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7777 Contest

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gambort PRO 1:20am, 14 August 2011
7777 Redux Logo by gambort


There was a time when LEGO released books of ideas, when trains were a flagship property, when a LEGO license was something you used to drive at LEGOland. That time was the 80s and that time produced 7777. But it was not a perfect time. We now have new parts, new colours, new techniques, and 7777 looks dated. But the idea (pardon the pun) was good. Let's make it better.

In LEGO Train MOCs we run semi-regular contests and challenges. This time we're inviting all AFOLs to play. The challenge is to create a new version of 7777 ideas book (link is to a scanned copy) (also download it here) with prizes for those deemed best and most 7777-like. As a twist we won't be allowing locomotive engines.

This contest differs a little from regular LEGO contests: rather than giving prizes to the best entry we will be assessing entries on how well they would fit in a new version of 7777. This means models should be kept relatively simple, bonus points will be awarded for instructions and scenes, and we won't be looking for exact replicas of obscure trains.

So if you love trains, if you love town, or if you just love LEGO and a new challenge we'd love to see what you can do. You don't even need a single train wheel or track to play. Just bricks and a creative mind.

Closing date: All entries must be in by midnight 31st30th November on the east side of the date line. If your clock says Nov 30th you'll be fine.

Prizes: Three prizes will be given for the three entries judged 'best' (no person will win more than one prize). Prizes are: 10219 Maersk train, 7937 Train Station, 7936 Level Crossing

Rules: There are no hard and fast rules (other than the closing date) however there are judging criteria so if you want a chance of winning you should meet as many of them as possible. We also expect no more than three entries (one is fine) per person. Further entries may be allowed with prior arrangement.

Entering: To enter the contest you must join the 7777 Redux group on flickr and post your entry in the entries thread. If you do not wish to join flickr contact me (Tim G) privately and we may come to an arrangement.

Judging criteria:
1) Model must have 7777ness
1a) Either looks like something that is in 7777 (please refer to the page number)
1b) or Looks like something that should be in 7777
1c) But must not be a locomotive!

2) Clarity of constructions
2a) Must provide at least one breakdown shot/instruction snippet
2b) Bonus points in judging for full instructions or comprehensive breakdowns.

3) Bonus points awarded for background scenes and minifigs and action

4) Models should ideally by completely new. Models may feature old work provided the rest is substantially new.

5); See also this thread for further information.

Judges: Judging will be by me (Tim Gould), Tim David, Peter Norman and special non-trainhead judge Mark Stafford
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Please ask questions here. General discussion belongs here while entries go here
BMW_Indy PRO 4 years ago
Can you clarify what "7777ness" means. Do you mean compact versions of prototypes which naturally fit in with a railroad theme generally? Maybe that extend functionality of the current train sets? Or maybe that the models had a simple construction style consistent with the town line for children. Or maybe building using only parts found in the current product line. Or do you refer to the stylized photographic style?
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
Good question:

In short, all of the above except these two "Or maybe building using only parts found in the current product line. Or do you refer to the stylized photographic style" The former is simply too hard to check and not important in the age of Bricklink (although use of overly rare parts won't do you favours), while the latter would make it too much into a photography contest.

I don't want to formalise it too much but basically we want entries that capture the spirit of a train ideas book. For example overly complicated models are probably not so good as it is hard for people to recreate them. Obviously everyone will interpret this differently but (relative) ease of recreation is definitely important.

We didn't want to restrict it to only models that appear in 7777 as a) it's 30 years old and train lines have new 'things' around and b) we want an even better collaborative version of the book.

Clear as mud?
BMW_Indy PRO 4 years ago
OK. Its going to be interesting to dial back on the details. But as I page through 7777 again now, all those thrilling feelings come back. I wonder ... can I still build like that?
greenmtvince 4 years ago
For those of us not fortunate enough to own a copy of 7777, is there any way we can see some examples of models from this sacred tome?

I had the regular idea books, but never saw a trains idea books.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ You see the link on '7777 Ideas Book'? It points to 7777 Ideas Book ;)

www.peeron.com/scans/7777-1/
greenmtvince 4 years ago
Ah! Didn't realize peeron kept scans. I thought it was just a link to the item entry. Thanks!
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
You need to be more nerdy and follow every link in a new tab ;)

But I'll make it more obvious.
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
Why are the large 7777 scans on PICSL broken?

I don't know but I've asked.


They are fixed.
greenmtvince 4 years ago
As a guy that writes programs for statistics software, I'm cursing myself for not having been nerdy enough.

Also for not having been born sooner, the publication date of 1981 explains why I never saw this book. I was born a year later.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
Question from HappyStikBeaver over at TBB:

I’m assuming by “keep it simple,” the idea is to make it modern yet basic? If I enter, is it okay to have more complex models only using pieces available in the 80′s and early 90′s? Or should it be really modern?


You can build however you like under whatever conditions you like but by restricting yourself to older parts only you will probably not rate as well with the judges .
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
^ begs another question:

How much detail and advanced technique should I include?


The models in Ideas books were always a little more sophisticated than sets. From my perspective I'd say that somewhere a little more advanced than the adult-oriented sets (eg. 10183, Emerald Night, modular buildings, UCS Star Wars) would be perfect.

