recognize it as such, than i am sorry.
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maxcaven 10 years ago
when you say to "use canon" and I'm a nikon user, I'm taking that as my work is sub par. It may have been a joke but the time I did not appreciate it.
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
My work must really suck -- I use:

- Voigtlander
- Pentax
- Former Soviet Union FED brand
- Yashica
- ...And I'm not even "above" cheap knockoff brands like Soligor and Chinon

Those aren't Nikon OR Canon!

...Actually, my work does kind of suck. But that's not the point.

Jason
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 10 years ago
Friggin CaNikon gear snobs......... LOL

Pentax FTMFW
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
I think you meant Minolta dudeman.

Like I even care what folks think. My first camera was a blue Kodak 110 that automatically put Leonardo the Ninja Turtle in the lower left of every pic. I sure was proud of it......
Gee... my little Fujifilm must make me a pariah.

Do my ancient Canon Canonet and A-1 35mm redeem me at least a little?
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K. Praslowicz 10 years ago
Did you just use the word Ancient in conjunction to the Canonet & A-1?

Goofball. ;)
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Hambone Lewinski 10 years ago
A yashica electro 35 always beats a canonet lolz
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It isn't the equipment, it is the person behind the equipment and how they put it to use. I have seen killer images from camera phones.

This thread got way out off track from where it started.

Everyone here has a good sense of humor and I believe that no one meant anyone any harm or foul.
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duluthiscool Posted 10 years ago. Edited by duluthiscool (admin) 10 years ago
No harm. No foul. Yes, it would seem that most folks recognize that Ford vs. Chevy arguments are silly and pointless. Cannon's Rule!
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peteSwede PRO 10 years ago
ford's suck too.

i thought everyone knew that.
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JustinSinks 10 years ago
Its not the car, its the person behind the wheel...
Misplaced In The Midwest Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Misplaced In The Midwest (member) 10 years ago
@Sjixxxy: Well... I got the Canonet from my grandparents for my 12th birthday... in 1978.

I think I was 16 or 17 when I saved my pennies for a year and bought the A-1... in 1983 or '84.

So by some standards, both are sort of ancient.

And I LIKE being a goofball.

As fer Ford vs. Chevy? A true redneck only drives MOPAR.

*adjusts mullet, and glares at all of you*
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manley.josh 10 years ago
CityGuyPrairieGirl: *cowering in fear of your mullet and muscle car* :)
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Josh you would cower at a Prius.
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manley.josh 10 years ago
YEAH BUT IT HAD FLAMES ON IT....eek!
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duluthiscool 10 years ago
silly rabbits... rednecks drive 4x4 camaro's...

How much more redneck?
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
Oh, what have I done here?!?!
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manley.josh Posted 10 years ago. Edited by manley.josh (admin) 10 years ago
that car is awesome! thats the one in hillside right?

agreed, so much for the camera war. ha!

ps. I'm still buying the 50D.
Anna Merritt 10 years ago
I have had several off the wall brands and I have had Minolta and Nikon...I have taken awesome pictures with each of them...and...I have taken a LOT of crap shots too...I like my Nikon, however, I LOVE the Olympus for my macro flower shots...

Oh, and I drive a carrroooolllaaaa 5 speed...42 mpg...hehehehehe
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Well, I just found this, so Im throwing it in.

www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA900/AA900A.HTM
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manley.josh 10 years ago
"ISO Noise at 200" ?!?!?!?!

why?
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N. Lindstrom Photo 10 years ago
Yeah, because they can.
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aReasontoHope 10 years ago
Brian you've been warned by earlier topics that this would turn into some kind of rampage. :D
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HBRstudios 10 years ago
Yeah, I figgered.
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maxcaven 10 years ago
nikons base iso is 200. Thats where the dynamic range and colors look the best, compared to iso 100. The more advanced cameras, (d300, d3, ect) can go below this, but there really isn't a noise advantage, just less light and less DR.
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manley.josh 10 years ago
i just don't get why their camera has noise at ISO 200...that seems crazy to me, especially for a full frame 25mp camera.
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maxcaven 10 years ago
whoopies, I thought we were talking about the d90
Owen Fifield 10 years ago
Anyone that needs a video function on their camera is somewhat reflective of an inability to capture motion. It's the same feeling as when a photographer can't bare to leave objects undefined or mysterious in the photo, and resorts to a flash to make sure that everyone sees what was there. In a true image you can hear the sounds and smell the scents. Leave video for the people who can't convey atmosphere in their photos.
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maxcaven 10 years ago
uhhh owen, I don't think nikon intends it to replace the picture taking aspect of it. Like I can see where you're coming from, but you're looking at it, in a way to artsy way. It's more so a practicality function. Nikon probably added it, 1)Because they could, 2)It's a selling point.

Also as a person who loves strobist, I'm not sure I agree/understand your stance on flash.

ps. are you back at school now?
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maxcaven 10 years ago
Hmmmmm looks like the new 5D Mrk II has video...

www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=3702
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