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Lost in [Color] Space by sMacshot.
To My Dear Flickr Friends,

Some time back, I purchased a pretty expensive color profiling and calibration suite which has sat untouched, I’m embarrassed to say, because it was so daunting. Now, finally, I’ve gotten about the task of calibrating monitor, scanner, and printer (not sure if I will do the camera, but I can, if need be) and suddenly everything looks ‘wrong’ and so different. All my artwork and photos on my monitor seem to lack the luxuriousness of blacks, the richness of shadows, and the depth of color I’d originally created them with, and as a person with synesthesia, it depresses me in unexplainable ways to see them thusly; as if their souls have been stripped; and I am viewing now only the embalmed remains. (I forgive all who cannot bear with my dramatics right now; when I'm done typing, I will set about the task of several hard face-slaps.) I went to the FAQ section of the manufacturer’s website and my complaint happened to be one of the issues. Their response, however, did not comfort me; apparently it’s the optimal level for viewing all levels of the histogram with hopefully no clipping. They basically said you’ll get used to it.

I also felt it necessary to explain why, if you notice my future uploads seeming even darker to you (because now I might be compensating for what I feel is a too-washed-out monitor), it will be because I tend to like it that way; it feels right; it's how my soul 'sees' things: richer, and more vibrant, but also moody, and I also encourage feedback if something's just too dark on your monitor.

I had originally made this photo a few months ago, based on how I was feeling at the time; like an alien, out of place. Nothing looked the same to me, anymore. There was a sense of distortion; both in how I viewed myself, as well as in how I thought about things which I'd once believed to be true. I was wondering what my purpose was, and did I even belong to this planet? At times I didn’t even feel real, anymore. Now, all this sounds really more wacky than it really was; it was more like a period of reassessment of my life, and things due to a forced change in course….

I never intended to upload it, however, because I'd created this more out of a personal need to express rather than to share, (got a whole hard drive full of that kind of stuff, as I am sure many of you do!) But I find it fitting once again, and felt it an appropriate image for expressing how I feel out of sorts and lost right now. Just from calibrating. How silly is that!! Thank all of you for bearing with me, for this too shall pass!! :P

Sincerely,
sMacshot 

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Loki* [deleted] says:

Consistent with the other pictures in your stream on my monitor..
Striking colage effect!
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[ CK ]  Pro User  says:

Well, I'm glad you did up load it and share your thoughts on color callibration. I too was plagued with similar issues until I borrowed my friend's Spyder. Now this is EASY color correction. You stick the thing on your monitor, answer a few questions, then come back in a few minuntes to color corrected goodness.

I know what you mean about getting comfortable or use to how images look on your monitor. I also undesrstand why you would be afraid of the whole process of adjusting settings on your computer and monitor. But truth be told, this could be the most important tasks us photographers need to do when it comes to processing images.

So I would suggest you get comfy with those calibration tools and overcome your fear. In the end you will that yourself, I know I did.
BTW, nice collage. Is that you? ~ I know what you mean about feeling like an alien sometimes. You're not alone there ;)
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klsanderson  Pro User  says:

For me, the calibration process is to try (and one can but try) to match what I see on my screen (in the medium of light), with some degree of accuracy, to an intended print on a particular paper (in the medium of pigment). I make one document for screen and one for paper/pigment.

So very often I prefer the screen version, as you say, darker, richer, with details shining through the muddy, ruddy, tea-stained, tobacco-overlayed colors.... There is always the question of "are people seeing this image as I am?" and there is so much variation from monitor to monitor, from Mac to PC gamma, and from one brain/sensory input/person to person... that one never knows. I say go for what looks gorgeous to you on screen (it's always looked gorgeous to me!!!!) and only use the calibrated mode when aiming for print (if it is possible to switch modes without standing on your head and whistling dixie)

Great image, by the way - your right eye says it all!
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OpticAnarchy [deleted] says:

I actually know exactly how you feel and made light of it in my photostream sometime back, as well. I had prints made of some of my images and I was destroyed by what I saw. They were just "off". Those around me thought it was no big deal, but it really was to me--because it wasn't the way I had intended the images to look. Especially in art photography, this is a big issue. It's no different than a painter creating a painting and then somehow the colors have shifted. I spent a while going from monitor to monitor of everyone I know and was horrified to discover that the images varied on each one. Some were washed out. Some were terribly dark. Some were more green, some more red.

