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iris. 12:00am, 31 January 2007
i hear echoes of the first yahoo! bashing discussions... i hear the echoes of the flickreenos denying everything...

can anyone unbury those discussions?

for me this is like having to eat my own liver in order to keep posting pictures.
i'm very reluctant to migrate (again! first buzznet, now flickr), but oh do i hate yahoo.
Jerry Cooke 11 years ago
First I've heard of this? Are they making it compulsory? I've been pissed off enough with havnig to click through two pages when I'm at uni (on the slow mac internet connection as well).

No way I'm abandonig flickr for any reason though, I've been using it for more than two years now, way before all the yahoo tripe and I'm not likely to stop any time soon. Then again, I'm a hardened comercialism fighter, I'm still hanging onto buzznet by my teeth (2 years and 4000 pics.. I'm not giving up) and actually starting to make some creative input for the good of fellow photography types.

The only thing I can say for yahoo is that they've kept us add free here. I can't stand adds on photo sites, if I want to send links to my work to a client, I don't want them to have to endure popups and adds for bands. Humpf.
orange cake [deleted] 11 years ago
Hey. I'm against being forced into a different format but I don't understand. Is something changing on this site? Flickr was bought by Yahoo a long time ago.
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iris. Posted 11 years ago. Edited by iris. (admin) 11 years ago
i got this message from flickr HQ:

Dear Old Skool Account-Holding Flickr Member,

On March 15th we'll be discontinuing the old email-based Flickr sign in system. From that point on, everyone will have to use a Yahoo! ID to sign in to Flickr.

We're making this change now to simplify the sign in process in advance of several large projects launching this year, but some Flickr features and tools already require Yahoo! IDs for sign in -- like the mobile site at m.flickr.com or the new Yahoo! Go program for mobiles, available at Yahoo! Go.

95% of your fellow Flickrites already use this system and their experience is just the same as yours is now, except they sign in on a different page. It's easy to switch: it takes about a minute if you already have a Yahoo! ID and about five minutes if you don't.

You can make the switch at any time in the next few months, from today till the 15th. (After that day, you'll be required to merge before you continue using your account.) To switch, go to Merge a Flickr and Yahoo! account.

Nothing else on your account or experience of Flickr changes: you can continue to have your FlickrMail and notifications sent to any email address at any domain and your screenname will remain the same.

Complete details and answers to most common questions are in our FAQ: Yahoo! IDs, signing in and screen names.

Thanks for your patience and understanding - and even bigger thanks for your continued support of Flickr: if you're reading this, you've been around for a while and that means a lot to us!

Warmest regards,

- The Flickreenos

so everything stays the same except you're owned by yahoo.

oh yeah, and i totally dig the fact that yahoo members get preferencial treatment with all those features. you know, nevermind having been part of flickr for ages...
chichard41 PRO 11 years ago
Against this compulsory merging completely, this is not what I paid for and anyway Yahoo sucks in comparison to anything else on the web.
chichard41 PRO 11 years ago
"I'm going to delete my Yahoo! account. What happens to my Flickr photos?

If you associated your Flickr account with your Yahoo! ID and you delete your Yahoo! account, you won't be able to sign in to your Flickr account. And all your photos will be deleted."
billturner PRO 11 years ago
Is it really that bad? So, now you'll have one less login to remember? Nothing changes at all. You'll still be "iris." and "chichard41" and "mrnonrespondo." Your flickr URLs won't change, only the way you sign in.

Do you not have a Yahoo ID and don't want to sign up?


oh yeah, and i totally dig the fact that yahoo members get preferencial treatment with all those features.


What preferential treatment? I don't see anything preferential in that email.

These groups have come and gone, but I doubt they were buried by Yahoo. The only times I've seen anything buried is when it was inflammatory or incorrect.

As a disclaimer, I used to work for Yahoo, but no longer do. I'll be honest in that they haven't always done the right thing with the companies they bought in the past (the one I worked for included), but other than merging the accounts from Flickr to my Yahoo id, they haven't done anything detrimental to Flickr. If anything, they're providing Flickr with the money, the infrastructure, more brilliant minds to work on the site, redundancy, etc.
billturner PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by billturner (member) 11 years ago
Also, this has been coming for at least a year. There was an announcement ages ago that eventually you would only be able to use a Yahoo ID to log in. This isn't something new.

I guess I can understand folks being upset about having a new way to sign in, but will you really notice after the first few times?

