Jumping would be pointless. They've all got
golden parachutes. No, it's going to take
something a bit more drastic to get our
country, our economy and our money back from
these pigs.
Hi Matthew, Did you take this photograph? I wanted to
use it as one of 40 pictures I'm using to
illustrate 40 chapters of my book which is
going to be self published. Is it
copyrighted or can I go ahead and put it in.
Thanks a lot Eleanor geometryofbehaviour.posterous.com
Classic case of blaming the people trapped in
the system, instead of the system. Like
blaming the soldiers for a war, instead of
the guys who caused the war.
Most of these traders are ordinary people,
doing their best at a particular job in order
to keep things going, with families and
dependents, and with no other alternative at
present.
And many of the protesters are unwilling or
unable to work, not because of the system,
but because of their own psychological
make-up.
A make-up which seemingly justifies wanting
to kill their country-men because of the
system.
Although is see, that the slogan is gross, i
wouldn't set apart the system form the
people. Of course the system - in this case -
is man made throughout. As with war, if you
will.
Right, that there's often a family in the
background, or a style of living, but here as
well: those in these jobs chose it
voluntarely. I don't think, brokers were
forced to their jobs. i agree, that
alternatives in work often mean alternatives
in living style as well.
and. there seems to be a minor glitch in your
argumentation: when it comes to brokers, you
state, they would be trapped in the systems,
but when it comes to protesters, they arn't,
but are "unwilling". i don't get
that.
but killing isn't the right way either way,
right?
@Prof Michael Stoll: As a computer programmer
I see that any system I can think of,
consists of/depends on a network of
interconnected sub-functions. People,
computers, electronics, mechanical devices,
etc. etc. are used in order to make these
functions come alive. So the system I am
talking about, is the abstract system in
which people are like pluggable, replaceable,
specialized units.
The protesters think the traders are 'evil',
because they (the protesters) view the result
of the system as undesirable. But can a tool
be evil? I think, only the purpose for which
you use it can be viewed as non-desirable.
Like using a spade to kill somebody. Should
the spade now jump from a building, under a
torrent of vile abuse?
What I mean is that if specialized robots can
be constructed to fulfill the roles of the
traders, the system would work the same. But
not many people would be trying to insult or
swear at the robots. Their gripe would
rather be with the system architects. In
this case, it is the job of the government to
create or modify the system so that it is no
longer open to abuse.
The fact is that most traders are highly
skilled, intelligent people with non-ordinary
characteristics like the ability for extreme
concentration, multitasking and decision
making. Even so, because most of their
skills are extremely specialized, they are
not likely to find other jobs easily. That
is why I say they are trapped by what they
chose to do. This is true of many
professions.
Yes, these people chose their jobs
voluntarily. At the time they probably had
not the slightest idea that working as a
trader would be viewed as morally
reprehensible someday. But consider that
they were ABLE to fulfill the functions which
this particular system provided/required.
Also, that ANYBODY can choose to do it - but
not everybody is able or willing to. Some
might be able, but now have ethical issues.
With regard to the protesters, my observation
of their mentality - just look at the photo
again - causes me to think that the only job
most of tthem can do well - able and willing
- is to be a protester - shouting abuse at
other people, hoping that things change in
that way and that they benefit from that.
Any system (of employment) has certain
requirements, and if you cannot or don't want
to fulfill those requirements, then you
cannot do the work required by that specific
system.
Many (most?) of the protesters only protest
against this system because they themselves
don't have money and they blame the system
for this. Since they are unable or unwilling
to join the system, they blame those who are
able to use it to get money.
This does not take away from the fact that
this particular system is severely flawed and
open to abuse, with the proven capacity to
drastically impact on innocent people.
It isn't really about the money but by the
way they make their money.Much of it from
the suffering of others. These people feed on
other peoples misery. They make mega bucks
from war and the slaughter of innocent
people, from child labour and from the abuse
of workers rights. They can watch the
needless suffering of others and feel
nothing for them. They plunder and destroy
our environment in search of the ever elusive
buck. And when it looks like they might lose
out they cry like babies and hold the world
to ransom until someone rescues them. I say
JUMP
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Đỷḹḁṋ, g.swafford, santoslilhelper, jeffandcindylou, and 66 other people added this photo to their favorites.
oliveoil4me2 (56 months ago | reply)
wall street anger
menan1961 (54 months ago | reply)
Why should they jump- They have all the money! They have no honor!
margie44 (52 months ago | reply)
LOL that's a good one. The m o t h e r j u m p e r s need to be pulled out of their offices and given a good beat-down before they make that leap.
2cats0dogs (51 months ago | reply)
Main street schools wall street!!
Love it!
jjg976 (51 months ago | reply)
As apt now as it was on Oct. 2.
