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If you've got a quarter, I'll show you the world

If you've got a quarter, I'll show you the world by Zeb Andrews.
I recently got reacquainted with a fellow photographer who I consider a good friend and have a lot of respect for. He has been absent from Flickr for the better part of a year and a half now. It was a pleasant surprise to see him again, and it was good talking to him. He has long been a fellow whose perceptions I respect and admire. He wrote this e-mail for a friend of his, and forwarded it to me because he knew I would appreciate reading it as well. I did and do. And I think it important. I hope he doesn't mind me sharing it, though I will keep him anonymous unless he chooses to reveal himself. It is lengthy, but it is insightful and I suggest taking a moment to read the whole piece. Thanks E for sending this along to me.

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But, somewhere along the way, something changed for me. I've had many friends ask me why I quit, and I usually start the story at the end. I usually start by saying, I still shoot (usually with a holga), but I don't put film in my camera anymore. This usually leads to some very puzzled expressions and I have to back up and tell the story from the beginning. Really, I often carry a camera and wander the streets of Portland like I have for the past few years. But, I don't want to see the results of my shots. What I want, is to see the world. My camera changes the way I do that.

When I was 16, I went to Greece for a three week school trip. I brought my camera and, after shooting some pics at the Parthenon, and on Santorini, I started to realize that I was missing the experience of seeing the places I was visiting because I was so focused on trying to save an image to look at later. I put my camera down and didn't take a single shot of the last two weeks of the trip. Or, the next ten years of my life. I just soaked in the scenes and tried my best to live in the moment.

That changed the way I thought about photography and, for the next 14 years, I never owned a camera. I spent almost a decade immersed in wilderness and outdoor activity, climbing and backpacking in Mexico and throughout the western United States, and I have only a few snapshots, given to me by friends, to record any of the experiences. My move to Portland was a dramatic lifestyle adjustment as well. I decided to see how green the grass really is on the more urban side. I rarely backpack anymore (as my photo stream attests) and I gave up rock climbing completely.

But I've always loved photography. I love it for the art. I love the moods, the way Steven Shore can capture a series of lines and patterns in what superficially appears to be a mundane scene and launches the viewer into a different mental space... Ed Weston, transforming a bell pepper or a thigh into a tonal voyage.... and the incredible work of the people I admire so much on Flickr, each image, an experiment, and each photo stream, a progressive map and tale of discovery. I'm sounding melodramatic again. But, these pictures really have changed the way I view the world. And so I wanted in. I started sharing too.

And I started wandering the streets of Portland, looking with fresh eyes at cracks in the sidewalk, streaks on a wall, buildings and, best of all, people. I saw light, lines, and structures in a way that I hadn't previously seen them. Unlike my days in Greece, trying to capture a snapshot for posterity and thus pulling myself away from a moment, this new way of using the camera had the opposite effect. Now, I was being pulled in. And I started to examine the constantly evolving scenes of my daily walk to work with new appreciation. It's hard not to keep sounding melodramatic. But it's true.

We've never met. At least not face-to-face. And I have no idea if we'd even be friends if we lived a few blocks apart (but I suspect we would). But in your photostream, I found such tremendous inspiration because you constantly capture the things I'm talking about. And, as I aimed my lens at the sidewalk and buildings of Portland, it not only changed the way I would see my own town, through Flickr, it changed the way I would see the world. I had a blurred pigeon, flying past a column, as my desktop background for a year. Because that pigeon was such an awesome example of something I would encounter every day, but would never have thought to capture the art of it like you did. So, on Flickr I found inspiration and a wealth of new art.