I don't get the Yahoo hate. They have done some bonehead things in the past, but they've let flickr thrive, and that's not going to change now.
vanishing cream 11 years ago
i got the same bullshit message in the same patronizing starbucks corp hipster speak that is all the rage with the aging sellouts these days ::coughstewartcough::

here's the first group started when this first came up...

flickr.com/groups/flick_off/

i'm suprised it took them this long to finally just come out of the asshole closet.

i sure hope yahoocaneatabagofdicks@yahoo.com is not already taken, because come march 15th i totally call dibs.
tadmur 11 years ago
I don't have a yahoo ID and have no desire to ever get one. I have enough IDs to remember I do not want to add another one to the list. It would be alright if I could get a reasonable ID from yahoo but pretty much anything that has any meaning whatsoever is taken.

I'm quite happy using my gmail address for my username at places. Microsoft Passport allows this just fine. Flickr used to up until it was bought out by Yahoo.
billturner PRO 11 years ago

i'm suprised it took them this long to finally just come out of the asshole closet.


Seriously? What's that supposed to mean? "Aging sellout"? Give me a break.

If it really pisses you off that much, why stick around? Yes, you have a lot of photos and history invested in this site. Well, so do Stewart and Heather and Aaron and Dan and the rest of the group. What a shame they were recognized and were rewarded for what they've done.

If they really were "aging sellouts" do you think they'd still be around? Wouldn't they have just taken the money and run, leaving the site to be mangled by Yahoo?
billturner PRO 11 years ago

I'm quite happy using my gmail address for my username at places. Microsoft Passport allows this just fine.


What?! So, it's okay if other companies do it, but not Yahoo?! What's the difference?


Flickr used to up until it was bought out by Yahoo.


Not really. Your Flickr username/password was only valid at Flickr. Not at other sites. Right?

Yeah, all the good usernames are taken. So? I have a crappy AIM id because I didn't sign up 10 years ago. I still signed up and use it though.

It doesn't matter what your yahoo username is, your flickr username doesn't change. At all.
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iris. 11 years ago
billturner, yes it's been a long time coming, as we feared, but i remember reading in discussion groups the flickr hq guys saying that NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
they reassured us that yahoo would not make a difference to us. only to the yahoo members. and this measure is a blatant contradiction to what they said.

my beef isn't with screennames. fair enough if the plans have changed, but it all sounds a little extortionistish? that i can't use my account if i don't merge with yahoo? i just can't stand the fact that i'll belong to them again. i once did and really disliked it. i want nothing to do with yahoo. so there's my reason.

oh, the preferential treatment is the stuff about having the sign-in page readily available for yahoo ids, while the rest of us have to click away to sign in, like jerry said, gadgets only yahoo members can access, including mobile access... so no wonder the supposed 95% have merged the accounts.
tadmur 11 years ago
no, flickr did not have a username per se. You signed in with your email address and a password. Works the same way as MS Passport. It's easy and unique. No one should have the same email address as you.

And yes your flickr username does change... if I merged to my flickr account to my new yahoo account with username032u4821u3098213092@yahoo.com I have to type that in and remember that evertime I want to log in to flckr.
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iris. 11 years ago
by the by, let's keep this civilized, gentlemen.
billturner PRO 11 years ago

no, flickr did not have a username per se. You signed in with your email address and a password. Works the same way as MS Passport. It's easy and unique. No one should have the same email address as you.

Yes, and this is how it will work now. You'll log in with your yahoo username (shouldn't need the @yahoo.com), but you can put that there if you want.

Oh, I checked, tadmurflickr@yahoo.com is available. That's not so bad is it?

iris., I see what you mean about the preferential treatment. I didn't get an email since I had merged when they first told us about it. And I guess if Yahoo had treated you poorly in the past, I can understand the trepidation. You won't belong to Yahoo any more than you previously belonged to Flickr, or how you currently belong to your hosting provider, etc, etc.

And I could swear that they never said that it would always be optional. I thought it was always understood that they would require only the yahoo login at some point in the future.
billturner PRO 11 years ago
Here's the original posts from the flickr blog:

1st announcement: blog.flickr.com/flickrblog/2005/08/one_less_passwo.html

Follow up (that specifies that the change will be required and not always optional): blog.flickr.com/flickrblog/2005/08/flickr_and_yaho.html

Here's a news article from around the same time, that also says that the change will eventually not be optional (i.e. yahoo only) - but it says that the required change would be in 2006 sometime): news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4201438.stm
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iris. 11 years ago
it's all a big disappointment, billturner. having a paid account and all.
it's the fact that it's compulsory.

let me put it this way, as i put it to someone who asked me why i was against this:

it just feels like having to forcefully eat a happymeal before being able to get a healthy miso soup. being a vegetarian and all. the miso soup will still be miso soup, equally as delicious, but the compromise is consuming the happymeal you've rejected and avoided.