The unfortunate thing, and something that I just had to deal with, was that when you present images on a monitor, you'll never be able to control the viewing experience. Never. Even if you calibrate your equipment perfectly, you can't calibrate your audiences. This is not an issue in print, where you can control the entire process until you get the perfect image.

Some people will say this is no big deal, but I thought it was. So, trust me Susan, you've got a kindred spirit out here. My best advice is to simply make images that look good to you on your equipment. A composer knows that some people may listen to his symphony live, some on expensive hi-fi systems, some on iPods with less-than-stellar headphones, and some on mono radios. All he can do is compose the symphony that resonates most with himself. If it means anything, the tones in this image (especially the blacks) are absolutely gorgeous!
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'kbozen' moved to http://kbozen.ipernity.com says:

wonderful deconstructed
awesome colours
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thorinside  Pro User  says:

Hi sMacshot! Calibration does that to me too. But if it is any consolation, on my monitor I don't notice a difference between this image and any of your other ones, from a black-point and colour saturation perspective. Process another photo from start to finish on the new calibration settings, perhaps, and maybe we'll see a difference?

I really like this photo. It accurately conveys the disconnection you feel, the pain of the digital world clashing with your analog sensibilities.
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sharp bokeh  Pro User  says:

I do a lot of photo work where the colors need to be spot-on accurate and I must use calibration, but accuracy does not always equal what I think looks best. When I do my own photo art I toss accuracy out the window and use my eyes to calibrate and make a screen version and a print version. These two images will almost always have a different color/level profile and after doing it enough times I've developed a second sense of how my equipment translates color from screen to printer and what I need to do to tweak an on-screen image to make a nice print.
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_marmota  Pro User  says:

When I first started working with digital photography I had a big 19" CRT that was way past its prime where the blacks where more brown. I wondered what other people saw but I tried not to worry about it..everyone controls their own experience and there isn't much I can do about that.

I've since gotten a new monitor, a huey calibration device (works like a charm) and I go with what feels right when I process an image meant for the screen (prints, well that's another thing). I've always thought the blacks in your images look great, or at least they do on my screen. In any event, maybe this whole calibration experience just parallels your personal trials which brought all this together at once; maybe it's just a matter of letting it go, and accepting that you can only hope to control your own experience.

btw, love this piece of artwork..it's honest and raw.

--
Seen in my contacts' photos. (?)
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[*] [deleted] says:

Colour calibration is a nightmare!!! I've gone through blood, sweat and tears and surfed levels of anal nit-picking you would not believe (not literally :) ) to get colour accuracy to a level I am happy with.

And the first thing I noticed after doing it is how weird the colours looked. But you will get used to it, our eyes are very adaptive. Trust me, working with a correctly calibrated monitor eases a lot of strain on the old eyeballs so you can work for longer.

Unfortunately, after going through the whole rigmoral, the truth dawns that the majority of monitors in this world are not calibrated properly anyway, so your images will appear different on each one of them (a similar issue - go into any TV store, and you will notice each TV displaying colours in a different way!).
However, it is vital to nail the issue if you do wish to make prints either through a desktop printer or through a professional print shop. That is when colour calibration becomes a gift from the gods. You've done the right thing! :)

Great collaged image, blacks are silky and velvety and tone is spot on.
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N.I.B:  Pro User  says:

Cool work.Excellent.
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Jimbodiny says:

You show two faces,neigher being very pleasant to view. I have to cover up one side or the other just to look at the picture. To me, the left side expresses everything is all right except the mouth says "help me". When I cover us the left two thirds, I see a zombee that is going to go on with the mundain tasks that lie ahead, but remember, what lies ahead and what lies behind are tiny matters compared to what lies inside.

Thanks for sharing this picture statement.
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Federico Erra  Pro User  says:

amazing!!!!!
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Oℓivia  Pro User  says:

This is incredible Susan! Incredibly lovely, incredibly inspiring!
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mel-pin  Pro User  says:

" This too shall pass..."
Exactly.
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original_ann  Pro User  says:

I don't think I'll ever grasp color calibration. It frustrates me to no end. On the other hand, I love this artful composition! The one eye is (dare I say?) beautifully grotesque - - I cannot look away. And the red cross comforts me. I imagine it's a source of healing... :)
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FrancescaEliot says:

Simply put: Here's to your soul and the way that it sees, regardless of calibration issues. It is good to see your work again.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Hi everyone, oh I so thank all of you for sharing your similar stories, and lending words of support. And it really means a lot of me that so many of you took the time out to really type such long comments. That's really generous.

