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Meet-Up at Longwood Gardens Sunday December 3 at 3PM

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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

A couple of weeks ago I recall there was interest in doing a longwood gardens meet-up. I'd like to coordinate a meet-up on 12/3 at 3PM, to allow for better lighting and evening shots. If your interested please post here and I'll collect contact info when the date approaches.

Note: Longwood does not allow tripod use, but permit monopods.

www.longwoodgardens.org
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wkmpellucid says:

Its possibe for me. I'll be back in Philadelphia by Friday.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

Great! I'll firm up the roster on Friday
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bashful rings [deleted] says:

I think I am going to end up at Longwood Gardens later in the week with my out-of-town co-workers, so I will probably skip but may change my mind at the last minute depending on weather.
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Miss Plum says:

i'd like to go, but i really don't have a way to get there. is there a train station nearby someone would be willing to pick me up at?
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

@Miss Plum - We can figure something out.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Looks nice. I may attend if someone has a decent hand-held light meter to lend me, as I'm totally clueless once I switch to manual exposure times. This place seems to have a lot to offer in terms of night / low light photography.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

Yes, but you can't use a tripod....

Interestingly, nothing is stated about monopods...
www.longwoodgardens.org/VisitorFAQ_1_2_2_2.html#Tripods and Easels
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

I would call in advance about the monopod. They don't get in the way like tripods may, but I wouldn't just assume. I'm sure they wouldn't mind (or even notice) me using my mini 6" table tripod that can easily slip into my pocket...
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

I spoke with the visitors center today and they confirmed that monopods are permitted at all times.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Yay, anyone have a monopod to lend me? haha
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Miss Plum says:

dang, i guess i need to get a monopod.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

Please remember, we'll have a good 2+ hours of sunlight, and the conservatories and fountains are well lit. The only issue may be when trying to do photos of lit tree's in total darkness.
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Miss Plum says:

it's possible i might be able to talk my mom or another family member into driving me out there. i'll let you all know. it looks like there is no septa that gets me anywhere near that direction on the map. any suggestions?
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Ed Roper says:

Addie, take the R5 to the Exton station. Thats probably the closest to Longwood as you're going to get. Then somebody can pick you up from there.

Me on the otherhand... I'm hopefully doing a promo shoot for a local band.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Ed, we still gotta get together for a model shoot! I can come by your way, or you can come up to the farm, or wherever sounds good.

Looks like I'll be shooting the christmas colours in black and white, as free film from class is about all I can afford!
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Miss Plum says:

looks like my mom is going to come with me to longwood on sunday, so i won't need a ride.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

Thats great Addie!
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shutteratthethought says:

For those of you in need of a monopod. It do alot of business with NYCV and worked a "SMALL" deal that anyone who mentions my name will get a %10 discount off any monopod. Ask for Frank at the store when purchasing. If he is not there, just explain the deal that was made to Carl Walker(that's me). They are also interested in seeing if you all would be interested in a basic "studio lighting workshop" in which we would get a discount as well. The monopod I am purchasing is a Giotto MV-8250 retails for $45.00 plus tax.
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alankin says:

I can't make this one. Maybe next time...
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

While we are at it, I'm picking up the Bogen 680 Compact Monopod at Allens Camera in Levittown for $52 + tax. I'm not sure of the retail price but Allen and the gang have always provided me with superb customer service and great prices.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

I'll just duct-tape my camera to my head and stand really still. ;)

Thanks for the info there, Carl. I'm more interested at the moment in a good sturdy tri-pod, though. Esentially, a tripod can become a monopod when the legs are drawn in, so I see no point in buying a monopod. (plus, I'm just really cheap)
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

I've seen a tripod where the center pole converts into a monopod, pretty cool and not horribly expensive. (Under $100 on ebay)
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shutteratthethought says:

I hear ya Ursula, I'm still figuring out what I need for "bare" necessities. I decided against the monopod.. and am holding out for a flash system.... but i'm not allowed to buy anything else until after the holidays... grrrrrrrrr
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Ed Roper says:

Carl, if you havent already :

strobist.blogspot.com

For all your low-cost lighting on the cheap howtos

For the price of one nikon SB-800 i have a two light setup, with stands, umbrellas, etc.

