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Miami Police by Thomas Hawk.
Update #2: The journalist in this case is named Carlos Miller. You can read an update on this case including more of his account here: thomashawk.com/2007/02/carlos-miller-arrested-for-crime-o...

Update: I have been in contact with a friend of the person arrested (RaginginMiami) in this case. I just left RaginginMiami a voicemail and will publish more details on this after I speak with him. In addition I have been in contact with the Miami Police and have a person in their department working to get me the police report on this incident. Once I have that report I will share more details.

Andrew Ferguson pointed me to a very troubling post today. I'm trying to research the story more, but here's what I've got so far.

A photojournalist who goes by the name RaginginMiami was on assignment shooting Biscayne Blvd in Miami and was shooting a police action from a public street. The police asked him not to photograph them and he continued, resulting in a forceful arrest and his being charged with multiple infractions over the incident. He ended up spending 16 hours in a Miami Dade jail.

From his account:

"One of the cops told me to keep walking because this was a "private matter".
I said that I will not keep walking because this is a "public street".
Within seconds, the five officer left the first man alone and came after me. One cop escorted me across the road. As I stood on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the road, the cops began surrounding me, which was when I shot several more shots.

That was when they slammed me against the pavement even though I offered no resistance, causing a deep abrasion on my right knee. One officer grabbed me by the back of the head and repeatedly bashed my forehead against the sidewalk, causing abrasions and swelling to the right side of my forehead.

Another officer grabbed my right hand and bent it backwards in a 90 degree angle, causing me to scream out in pain and continuing to do so even after the handcuffs were placed on me. As I verbally protested, one officer threatened me with a taser gun if I did not stop talking.

The officers charged me with five counts of disobeying a police, one count of obstructing justice, one count of obstructing traffic, one count of disorderly conduct and one count of resisting arrest without violence."

The photo above is one that RaginginMiami says is of the cops who abused him.

When I hear things like this it makes my blood boil. All photographers have absolute rights to photograph the police. This is an important right. It is a check and a balance against police abuse and brutality. Without this right things like the Rodney King incident and others might never be recorded.

Apparently the abused journalist has contacted the ACLU and is working to fight back this week.

I'm trying to make contact with the journalist and will report more of the details on this as I learn them. I hope that these cops pay dearly for their decision to use force on someone for exercising their First Amendment rights.

A few years ago Flickr photographers Aqui-Ali, Ropeboy, Ranjit and myself were stopped by the Alameda Sheriff's department. They ran our IDs for background checks for doing nothing but taking photos. The Alameda cop asked me not to take his photo but I took it anyways when he wasn't looking. 
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01101001 01100001 01101110  Pro User  says:

Its the same in the UK
Cops
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shawnwall  Pro User  says:

dirty police, dirty country. the u.s. is a fucking joke anymore.
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Dshalock® the Libertarian Emperor of America  Pro User  says:

I would like to point out there is a fine line between photographing police on the street and interfering with them being able to perform their duties. I would like to hear the other side of the story before I pass any judgment.
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btobin  Pro User  says:

do they just not know the law or something?
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log (Mirko)  Pro User  says:

If what has been told is true and the photographer was on the other side of the road just taking photos this is a brutal situation and I hope these violent-hungry animals get what they deserve. Treating a man like this with no reason, they should at least get fired.
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*steve_gobeil*  Pro User  says:

When I say this I am quite serious.

I spent a number of years working with people like these.

Many of them are just dumb bullies lacking any smarts except for their gun and cuffs.

I often feel that we would be better off if we set much higher standards and paid them a living wage instead of hiring the cheapest.

I hope they hang.
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SF buckaroo  Pro User  says:

i have been harassed by cops in SF while I take their photo from the street as they do an arrest. couple of times.

