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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul 5:32pm, 14 December 2007
I am buying/ordering a new camera this weekend, but I can't decide what lenses to get. I think I am going to order a Canon, but I am not sure which one yet. (probably the XTi, but I am debating the 30D as well)

Anyway, what do you all think are the lens "must haves"? I, of course, shoot a lot of nature and landscape photography, I love shooting macro, and I am going to be getting into portrait photography as well.
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manley.josh Posted 11 years ago. Edited by manley.josh (admin) 11 years ago
For landscapes: Canon EF 17-40mm F/4 L is amazing, one of the highest rated lenses Canon has ever made. The 16-35 F/2.8 L is also often thrown into the debate but it is twice the price.

I also would recommend the EF-S 60mm F/2.8 Macro or the even better rated EF 100mm F/2.8 Macro. both are great and only around $300-$450.

For portrait work the 85mm F/1.2 L and the 135mm F/2.0 L Canon lenses are some of the most revered, but each costs $1600 and $900 respectivly.

Oh...almost forgot the Canon 50mm F/1.8...this lens is CHEAP!! $80!!! you get what you pay for in build quality but the pictures are amazing. Most people say they buy multiples so that when one breaks they have a back up because it is that good.

i have spent countless hours at work researching lenses...it's almost sickening...almost.

feel free to pick my brain.
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peteSwede PRO 11 years ago
canon fanbois we are.

i would suggest a used 20/30d over the xti for the feeling alone. There are other reasons, but they really do feel better, and for practically the same price.

I love my sigma 10-20mm for outdoor stuff/landscapes, but is pretty useless for wildlife. I love my 50mm 1.4 for most everything else, but than again i don't spend much time outdoors taking pictures of my surroundings.

the 18-55mm ef-s kit lens that the rebels come with feels incredibly cheap and gets rated just so-so. It, like the 50mm 1.8 has a plastic mount. In fact every part but the lenses them selves are plastic on those 2.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
Naw, go pentax. The k10d has the richest feature set of SLR's in the sub $1000 range and can be had allot cheaper especially with the $100 rebate right now.
Not to mention the fact that is compatible with every K-Mount Lens Pentax has ever made and there are over 24million out there. This doesn't include the non-oem lenses.

Think about having Anti Shake in body v.s. having to buy lenses with Anti Shake. Also anti dust, PRIME imaging engine and many others.

Don't get me wrong, Canon has great equipment and arguably the best lens lineup. I just had to throw this out as a more bang for your buck alternative.

Taken from the www.luminous-landscape.com website review.
While I assume that you know something about the K10D (otherwise you wouldn't be here), I won't recite every feature and spec. There are enough of them though that a small summary is likely in order. The K10D's more salient features include...

– 10MP APS-C sized CCD sensor
– Shake reduction, usable with all lenses
– Dust removal system
– a weather sealed gasketed body
– 11 point autofocus
– DNG raw format
– post exposure in-camera conversion from raw to JPG

...and about two dozen more capabilities, which make this one of the most feature-rich cameras on the market, at any price point.
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
Ahem.

I am very happy with my Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4. You aren't going to get a new lens anywhere near that fast. Sure you have to focus and set your exposure manually in stop-down mode, but that's good for you! I swear!

cgi.ebay.com/PENTAX-50MM-F-1-4-SMC-TAKUMAR-SCREW-MOUNT-LE...

I rarely use anything else, although I have been shooting a 28mm Soligor these past few weeks to develop my composition skills with that field of view.

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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
I have heard great things about the XTi, but then again i have never used one soooo...

If you are at all intrested in taking pictures of people go with the 50mm 1.8, i love it for its low light abilities..

Sigh i wish i could afford me some L series;)
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
If I were to buy a DSLR (if I could afford one!) I would go with a K10D. Why?

1) Size. Size, size, size. The K10D and K100D are the only DSLRs that feels, in my hands, like the film SLRs of yore that I enjoy shooting. (To be fair, I've never held an XT/XTi -- it looks like it is a comfortable size)

2) Lenses. Although you can shoot M42 lenses on any DSLR w/stop down mode, you can shoot all the K-Mount lenses on a K10D as well. There are some excellent K-Mount lenses that can be had for a song these days because they are fully manual.