Add in the wireless transmitters i got from ebay, and the background stand + plain white & black sheets from walmart. I have a fully functioning & portable studio setup...
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

I'd agree that a monopod is a nice to have rather than a must have, unless your shooting sporting events or don't feel like lugging around a large tripod like Ed does....

As for me, I lost too many shots to camera shake while "hiking" in tyler state park and with the low light conditions at Longwood, its worth the $50 to save some shots.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

That's when you gotta find a tree or stump or someting to place your camera on, and set the self timer. I once took a two-second exposure hand-held, squating up against a corner with my elbows out, pushing into the walls to steady my arms and hands, with the camera pressed firmly to my face, and I didn't breath until I heard the shutter close. Came out crystal clear. Of course, there just happened to be a corner of wall at the right distance from what I was shooting. Otherwise, I suggest investing in a good tripod as well. ;)

Monopods are also good for live shows when you don't want to be knocking everyone out of the way with a tripod.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

OK Guys, Please send me a flickr email to confirm your going to the meet-up and we can exchange phone numbers.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

I'll be there.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Oh cool, I see we'll be meeting Addie's mom. Does she do photography too, or is she just coming for the fun?
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Miss Plum says:

my mom just recently got her own digital camera. she's on flickr, but since most of her stuff is of her grandkids right now, they're marked for family only. i think she's excited to come out and shoot with everyone! my dad will be there too, sans camera.

is there a particular meeting spot?

stan, i'm messaging you my number.
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Philly Stan is a group administrator Philly Stan says:

3:00 in the main entrance lobby area should be good meeting place.

Its going to be a great day for it, should warm up nicely by afternoon.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

WOOHOO!

See ya guys at 3!
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Warm up? HA!

Still was a fun time, though! Can't wait to see how my new flash worked, and that crazy experimenting with the 3200 ISO film that I'm gonna push to 12,500. Super high contrast grainy black and white crhsitmas lights and trees and bursts of waterfountains shooting into the sky. Yay!

Oh, and your parents rock, Addie!
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wkmpellucid says:

Which 3200 ISO film? Not T-Max 3200p.
You know its real ISO speed is 800-1000. The 3200p on the box is marketing!!!
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Miss Plum says:

thanks! i'll tell them you said so :) good to see you guys yesterday!
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

wkmpellucid - (or do you have a real first name? hehe) I used Ilfords Delta 3200 Professional. I know that actually has a rated speed of 1250, but when developed in Ilford Microphen developer, it automatically pushes it to 1600, then it can be futher pushed to 3200, 6400, or even all the way up to 12,500 if you set your camera's ISO to 3200 and then underexpose each shot by two stops, to compensate for the fact that camera's don't have an ISO dial that goes up to 12,500. (with the camerea set to 3200 and underexposing each shot by two stops, it somehow magically, mathematically, works when pushing to 12,500 in Microphen. Which would be developed for 16.5 minutes then. (3200, 6400, 12,500) so yeah, that's two stops there.. I think I made sense out of that. ;)

Addie - Yes, was awesome seeing you guys! You and your mom (and dad too, if he's interested) should come up to the farm then to see the sheep! And there's all kinds of fun stuff other than sheep to photograph in the barn, the basement and attic of the house.. the house itself.. the property, etc etc.. I'm not sure how much longer the sheep will be there, though. This is their spring to fall home, but since it's been so warm (until the last couple of days, anyway) there's been enough grass here for the sheep to keep 'em here this late into the fall.
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wkmpellucid says:

Ursula,

Pushing film is only increasing contrast. If you don't expose it, you can't develop it. At some point increased development will only add base density as fog. There are no magic film developers.
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wkmpellucid says:

I was back in Philadelphia but pretty busy dealing with stuff from last month's still and video shoot in Mexico so I missed this past weekend's photo meet-up.