Michael Stoll (44 months ago | reply)
used in an advertising campaign for the german weekly magazine "der Spiegel" in this way:
djMikulec (41 months ago | reply)
Jumping would be pointless. They've all got golden parachutes. No, it's going to take something a bit more drastic to get our country, our economy and our money back from these pigs.
sixpounder (31 months ago | reply)
No more bailouts!
.
EleanorORourke (23 months ago | reply)
Hi Matthew,
Did you take this photograph? I wanted to use it as one of 40 pictures I'm using to illustrate 40 chapters of my book which is going to be self published. Is it copyrighted or can I go ahead and put it in.
Thanks a lot
Eleanor
geometryofbehaviour.posterous.com
illusionary0 (20 months ago | reply)
In Chicago, the scum at the Mercantile Exchange stood on high with signs that said, "We are the 1%."
72feetabovesealevel (19 months ago | reply)
Famous last words: let them eat cake. I'd also note that the worlds richest man, Muammar Gaddafi, died in a ditch.
Love the sign.
JohnboyWalton1 (17 months ago | reply)
Unfortunately the only thing this proves is that the protesters are the same as the traders.
Neither has any respect for the other.
How crazy is it to want somebody to die, because of money?? Priorities seem a bit effed up to me.
TheClearView (17 months ago | reply)
Classic case of blaming the people trapped in the system, instead of the system. Like blaming the soldiers for a war, instead of the guys who caused the war.
Most of these traders are ordinary people, doing their best at a particular job in order to keep things going, with families and dependents, and with no other alternative at present.
And many of the protesters are unwilling or unable to work, not because of the system, but because of their own psychological make-up.
A make-up which seemingly justifies wanting to kill their country-men because of the system.
Michael Stoll (17 months ago | reply)
Although is see, that the slogan is gross, i wouldn't set apart the system form the people. Of course the system - in this case - is man made throughout. As with war, if you will.
Right, that there's often a family in the background, or a style of living, but here as well: those in these jobs chose it voluntarely. I don't think, brokers were forced to their jobs. i agree, that alternatives in work often mean alternatives in living style as well.
and. there seems to be a minor glitch in your argumentation: when it comes to brokers, you state, they would be trapped in the systems, but when it comes to protesters, they arn't, but are "unwilling". i don't get that.
but killing isn't the right way either way, right?
TheClearView (17 months ago | reply)
@Prof Michael Stoll: As a computer programmer I see that any system I can think of, consists of/depends on a network of interconnected sub-functions. People, computers, electronics, mechanical devices, etc. etc. are used in order to make these functions come alive. So the system I am talking about, is the abstract system in which people are like pluggable, replaceable, specialized units.
The protesters think the traders are 'evil', because they (the protesters) view the result of the system as undesirable. But can a tool be evil? I think, only the purpose for which you use it can be viewed as non-desirable. Like using a spade to kill somebody. Should the spade now jump from a building, under a torrent of vile abuse?
What I mean is that if specialized robots can be constructed to fulfill the roles of the traders, the system would work the same. But not many people would be trying to insult or swear at the robots. Their gripe would rather be with the system architects. In this case, it is the job of the government to create or modify the system so that it is no longer open to abuse.
The fact is that most traders are highly skilled, intelligent people with non-ordinary characteristics like the ability for extreme concentration, multitasking and decision making. Even so, because most of their skills are extremely specialized, they are not likely to find other jobs easily. That is why I say they are trapped by what they chose to do. This is true of many professions.
Yes, these people chose their jobs voluntarily. At the time they probably had not the slightest idea that working as a trader would be viewed as morally reprehensible someday. But consider that they were ABLE to fulfill the functions which this particular system provided/required. Also, that ANYBODY can choose to do it - but not everybody is able or willing to. Some might be able, but now have ethical issues.
With regard to the protesters, my observation of their mentality - just look at the photo again - causes me to think that the only job most of tthem can do well - able and willing - is to be a protester - shouting abuse at other people, hoping that things change in that way and that they benefit from that.
Any system (of employment) has certain requirements, and if you cannot or don't want to fulfill those requirements, then you cannot do the work required by that specific system.
Many (most?) of the protesters only protest against this system because they themselves don't have money and they blame the system for this. Since they are unable or unwilling to join the system, they blame those who are able to use it to get money.
This does not take away from the fact that this particular system is severely flawed and open to abuse, with the proven capacity to drastically impact on innocent people.
michlamby2 (14 months ago | reply)
It isn't really about the money but by the way they make their money.Much of it from the suffering of others. These people feed on other peoples misery. They make mega bucks from war and the slaughter of innocent people, from child labour and from the abuse of workers rights. They can watch the needless suffering of others and feel nothing for them. They plunder and destroy our environment in search of the ever elusive buck. And when it looks like they might lose out they cry like babies and hold the world to ransom until someone rescues them. I say JUMP