I always say "you should be proud of what you do" and "have you heard of rodney king?"
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ENIGMA ARCANA  Pro User  says:

If the facts of the story are true, at least racism within the Police Dept. doesn't seem to be an issue, they look to me to be one big happy multiculti family of thugs
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J. Star  Pro User  says:

oh for god's sake

:P
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coolmonfrere  Pro User  says:

That looks like true life, and for me it's unfortunately not an incredible story, although shocking. What I see and read in this page seems to be in accordance with the image I had via french media. I do hope real justice will be rendered to him and other people in the same situation otherwise we gonna loose the difference we have with non democratic countries.
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Jason McKim's Old Account says:

I hope to get this to take off on Digg
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Junior Diggs  Pro User  says:

Although I will say that the reaction of the police seems very harsh, a better response to "move on buddy this is a private matter" would have been "I am a press photographer here's my credentials, where should stand to get some shots?", instead of "I said that I will not keep walking because this is a "public street"." Thats kinda like poking a bear with a stick. It should be pretty obvious that if there were five of them standing around 1 guy, that walking up in the middle of them taking pictures would probably focus some attention on yourself. I would have to agree with Dshalock and wait for the otherside before passing judgement.
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Thomas Hawk  Pro User  says:

a better response to "move on buddy this is a private matter" would have been "I am a press photographer here's my credentials,

Junior Diggs, the point is that it's not only credentialed press who have the right to photograph the police. We all do. This is an important First Amendment right. Anyone has this right.

Even if "poked with a sharp stick," which is hardly what I'd consider happened here, the police are professionals and must act professionally at all time. Police enjoy a tremendous amount of individual power. But with that power comes responsibility to act legally. When that power is abused the punishment should be strong, public and harsh.

I'm sure more details will come out on this story in the days ahead. I've been in contact with a friend of the photographers and have an email out to the photographer and hope to add more details soon.
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Thomas Hawk  Pro User  says:

I hope to get this to take off on Digg

Thanks Jason.
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Junior Diggs  Pro User  says:

"When that power is abused the punishment should be strong, public and harsh." I agree. I am very curious to see the reports. I agree that everyone has the right to photograph the police. There are way too many variables which are unknown for me to make an objective opinion.
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CSC - Chistopher Scott  Pro User  says:

fuck! cops need something to make them feel powerful. rationality just doesn't register with them.

this story hurts in so many ways...
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Jon Wood says:

I really hate cops who think they have absolute power. I really hope the ACLU takes the case and gets those guys, at least, fired or maybe worse.
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TranceMist  Pro User  says:

The only difference between most cops and criminals is a badge and a pay check.
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Dshalock® the Libertarian Emperor of America  Pro User  says:

@TranceMist - That's a rather broad statement! I for one am grateful for the people who are willing to take on a job that does not pay well, requires you to interact with some of the most violent anti-social elements of society. Personally I would not want to be the person who has to pull a drunk driver over not knowing if the person has a weapon. Some of them step over the line simply because they are human too and if pushed they will react. You try putting yourself in a dangerous situation day after day dealing only with people who don't respect what you are doing!
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smoothdude  Pro User  says:

maybe the flash he used made him get his ass beat..he should have just bumped up the ISO and shot wide open

delete
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Willo  Pro User  says:

Of course I'm all for citizen's rights, but I too can see the stance Dshalock is taking on this. I cannot claim to have any clue as to what policeman have to deal with and most certainly wouldn't want to have to do the job myself. Obviously I have no idea of this situation's specifics, but I do think it's sad we have so much hate & doubt for them, when they're working all day to keep us safe.

It's right up there with blaming a motorist for hitting the pedestrian that ran out in front of their car suddenly. There are two sides to every story.
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prawnpie  Pro User  says:

@smoothdude - i agree, flash is the root of a lot of irritation in my life at concerts and such. i'm sure it's not soothing to the cops. would you be interfering with their job if you started pointing a laser pointer in their eyes?
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art_gun says:

We've heard it before and I'll say it again:

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

THE POLICE
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mfriedma_99 says:

I have a hard time taking seriously this kind of complaint from someone who calls himself "RagingInMiami".
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shmooth says:

cops are untouchable. best kind of terrorist to be, if you're into that kind of thing - never any retribution.
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Bob ♫ says:

While we are informed by your username, my advice to you is to start shopping for some of the nicest camera equipment you thought you couldn't afford, because with the right lawyer, you've got a windfall coming. I am not a fan of litigiousness, but since we're on one stereotype of the U.S., let's continue with another . . .
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Dshalock® the Libertarian Emperor of America  Pro User  says:

@Shmooth - yeah well I hope if you ever need a police officer to protect you they don't show up.
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salimfadhley  Pro User  says:

Can you confirm if the police in the picture above are the people who assaulted this photographer or is this just a generic cop-shot?
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Teemu R  Pro User  says:

Pretty weird acting from those officers. What they fear for? And dont they have any common sense left...? If they do their job correctly, every picture of their work is good for them, protecting against law suits etc misbehaviour. And this is their thanks?
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Oktobr  Pro User  says:

I don't understand the anti-police sentiment that seems to be showing in some people. The police are a good thing and most officers do their job well.