Yes, Chris, this is a photo of me that I distorted and layered with various layers of textures, color swatches, and 'painting'.... all done in Photoshop CS.

klsanderson, not possible to switch modes; thus my dismay...but I've decided to go with it, and really, already, I am starting to get used to it a little bit more.

Optic Anarchy ..... Thanks for understanding my drama. I suppose things could be worse; I could be stuck cleaning out Mme. Quaglit's chamber pots, right? ;)

To all others who encouraged me to not stress it; to realize no one is going to see what I do, so not to worry too hard, thank you!

And Jim, your comment makes me smile. 'Specially the first sentence. :)

Olivia, Melina, Ann, and Francesca ..... you've all sent me kind words in the past, so it's very comforting to have you four here. Thank you so much, my Flickr sisters!

Thank you, in no lesser way to Loki, kbozen, darkbeans, thorinside, Brendan, marmota, Motikat, NIB, and Saint Just-5!!
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angie M. photography says:

Wow - I like it. Thanks for sharing it. We creative people have to be able to create (in our own way) and when we can't we feel so stifled.
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OpticAnarchy [deleted] says:

So true. And having a dress-thieving specter as your arch-nemesis is no picnic! :D
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Jiffy Cat  Pro User  says:

Brilliant work! To me the colors and tones are similar to your other photos, so I don't see a big difference. What I'm trying to say is this is great and it's still you. If someone showed me this and I had not seen it before and I was asked to chose it's maker ,I would be able to do it with no problem.......does that make any sense?
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

angie ..... Amen!
OpticAnarchy ..... 'specially when you have to watch it in such an ugly frock. Sheesh!!
Jiffy Cat ..... Neato! Thanks, very much!
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gus.k  Pro User  says:

brilliant! nice work.
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fox flickr  Pro User  says:

great
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kagogo  Pro User  says:

I really like this collage and its distortion. You're right, I have a hard drive filled with similar images (or at least images made from the same impulse), but I've resisted posting them as well. I'm glad you posted this one, though.... what your story tells me (I think) is that you are moving on from the initial pain that moved you to create this image... indeed, calibration and things of that matter are frustrating, but I imagine that if you were stil engrossed with your other problems -- the ones that made you feel alienated, that made you reassess your life -- then something "technological" might have been outside your scope of worry. So, then, consider this progress! :-)
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s•stop  Pro User  says:

Wow. Incredible.

Susan: You are really a true artist through and through. It is really in your blood.

Nice to see some work that has some true meaning.
Keep it up.
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holgaguy  Pro User  says:

I have yet to try any of this sMacshot ... my prints could stand some kind of calabration though. Thanks for sharing your experience.

I like the picture as well.
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coccodrillo says:

this is spotless
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

gus k. ..... thanks!
fox flickr ..... :)
kagogo ..... Thanks so much. Yes, my original 'need' for this photo was to 'draw' how I looked at the time. Distorted, unattractive, weird, and like an alien, not belonging and unwanted. Then when going through the calibration, my gosh, I cannot understate the trauma I felt! Everything I 'knew' now looked distorted, unattractive, and weird.....thus the 'where's that picture I made' moment, and the ensuing post to Flickr. ;)
Sam ..... Oh Sam, such kind words!
holgaguy ..... Thank you so much. I think in the end, this will all be so great, and save me lots and lots of expensive ink and paper!
coccodrillo ..... eeeeee!!
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Tim McDonough  Pro User  says:

What a splendid image, like some exquisite, decomposing mummy! Great texture.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

OH Tim, thank you!!
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darkling11 says:

this is an amazing portrait! and if you have a whole hard drive full of stuff like this...plz upload them :-) cause this is awesome to look at! but I understand that creative expression is most often just to let it out and not to let anyone else know. hope your calibration works out!
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Hi darkling11, thank you for such kind words! Perhaps in future if I ever come in need of upgrading to a Pro account, I will do a set of this stuff.

As to the calibration, I see a big difference in the printing....but some color ranges still are not perfect. Some tweaking is necessary.
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P-tit says:

I'm so impressed by your photos. This is just so beautiful. You're a real talent.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Too kind, P-tit, I am humbled. thank you!
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Ariel.. says:

wonderful composition! I agree with P-tit your very talented!!!
I love it!
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Fire Monkey Manuwahie  Pro User  says:

I forgive all who cannot bear with my dramatics right now; when I'm done typing, I will set about the task of several hard face-slaps.