Jason
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Does anywhere in town have both the Canons and Pentaxes to check out in person?
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul (admin) 11 years ago
Shawn, I am watching a K10 demo right now and I admit that I do like the features for the price. Like it being weather resistant. I shoot a lot in rain and snow, and that would be nice to have on my camera.

If I get the K10, what lenses do you recommend?

Everyone, thanks for the comments. You all have made this decision so hard, so thanks for making my life difficult. ;-P This morning I was set on the XTi, but now I am not sure. Yesterday I was set on the 30D, but talked myself out of it. And now Shawn and Jason have me thinking of the K10. I think I need to go check them out in person to make my final decision.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
What is your budget?

there is the 16-45mm F/4 Great for landscapes and under $400

The Flaghip is the DA* 16-50mm F/2.8 and the DA* 50-135mm F/2.8
Both are in the 800 range. the nice thing is you can pick up older manual focus Pentax branded lenses for a song.

One more point, if you get the kit lens with the body it is arguably the the best 18-55mm kit lens on the market.

My next lens is the 16-50mm F/2.8
it has superior build quality and has one stop at F/2.8 which is an advantage over the 16-45mm F/4 expecially indoors.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
I will bring mine to the meeting next week. You won't be dissapointed.

You can buy K-Mount Lenses with the "A" setting that allow you to use any metering mode and let the camera stop the lens down for you. You just have to manually focus.

there is always the old Pentax 50mm-F series F/1.7 AF lens. that can be had for about $150-$200 on ebay, depending on the day.
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I'd like to keep it under $1500, and that includes me needing to buy a new tripod and camera bag. Right now I have $1800 in my cart at BH photo with the XTi, three lenses, a Bogen tripod, a bag, and a memory card. I really don't want to spend quite that much though.

I like the idea of manual focus lenses because I love manual focus, so buying those used would be good for me. Auto focus bugs me for some reason.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
I just paid $564 for my K10d body through Beach Camera on Amazon.com and after the $100 pentax mail in rebate that leaves you with $1000 to play with.
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I would get the K10d Body, either the 16-45mm F/4 or the $16-50mm F/2.8 a tripod and a bag.
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For a starter lens it's always nice to have versatility.. go with a 18-70 or better yet an 18-200. Then the next lens you should get would be a nice 50mm or 30mm f1.4 after that they are all specialty lenses. I don't know about the cannon junk... Go Nikon!!! And Shawn... Beach Camera??? I have heard shady things about those folks. My suggestion would be and only ever will be... By local or Adaroma or B&H.
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I read some scary reviews about Beach Camera this morning too, but I also saw some good ones. Hmmmm.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
I heard the same things, but thought ordering through Amazon was a safe bet and i was right.
I got my camera within the same week i ordered it.

Also, B+H and Adorama were sold out and i didn't want to lose out on the $100 rebate.
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$540 after rebate when bought from and shipped from Amazon themselves I just saw on their site.
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manley.josh 11 years ago
I will still be bringing (to beaners) my Canon 30D with my Canon EF 17-40mm F/4L, and my Canon EF-S 60mm F/2.8 macro.

PS you can stop by my store at the mall anytime, most days i bring my camera with me to work.
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Trailprints Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Trailprints (admin) 11 years ago
Well.. as a Huge Canon fan, I will be very much biased here...
But, The slightly used Canon 30D is hands Down (that means Pentax hands too) one of the best values available. Ive used every canon Digital SLR camera made in the last 5 years (except the 1D's) and it has everything you want for $700 on ebay or classifieds. It comes with the 17-55mm cheapo lens, that does work supprisingly well for a general purpose lens, but you will crave more.
The XTI does offer the newness factor, but at the expense of quality (plastic vs. mangesium/ poor high ISO images/ less rugged, and like Pete says "the feel")

Personally haven't heard of ANYONE not enjoying the Canon D line.
Even pro 1D users ($5000 camera) say the 30/40d cameras give them very good results.

Lenses, well Primes are the Bomb.. the 50mm 1.4 is in the$300 range, and will allow you to get images in virtual darkness, something you can't do with any zoom lenses. Also, the portraits pictures from that 50mm makes people 'pop' out of the screen, a very cool effect of wide aperatures Then look at upgrading the kit zoom into a 17-40mm L lens($600-750) if you are looking for publish quality landscape images.