However, the public should be able to monitor and record the activities of the police as much as they can with anyone else. That is- photography should be permitted, but not to the point where it would be considered stalking with a civvy. The police should not have the freedom to invent laws on-the-fly.

My favourite charge laid against him was 'non-violent resisting arrest'. Protesting your innocence is, apparently, illegal.

Quid custodiet ipsos custodes?
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jcrackhorn says:

South Central Maidstone is known as a hotbed of Police violence. I know for certain that they target camera holding, duck feeding, Alfa drivers who spend too much time walking by the river.

Interesting story, only get to hear the half of it though, knowing the full circumstances is often useful before passing comment.
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01101001 01100001 01101110  Pro User  says:

jcrackhorn that will be Maidenhead.....funny
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josechambrot says:

BTW...thats not Miami Dade Police....thats City of Miami Police....not that there is any difference, lol.
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dziner  Pro User  says:

I was photographing a building from the street when I was approached by security guards and questioned. They wanted to know what I was taking pictures of and started giving me a hard time. Then they asked for my phone number and address which I gave to them for the simple fact that I didn't want to make a scene. I'm sure if I was reluctant to cooperate things would have turned out differently.
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jcrackhorn says:

Trouble in Maidenhead too hmmm, such activity must be common. Must have become a performance indicator.
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Oktobr  Pro User  says:

dziner, I'd either refuse point blank or give a fake version of both if I felt physically intimidated. Unless they're police they have no authority beyond their premises, and even then they have to work within certain limits.
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philbob10  Pro User  says:

Granted their reaction is probably out of line, but I won't make a claim either way by just hearing one person's account. If it was at night, and I had some cocky guy snapping photos mouth off at me and then take several flash shoots of me while I escorted him away from the issue already at hand, I would take his actions as an attack on my person.

Flash photography at night is a distraction and can be used as a weapon as well. It pisses me off to the point I would knock the guy out with or without a badge. Mouthing off and then taking the shots was an assault on the officers. Their reaction though from the account is violent, but like I said it is still only one side of the story.
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DeoxyribonucleicAcid  Pro User  says:

Welcome to AmeriKKKa.
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itchyshoes says:

I can't even believe there are people here arguing that this kind of action is justified - no matter how much it provoked the cops. The fact is you people live in a country that supposedly believes in the rule of law, and if this story is true - someone photographing police on public land - no laws were broken, ergo the police had no right to do what they (allegedly) did. It will be interesting to see where this case goes - if your legal system is even remotely functional still, those cops should be behind bars for assault and battery at the very least.
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payshunz says:

My dad is quite anti-authority. The 'nobody can tell me what to do or say' and 'I can do anything I want' mentality. I see a lot of that is the comments here. My father, unfortunately, never graduated high school, was a blue collar worker all his life, and is extremely 'local' - doesn't really know a lot about what's happening in the world.

With this in mind, and him being my father and all, I forgive him his faults (as I hope he forgives me mine).

So whats YOUR excuse, all the above cop-hating, authority-fearing, self-righteous hotheads who seem to be of the 'shoot first, learn the facts later' mentality?

I empathise with the police, as these days having a badge immediately makes YOU the criminal/bad guy, when in reality that type of 'bad cop' is undoubtedly in the minority. I'd rather, initially, give the police the benefit of the doubt, at least until I know enough about the matter to make a more informed decision.
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robncircus  Pro User  says:

I too have to hear the other side here. Their job is hard enough without some wise-ass photographer acting as a distraction. I also can't believe all the police haters here.... sort of makes me sick.
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jose292003 says:

Police should be shot on sight.Somebody with money should offer 200$
dollars for each dead fucking pig.
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lastchapterphoto says:

@robncircus

Wise ass photographer? He didn't even put up a fight.

Go figure on why most people here aren't too fond of the police

kthx.
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J. Star  Pro User  says:

Almost everything I've read on this thread makes me sick, except for the few voices of reason.

You cop haters truly have no fucking idea what it's like to be a cop. Generalizing a group of people based on the behavior of a few individuals is no better than racism. Ironic, given that so many here are claiming all cops are members of the KKK.