i'm happy that flickr has gotten all the funding, and it's great that it's protected by a parent company, but i'm very wary of this. they were very vague about things. if they do this to us when they said we wouldn't notice the difference, it means that it most likely won't stop there by remaining ambiguous.

we're forced to do this, and it makes me uneasy. and i feel that i have to protest against it.
billturner PRO 11 years ago
Gotcha, and I appreciate your position. It is a shame that it is being forced. I guess to me it isn't that big of a deal. I've had a Yahoo ID/account for almost 10 years, and never had any problems. I realize that's not the case with everyone.

Whatever happens, I would truly hate to lose you on Flickr, as I've enjoyed your photos for years. Same with irregulargirl.
tadmur 11 years ago
It probably seems to be an insubstantial point to you, but I do not want another user name to remember. Tadmur isn't a username I use.. it's simply a screen name I picked on here. It's not something that I can even remember half the time. Again, that's having to change usernames from what I currently use.

I think Yahoo should adopt something like what MS Passports have where you can set up your username to be an email address from a different provider. Why does it matter to Yahoo if you're @yahoo.com or @aol.com? Authentication is authentication.

If I'm going to have to make up a seperate username for flickr I want it to be similiar to what I already use - there is nothing avil. on yahoo even remotely close to any of the usernames I use. Again, tadmur is not a username that I use. It was simply a stupid screenname I came up with for flickr. As well, if I'm about to get a yahoo account I don't want to be something as flickr specific as tadmurflickr.
eviltwin PRO 11 years ago
I've just gone through the account merge procedure and now I'm even more against this for the stupidly forceful nature of Yahoo!'s policies.

I have to give a postcode when I sign up. Why?
I chose not to have a Yahoo! email address during sign up, yet on completetion it says "Your new Yahoo! email address is xxxx@yahoo.com because it doesn't matter what I want, I'm gonna be forced to have one anyway.

This is nothing more than a way for Yahoo! to artificially inflate it's user count. And I'm sure if I now say "fuck Yahoo!" they can suspend my account without warning.
comfortable representative [deleted] 11 years ago
Miriam, muchas gracias por invitarme al grupo,lo uqe pasa es qeu umm no tengo ni idea de ingles, es que el ingles y yo no somos muy buenos amigos.
SOS, SOS
EricGjerde 11 years ago
I get it that they need to merge their infrastructures and want to have a single sign-on that is consistent with the Yahoo! Corp branding; I am not bothered by this.

However, I personally just don't really *want* another throwaway web email/tracking/personalizedwhatever account. I've been quite happy having a flickr account tied to my current email, and as a customer this is not a move that is positive on my behalf- only on Yahoo! Corp.

So I realize that I'll have to go with the flow and sign up for their big ugly web2.0megaloginportalsite, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Which is a bummer, since normally I feel like a Flickr evangelist most times.

Realistically from an IA point of view this is a logical thing, and I would do the same, but of course I'm an end user of Flickr and not an architect of it, so I'm entitled to be grumpy about having to change things for the worse on my end of things.

When Yahoo bites the big one and Google swallows them whole, I just hope I can roll my flickr login to my gmail login and be done with this...
JonasHeinisch 11 years ago
fuck of these commercial shit happening with flickr!!!
flickr has been independence for years and now it's going to be a part of a big company?!?

why the hell??? why are they doing this to us? why should we be all part of commercial? why is there no choice anymore? why did they force us to merge? why did we have to live in a "dictator community"? why can't we make decissions on ourselves? is flickr really as bad that they have to deal with yahoo???

I have a dream that the "flickreenos" give us the choice between flickr and yahoo.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that everyone should be free of commercial companies.
I have a dream today.
This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to my desk. With this face we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this face we will be able to transform flickr in a free community. With this face we will be able to photograph together, to post together, to discuss together, to inform together, to boykott yahoo together, to fight for a free flickr together, knowing that we will be free one day.
(parts adapted from MLK's speech "I have a dream")

SO STAND UP FOR A FREE FLICKR AND RISE YOUR HANDS AGAINST FLICKR!!!
billturner PRO 11 years ago
@tadmur: What does it really matter what your flickr username is? You'll use it only for logging into flickr. Also, unless you can get the exact username you want, will you no longer sign up for any other web service, no matter how cool?

@eviltwin: What's the big deal about the zip/postcode? Why does that matter? Yes, you get a yahoo email address/account. Do you have to use it? No, I don't think you do. I don't think they're trying to inflate their usercount. They already have 100s of millions.