I love this image and your statement (especially the part quoted above :) . I'd love to have this added to the Face Time group.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

servo .... oh wow. So nice!
Fire Monkey Manuwahie ..... :) I realized my melodrama. And have added to the group, thanks!
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Southcoasting  Pro User  says:

this is kinda striking! I like ti a lot.

I recognise that feeling about your pics - i get it sometimes, and it's like someone flicked a little switch in your head and all the colours seem a shade out, and slightly disappointing. I usually put it down to tiredness, or having eaten something funny!
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Southcoasting  Pro User  says:

this is kinda striking! I like it a lot.

I recognise that feeling about your pics - i get it sometimes, and it's like someone flicked a little switch in your head and all the colours seem a shade out, and slightly disappointing. I usually put it down to tiredness, or having eaten something funny!
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brancusi7  Pro User  says:

Sympathy from a fellow synaesthete. I can get drunk on too much red, swim in black, and taste blue but it means I have no vocabulary for food. This image conveys your state well.
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[kren]  Pro User  says:

I had a similar experience.
The two web browsers that I use were showing totally different colors on the same pictures, one subdued, the other saturated. I was told to change the calibration of my monitor to sRGB, which I did. All of a sudden, all my photos stored on my computer looked different! The black and whites were not black and white anymore, somehow. I was depressed and whether they are "real" colours or not, I did not care, and changed my display back to what it was. Now I don't even want to know how different my photos would display in several different computers.
Doh.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Southcoasting ..... ahahha, thanks!
brancusi7 ..... Yes, just touches of red are necessary for maximum impact, I agree. I do not taste colors, or anything synesthetically, for that matter; sounds, for me, have shape, color, and texture; and letters and numbers have color which often conflict with the 'sounds' they gather to form, and causes me great frustration if forced to define colors of words. Time has shape; shapes & geometric angles (viewed in any 'form' ie; the tilt of a foot, the arrangement of furniture, or a person's bangs) have emotion and personality traits....ok, I am rambling!
[kren] ..... OH I totally think I do the same; feel like I don't want to face what other monitors are seeing....but I do not own a laptop....and these screens, I feel, show our work in the worst light. I think flat panel monitors are quite similar...tho getting better as I understand. I am still with solid glass, gimungaloid CRT. I won't change till the technology improves.
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mo gun says:

what an intense pic!
this comes in and goes deep, evoking and touching my own "out of place" experience.
I find this a great piece of art!
hope you feel better by now! :-)

I hope it's okay for you that I give an award to this personal work
I Think this is Art ! AWARD
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Of course it's ok! Thank you, mo gun, I will go find a nice place to hang that lovely up on my wall! ;) Thank you!
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HandsOff  Pro User  says:

It is an interesting picture somehow. For me it is the mouth. Some of the curious details make the picture interesting, but honestly, the pattern recognition center of my brain just corrects them automatically anyways. What it relays to my central processing unit is the mouth - corrected and repair - with the equivalent of a "!" and a "?". It seems like the focal point of your deep expression of feeling. Facial expressions can be very fleeting things. On top of that they are often concealed, or contrived. Ah, but the photograph allows some of the expression that would otherwise be lost to eventually find expression.

Damn it! Drinking coffee and posting a comment. Will I never learn?
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Maros R. [deleted] says:

nice work :) thanks for posting it to postprocessing group :)
M.
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Cyrius says:

A powerful image I find myself coming over and over again...Great movement and expression, especially around your right eye. Very touching.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

HandsOff .....ahahhaa! I am grateful for your coffee-inspired time taken to give me your wonderful thoughts!
Maros ..... I so thank you!
Cyrius ..... Anytime, please visit! I love what you've said.
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Wes Barnes  Pro User  says:

Cool.