What a tremendous load of immature horseshit. Grow the fuck up. This is not about rights. This is about not being a fucking asshole.

In no profession is it so essential to never, ever make a mistake as it is in law enforcement. And yet the tremendous stress of the job renders it such that mistakes are inevitable. And so we get things like this, where cops make mistakes and suddenly the entire profession is vilified.

Do you ever think of how hard it is to be the first responder to an emergency call that a three-year-old is getting raped? How about having to deal with being spat at and called a motherfucking KKK cocksucker by some stupid, miraculously uninjured fuck who's decided it's cool to shoot up heroin and cause a five-car pileup on the highway in which two people get killed?



It blows my fucking mind how much people hate cops, and yet who's the first person they call when they feel threatened or need help? The cops.

Yeah.

Thomas, sorry to vent on your stream. I try to follow that whole "arguing on the Internet is like..." maxim, but this just enrages me.

J
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digitalvolume  Pro User  says:

Technically it is the law to "Obey all reasonable requests given by an officer of the law." This I believe is an enactment in all fifty states. That doesn't mean Mr. Ferguson should have stopped shooting, but perhaps taken a few steps away and kept shooting (as the officer's request to cease taking photos is an unreasonable and unlawful request).

Photographers have rights when it comes to taking pictures in public. This is done here in the States so as to protect our freedoms and report abuses of that same freedom.

Police today see an increase in violent crime directed towards them. It's not a small town world where everyone knows everyone else and can instantly assume someone they don't know is a kind and gentle soul. Expect to be met with harshness and criticism by any individual or group of officers when you are interrupting their work.

It's difficult for me to take just one side of a story. Without hearing the officer's side of things I won't be able to find the middle ground or judge if Mr. Ferguson is giving the story any kind of a 'twist'.
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MarisKeen says:

what exactly is the law with taking photos?
are we allowed to take them anywhere, as long as we aren't looking in thorough people's windows?
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jose292003 says:

Hey J.star,it's not making mistakes this pigs real fault,is not wanting to take responsability for their above the law behavior.
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alchemism  Pro User  says:

I witnessed firsthand the casual violence the NYPD employed upon bystander AND protestor alike during the Republican National Convention in New York.

I don't give doctors the benefit of the doubt. Paltry cops don't get it, either. Both have supreme authority over my life, so there is no room for doubt.

Learn some civic responsibility and don't just blindly obey the pack leader, you Sheep of Flickr....
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jose292003 says:

Well said alchemism!!!
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t500n4m1 says:

Unfortunately the police departments are nothing but gangs of good ol' boys. They justify their brutality with weak reasons, and they cover their incompetence. Last week I watched a cop cause a multi-car accident on a freeway (which I narrowly avoided.) I didn't stick around to find out who got the blame, but I'm willing to bet that one of the drivers involved in the accident will take the fall.
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jose292003 says:

They should just be shot on sight.
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N. A. Corbier says:

Several court cases have created a body of case law that so long as you are photographing police action in a public place (even if you are not in a public place, like your back yard), then you are not violating the law.

The term, "I may photograph or videotape anything my eye may see," comes to mind, which was taught to me by a high ranking Sheriff's deputy in Florida.
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bob_schulties says:

This happened to me in Pennington, NJ. I was in college taking a photo class and I had an assignment to make a night shot. I was out at 2am I think in front of a 7-11 and I made a few shots. I noticed there was a police car there and of course the cop came over, took my license, called it in and told me to move along. I told him I had a class assignment and I needed to be somewhere where there was some light. So he suggested I go to the, and I'm not making this up, the bank down the street.

Can you imagine? If I get questioned in front of 7-11, I'd be a corpse at the bank.
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duanemoodydotcom  Pro User  says:

when are people going to realize that you don't say no to a cop? If he would have kept walking and not "defied" the cops, he wouldn't have had any problems.

This is obviously not coming from a place of complacency with what the cops did. I don't agree with what they did, and I do think that many cops can be too violent without cause. BUT, when a cop tells me to do something, such as, don't take pictures, move along, you can believe that I will do it.
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SportsMH says:

i was filming a house fire one time in San Diego and as I was leaving I was pulled over by 4 cops, detained, and questioned. They said that people had been starting fires and then sending people out to film them. The camera is a dangerous tool.
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wrabbit26 says:

I would love to hear the other side of this story. If what this person says is true then I agree that the officers involved should be punished.

