Controversial feminism

Part of a sheet that said "JOIN REAL SOCIETY: TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECT. MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL."
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Here's a photo of that sheet -- before it was torn away - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobanblack/3211592108/

In a bus shelter at the local university --
remnants of a sheet of paper that said: "JOIN REAL SOCIETY: TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECT. MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL."

Below that other photo I commented on that message about "REAL SOCIETY."

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Obviously that message was too controversial.

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(I think that the caution tape happens fits with the conflict here, but it's only coincidental that the tape was there.)

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Another flyer with an anti-rape message was taped up nearby.

Then that anti-rape flyer was modified to read "real men do rape" --
words that can be interpreted as either a pro-rape message, or an anti-men message.

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I have posted about that scene and the Flickr comments below here -
"Inter-sex and inter-gender solidarity ?"

In that post I have linked to four other posts (at other blogs)
about those flyer scraps.

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Chris Schneider Photos says:

The caution tape in the background makes for a great juxtaposition.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Zingaro. I am a gipsy too. says:

Il y a une guerre entre le deux sexes?
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

'Is it a war between the two sexes'? --
is that basically what you're asking, Zingaro?

(My French is weak, but I do want to strengthen it.)
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Zingaro. I am a gipsy too. says:

Yes,,,'Is it a war between the two sexes'? --
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

I expect that a woman posted the flyer, and I expect that a man tore it down, but I think that gender issues -- as opposed to sexual differences -- were much more important in that conflict.

Basically I think that the conflict is a matter of anti-feminist patriarchy, on the one hand, and feminist opposition to patriarchy, on the other hand. Divisions between men, women, and other sexes are part of that conflict, but I think that socially constructed gender is the main issue here -- and in other conflicts between feminists and anti-feminists.

Here's a written piece in which I've tried to convey some of my own position on gender and sex divisions -
"Remaking gender – Beyond women’s lives"
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

Before I blocked their account (thereby automatically deleting their comments here), "hujo9001" wrote -

> If feminists really believed men and women were equal it would
> read, "treat people with respect" The vandal has a good grip on
> what's equality and what's sexist bullshit.

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Are you saying that women receive at least as much respect as men already (overall)?

And do you know what the vandal actually thought about the poster?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

Before I blocked their account (thereby automatically deleting their comments here), "hujo9001" wrote -

> "I am saying people deserve respect, you are implying women
> deserve more respect than men. I am for equality you are a feminist."

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What do you mean by "equality"?

I basically asked you about whether you think there is equality in the world today. If women receive less respect, there is inequality, isn't there?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

That anonymous "hujo9001" person posted another comment about all of the harm that feminists supposedly are doing while all of these feminists supposedly condemn men in general. The second question in my comment basically was ignored -- just as questions in my previous comment were ignored. I don't have time to read, let alone respond to, this right-wing silliness.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

Before I blocked their account (thereby automatically deleting their comments here), "hujo9001" wrote -

> "Yet another tactic besides scapegoats censorship and lies is to
> write off every anti-feminist as right wing, which i am not. You're
> scared to research."

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I have not made generalizations about "every anti-feminist."

Some of the people you are objecting to aren't even feminists as far as I'm concerned. There are women who just make offhand remarks about how "men are pigs," and some women say how they "hate men," -- or something else along those lines. To lump statements like that in with feminism would be very unfair to feminists.

As for the extent to which you are right-wing, I'm not interested. My comments have basically been responses to the words you have posted here.

You pretend to know me when you say that I'm "scared to research," -- which is very off-base. I'm a Phd student, and I read a lot of non-academic writing. I also am not dogmatically attached to any established forms of feminism, which is why I initially responded to your comments.
(above and here - www.flickr.com/photos/tobanblack/3216214895/c omment721576... )

Besides, the example of 'research' you end up giving is a shoddy National Post article
www.flickr.com/photos/tobanblack/3216214895/c omment721576...
that falls to pieces as any thought or discussion is given to what the author says.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

Before I blocked their account (thereby automatically deleting their comments here), "hujo9001" wrote -

> "You have me wrong, the feminists i am concerned with are not
> the misandrists that you describe, they are are feminists like
> Canada's liberal party leader, the ones who constantly reinforce
> these lies and have the power to turn biased hatred into policy...
> Knowing the difference between bitter women and feminists in
> power does not make me right wing. Being an aspiring phd i
> would assume you're capable of finding the source statistics
> referenced in the article on your own. I'll give you a start, Stats can.

> Censorship is always an act of fear."

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You do realize that there is a huge difference between state politician rhetoric and state politician policy, don't you?

I challenge you to provide evidence that anyone in the Liberal Party is trying to pass anti- domestic violence policies.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

As for what you're saying about "censorship" -
there always will be standards brought to bear on what is and isn't published
Some censorship is inevitable; but we can select certain forms and degrees of censorship (e.g. for the sake of legibility -- rather than just publishing scribbles).

By the way -
If you support open publishing so much, why are you holding back details about who you are?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Toban Black says:

"hujo9001" posted another comment that I've deleted. I can't be bothered to summarize it.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

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