Until it became too much. And something changed. At first I liked the attention. No, not just at first, I still like it. When an image hits the explore page, or when I get mail from someone who requests to use an image in a publication, or someone leaves a sincerely flattering comment, or a zillion of them, I like it. And I like to reciprocate. I like being able to tell someone how truly inspirational they are. But the attention doesn't have anything to do with the cracks in the sidewalk. Once again, my reasons for taking pictures started to shift. I wasn't taking snapshots to put in a photo album like I was in Greece when I quit shooting. I was still trying to capture something artistic, and I was still experiencing the moment of the shoot. But the attention of a Flickr page vied for my energy as much as, and sometimes more than, the shoot itself. I started to feel an obligation to produce something. This has an upside, it kept me shooting. But it has a downside as well. If my images didnt get attention I'd get bummed out. And I started to think about "my audience" more. I started to cater my shots to the Flickr folks who were looking at my stream. Steadily my number of contacts grew. I couldn't keep up (which I'm sure you are familiar with) and then, the final straw, was when I realized that I wasn't shooting cracks in the sidewalk anymore. As I was shooting, I was thinking about what might attract attention. My post process became less about my own ideas and visions, and more about trying to speak to an audience that I was rapidly realizing I didn't know. I feel like, on some level, I know you. I know Dan. I know Angie, and Noicework (Allison), and Zeb, and Sati. But I don't know most of the 200-something people on my contact list. But I want to. And so it all spiraled until one day, I took the film out of my holga. I can't say that I don't care about the attention a photographer on Flickr receives. But I can say that it isn't why I started taking pictures again.

So, it wasn't a conscious decision to stop posting images. It was a gradual realization that I actually felt more inspired when I didn't have film in my camera. I don't need the snapshot. I want to see a moment. My camera helps transform the way I do that so I will keep playing with my camera. And, I might start posting images again. I really do love the comments, the feedback, the sharing. But I don't want that to be my reason for shooting pictures.

Anyway, this got long. I've felt like explaining myself for a while now. I still love to quietly surf the pages of Flickr. I love spending hours in the photography section of Powell's Books. And I still love to stop to think about the lighting on the buildings as I walk to work. I'll keep shooting. And on occasion, I'll keep posting. And I hope that people will keep looking. I know I will. 

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thespeak  Pro User  says:

Thanks Zeb! Anonymity is appreciated, but not necessary. It was great to see you again! (edit: I had to come out of my "silent surfing" to say thanks on this one.)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Jared Kruger says:

I needed (and still need) that perspective. Thank you, the both of you.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Kent Mercurio  Pro User  says:

Great read and photo. Thanks for always sharing.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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j_to_the_wall says:

Wow, that really got me thinking...thanks for posting it.

p.s. Love the title!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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yellowplease says:

These words really sunk deep with me, Not so long ago i found myself is the same situation to a lesser degree, i was shooting to please and audience (mainly on Deviantart.com) rather then shooting for own pleasure, my own feeling of accomplishment, i stopped telling a story and started stating a fact. I feel that the only time i feel free of some sort of obligation is when i have just finished a roll of film and are yet to load another. I sit there in my room with the lights on, framing things, focus where i want, on what i want, and just imaging what could be. there is no obligation to please or impress.
Maybe im crazy or maybe i just like the feeling of non-committal.

i feel you.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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m/a/z/e & Molliwogg  Pro User  says:

Safeway!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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the_wolf_brigade says:

Hmm. I liked reading this, though I'll need a while to process it.

Flickr really makes it easy to get caught up in the hype.

One thing I really struggle with is contacts. I generally only add people who I feel are going to inspire me, and I literally go through my contacts feed every single night, making comments on the ones that attract me. I've gotten to know people through continual commenting, and this has developed into friendship.

But. At the moment it is taking me a long time to do the above, with it not being uncommon to have 6 pages of photos to browse through. I like doing it, but it's getting more and more difficult as my contact list grows.

At what point does it become just a look at me exercise? I don't have the answer to that yet, but maybe it's in the above post. Once I've had time to dwell on it a bit, I might be closer to the truth.

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Seen in my contacts' photos. (?)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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djsoren  Pro User  says:

Incredible portrait!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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RaisingSuperheroes  Pro User  says:

I read this last night before bed and it really struck a cord with me. I totally get it... and I wrote a great response before my computer crapped out on me and i went to bed.
Sorry my response today just won't be as long.

as always you and those around you inspire!!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

twinlotus2008(read my profile) [deleted] says:

A remarkable picture, and I too loved reading the musings. I just started on Flickr (and photography). But, my mind and eyes have been processing for decades.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Judy and Paul  Pro User  says:

What a perfect image to accompany the insightful musings of your friend.
Judy
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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sk8ell  Pro User  says:

Beautiful words accompanying a beautifully silky photo (and that's saying something from someone who's terrified of clowns!). Thank you both.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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shetha  Pro User  says:

Thanks. I'm sure I've run into thespeak before (developing film?) even though I've only been shooting in portland for a short time. It's an interesting community, here in flickr land and also pdxflickrland. I decided long ago not to get wrapped up in the responses. It's flattering but what's important is the enjoying.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Noël Zia Lee  Pro User  says:

Thanks to both of you for this inspiration! It certainly sparked me to examine my own artistic motivations. And I can really relate to being overwhelmed, almost oppressed, by flickr "obligations." I built up a large list of contacts in my first year here. Recently, I went through the list and eliminated all but the 20 who were the most important to me. That made a big difference for me! (Zeb and Wendi both remain on my list.)