@EricGjerde: That's the primary reason, you got it. They're just trying to simplify the authentication across the Yahoo properties. You don't need to have the yahoo email address as the only contact for your flickr account. I log in with my yahoo account, but all flickr friend messages, group invites, etc go to another email address of mine. Not my yahoo address.

@kphaber321: What "commercial shit"? Yahoo has owned Flickr for more than a year (2 years now?). This was coming, and I don't see the commercialism in having to get a yahoo ID at all. Can you explain that? Also, I'm not sure Dr. King would like his speech co-opted for this. :)

@iris.: I'm not sure that analogy is very valid. You're still eating the same Miso soup that you love. Think of this as just having to go to a different store to buy it. It's still vegetarian, still the same, same name, just different packaging perhaps.
vanishing cream 11 years ago
wow...bill...you need to get a better hobby than obsessing over a lame message board with a bunch of cyber strangers. no wonder you get so overtly defensive when someone voices their opinion that has nothing to do with you. why have you taken it upon yourself to *correct* everyone's thinking towards your own mainstream views that happen to coincide with yahoo!? oh wait, i forgot, i dont give a flying fart why you are a hack like the rest of them.

but since you are so omniknowing...i dont need to waste my time justifying to the likes of you why i have stayed on flickr for damn near 3 years.

its obvious why you are still here though...
billturner PRO 11 years ago

ir regular girl is blocking you.


Hah! Priceless.
MaryamSaqer 11 years ago
Good that you made this group :D , thanks!!! , i want to sign in flickr by flickr not yahoo..
Bellaroo 11 years ago
I've been using my Yahoo ID from the beginning. I had to because I already had a Yahoo account I guess. So it's all the same to me.
It seems like nothing is really different except the log in process. Flickr has been part of yahoo for a long time.
But I do sympathize.
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iris. 11 years ago
billturner, i think my analogy is perfectly correct and valid, i think you may have not read it properly. you forget the premise of my aforementioned vegeteranism (and the unmentioned hate towards mcdonald's that i have), therefore eating a happy meal would go against my beliefs and my moral standpoint.
boiled down:
miso soup = vegetarian
happy meal = definitely not vegeterian and definitely not organically produced with free roaming cows that haven't been forcefed hormones.

we're only expressing our discomfort, bill. there's no need to belittle our feelings towards this issue because that's just gonna cause trouble, as above. it's not a matter of shooting down our concerns, but of understanding where we're coming from.

just because it's all the same to you doesn't mean it's all the same to the rest of us.
billturner PRO 11 years ago
@iris.: I really hope I hadn't belittled or angered anyone. That really wasn't my purpose. I was attempting to understand why there was so much animosity towards this decision by Flickr. I have begun to understand.

If I had offended anyone, I truly apologize. We disagree about this decision. I don't want to piss off anyone else. I'll shut up.
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iris. 11 years ago
oh bill i'm not personally pissed off. i don't know about other users, (although blocking is an extreme measure).

you have every right to express your opinion on this also. so please do not feel like we want you to shut up! we don't.
uberschnapp PRO 11 years ago
This is bad, I have merged my accounts, I had to, BUT here in the UK if you use British Telecom as an ISP you are more than likely to have done this with a BT Yahoo sign in, SO, I guess if you ever want to change your ISP and you have merged Flickr with your BT Yahoo identity you not only loose your BT yahoo e-mail account but all your flickr pics as well - that's fine you might say if you have a free account, but I am a paid up PRO member with a lot of pics on Flickr.

My wife also has a flickr account and now we have to log off not only flickr but also yahoo which logs on in the background as well when you sign in. Messy and nasty, I will stick around until a good alternative comes up and then I'm out of here... shame as Flickr was a wonderful idea but it now all seems just a little sinister.....
fancy cheese [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by fancy cheese (member) 11 years ago
My guess is the merging issue came as a result of some bright corporate spark looking for some kind of future angle to profit Yahoo .

I am not anti profit but a human touch here and there makes for better business even if in some cases it allows for idiosyncracy.

Regularising people to slots and systems delivery that make for corporate ease or later ambitions really does tingle my antennae which tends to inspire me make back up arrangements...

I'm pathologically an individualist so I'll be watching further developments.... But hell what do corporate boys care about individuals anyway ? - The big numbers are their game . So be it ..

The net will develop room for other options ..

My instinct tells me the corporate powers are looking for ways to manipulate the market of mass attention of the internet - that goes for flickr too ..

