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I'm just getting VLC on my Eee to try it on
this - I'm figuring the tiny screen will be a
nice playback target.
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eh ???
Talking of the BBC, I have only just seen
'Gavin and Stacey' thanks to last Saturday
and VHS........
Fantastic
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Huge respect. The Internets will always find
a way to route around faults. BBC DRM is a
fault.
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I had some success doing this with Safari 3.
If you have the Debug menu, one of the
choices for user agent is Mobile Safari 1.0;
doing that, you get the QuickTime logo on the
iPlayer page. I had a bit of a play with
Inspect Element and the Activity Viewer, but
I didn't get as far as downloading a movie-
Safari was having trouble responding,
possibly because it was trying to load the
whole movie.
On the streaming front, I should note that
on my iPod touch you can get true streaming;
the video starts more or less at once and you
can skip around within the programme without
having to wait for it to download.
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yes, all the desktop browsers (on Windows at
least) try to load the whole file before
playing. A very annoying state of affairs.
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would you mind posting the data you used in
the user agent switcher to claim to be an
iPhone? I've had that plugin for a while but
I can't find a reference for adding an iPhone
profile. Thanks
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Seems to block all IPs outside of the UK.
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technex, I used user agent
Mobile Safari 1.0
in both Safari (with Debug menu enabled)
and Firefox (with User Agent Switcher
installed) .
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These are the docs I used: paininthetech.com/2007/10/03/fake-iphone-user
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Apparently you should also be able to go to
about:config and set
'general.useragent.extra.firefox' to 'iPhone'
as well.
To confirm, yes, the iPhone version is
locked to UK-only.
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I'm using this with User Agent Switcher:
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3
(Just paste all that in to the "User
Agent" field - leave all the rest blank,
apart from the label "iPhone"
obviously)
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Hi there, I fixed my user agent, and have a
fixed "Q" quicktime icon on an
iplayer page. I open firebug and look under
the net tab, but can't see anything like a
stream URL to capture.
What does an example look like?
cheers
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Ah, found it another way without firebug. If
you use the web developer toolbar, addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60 and View Source -> view generated source
..the stream URL is just after param
name="href" in the source.
yay!
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Found some example Python code for extracting
the url for the MP4 from a show's page: pastebin.com/f167029a
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Crikey! I wasn't expecting to win the
interwebs with a little bit of investigative
hacking, but... wow. Thanks everybody for
coming by.
I did all this on my work PC, and didn't
take notes of what I was doing - I was just
stumbling over one thing, then the next. (If
I hadn't had a headache the size of the Mir
Space Station, I might have paid more
attention - and realised I was doing
something before most other people.) However,
I recall that the user agent info I used was
the same one listed by Gilgongo, which is
what I pulled from the page Pip links to
here.)
For background info, I used both Firefox
and Safari to do this, but reference Firefox
because I'm more interested in doing this on
Linux machines, something Safari is no good
at ;)
Thisdoesntlookverynice's tip for the web
developer toolbar is great - I'll be trying
this out later - but the idea of a dedicated
script is very appealing, so thanks Johnsto
for that link as well. I'm looking forward to
the first GreaseMonkey script that adds a
link to the iPlayer pages for you though!
Finally, it's worth noting, not everything
is up as MP4 video yet, hence the really dull
video that's being played on this screenshot.
It should've been Ashes to Ashes or something
=) And the toolbar visible on the left is
Flash because, as I said, I was at work.
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Works for me from NZ with the iPhone agent
change and changing my proxy to an anonymous
one in the UK. Slow but functional.
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Hey there, if you copy the link to the
"Open URL..." in VLC, as I see you
are using, you would be able to direct play
it.. now, what you could do is write a php
file to rip those urls and just copy and
paste into VLC, as of now, or write a web
player that takes the urls from the PHP file
and runs them in your browser.. just a
suggestion :3
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I've put together cURL with a bit of Ruby to
automate the process:
po-ru.com/diary/cracking-open-the-iplayer/
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I'm on my phone's browser now, so apologies
for this being brief - I'm relying on
predictive entry! I did originally copy and
paste the url into vlc, but it hung whilst it
was trying to allow the entire mp4 file to be
downloaded. Trust me on this, it didn't want
to stream! Pip tried another media player
with the same results. Maybe mplayer can be
convinced to do the right thing though.
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Hey buddy, thanks for sharing your discovery.