PS That clown is SCARY!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Kirpernicus  Pro User  says:

Very cool shot, love the dof. I will have to read your caption later, while I'm not at work!

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Eye Candy!, and we'd love to have this added to the group!

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Seen in my contacts' photos. (?)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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EmyyDaniel  Pro User  says:

Hola, soy el administrador de un grupo llamado FOTO EXPRESIVA y nos encantaría agregar esto al grupo.

Tu foto es impresionante y expresiva
You are invited to add this great image to Foto Expresiva
. It´s so beautyfull!!!!!!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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JeckyllnHyde says:

Zeb, you've got an ability to add text to your images that at times makes me forget about the image that it is attached to. That is not a negative reflection on the image by any means, but it is simply a reflection of that fact that the words make me think.

Thank you.

Both.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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noicework  Pro User  says:

Zeb, we haven't met per se, but I admire from a distance and love the principle of what you do. And I love that you posted E's words here. He and I had a similar discussion recently, and I've had a similar struggle since arriving at Flickr. I've been overwhelmed by chaos and distraction for months now, and while I regretted my own absence from this site, I found I too needed the distance.

I wholly admire E's work, and attribute his influence and energy to much of my own inspiration. So even more I treasure that we can share this love and frustration, and hope that we can each continue to be inspired by this love of the photograph.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jasontheaker  Pro User  says:

Wow thought provoking (o:
Yep I can agree with a lot of what is said here. But, taking part with the ‘respected’ peers is better than not doing so.

I feel photography, as an art form tends to be about emotion in the photographer and viewer. Yes you will get lots of “cool”, “love it”, “great shot” comments but isn’t the key having such interesting contacts that you mould and develop yourself around inspirational people?

Anyway Zeb and thespeak, cheers… I say cut your contacts down and keep thinking..
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Andy McCabe  Pro User  says:

Ok, nice story and all, really. But is no one going to comment on the scary clown? Yikes.
Do we all really float down there?
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Zeb Andrews  Pro User  says:

Haha, I was wondering when somebody would get to this Andy. Tim Curry as Pennywise scarred and influenced my childhood perceptions of clowns for years.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Az Ron says:

Clown Fear? The dreaded Coulrophobia rears it's ugly head once again!
Imagine What Your Life Would Be Like Without It...if one only could.

Seriously, this is a very good photo - great detail & depth.
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Chris28mm  Pro User  says:

This shot embodies everything I feel about clowns. Which is why I really dig this image.
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Darren White Photography  Pro User  says:

Um, this image scares the hell out of me...I don't like the look on his face and if my pictures from sunset do not finish downloading soon, I am going to bed.......

I do love the black and white and feel it makes it more scary!!!!!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Nikko Myers  Pro User  says:

Brilliant!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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buckaroo kid  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called My So-Called Life, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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guttersniper  Pro User  says:

I just *faved* this shot (it's amazing) as well as the text of thespeak's email because it articulates so eloquently the ambivalence I have been experiencing myself here on Flickr. I was led here by Lady Vervaine's recent 4-part "story", never dreaming it was a narrative of a Flickr contact here in Portland. Thespeak has been on my own contacts list for weeks. Now that I have read both the story and the email, I have even greater respect for all photographers involved, and just want to say thank you.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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lawatt  Pro User  says:

such a familiar conundrum, reading thespeak's email (i similarly got here from lady verlaine's story) -- i've never taken the step of leaving Flickr completely, but i feel that tension of "creating what Flickr likes" vs. what *I* like all the time... greatly appreciate your posting the email here.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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lowrevolution  Pro User  says:

fascinating to read...and i'm sure it resonates with so many people. i've started (and finished) two blogs and i stutter along with flickr. it just gets too much sometimes and you get obsessed with the feedback you get. thanks for posting this.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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kevindooley  Pro User  says:

what a great image, text, and discussion.