HOWEVER, in most cases like this the story was twisted to make everyone feel sorry for some person who was actaully obstructing the law in the name of freedom of the press and speech. I remember watching some courtroom live tv show on C-SPAN or one of those channels and a person was suing a police department over brutality. This person claimed to have been assaulted and had to get medical attention for cuts and bruises for simply being at the location the cops were at. Sadly enough it turned out he was lieing. There was a video camera shooting the entire event. The cops asked the person to step away from the bar he was at. It turns out the management called for help when the person became a problem. He refused to listen and actually took a swing at the cops. He continued to resist the inevitable arrest and was thrown to the ground. He did not have his head repeatedly hit against the ground. They simply dogpiled him and restrained him in the cuffs. At first I was upset and wanted to just believe him. He sounded pretty convincing in the court. The tape showed the rest of the story. The judge dropped the charges against the police officer and then suggested that the department sue the man for defamation of character.

I really wish all the times the cops do something good on tape it would get this much coverage. Sadly many people are afraid of "big brother" and don't like the idea that they are being governed by a powerful group of facists. News flash for all of you out there that believe this. We are the people and we make the laws. We vote people into office that we think will push the laws we want. Those laws are upheld by a bunch of men and women who are really underpaid for what they do. Without them you'd all really know what fear is.

I am so tired of hearing about how this country is going to $h!t. If you don't like it do something about it. There are numerous ways to legally fix what you think is broken. If all you are going to do is say it is broken then I will remind you that this is a free country. Feel free to move elsewhere to what you think is Utopia.
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foamhat says:

It's your duty as an american to defy corruption. The police telling me I can't take pictures is like the police telling me I can't eat pork on fridays. I can. There's no law that says I can't.

"BUT, when a cop tells me to do something ... you can believe that I will do it" Sounds like the mentality that will easily foster a country of citizen informants.

"In no profession is it so essential to never, ever make a mistake as it is in law enforcement. "
Really? What about working in a nuclear power-plant, or being a brain surgeon, or a sky-diving instructor... Police make 'mistakes' all the time and get away with it.

I'm sure you all have a memory of being pulled over, being guilty of some crime, and being let off for whatever reason. Being pulled over for speeding, and getting a 'warning', or just having your drugs 'confiscated' - well that's the police taking the law into their own hands.

If we finally started enforcing the law the way the law was meant to be enforced, we'd be forced to acknowledge how ridiculous so many of our laws are.

If everyone who smokes marijuana decided to go turn themselves in this week, we'd melt-down the system. We need to either enforce laws or not. No more grey area.
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kenviro says:

As a resident of Miami for most of my 38 years this is not surprising to me at all. Even before our current police chief (John Timoney, no stranger to claims of police brutality by his officers) the Miami Police Dept has slowly evolved from the "Officer Friendly" idea of police actually being there for "us", to the current model where if you engage a "peace" officer with any kind of query, you are immediately dismissed and very likely threatened with something that is entirely illegal and in direct opposition to our constitutional rights.

The idea that we have to endure this kind of treatment in order to somehow deserve their protection would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Our democracy will surely continue it's downward spiral if the people continue make excuses for these kinds of seemingly inconsequential infringements on our rights. People, we do have rights, and sometimes it's up to US to tell THEM what they are.

If anyone is interested in learning more about the new methodology being used against us, not criminals, but citizens, I recommend watching the documentary The Miami Model.

And one last thing ... if we all take the approach that duanecmoody is suggesting, then we really have lost the ability to provide any oversight or watchdog actions. They work for us, don't forget that. We are not criminals, we are citizens and deserve to be treated with respect.
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fungetronic says:

@wrabbit26

"I am so tired of hearing about how this country is going to $h!t. If you don't like it do something about it."

This is exactly why we have the freedom of the press. One of the ways to do something about "it" is to expose it, write about it, photograph it... The ability to monitor our government and it's agents is one of the most important tools we citizens have against the natural tendency of a government towards authoritarianism. Once we are no longer able to view and document what our government is doing, at all levels, we are in serious trouble.

And for those who are blindly defending the police: I assume you are middle-class, probably white, and have had very little actual experience with police. I've had plenty, luckily with very little of it begin on the "wrong" side. If you actually pay attention you see how much arrogance, aggression and discrimination is common to most police. As usual, it's even worse in groups, and the most aggressive of the bunch take over and set the tone for the whole group.