The paradox of flickr is that it is individualism which drives it and for that matter quite a lot of the internet - so its not easy for anyone to "capture their audience " - lower the soft hooks to sell - and reel the market in - the net was built to be anarchic and idiosyncratic - god that must piss off the corporations who cannot morph the offline world into a a more perfect identicality in the online world ...


All I can say is :


"I AM spartacus ! "


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tadmur 11 years ago
@billturner - Yeah, I don't use webservices if I cannot get one of my common usernames I use for things. I have about three of four that I use. Seriously, if I cannot get an easy short username somewhere, I just don't bother. If there's a new cool service I'm usually in on it from the beginning, thus I can get a username I like. And also, most webservices are not as global as Yahoo IDs - the population base is not there so usually one of my usernames is free. With Yahoo just due to the numbers of accounts it's unlikely that anything common is avil.

A lot of webservices just use my email address as the username and it works out wonderfully. I like this and I don't know why yahoo cannot move to that type of model - microsoft has.
uberschnapp PRO 11 years ago
I hate the way when you log out of flickr "your PC" is still logged into Yahoo - why? If I want flickr I log into flickr, if I wanted yahoo I would log into yahoo...

If I did not value my friends and contacts on Flickr so much I would be standing up with Sivisrivers and saying "I am Spartacus" too.

Maybe Yahoo prefer the "quantity" non PRO members as their revenue no doubt comes from advertising not the annual fees of PROs.

There is room here for someone to offer the same service in a better way.... we live in hope
Dave Ward Photography 11 years ago
Thanks for the invite. I don't know what's more stunning -- that Flickr's staff can't come up with a better solution than this, or the people who are apologists for Yahoo! and are bashing people for expressing any discontent.

Come to think of it, those people who are attacking the protesters are a bit like a miniature version of the repressive Chinese government that ran tanks over students and now jails Shi Tao.

They hate us for our freedom. ;-)
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iris. 11 years ago
i don't know where they get their need to shoot our disappointment down. it's just not their concern to begin with!

and they don't get the fact that we don't want anything to do with flickr. it's our choice to make, not be forced to do!
tychay PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by tychay (member) 11 years ago
I already switched my account over ages ago and like the both Y! (the company and people who work there) and the Flickr devs that work at Y! so I don't object to the switch.

But I'm voicing my support that your point deserves to be heard. I seem to remember that when the merge occurred many thought we'd never be forced to switch.
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iris. 11 years ago
thank you. so much. your gesture is truly appreciated.
some people who have merged seem to have a problem in understanding i have nothing against their merging. it's just that i, personally, as many others, don't want to. it's about the freedom to choose.

yes i was under the impression we didn't have to switch either. many of us only just found out on the 31st.
fancy cheese [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by fancy cheese (member) 11 years ago
I thought a bit more about what I wrote previously about corporate manipulation of the internet . The Offline habit of corporate systems is to capture a market by serving and partly forming its needs to be served . Online the tendency to copy offline thinking and form a market is growing for sure ..

Individualism partly drives the web - but its clear corporate forces would like to shape it to milk in the revenue ... Therefore anything that appears successful like Flickr will be a tempting aquisition.

Flickr's approach is to "loss lead" to pull people into it . Give something away free like space for expression in other words... My guess is if flickr develops to partly violate its own market that will shape responses back to it . And that market will become dominated by mass blinkered drivel. Its a shame but some people like the diet of other's manipulative visions given to them on a writhing plate .. That's advertising and its toilet shaped hyperdrive ..

I see a time approaching when even ordinary folk will be able to double up and become the function of servers so dependency on companies will be eroded . The re-fragmentation of the web then will form communities and maybe subs will be the way forward without the potential violations of the company who own the space claiming ownership over the content of its subscribers ...

There will always be a Spartacus

Ofcourse there will

After all he is an advert now too ...


But there is only one Purple Buniticus

And he is the Anonymity King over himself ....

Subvertise your appetites here. The age of anonymity is upon us .

Bear it and grieve .. And then walk on like a clean shadow ...




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planeta hilda 11 years ago
hello iris
i am an old skool member and i would like to stay one. i don't like yahoo either, don't like their policy and don't like their graphic line, getting into yahoo pages is not a very pleasant visual experience! on the other side, i love flickr.when the merged occured i thought i wouldn't have to switch and continued to use my old skool id. then i have got this email from flickr and i wasn't happy about that but i thought it was an unavoidable matter and i admit i got a yahoo id in order to continue to use flickr.... it was like "take yahoo or leave flickr" and i really don't things put like this... so, thanks for drawing my attention into this issue. you sure have my support: you are right, we should have the chance to choose.
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