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"Night" images ?

Glenn McNaughton 10:09am, 1 December 2012
Just an observation..... I don't understand how some photos are accepted into this group ? on the current first page are photos called "Fenix" and " Ball of light" which both appear to be taken in bright daylight...... I thought this was solely for night photos ????? Of course they may have been processed like this but then why take shots at night, make them look like day, then post in a " Night" group ?
I'm particularly puzzled as submissions have to be "passed" to enter the group, how were these accepted? I like admiring the skill of taking good night images, there are numerous other groups out there for these photos....
trash-star [deleted] Posted 5 years ago. Edited by trash-star (member) 5 years ago
You have no idea of what you're looking at, do you? Ball of light was clearly taken at night. There are star trails visible in the sky, which is impossible during the day, and the exposure time had to be long enough to create the light-trail ball effect. Maybe a minute or two exposure. Given the even lighting, it's probably under a full moon. The second one, Fenix is a 20s exposure at ISO200, which is certainly long enough for a night shot in a large city. No star trails are visible, but you can see lights on in the background buildings. I can't tell you for certain that it was taken at night, but I also couldn't say it wasn't taken at night without more information.

Night doesn't necessarily mean dark. Ambient light coupled with long exposures can give the illusion of daylight, with the additions of things like the ball of light effect. The group introduction and submission rules go a long way to separate the ideas of dark and night. They are not used synonymously here.

Having said that, here is one photo that shouldn't have slipped through. It's even tagged with sunshine and sunset.
-ytf- PRO 5 years ago
I don't know if you have ever read any of the other discussions about what we allow and don't allow, but if you had, you would know that we review about 400 submissions per day. The rejection rate, calculated un-scientifically, is about 10-15%. Some slip through, like the sunset photo that trash-star helpfully linked to (and I have removed). The ball-of-light photos, although not high on my favorites list, by nature are long exposures. I barely give them a passing glance when moderating the queue so long as I can see that they are not taken in a cave or deep in the bowels of some abandoned industrial complex. As for Fenix, I rejected it yesterday. It looked like an ND filter shot to me. Often, as in this case, people re-submit until they catch a mod who lets it in. I've rejected some shots 4 or 5 times.

As for the issue of night shots looking like "day," I could not disagree with you more. One of the things that this group celebrates is the variety of techniques and results that can be attained at night. As much as purists like to detract from the "digital" movement, it has opened up new avenues of photography, some which I find fascinating and inspirational. Many of those new avenues relate to pushing back the darkness and revealing what has been hidden within.
Glenn McNaughton 5 years ago
No need for such an arrogant attitude "Trash-star" ? I said I may not understand exactly what they were..... As you'll see from the 2nd comment I'm not alone in my lack of appreciation for this type of photo. I will never understand the reasoning behind it, taking a shot at night then processing it to look like day is simply pointless, it's like buying a steak and cooking it to taste like a slice of fish..... why not buy fish? and I see Fenix has been refused admission before by the moderator who also thought it unsuitable but they kept re- submitting it till they got it in.... very childish , particularly for such a mediocre photo
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Kevin's Stuff PRO 5 years ago
You don't have to "process" a night shot to make it look like day. Sometimes it just happens due to long exposures (or stacking nowadays).

Way back in the film days we used to shoot 6-8 hour exposures. People would think the photos were daylight shots until we pointed out the really long star trails in the sky.

That kind of night photography is valid.
trash-star [deleted] 5 years ago
Sorry if I came across as arrogant. The way I read your OP was, "I don't really know what these images are, but they don't belong in this group." Which, honestly said, rubs me the wrong way. Seeing that I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say, I apologize.

Also, I don't really know why thinks that second photo was a ND filter shot. You can see some windows in the background buildings lit, while other are dark. It's not possible to fake that with a ND filter. Though that alone doesn't necessarily mean it was taken at night.

With regards to the reason for shooting photos like those, there is taste and happenstance. The latter is more or less what described. But taste is more ephemeral. Some people really like how a full moon gives a flat, unnatural looking lighting to a scene. I do, actually, but there is very little chance to do that where I live. In that sense, it may be a bright looking image, but night is still used as one of the creative elements in it. My understanding is that is part of what this group is trying to get at.
-ytf- PRO Posted 5 years ago. Edited by -ytf- (member) 5 years ago
FENIX by Rober1000x

My reasons:
1. Notice the lights on the fence on the left and the streetlamp on the right. They are not illuminated.
2. The lighting on the building as well as the buildings in the background is very directional. Possible under a very bright moon, but not likely on a cloudy night in the city.
3. Look at the lights and read the comments on this version.
4. Compare to this version.

When I rejected it, I only used reason 1. Your response prompted my further investigation. I only say this because I don't want people to think I go to this much trouble to investigate every questionable photo in the pool. I rarely spend more than 5 or 10 seconds on any shot I feel I need to see larger than thumbnail size. I think it is also good for people to know what we look for in a shot that we think doesn't belong. One criteria we never apply is whether or not we like the shot, or think it is poorly executed.
Glenn McNaughton 5 years ago
Thank you all for your comments, I also don't want to "rub folk up the wrong way", I'll continue to enjoy the group + submit any shot I may take which I like, one reason I love photography is it's so subjective....... quite often I show my wife one of my photos I'm very happy with, only for her to say"hmm, yes it's ok.."
Good luck to all..
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Kevin's Stuff PRO 5 years ago
Glenn,

at least she says that to you. I show some of my stuff to my friends, and they really don't say anything about the images. Perhaps they're left speechless? Nah. :)
-ytf- PRO 5 years ago
They just look at me cross-eyed . . .
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