As you all point out the humanness and fallibility of the police, I hope you consider how dangerous it might be to give one fallible human complete authority over another. Yes police are necessary, but they need to understand that they are not above the law, and they need to be severely punished for violating someone like this. These officers should be fired and jailed.
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miamitrancedj says:

I must say that this does not suprise me. When I has 16 I had a similar incident. My friend throw a Wendys cup out of the car near two guys.. Long story short, they were two undercover cops. They got in their car, followed us, drew their guns at me, i paniced and drove away(in reverse) They surrounded me with like 8 other cop cars, threw me on the floor, hit me over the back of the head repeatedly, broke my freinds arm, and then charged me with aggrevated assult with a motor vehicle.... all that over a paper cup that did not even hit them....
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Dshalock® the Libertarian Emperor of America  Pro User  says:

All you who just blindly attack the police as all being arrogant power hungry monsters forget most are just working class citizens who just want to get through the shift alive and go home to their families! It's one of the hardest most unappreciated jobs in the world and no matter how well you do the job you're attacked and demonized. I love how you can stereotype an entire profession with such generalized statements. If I were make similar statements about a particular race of people I would be attacked (and rightly so).

@fungetronic - You deal with having some idiot snapping a flash in your face while you are trying to deal with a potentially dangerous criminal and see how you like it. I know when I am out in the dark I don't like having flashes going off in my face.
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kivafruit says:

They only told him to keep walking. They never said he can't take photos. Why did he dis-agree with 5 police officers. You don't want to rub them the wrong way. They are doing their job.

If you don't like the cops in US, go to the third world like in China, where they just put you in jail for dis-agreeing. In my opinion you can never dis-agree with them in that manner.
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Justin Berman Photography  Pro User  says:

miamitrancedj: Don't litter then!
Really, I am going to agree with the bunch of people here who have said that the whole story needs to be told first. Furthermore, you are a dumbass if you piss off the police during a high tension situation like an arrest. Cripes, social darwinism prevails!
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emptywebshooters says:

It's tough to feel sorry for this guy. He says "...I offered no resistance..." but he did offer verbal resistance by saying, "...I will not keep walking because this is a "public street"'. That's resistance. He had absolutely no business there other than to make trouble.

When a cop tells you to do something you put your ego aside for your own safety and you do it. He gambled and lost.

Sure there are a lot of corrupt cops out there but don't be so quick to judge them corrupt based on the one side of a story you read off the Internet. There are a lot of good cops out there putting their lives on the line every frig'n day. The corrupt ones are a very small percentage.
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Jeff Blaine  Pro User  says:

"""When a cop tells you to do something you put your ego aside for your own safety and you do it. He gambled and lost."""

Wow. Just wow.
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Jeff Blaine  Pro User  says:

"""You deal with having some idiot snapping a flash in your face while you are trying to deal with a potentially dangerous criminal and see how you like it. I know when I am out in the dark I don't like having flashes going off in my face."""

Then the statement is, "Sir, you need to step back 50 feet or turn off that flash."

Not, "This is a private matter." followed by man-handling.

Use some judgement from the CONTEXT of the story. These were not police who objected to his flash. They clearly did not want the person photographing, period.
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fungetronic says:

emptywebshooters: "He had absolutely no business there other than to make trouble."

Not true. He had whatever business there he wanted to. This is a free country and you can be on any public street you want to and take pictures of anything that your eye can see. This is an affirmed right.

jadefarseer: "you are a dumbass if you piss off the police during a high tension situation like an arrest"

Or maybe some would consider you a patriot, doing an often neglected duty of keeping an eye on those in power. The fact is that the police shouldn't be "pissed off" by someone taking pictures of them. They are public servants, they work for you and me. They have a great amount of power and need to be kept in check.

kivafruit: "You don't want to rub them the wrong way. They are doing their job."

It's not against the law to rub someone the wrong way, even a cop. Cops shouldn't even be upset by people watching or taking pictures, unless they're doing something wrong. It's like the pro-surveilence saying: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Except in this case the people trying to hide are public servants doing their job. Public servants should not normally be able to hide while doing their job because their job is _everyones_ business.