I'm a computer novice but I've followed the
steps and I'm almost there.
I've managed to download the mp4 file -
tried opening in Quicktime and got:
"error -2041: an invalid sample
description was found in the movie"
However it works in VLC.
Is there any way of transferring the file
to Itunes for Ipod Touch?
Thanks in advance
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Hi again, a little update. I have written out
the steps it takes using Firefox, the User
Agent switcher and I've added a bookmarklet
so you don't need web developer
toolbar/firebug anymore.
Works on my Mac too.
www.triffid.org/blog/2008/03/download-drm-fre
e-video-from...
davidmaclean86 is right about Quicktime
not being happy with the files, which is a
shame. I also tried to open them with the
awesome and free Mpeg streamclip www.squared5.com/ and that failed too. I suspect the BBC
created the files with mangled headers on
purpose to stop people making proper use of
them! VLC it is then.
Cheers!
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Can anyone suggest some UK-based proxy
servers that aren't _too_painfully slow?
Lots of us in the rest of the world, would
like to join the fun
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Done a bit more testing and discovered that
for the MP4 stream to work, you not only need
to identify yourself as an iPhone, but you
also need to have cookies enabled. It seems
the iPlayer website drops an authentication
cookie, so you can't just send the MP4 URL to
another device for playing - unless that
device has the same cookie. If the cookie
isn't there, it forwards you to an error
page.
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Probably the best way to go with all this is
to use Matthew Somerville's tool here: www.dracos.co.uk/play/bbc-iplayer-mp4/ - it extracts far more information than just
downloading the mp4 by hand or via any of the
existing scripts will give you
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Another rough script. Given the URL of a
programme page, it handles all the user-agent
forging, authentication cookies and downloads
the entire MP4.
pastebin.com/f7906a416
I'm hoping to beat this into the shape of
an XBMC script.
Update: slightly nicer script pastebin.com/f2eafe31b
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You can solve the playback problem in
Quicktime by using the VLC
streaming/transcoding wizard. Leave the
Video and Audio transcoding unchecked and
select MP4 as the Encapsulation format. Save
as either .mp4 or .3gp and you can now play
it using QuickTime - it worked for me anyway!
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Thanks for the help, but I've settled for
playing it in VLC.
I've encoded it for Ipod Touch use, and the
videos play fine if I sit and watch them
through on the Touch. But if I pause it for
too long or scroll along the timeline to a
later part of the show it crashes out to the
start menu.
Am I doing something wrong during the
encoding process in VLC or is it just a Touch
bug?
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davidmaclean86 , rd-short has it right...
you're not re-encoding the file with VLC,
rather this process simply changes the
container format.
Seems to me that the Touch should be able
to play a properly-formatted .mp4 file - the
question is, as you suggest, whether the
container is NG or the player has a quirk.
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johnsto: your pastebin script doesn't work
for me - it gets stuck on
"finally"... I'm on python 2.4, so
could that be the issue?
Would be so cool to have an xbox script
that scraped the iplayer site for all the mp4
URLs, then offered to download them.
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r4d0x: yeah, python 2.4 doesn't support
try,except,finally... so you'll have to just
remove the finally statement.
I've just about got a working XBMC script
that scrapes the last 7 day pages. It's a
horrific bit of frankencode, but seems to
just about work! A big issue though is that
the XBMC mplayer apparently doesn't support
cookies nor user-agent switching, so I can't
stream to it. Instead, my script downloads
the entire MP4 to the HDD, then gets XBMC to
play that.
Better than nothing though.
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hi Gilgongo,
In the Mac version of Firefox, the User
Agent Switcher has multiple fields:
Is this the correct way to paste in the
info you posted?
thanks,
HalibutRon
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hi folks,
I'm reasonably adept at such things, but I
cannot find a UK-based proxy server that
actually works. Lots of listings, lots of
errors trying to use them, either directly in
Firefox, or in OS X system preferences for
browsers such as Safari that don't have their
own proxy settings.
Again, I'd love to hear from anyone here
whether they have some UK proxy servers they
can suggest, that definitely work, and, one
hopes, are if not reasonably fast, at least
not dog-slow.
BTW this may prove useful to people
troubleshooting how their connection appears
to web servers:
proxys4all.com/env-checkers.shtml
These "ENV checkers" will report
back user agent, IP address, and other info
transmitted by your browser.