i don't agree that photography necessarily closes one to experience the surroundings. i think if you're creative and always looking for something unique, it forces seeing things from many angles. in a walk in the park where i might have typically spent ten minutes, now i take 2 hours.

i do agree that flickr obligations can be overwhelming. that's the nature of social networks like this, it's a big economy of social capital.

i have been flickr active for 1 year and i have built up a large contact list. i know the reason my photos get into explore and others of my contacts dont is simply because i am more active with my contacts. i believe that i have learned a tremendous amount from having a large contact list--both what they react (or dont) to, and their own work. i have seen people stagnate and people dive and people surge in their art--it's a big part of the excitement of having contacts over time.

that said, there's probably a limit to how much one can learn from a large network, and paring down to a smaller network makes a lot of sense from all angles

btw i found this foto in a search for "ed weston"... i have found it useful to spend time studying the "great" photographers, there is so much to learn and be inspired by...
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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Oropel says:

It's a double edge sword this network. I have the same feeling of stopping often and I consciously try to deprogram myself (when I can) before taking a shot but it doesn't always work out. I sometimes decide to leave the camera home and not leave it to the techné of photography to contour my memory/fantasy. Photography is a language and like any other language it has its limits, it is not without fiction being. As long as you are aware of that, I think you can step into a photography that respectfully betrays its own language and legislation to say more than would normally be possible.

I learn from all of you. And I like feeling bewildered by all I see here. I know I will never stop learning when it comes to shooting and that comforts me. But the true pedagogical element for me comes when you (as subjective as you might be) see/feel/think something that you might not have otherwise experienced; maybe when we look at a picture like when we read a text, you become that writer, that photographer, and while you have all the time in the world to feel alone, this kind of experience commits you to a seamelessness of spectators, operators and spectrums, that go beyond the limits of our memories and/or fantasies; we are thrown off. To me that's pretty cool. Thank you all for posting and keep doing so (as long as you don't betray your own life experience). Specially to thespeak, Zeb, and Lady Vervaine for articulating something I felt for a while but couldn't put into words (somewhat) until now).

see you around
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Epiclectic  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Just Freakin Clowns, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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erman79 says:

bellissima e inquietante! complimenti!
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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oerendhard1  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Just one more quarter, pleeeeeze !, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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AlexEdg  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Black and White [AllEdges], and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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emma.lee' says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called The Treasure Shed, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

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Andy Truong says:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Zeb. I got to know your story via a friend in a photography forum. I have been through the time when I just got my first DSLR to 'fire' many shots at various objects which I did not do so when I got my SLR Minolta X-700 many years ago. Now I come to the stage which I take less and feel more for the things I want to capture it in my frames. Love to see your next inspirations to be illustrated in your next roll of film loaded in your Holga.
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Cri.sty  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called CLICK!! Post 1 Award 1, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

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Not Jane Doe  Pro User  says:

"If you've got a quarter, I'll show you the world."
- I like the title as much as the freakish clown.
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agent j loves agent a  Pro User  says:

I have often wondered when I might hit the point where flickr and taking a camera everywhere becomes too much. I still find some restraint not to bust out the camera at every moment so that I may still enjoy the moment. However I do feel that sometimes I lost the shot for posterity. It's nice to know that through this post there is a future where even if one gets tired of it, one can come back with as much passion as before. Thanks to both of you for sharing.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

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MeFirstO ( hobbist everything ) says:

i love the story, it really sounds familiar. i guess this is the reason i quit digital for a film camera.
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paintboxexplosion  Pro User  says:

This is scary, but brilliant :-)
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scottkdc  Pro User  says:

great shot.
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Nở  Pro User  says:

i love ur letter , love ur mind , love the way u "use" ( or "play " haha ) ur camera - and the way u think for ur photos..
:)
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Kev Byrne 1971  Pro User  says:

Wonderful...lovely picture too...





Hi, I'm an admin for a group called I Leica You Like You Leica Me

This photo would Leica to be added to this wonderful pool!!

Please add it whenever you Leica to I Leica You Like You Leica Me group.


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Posted 3 months ago. ( permalink )

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AGrinberg  Pro User  says:

Great essay - speaks to me.
Took me long enough to find it. :)
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