Dshalock the Libertarian: "You deal with having some idiot snapping a flash in your face while you are trying to deal with a potentially dangerous criminal and see how you like it. "

How dangerous was that criminal if they all left him to beat on this photographer? The man said he was 20 yards away, how's that in their face? And I don't care how annoying it may be, we need the right to photograph police.

You don't seem like much of a libertarian.

Some of you need to read up on your basic right and freedoms and understand exactly why it is that our founding fathers considered it so important to have them. Then, to turn an annoying conservative comeback around, if you don't like the freedoms you're supposed to have in America, go live somewhere else where you don't have those rights.

Jefferson said that given the choice between having a government without a free press and no government but with a free press, he'd choose the later. The ability to move freely, document what you see and hear, and report it, are some of the most important rights we have. Not to mention the right to not have the police use unreasonable force.
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howeird2003 says:

Perhaps the jerk should've obeyed the police and stopped taking photos. My folks told me to do whatever the police told me to do. Subsequently, I have not been arrested. D'oh!!!!!
Posted 34 months ago. ( permalink )

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hdusty1 says:

Anyone who thinks that this guy's version is the 100% factual version, without any bias is a moron.
Posted 34 months ago. ( permalink )

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Mutiny says:

I forsee a big ole settlement in this guy's future.
Posted 34 months ago. ( permalink )

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CateForgotten says:

This sort of thing really gets under my collar. I have a very high respect for cops....I am one class away from graduating with a degree in criminal justice. Still, being a photographer who has seen way to much of this 911 freedom of photographs crap going on I Need to say this much
EVERYONE - photographers and cops especially, need to know where the law stands on this. As a photographer, you need to know the difference between photographing something public and interferring with an investigation, you need to know where your rights are. Cops need to re-read the constitution and be aware of the rights of photographers. They need classes on dealing with people in professional and curtious ways.
Both sets need to be respectful to one another- sometimes a random person can see something useful, and sometimes cops are only doing their jobs.

I agree with steve_gobeil. We need to set the standards high and stop giving people who just want the power trip a badge. Higher pay, better training and personality tests are a must.
I am sure it would also help too, if they didnt have to deal with random assholes with cameras who are just as nasty as the people getting arrested.

(I am talking in general and trying to point out the problems on both sides)
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brancusi7  Pro User  says:

I don't feel qualified to comment on half a case either, but I did live for several years in a big dangerous building with a high percentage of criminals of all kinds. Whenever the cops turned up (an almost daily occurence) they had to dodge stuff thrown from above. The known bad guys immediately started yelling police brutality before the cops'd laid a hand on them. If my bad neighbours, who had no concern for my civil rights said cross the road I did, because I had kids I couldn't watch 24 hours a day. Incidentally, the ambulance and fire services sometimes also received abuse. Those cops weren't perfect either but I know who would've been running things if they weren't around.
Posted 34 months ago. ( permalink )

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john_jesseph says:

As I like to call them 1 part bully 9 parts hipocrite
Posted 34 months ago. ( permalink )

~btezra~ [deleted] says:

unbelievable account
I cannot comprehend this ever happening to me yet alone someone well w/in their rights to be documenting such an activity w/ their camera

unfuckingbelievable
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by V says:

this system is so corupted. Miami Beach and part of Dade is all about freak police , with a nasty attitude....they dont talk, they shout ,they have anger problems, and they all have selfesteem problem..or pefrabs they were abused as a kids..dont care what but Myself have meet an assholes servant of the so called law. And all they want is a money under the table..if they see someone with a nice car , sure will stop the person and will try to tax him nice.

In this case i would claim so much.And hide doctors to prove .i Would sue sue sue sue untill i get a nice amout of money.and also get that officers fired...

i had a neigbor who was a police officer..he used to drive the police car everywhere he wanted , and he had a loud latin music playing and he aways carry his 2 little chihuahua dogs. and all that with our tax money right..

where do i live? LATINVILLE
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by V says:

sorry hire , not hide..
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tylermhawkins  Pro User  says:

I wouldn't have guts to try this here in Edmonton, Canada. Police have recently done this and worse for much less. Give a tool of defense or torture, as the case may be, that leaves little evidence of abuse, such as a taser gun, to scared and undertrained officers and watch the number of people who "need" to be subdued skyrocket.