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Well here's a basic iPlayer XBMC script!
files.johnsto.co.uk/xbmc/xbmciplayer.zip
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johnsto - working for me on my xBox! I was
trying to make a yahoo Pipes widget to scrape
all the available programmes into an RSS
feed... But it was completely beyond me.
Seems to be working well... I'm sure this
can't last.... It seems too good to be true.
You should stick this script onto www.xbmcscripts.com
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r4d0x: I'll do that once I'm happier with it.
For the moment, I've moved to Google Code and
that's where all the latest versions lie. For
example, I've just added support for browsing
by channel :)
code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayer/
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@HalibutRon
I just pasted the entire string into the
"User Agent" field and left the
rest blank. I've just finished watching a
(nice quality 336MB MP4) documentary about
Bradford with an American narrator.
Fascinating.
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I just watched that Bradford documentary too,
downloaded to my XBox thanks to the first
version of the XBMC script above.
Thanks very much for the script!
I'll grab the latest version now.
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Obviously using a Proxy to access GeoIP BBC
content outside the UK can not be recommended
:(
But great work with the script John, I'm
checking it out on my xbmc now
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I can verify you can get unencrypted MP4s
which plays on VLC using an Apple Mac with
the following approach...
Install Firebug into your Firefox from
here...
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843
Download the JQuerify Bookmarklet from www.learningjquery.com/2006/12/jquerify-bookm
arklet
Visit the iplayer page and navigate to your
chosen show.
Click on your Jquerify bookmarklet.
Launch the Firebug Console.
Copy in the following text and click 'Run'
to retrieve the URL of the MP4 (if you didn't
click on Jquerify this won't work)...
$("#mip-flash-player
param[name='href']").attr('value');
With the URL retrieved, you can then use
wget (along with your Firefox cookie file) to
download the full thing offline for playback
within any player you want.
To do this, you need to invoke wget with a
user agent specification, and where your
firefox cookie file is.
The following worked for me (you will have
a different profile directory name in
Firefox).
You just need to change the show URL and
filename at the end of the command line for
each new show...
wget --load-cookies
/Users/cefn/Library/Application\
Support/Firefox/Profiles/wqnadnbq.default/coo
kies.txt -U "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU
like Mac OS X; en)" www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/iplayer_st
reaming_http... -O
~/Movies/bbc_iplayer_mp4/dragons_den_5.mp4
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Well, thanks everybody for turning this
little bit of investigation into a variety of
real, working scripts. There's not much I can
add to any conversations regarding these
because, despite being a programmer, I hang
up my programming hat at work to come home
and put on a dad hat instead. My chances to
hack code are virtually zero.
Regarding the Quicktime playback problem,
I've seen this before on other MP4 files. It
seems that not all MP4 files are made the
same, and whilst VLC does a handsome job of
playing pretty much anything that gets thrown
at it, Quicktime is far more choosy.
I'm not really fussed about this though,
because the reason I started trying to pull
things apart was because I was interested in
getting things to play on platforms that
Apple don't provide Quicktime for (and that
are badly serviced by Adobe is terms of Flash
support). So seeing this take off on XBMC is
awesome =)
When I'm back at work tomorrow I'll pull
something slightly more interesting down and
convert it to a format that will play on my
5G iPod, because now I can. When people were up in arms about the
DRM-laden disaster that the original Kontiki
implementation was, and idiots unable to see
the bigger picture mockingly demanded the BBC
support iPlayer on a Commodore 64, or a
toaster, or things like that, I knew that if a proper, real, open standard were
used then iPlayer would be an actual useful
service. It looks like it could finally
happen. I wish I had enough time and could
remember enough Z80 to put together a player
for the Spectrum...
And just to show Pip and I have been trying
this sort of thing for a while, here's from when Pip beat me to getting an
iPlayer .flv file downloaded and playing:
That was another Friday afternoon where we
were determined to not be Windows DRM
bitches!
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cefnhoile - that rocks.
I imagine you're in the UK?
I'm dyin' here folks . . .
my kingdom for a decent UK proxy server . .
.
: )
HalibutRon
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This is working great for me now. Many thanks
to the guys who posted the iPhone user agent
strings and to the javascript bookmarklet
here:http://www.triffid.org/blog/2008/03/down
load-drm-free-video-from-bbc.html
I'm pasting the url that this reveals
straight into free download manager and
getting nice fast downloads which play
perfectly in VLC.
The only thing I could hope for progress
wise would be not having to manually re-name
the files, but this is a trivial niggle.