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elenchus sole says:

colors are different depending on your continent, don't sweat it and just be glad you don't live in Uzbekistan.
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myrte voogt says:

love it! the way the graphic ellements divide the face ..& those colors, great work!
seen in *DysmOrphic*
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Я £ - Leonardo Régnier  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Unusual Portraits and Body Parts (english / português), and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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Tous les noms sont déjà pris... pfff...  Pro User  says:

!!!!!!!!! love it dear !
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Wes Barnes .... while you may not be a man of many words, the one you leave is very important to me. I thank you for taking the time, truly!
elechus sole ..... Hmmm, never thought about that. Thanks for the advice! ;)
myrtepeert .... OH thank you!!
Leo Regnier ..... THanks for the invite!
R' ..... Woo Hoo!!
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StewartJames  Pro User  says:

powerful use of texture and overlay... love the expression...
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P-tit says:

I was searching for photos/artwork that had something to do with synesthesia and this one came up. So you have synesthesia? Me too. It enriches my life and gives me a lot of inspiration. What about you? And I recognised it as I've seen it before, and it's beautiful and expressive. I loved to read about the background to this photo.
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Sekator  Pro User  says:

ahh, your are so creative! great ideas!
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Daniel Colvin (Taking a break)  Pro User  says:

sMacshot.Your not alone in your distress. This is a problem for everyone, even the nerdiest color tech has challanges with all the color management issues.

There are a few things that will help.

First realize that on the web, you can't control all parameters in the loop, for instance everybodies monitor is calibrated differnetly. Some close to correct others completely haywire and everything in between.

Second. The monitor can not show you everything that is in your file. When you first start working with a file look at your historgram. if the historgram does not bunch up against either side of the graph your photo data is good. If you're applying heavy process check it again. If it bunches up it's not nessecarily bad but you can't get that data back so just know that.

Third. Use adjustment layers ( if your in PS) so instead of applying a curves adjustment to your original, add a curve layer and do the adjustment that way. You can undo this and fade it out all you want. I sometimes make a layer to compensate for a monitor or something else which I can turn on and off to satisfy my artistic eye.

Fourth. Make your final contrast adjsutment, with your lovely inky blacks as a adjustment layer then flatten and save your jpeg. Use save as not save for web. What's really good news about this is you can get the look of all your old images back by adding these types of layers to them.

Fifth. If you want to get even more amused, look at your images on flickr with differn't browsers. Safari is the only browser that looks at embeded profiles.

What I do is have differn't production paths for web vs. Print. It's a little extra work but this way I can the web jpeg that matches my print.

There's my tech spew

Oh and one more thing.

THIS IS A REALLY AMAZING IMAGE!

It is powerful and honest.
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Greg Headley  Pro User  says:

You have synesthesia? Me too in a way. I don't see sounds/music as colors but rather as geometric shapes. I'm not sure if mine is the genuine article. No one will ever see things like you do (feels lonely for sure) but you've got a lot of supporters which really says something about how your pictures communicate real feelings.
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sMacshot  Pro User  says:

Stewart James .... I thank you!
P-tit ..... yes, I have synesthesia. I normally don't discuss it because a general glazing over of the eyes of the listener ultimately ensues. I see sound and smells as shape; numbers and letters as color, and sounds as color. The *sounds* of a letters color doesn't always correspond to its actual color which gives me great frustration when trying to describe it to others. Then there are more abstract manifestations of the condition for me which I cannot even describe using words with the english language. Only my twin sister understands because she experiences them herself.
Sekator .... why thank you!
Daniel Colvin .... This is so kind of you to take the time to give me all this great advice. I so know about this monitor issue....I actually sort of ignore the fact that things are generally going to be lighter on other people's monitors (and less saturated) because I have yet to see one which looks like mine. Seems most people have flat panel or laptop computers/monitors and I am not fond of their rendering of images...my images, hee-hee....but I forge ahead, and accept that so many will never 'see' what I do.
Greg Headley ..... sounds and music definitely have shape for me, but when it's the sound of spoken word, color is the primary aspect which strikes me while when it is music, the shape is. :)
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ootatsu  Pro User  says:

Cool!!
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jtravism  Pro User  says:

Your work is phenomenal! From my limited exploration, you are doing some of the most unique images, painterly, sculpted, lyrical, and beautifully demented--thanks for sharing them and sharing your process!
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timraleigh  Pro User  says:

Nice photo and story.
It really captures the feelings (emotions) I have had when I have totally lost something that I relied on and looked forward to making everything ok again.
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welcometoalville  Pro User  says:

Amazing image...so many layers. It captures the emotional complexity of the writing -- yet in a way it says more in one moment than words ever could -- forget the 1:1000 photo/words cliche...not even close. I've always felt that darkness is an indication of depth and complexity and a necessary and realistic balance to light. It takes courage to explore the dark and not be overwhelmed by it.
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bendyphotography.com  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called fUnK fAcE, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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