Living in Monrovia 6:42pm, 4 June 2012
Ok so if you are eating your lunch you may want to pass on reading this. My lovely and wonderful female spoo, Poppy, only has one flaw...she has chronic bad breath. When I brush her teeth it's better for a couple of days at the most, then it starts to smell like fish guts again.

Sometimes when it's real strong it smells like blood and fish guts combined. It's a different fishy smell than she gets when her anal glands need expressing (which I must do about every 3 weeks--lucky me!).

I noticed in the back of her throat the other day that it looked red, kind of like mine does when I have a sore throat, but nothing seemed swollen. She doesn't seem ill or listless. I've written to the vet about the throat, but none of the vets have had any ideas about the breath...and seem to shrug it off and credit it to genetics.

I still feel like maybe there is something going on. I used to think maybe it was how her teeth fit together as the areas where her canine teeth press into her gums when her bite is closed is black rather than pink.

I'm really guessing on all this. Does anyone have any related experience they are willing to share, or ideas that may shed light on this issue? Poppy loves kissing people and I'm training her to be a therapy dog and it would be nice if she had better breath.

My other spoo, who eats the same diet and also has the same tooth brushing schedule, has great breath. I feed them very high quality food.
My Cooper used to have horrible breath.
Turned out this was one of the minor symptoms of his liver issues. Once he was diagnosed and but on the proper treatment his breath was again "normal".
I would have a puppy well check at the vet with blood work (CBC, liver panel, chem panel) just to make sure all is as it should be. And have her checked for parasites.
If all this is normal, then I would have her teeth cleaned by the vet. She may have a slab fracture (cracked tooth) or other dental issues that you cannot see by simple observation.
I hope it is nothing, but in my experience bad breath usually means something inside the body needs attention.
Good luck
Living in Monrovia Posted 5 years ago. Edited by Living in Monrovia (member) 5 years ago
Thanks, Cindy. I have made appt for Poppy to get blood work on Thurs. My favorite vet will charge only $105 for these tests. She's also going to look at Poppy's teeth. Fingers crossed everything's ok.

Amanda
continental6 5 years ago
I personally believe in brushing a dogs teeth everyday. I learned that from a friend who use to breed dogs and was one one the good ones
luvlymikimoto (Miki) 5 years ago
I am aware of at least one Spoo (the lovely Isabella) who had terrible problems with her teeth poking holes into the roof of her mouth - a wicked conformation problem caused, in part, by breeding excessively narrow muzzles ("refined" dontcha know). The holes weren't easy to see - many vets missed the problem. But, among other things, her breath was apparently wretched.

Here's a link that does a good job describing what poor Isabella went through - with pictures. www.trainagility.com/isabellateeth.html
Cinnfully Sweet Standards Posted 5 years ago. Edited by Cinnfully Sweet Standards (member) 5 years ago
The above condition MIKI is referring to is called narrow based canines. A few "reputable" (?) people who show & breed are having 'braces" put on their canines teeth. Then that canine gets its championship, then they breed it, then....... Well then the unsuspecting companion owner gets a puppy with "narrow base canines" and the issues that come with same. UGG
I'm glad your getting poppy checked out and I hope it is some thing minor and easy to remedy. :) take care and give poppy a poodle hug and sloppy poodle kiss from my red heads... /(^-^)\
Flspoo (Angel) PRO 5 years ago
I hope Poppy is OK. It is definitely not normal to have bad breath like that. Keep us posted!
Cinnfully Sweet Standards Posted 5 years ago. Edited by Cinnfully Sweet Standards (member) 5 years ago
Amanda, its Thursday....... Did the vet have any thing of interest to say, or do we have to wait for the blood test results? I'm not a patient person you know and I am concerned. :)
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Runs with Poodles PRO 5 years ago
Any news?
Living in Monrovia 5 years ago
We did a dental and antibiotics, but to no avail. I kept watching and her tonsils and breath stayed the same. A couple of months ago I asked the vet about trying Echinacea, as it's worked so well for me and I know some people have used it on dogs and she said she didn't see the harm in it.

Because her reply wasn't very definitive it made me nervous but another two months went by with no change, so about 5 days ago I tried a small squirt of tincture in her mouth and the next day when she yawned I saw that one side had completely disappeared. No bright red tonsil. Just a normal pink area. The other one was still there so I gave her another tiny squirt of it in her mouth.

I gave more more the next day and the next time I got a look down her throat both sides looked normal. The horrible breath is now almost normal. I can hardly believe something so simple and inexpensive worked. It's wonderful. I recommend if you have a chronic infection of some sort to try it.

Now I must tackle her sensitive skin. She gets little irritations and so far a tiny bit of lime sulfur dip applied with a Q-tip clears most things up in a day.
Living in Monrovia 5 years ago
Thanks to everyone for their concern and suggestions. I hope that my experience is helpful to someone else!
mz_jonesy 4 years ago
Our Baxter developed horrible ammonia-like breath in conjunction with kidney disease. It's what gave our vet the first clue that he was in kidney failure. Not that that's likely a cause with Poppy given her symptoms, but it's my little PSA to others.
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