You will certainly be happy with most Dslr's out there, but I know Canon has been repeatedly rated Very well, and there are countless parts/ lenses/ ect available for them And with many Canon users around, borrowing stuff should be easy too.
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strong agreement on the body being magnesium over plastic. My Nikon D200 feels like a camera and allot of these plastic DSLR's feel cheep.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
Trailprints,
Out of curiosity, Why is the used 30d hands down a better value than the New K10d?
I am not trying to start a war, but would honestly love to know why it is superior.
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peteSwede PRO 11 years ago
I think we are able to keep this from becoming a jab-fest, but I have never really considered another brand when all i hear for the most part is great reviews about Canon products.

And this thread was started asking about lenses for Canons so that's where we went with it.

I am curious though about the desire for manual focus lenses. I don't see it. I have always had af, and afaik, A Mother's Soul is in the same boat. That being said, i would be (and am) willing to spend a little more time researching the right lens and a little more money for quality and af.

I realise a number of you come from film backgrounds and may be more comfortable with manual focus, and thankfully, most all new lenses still offer a switch to flip over to it.

this is fun. I'm glad to be a part of this conversation.

-Peter
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Trailprints 11 years ago
No, fair question.
I personally have not used the new D-Pentax's, so my objectivity is based on reviews of knowlegable users. The big 2 reasons for me are:
1> lack of defined sharpness on edge resolution (basically every picture seems like it could use a bit of sharpening)
2>Far less popular by pro users

i realize the 'popularity' card seems really weak, but in reality, if 80% of all sports photographers use Canon, and resale market is Booming, then there is good reason for this.

I also really believe that the lenses available for the Canon line is superior to most maufacturers.
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Trailprints 11 years ago
Also, as previously mentioned I am Canon Biased...
For anyone doing research, I am guessing most of you have stumbled onto the DP review website : www.dpreview.com/reviews/
They do like the Pentax well enough, but they also rate it lower than the last 3 evolutions of the Canon cameras.

Bu in all seriousness, all cameras mentioned are very close in quality and features.

Lenses however, Canon has a much more robust linup here.
I also really like reading/ reviewing lenses, and am willing to pay for what i percieve as a benefit. I don't know of any other brand that has so many lens choices to meet every concievable need.
-And as i outgrow a lens, i know i will be able to sell it for most of what i paid for it, and try something else.
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
"If I get the K10, what lenses do you recommend?"

As Shawn points out, the Kit lens is excellent.

As I've said, I'm in love with the f/1.4 SMC Takumars that shipped in the 1970s... they have a cheerful glow about them that I love, esp. in color. They are also sharp as can be:
www.pbase.com/cameras/pentax/50_14_smc_takumar

...I think that this lens was made in a K-Mount under a different name (just SMC, I think) through the A series with manual focus, if you prefer automatic exposure settings.

In my opinion it is best to avoid huge lenses like 18-200mm; they usually can't be as fast as shorter lenses (esp. primes! I heart primes) and tend to be pretty bulky. I think I've read that, by design, they have to have more element groups as well, which means more air/glass surfaces. I like shooting my 85-200 in a K-Mount, but I think that its almost a foot long!

Finally, the MOST important thing:
THE GLASS YOU SHOOT IS FAR LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE PHOTOGRAPHER SHOOTING IT. Bad photographs taken on a Leica are still bad photographs.

Seriously. I shoot any number of goofy manual cameras, and I think that your work that you do on a "prosumer" P&S is leaps and bounds better than mine.

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
"I am curious though about the desire for manual focus lenses."

I think that manual focus is just a side effect; the BIG benefit of the Pentax cameras is that Pentax hasn't changed its standard bayonet mount since the 1975 when it was introduced. That means that every lens ever made for a K-Mount can be mounted on the current Pentax offerings.

Furthermore, every M42 lens can be mounted on a Pentax with an adapter and you can still focus at infinity. Of course, you can do that on almost any other bayonet mount DSLR, too, so you Canonfolk and Nikonheads are all invited to the SMC Takumar party. :-)

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
...And let me expound on my statement in my first post:

Use whatever camera feels most comfortable to you.

Use whatever lenses meet your need as a photographer.