Ursula, I do have a first name and a middle name.
Middle name is "Keith"
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Adam Schuetze says:

I don't know about TMAX, but with the Delta 3200, it's not simply marketing. Sure, it's partly marketing, but it's not like they are lying. The film behaves as 3200 speed when underexposed. It's true speed may be close to 1200, but it was designed to be pushed or pulled, it has a large dynamic range. TMAX is the same type of film technology as Delta 3200, but I have no idea about its "true" speed.

It's true though, if the scene is outside the sensitivity range of the emulsion (exposing normally or under or overexposing), you're going to lose detail, because the information just isn't there to print. No matter how much you over or under develop it. There is no magic developer, but choosing the right developer helps. From my own testing, D-76 produces awful pushed results with Delta 3200, but Xtol is better, and Microphen better still. Don't know why exactly, but it works.

I use this film a lot, both at 3200 and pushed or pulled between 800 and 12,800 (mostly pushed to 6400, or pulled to 800). 12,800 is stretching the emulsion a *lot* (to the point where it's just a novelty), but 6400 still gives nice results. And I just love the sandpaper grain at 800. Being able to over or underexpose a film by 2 stops each way (from its marketed "pushed limit") says a lot about it's dynamic range. That reminds me, I need to try using it at 400 and see how it looks :)

As long as the scene is within the light sensitivity range of the emulsion (with an under or over exposure), you'll be able to extract the information from the negative. Not all films are created equal in this regard. For example, Delta 3200 looks a lot cleaner than Neopan 1600 pushed to 3200, and from my limited experience I would think that Delta has a larger dynamic range. Of course, you do lose shadow detail when you underexpose, that's just how it goes.

Some film can be pushed without even changing the development. I underexpose Tri-X all the time by one stop and develop normally (Microdol-X (1+3) between 17min and 18:40, depending on lighting conditions). Sometimes the differences between 400 and 800 aren't even noticeable in the result.
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Ed Roper says:

Eeeeeek. This is why I went digital.
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Adam Schuetze says:

But that takes all the "fun" out of it :)

Where fun = frustrating hours poring over negatives, wondering why different soups behave differently.
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wkmpellucid says:

Death by Flickr,

Get yourself a densitometer and then tell me that there is no difference between 400 ISO and 800 ISO exposure.
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Adam Schuetze says:

Of course there is a difference, but oftentimes it is not noticeable even when looking at very high resolution negative scans.
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Hmm.. makes sense to me. I sent DbF here because he does a much better job at explaining this than I can! Plus, having more experience with film than I do is a plus. My recent B&W Christmas light shots that I added to the pool here were all shot with the Delta 3200, pushed to 12,800, made into 8x10 prints all at f/5.6 in the enlarger, split filtered (of course) and I think I got something pretty awesome going on. Why anyone would want to go digital is beyond me, when there is SO MUCH you can do with film. Digital only wishes it were film. Even a 24MP digital is no match to a large format camera where a single negative is 8x10 inches large! Death to digital, I say!
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Adam Schuetze says:

Hey... I like digital.
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But I like film more.
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Adam Schuetze says:

Speaking of big megapixel digital, there's a 39 MP Hasselblad, and a 49 megapixel back that fits the Hasselblad SWC/M. That might work :)
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Miss Plum says:

ursula, you'll be happy to hear i just got my own scanner. more film for me!
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harmonious sink [deleted] says:

Miss Plum: YAY!!!! *applauds*

Nah, digital isn't bad for some stuff. I wouldn't mind having a decent digital for models done in colour with studio lighting and such. But when it comes to my more artsy black and white stuff, and decaying abandonments, B&W film is the only way to go.

Hmm, 39MP? Well if the 24MP Hasselblad I was reading about was around $27,000, what would a 39MP go for? $45,000 or something ridiculous like that? And digitals become outdated so quickly.. My 70-year-old 6x9 Foth Doppel Anastigmat that was recently donated to me, is still taking great pictures after all this time. There are some professional photographers who use mostly toy cameras, and have done some of the most incredible work I've seen. And pinhole cameras!!! I so need to start experimenting with one of those.. Of course, it's all preference what you're looking for.. but... whatever.. blablabla... I think I'll go clean the lens on the Foth and pop a roll of Delta 400 into it while there's still some daylight..
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