Personally I consider Dave Stannard's models to be perfect examples (albeit sometimes with too many rare parts). They, to me, exemplify the sort of builds I'd like to see.
lego_nabii PRO 4 years ago
I'll be using the same criteria I do for the Space competition 'Put Your Brick Where Your Mouth Is':

1. Stability - how likely is this model to last a reasonable amount of time in the hands of a 7 or 8 year old.

2. Buildability - is it possible for a 7 year old to build this model from pictures on a flat surface. Are there any 'illegal' LEGO building techniques?

3. Playability - what aspects are there to the model to encourage kids to invest their imaginations and play with it.

4. Awesomeness - (pure coolness) this is a MOC competition and it should look as funky and excellent as you can make it, sometimes 'Awesome' will overrule my other criteria!
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
I'm copying the notes from the judges to a special thread.
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swoofty PRO 4 years ago
If you look through 7777, you'll note that it's all about playfulness. Nothing in it is meant for display on a mantle somewhere, it's meant to be fun to play with. Any entry should certainly be creative, but complicated can be harder to define. The parts available in 1981 were a fraction of what they are now and many pieces that were more common then are rare now. I think building a more complex model with 1981 parts has just as much merit in this contest as a modern version of something found in 7777.
Yooha9 4 years ago
"midnight 31st November" There is no 31st november, so...
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
^ Did you just sign up to flickr to make sure we read your comment after it didn't appear at TBB (it's up now so you can bask in its glory)? That's a lot of work for noticing a pretty basic mistake.

Is it the first mistake you ever noticed? Is that why you're so excited? Congratulations! You just won life.
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ta||tim 4 years ago
Damn, I've now got a day less to build.
Actually damn, I've got a simple idea for an entry that would fit right in, but I'm a judge :-(
Yooha9 4 years ago
gambort: You're welcome.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
Build an example entry.
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
Questions from a non-flickr user:

- Am I allowed to submit multiple entries?

Yes, you can submit up to 3 entries as stated in the rules. More with special permission.

- Is it allowed to submit things that were already under construction at the time you posted the contest but that fit the contest rules? (I'm still working on a large train station and have been for awhile, and I think it goes well with the theme)

If there's no pictures up stating it is finished it's probably OK. Judges will decide on this.

- The rules say no locs, but I have a building in progress that includes a loc although it is not a major part of the structure, is that allowed?

Yes. You can have a locomotive in the shot. But the focus must be on the other builds.
legostudios34 4 years ago
When does this contest end? Also, I would like to know if I could do an LDD entry.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
The answer to your first question is in the original post.

Yes you can submit an LDD entry or an entry in the CAD software of your choice. However! If any parts in your model don't exist in a colour you use for real this will not be seen favourably by me as a judge.
stacker9000 4 years ago
Hey guys, I'm new to FLICKR and I can't figure out how to post my picture to the entry thread. What process do I need to do? Thanks!
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ Just copy the URL for the picture page and put it in square brackets.

eg. [http ://www.flickr.com/photos/gambort/6304879481/] (without the space) makes
Concrete Rail Bridge by gambort
stacker9000 4 years ago
Got it! Thanks Gambort!
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
There's about 38hours to go on this!
hrcywindu 4 years ago
And my entry will be posted soon.
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swoofty PRO 4 years ago
Now it's time for the hammer to drop! The entries are all better than I'd hoped so judging will take some time. Stay tuned and winners will be announced soon.

PS - My new daughter was born 5 days ago so 'soon' is a wonderfully relative timeframe.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ Congratulations!
hrcywindu 4 years ago
Congratulations!
_Matn 4 years ago
Take your time for the judging and congratulations!
Ministickerman 4 years ago
Gratz! always a wonder to receive a newborn!
ted @ndes PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by ted @ndes (member) 4 years ago
Congratulations.

... and it's a shame that a few people added images to the 7777 group pool but forgot to enter them into the actual entry thread. They are things of beauty too, like...

signal box-02 by lafabrick


... and

warehouse 21 by lafabrick
Shunting tractor 01 by lafabrick
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ Indeed. If the other judges agree I'm happy to open an amnesty for people who actually got the stuff built in time. Seems over the top to punish them just because they forgot to post a link.
_Matn 4 years ago
Those are indeed great builds, but I think these particular examples were build way before the contest was announced. I'm not sure though, either way I like those creations.
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ Right. So it might not have been an accident. I think I noticed some others too.
ted @ndes PRO 4 years ago
Ahhhh. Didn't think to look at those photo dates. Well spotted.
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
OK. If anyone posted a _valid_ picture to the pool but did not post an entry please contact me privately within 24hours of now. I don't think anyone did, but just in case.
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
Also... letting everyone know that the judging has started but it will still take quite a while to get the final results.

The time taken isn't helped by the number of excellent entries to choose from. I'm seriously impressed by the talent on show here.
Nieks G. 4 years ago
Merry X-mas everybody! Are there any results yet?
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
Sorry. All the judges have been a bit busy. But they're coming. Hopefully by the end of the year.
Nieks G. 4 years ago
No problem... And no hurry!
Kyphur_Trains 4 years ago
Hello, sorry to be a bother but I was just wondering if we're getting close to knowing the outcome of the contest?
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gambort PRO 4 years ago
^ Very close. Sorry for the delay. There's been a list of reasons which have come one after the other.
Kyphur_Trains 4 years ago
No problem, like I said I don't want to be a bother and honestly the last 2 months (4 months really) have been hectic for me...
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gambort PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by gambort (admin) 4 years ago
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