Great work everyone!!
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HalibutRon, yes I'm in the UK.
Given that you can grab this stuff with
wget and a cookies file, I imagine you could
use a UK-based server farm with ssh access.
Personally I've used Penguin UK for years,
not because they're cheapest, but because of
their extremely sane policies over server
access, multiple domain configurations etc.
They are willing to provide SSH for even
their smallest account holders if you explain
that you are a sysadmin who wishes to manage
your server direct with unix tools.
www.penguin-uk.com/hosting_prices.html
My server cefn.com reports itself as...
87.117.227.50 UK UNITED KINGDOM
The half-hour files I've downloaded so far
are less than 250meg. That should give you an
idea of the storage you'll need to buy in the
hosting account if you want to access from a
UK IP address in this way.
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Hang on a tick, whomwah - do you know this to
be a fact because you're a BBC employee...?
=)
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Okay - here's my blog page on it all, and at
the bottom you'll find a bookmarklet, when
clicked on an iPlayer page, takes you to
dracos.co.uk, from where you can download the
MP4 - no messing with user agents or anything
else.
www.twindx.com/node/276
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Available on other portable media players
too!
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Fantastic! Congratulations are deserved by
the BBC for releasing iPlayer
Everywhere™ on Friday without realising
it...
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Judging from Ian Forrester's response, they
knew *exactly* what would happen.
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Someone requested a GreaseMonkey script?
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The BBC have now blocked this hack:
www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/13/iplayer_ipho
ne_drm_looph...
My scripts don't work anymore. Can't think
what they're doing though... can't be an IP
block or that'd stop iPhone users from using
wifi! Must be something sneaky... perhaps
they're using the 'referer' (sic) information
instead or a simple heuristic.
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Yeah, I got a heads up earlier. From a brief
investigation it looks like the referer info
is being used.
It's not a problem. It will be beaten
again. All it takes is someone with an iPhone
and a proxy being used by a wireless network
to show the coming-and-going data flow. Oh,
and look, there's an iPhone on my colleague's
desk...
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A Register commenter says it's being done via
JS. This file changed this morning:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/script/1.7/iplayer
_info.js
So maybe it's referrer and JS combined, if
not one or the other.
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A random number between 0 and 999999 is
appended to the end of the URL as a parameter
(ie. b009gfty?666):
generateRandNum : function() {
var num = Math.floor(Math.random() *
1000000);
return num;
gets called by these lines:
var url =
"/mediaselector/3/auth/iplayer_streaming
_http_mp4/" + availableStreams[0].pid +
"?" + this.generateRandNum();
and
HTML.push('<param name="href"
value="http://'+iplayer.host+'/mediasele
ctor/3/auth/iplayer_streaming_http_mp4/' +
availableStreams[0].pid + '?'+
this.generateRandNum() + '">');
So... does anybody know any vulnerability
in the way that Javascript on the iPhone
generates random numbers? Well, there's the
fact that the Dashboard on the Mac returns
the same sequence of "random"
numbers each time:
tacowidgets.com/galen/archives/20
Given the shared code base, and the fact I
found a far more recent blog post about it,
there's your answer: the BBC's new protection
system is based around a bug in Safari's
Javascript engine.
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There's a post on the backstage list that
suggests they're now saving a 'BBC-UID' key
in the cookie which contains a hash of the
Quicktime version and OS identifier.
Potentially a challenge-response type of
check.
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I'll investigate that later!
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Yeah, that was me pointing that out. Sending
the same cookie that your browser would if it
was an iPhone doesn't seem to work. I think
Quicktime sends its own headers.
A packet trace from an iPhone would solve
the whole thing I think...
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I've got round their 'fix' again ... for now!
po-ru.com/diary/bbc-iplayer-fix-hacked-again/
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Yeah, ditto strawp.net/files/iplayer_dl.zip
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Heh, yours is almost identical to mine,
except in Ruby. It's a bit nicer too :P
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You gents are both remarkably wonderful - I
can't wait to see what the Beeb's next move
is.
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The thing is - it's still authenticating
based on the HTTP headers. If an MP4 over
HTTP stream exists it's going to be used.
I still have no idea why the iPhone is
allowed DRM free downloads and not everyone
else. This directly goes against their
charter by actively giving preference over
one vendor and it completely contradicts
their claims of being "platform
agnostic".