Honestly, these SLR cameras are almost all the same as far as quality goes. The differences are really little nitpicky things. So the real criterion is, which camera is LEAST likely to hinder your ability to take amazing photos?

Jason
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Jason, thank you for this last statement. That is where I am at right now. I am going to go out this weekend and try to check out the cameras first hand because I haven't played with any that I am considering, and then whatever feels right to me after all that is what I will buy. Also, Jason you are too kind as far as your statement about my work because what I have seen of yours is really good. :-)

Peter, glad to have you part of the conversation. The P&S that I am now shooting with actually has a manual focus lens and I enjoy it quite a bit. Admittedly I don't have much experience shooting AF on DSLR's, so it could be that I would end up liking it more. I guess time will tell!

Trailprints (sorry, I can't remember your real name right now), thank you for all of the awesome information. I am going to keep it all in mind, for sure.

Shawn, thank you for your input too. I always appreciate what you have to say.

Josh, can't wait to see your 30D next week and finally get to meet you in person. :-)
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
I will come and bring my camera too, however if your anything like me youll already have your new camera in hand;)

And as far as bodies go, my 40d is very heavy and sturdy compaired to my old Xt, which is plastic and small. It took some serious getting used too...

How come you haven't considered Nikon?
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I don't know why I haven't considered Nikon. No reason, I guess. But I am not discussing it anyway, because I am already overwhelmed with trying to decide what I am going to buy!

BTW, glad that you are finally planning to make it to a mtg!
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Doesnt mean they love it, lol

I remember how horrible it was deciding, i feel for you..
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
hey that other dude's post diseapeared from right above my last one, wierd
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
I think BB has alot of different camera's, but they are really overpriced;) I know they at least had the 30d a few months ago, my friend bought it, but at some insane price;)
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manley.josh Posted 11 years ago. Edited by manley.josh (admin) 11 years ago
Shana: the Qwest guys will have a onslaught of Canon gear for you to try. Will you have purchased something before the meet on Wed?

the list so far:

2 Canon 30D's
1 Canon 40D
EF 17-40mm F/4L
EF-S 60mm F/2.8 macro
EF 100mm F/2.8 Macro
EF 50mm F/1.4
EF-S 17-55mm F/2.8 IS (rated as good as L, but not labeled L)
EF 300mm F/4L
Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6
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Akatzmarkphotography Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Akatzmarkphotography (moderator) 11 years ago
Wait, Qwest is a phone company right? Do you all have cameras there, im so confused, hahah


I would love to try out a 50mm 1.4

What does the S mean on this?
"EF-S 17-55mm F/2.8 IS (rated as good as L, but not labeled L)"

Sounds promising;)
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Sweetlake Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Sweetlake (moderator) 11 years ago
Take your time on a new camera - try out the Cs, Ns and Ps. Don't rush. jnovek is right, get the one that feels most comfortable in your hands, that makes sense to operate. It's really nice to change settings quickly, not run through menus. I tried to fall in love with the D40x but it didn't do it for me. The Pentaxes felt great (for me). Find out what does it for you first.

The kit lenses are cheap and OK, shoot a bit with a kit lens first before letting the $ flow on glass.

There is something to having the antishake/vibration reduction/imagestabilization in the camera vs in the lens. I now, aa couple of months later, wish I had the k10d rather than the k100 now but I was a bit rushed.

jnovek - I bought a 50mm1.4, auto focus new for $199 and love it. It has the same element design as the old takumars, smc coatings and all. Nice manual focus, too.
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Sweetlake 11 years ago
Oh yeah, as someone who made the jump from Panasonic FZ to DSLR, you will miss the versatility of that lens. Hold onto that camera for a while.
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Anyone have a 24-105L IS that i can try, lol, i might have to start saving!
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manley.josh Posted 11 years ago. Edited by manley.josh (admin) 11 years ago
Katz: Qwest is a phone company. We just have a TON of down time so we bring our cameras. PS thanks for the tag, it was actually a friends asprine.

and the "S" in EF-S designates lenses made for cropped scensors like the 20, 30, 40D, XT, XTi's. they are generally great lenses but they don't work with full frame Canons like the 1D's and the 5D.
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
interesting! I wanna try that!
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Josh, I HAD been planning on ordering this weekend, but after this thread I have realized that I need to think more about this and a try a bunch of equipment out first hand before I buy. So I will be looking forward to trying the Quest guy's stuff out on Wed.