It's really scary.
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Brunocerous says:

the Miami police officers' behavior is PRECISELY why photographers (whether journalists or not) are protected under the first amendment. if they're doing nothing wrong, there's no reason for them to worry.

busted
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major deegan  Pro User  says:

cheesh, i got copiously yelled at by the miami beach police, and i quickly folded. i sure don't want to see the dade jail from the other side of the bars.

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pingnews.com  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Matters of Justice, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
Posted 33 months ago. ( permalink )

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DigitalTerrain says:

You can track the trial etc on Carlos' new site: PhotograhpyIsNotACrime.org You can comment there too - there will be a forum up soon for further discussion.
Posted 31 months ago. ( permalink )

SteelePop [deleted] says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Off the beat, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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brianr55 says:

Really great how people find any reason they can to put down cops. Until they really need one. Then when they save your butt they are the greatest people in the world, but probably only just for that moment. Cause People are so quick to forget. Sorry, but The Police can't be nice and polite all the time or they would get walked all over by the gangsters and other criminals that lack and feeling for anyone else in the world but themselves. Those same criminals that would ravage the average citizen if the Police werent there...
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major deegan  Pro User  says:

i agree in principal, if only The Police would obey the rules on a regular basis as well.
you and I know it's not a priority. it seems The Priority most days is to cover one's ass.
respectful behavior, even when tough, calls for returned respect.
disrespect calls for the same.
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icu5 says:

shawnwall if you don't like the u.s. then GET OUT
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icu5 says:

It's called obstructing justice you idiots!!!!
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ashi  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Photography is not a crime, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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Ben Goff  Pro User  says:

You DO NOT have the right to shoot anything you want. Photojournalists are the visible face of the publication they work for and having run-ins with the law while working is a sure way to jeaprodize your career. A good photographer knows you can't meet deadlines if you are ejected from an event or incarcerated.

Sometimes police overstep their boundaries, to be sure, but in the above case the photographer clearly overstepped his.

A big part of being a photojounalist is being respectfull of your subjects. If you are shooting a sporting event and the official tells you not to stand in a spot becouse you're blocking his view you just move. If you're shooting a political event and the secret service says stay behing the fence, you stay behing the fence. If you are shooting a police situation and they say you can't be here right now you respectfully ask where you can be and do as they say.

If you are being stonewalled, be persistent, but at least have the dignity to do it professionaly and through the proper chanels. A real photojournalist knows that having a good relationship with the authorities can get you more access than fighting with them.
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Jock D  Pro User  says:

Didn't you get convicted or worked ou some sort of a plea??? Dude, next time just do as they say and complain to the Internal Affairs. Would have cost you less and you might not have gotten ur ass kicked. I get mistreated all the time by Miami-Dade police and arrested for a silly ass resisting arrest charge which they of course use creative writing to get you convicted or forced to take a plea.

Just avoid cops at all cost. It's cheaper and less stress on your body.
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Euroshots says:

Would you be interested in joining The All American Roadtrip

Think your photos would fit in well there
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eusoph says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called travel journalist, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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Brunocerous says:

bravo to you! this is the first modern nation that codified press freedoms, and photography is part of that freedom, lest we forget.
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Big Spat says:

Dude, you're an idiot.
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Roxxxyfoto.com says:

i travel around dade county taking pics of things and the cops in aventura..not nice. they were yelling at me to stop taking pics.

i was on a sidewalk, but being that it was midnight and i was in my pj's ( i heard there was an accident so i went to snap pics)... i didnt want to be arrested LOL!


but yeah... if were on public TAX paid property.. they cant arrest you...rather they cant tell you NOT to take pictures...maybe not of that one cop but..shit...
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Ryno2008 says:

When the police ask you to move on...instead of arguing...how bout you just move on and save yourself the trouble of arguing. Nothing comes good comes from arguing with the police. Don't antagonize them...what do you expect?? And to all that bash the police, they are the first people you think to call when you have a problem. So don't be hypocrits.
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cesar_ale  Pro User  says:

Te regalo estos tres con moño.

Policías en Acción / Police in Action by cesar_ale

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thatismoney24 says:

Guess you should listen to the police next time.
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// AM (Automotive Photography) \\  Pro User  says:

This is so sad...
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Maxence_Guillaume [deleted] says:

LOL - Reno 911 ...

I think police officiers are getting tired because of ppl filming and watching them during their duty. That gives them more stress and more pressure. :/
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