They'll either can it entirely or just
leave it like this. Which one they chose
depends on what their content providers say
about all this, I imagine.
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Nice ones guys. I thought it was going to be
a javascript test but even then it would have
been cracked wide open by the end of the day.
I think they are fighting a losing battle.
I can't think of any way that I would be able
to lock it down to iphone only and if it was
simple to do such things we would have DRM in
the first place.
Unless they can get DRM from Apple they are
stuffed...hoho
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If they license FreePlay from Apple, I can
imagine the board of governors will be leaned
on - why are the BBC licensing two DRM
systems at great cost to the taxpayer -
sorry, licence payer?
As strawp says - they're effectively
creating an artificial divide. It's like DVD
regions - they're used just to treat bunches
of people in different places with different
amounts of favour.
What's next? They could ditch the iPhone
plans (PR disaster), try and lock down the
iPhone service by relying on more quirks
(throwing money in a fire), create some sort
of app for the iPhone (will get
packet-sniffed), or this:
Open it up. 480x272 MPEG4 files aren't
going to impact on DVD sales any more than
recording episodes off the telly. Go back to
various rights holders, hold up their hands
and say, "Look. DRM doesn't work. It
will never work. Treat people as adults and
they will behave like adults. Everything
we're offering is already out there on
torrent sites that we can't control, let's
give people a decent service that can compare
but keeps them away from the shadier
stuff."
It takes that leap of faith; to realise
that not everyone is out to pirate
everything, to stop thinking of everyone as a
criminal by default. Just treat us as
grown-ups so we don't have to leap through
hoops to get what we deserve.
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Its going to be interesting to see their next
step.
They really didn't think about this at
all...other than the PR it would generate to
launch it on the jebus phone.
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strawp said "I still have no idea why
the iPhone is allowed DRM free downloads and
not everyone else"
Mobile Safari can't download a file, or
save it to a cache, so despite the fact that
it's served what (to a computer) is a file,
on the iPhone (and iPod touch) it is
effectively a stream. Not that this
disctinction really holds once you start
pretending to be an iPhone, which is where we
came in.
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"They could ditch the iPhone plans (PR
disaster)"
Frankly, given some of the abusive
response, if this was a personal project,
this is what I'd do.
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How can you use the iPlayer service outside
the UK? PM me pls! thx.
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You can't, not legally at any rate. Illegally
you could use a UK proxy.
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strawp, i'm trying your script on a win2003
box and it gets to the download but then
stops at 0 bytes. can you help? the output
is:
iplayer_dl Copyright (C) 2008 Iain Wallace
iain@strawp.net
This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO
WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome
to redistribute it
under the GPLv3 license.
Usage:
iplayer_dl
Setting cookie to
BBC-UID=b4978dce2285826d89d198d2e0b0f314ca243
4e510b0f104547fb8
d1cf0b76450Mozilla%2f5%2e0%20%28iPhone%3b%2
0U%3b%20CPU%20like%20Mac%20OS%20X%3b%
20en%29%20AppleWebKit%2f420%2e1%20%28KHTML%
2c%20like%20Gecko%29%20Version%2f3%2e
0%20Mobile%2f4A93%20Safari%2f419%2e3;
expires=Fri, 16-Mar-12 08:00:45 GMT; path=
/; domain=bbc.co.uk;
Getting meta data from www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/metafiles/episode/b009h
q38.x
ml...
Setting PID as b009hq2l, based on versions
available
title: Six Nations Rugby: 2008
subtitle: Wales v France
Six_Nations_Rugby_2008_-_Wales_v_France.mov
Getting: www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/iplayer_st
reaming_http...
09hq2l?344178
Done. Downloaded 0 bytes
thanks in advance
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Hi Walesfan (congrats),
I've updated the script but I don't think
that programme is available in iPhone format.
Everyone: I've created a wiki for this
stuff. There's too many threads to track
people's discoveries and bug fixes:
beebhack.bluwiki.com
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Thanks strawp. What a game!
:-)
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They have now screwed with the file format.
You can download but it doesn't seem to play.
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Yeah. The first 0x2800 bytes are fine, and
then they're XORed by 0x53 and 0x3C
thereafter, except for the last 0x400 bytes;
and the last two XORed bytes are out of
sequence.
Somebody sat down and came up with that. I'd
love to know how the iPhone knows what to do
with it.
BTW, the up-to-date Beebhack wiki is here: beebhack.wikia.com/
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