Ted, thank-you, you are right. I am not going to rush myself on this purchase.
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manley.josh 11 years ago
Shana: not to nit-pick but "trying out the Qwest guy's stuff" sounds naughty :-)

benadryl again?
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Are there hot quest guys, i wanna play with there Canon stuff too!

And FTR Benadryl does very bad things to me too.. I cannot take it with my kids home, its bad..
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 11 years ago
I really want to add, that what Trailprints has mentioned about sharpness is to do with JPG files mostly. All digital images need some sort of sharpening, Yes, all digital images. When shooting JPG you are letting the camera do all the editing and sharpening for you. I prefer the control of RAW files.
The K10d is it's sharpest in RAW mode as are most DSLR's. If you shoot jpg's allot, that might be an issue. If you shoot raw, it really isn't.
The millions of ISO and sharpening tests that are done online are almost always done with JPG shots.
I have seen some High Iso tests where the Canon smokes the K10d.

Also, as far as Pros using Canon, it has allot to do with their lens line, no doubt. It also has a ton to do with the FPS as canon has the most frames per second right now if I remember correctly and some of the higher end Canons handle High ISO's like a dream.

This is a really good thread and I am for any brand out there actually. It is true you should see what suits you best. I am not trying to say the Pentax K10D is the best, but if you read any of the reviews online you will see it gets allot of rave reviews.

I don't think you can go wrong with any DSLR at all Shana.
Good Luck Camera Hunting!
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
"Shana: not to nit-pick but "trying out the Qwest guy's stuff" sounds naughty :-)"

I believe that many-a feature film has been centered around that very premise...

Jason
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Someone watches to many of the Xxx channels, lol
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Karl W. 11 years ago
It took me 15 minutes to get caught up on what everyone was saying,

Go canon! "this what moe must have been talking about the pro canon movement" lol
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manley.josh 11 years ago
Katz: "Are there hot quest guys, i wanna play with there Canon stuff too!" For the record, we are all hot!
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Lol thats what they all say;)
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>>Shana: not to nit-pick but "trying out the Qwest guy's stuff" sounds naughty :-)

benadryl again? <<

No, that was just me being naughty. ;-) You know, that old married woman with four kids kind of naughty. Like, I've had one drink tonight and I am ready to pass out naughty. Who knows though, I just took another dose of Benadryl so it could be a wild night!
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manley.josh 11 years ago
Hahaha!
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
"It took me 15 minutes to get caught up on what everyone was saying,"

exactly my thoughts karl. i just came across this thread and...whoa

well...my thoughts on all this:

1] i am a nikon guy...and would i still be one if i had to start over? i believe so. however i believe what ted said about the d40x...i didn't like mine either

2] shana...if i were you, in this case i'd go w/ a canon. you really will have a much greater variety of lenses to choose from. and since a good majority of canon users here in the group..you can really see what the stuff is like and person and see how it feels in your hands

3] for you pentax guys...i'm curious and have been for a while. i still want to get by hands on one of hbr's film slrs. pentax's seem great and i always see a ton of cheap lenses on ebay

4] holy crap this thread is more than plentiful with information, and it really did take me a while to figure out what the heck was going on


be careful when trying out the quest guys' stuff...
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As of right now I am leaning towards the 30D, but I am not making my final decision until after our meeting on Wednesday.
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
be careful when trying out the quest guys' stuff...

Hahah why?
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Karl W. 11 years ago
Even with the 20D there isn't much differences between those two. Just a larger lcd and true spot metering, about all I remember and it's a few hundred cheaper. Then again a 30D would be newer.
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peteSwede PRO 11 years ago
true Karl. I've read the same.
I jumped from the 10d to 30 and there are plenty of changes there to keep me happy.

Oh, watch out for us, we'll beat you up for touching our lenses. or my grips. pow!
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
dub...i thought i saw you at the mall one day, but i wasn't sure so i just walked on by

next time...and i'll smudge up your lenses!
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Akatzmarkphotography 11 years ago
Ot: Stupid question warning.... Whats a grip do?
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A grip = battery Grip. Holds an extra battery. gives you something to hold onto and doubles battery life.
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