No One is Pro-Abortion. on Flickr

SaylaMarz says:

Texture by James.

Large View.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Thank you for this post Brigid. This is just oh so true, and everyone should be aware of that.
I hope it'll talk to people and convince them not to vote for McCain.
Great idea for your picture too, and really well done!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

ellokittee says:

Great job on this one, and as always, your words ring far truer than any that will fall from a politician's mouth this election.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

ggypsy says:

This is beautiful and poignant as always, my dear. It probably doesn't hurt that I share your opinion, but regardless, the composition and execution of the picture is gorgeous.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Phoney Nickle says:

Thank you for the title of this post. It's something I've been saying for such a long time. No one ENJOYS abortion, no one WANTS to go through it. A very close friend of mine had to make that choice and it was painful in so many ways - emotionally, physically, mentally. But it was a choice she had to make at the time. This is a really beautifully done photo and post afterwards. Thank you.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

DeHoll says:

I agree with your position...
For many years, the acceptable term in legitimate news operations has been "pro-choice." It is supposed to be judgment neutral.

Great image, well said.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

sadandbeautiful (Sarah) says:

Love you!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Sweet~Vanilla says:

If this wasn't Flickr I'd tell you how close to my heart this photo is.

It's a very brave and honest photo Brigid and I applaud you for it ... it's also beautiful.

... I know, crazy right ?
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psykochatter says:

This is my hot button issues. I'm glad to see you addressed it. Another thing that leads to unwanted pregnancies? Abstinence only education. I know Gov. Palin is for it. We see how well that's working out. A republican I am friends with claims that kids are not stupid and if they're going to have sex, they'll know how to work a condom. My argument is that (and the Palin example is a perfect one) if it's abstinence only education and you live in a small town... buying the condoms.. chances are the person you are buying them from knows you well or someone in your family.

His answer? Kids that age should not be having sex. True. If you're not ready to deal with the consequences, don't do it. But Teenagers are filled with hormones and they are going to have sex. Period. No amount of "don't do it" is going to change that. But explaining how to be safe and protected about it will help. Explaining all of the nasty diseases you can get sure could prevent teens from having sex.

whew. sorry.

I'm pro choice. I do not think it should be used for birth control, but it should be there for the health, the poverty, the birth control that didn't work, the vasectomy that didn't work, the addict that is going to birth an addicted child... And there should be no fear of being bombed. And there should be well educated therapists making sure one has exercised all options. Work to change the mind of the mother.. but be understanding and ultimately do what is asked.
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Sweet~Vanilla says:

I saw a quote the other day that said "Don't assume women walk into Abortion Clinics with smiles on their faces" ... SO TRUE ... neither do they leave with them.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

When someone tries to make the claim that abortion kills babies, I throw it in their face. "So, you wish I was never born?" that always gets a dumbfounded look on their face. You see, I am my mothers second pregnancy. Her first failed to form properly, and would have been born stillborn, lacking a functional heart and brain. She has medical issues that ment that at the time, she could only ever carry one child to term, and that would have to be carefully monitored. Her first attempt had to be aborted to enable her to try again, successfully this time, carrying me to 8 months before cesarian became necessary to ensure health of mother and child.

So, in short, I exist because abortion was legalized 4 months prior. I am of the first children brought into the world directly becaue of Roe v Wade.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

~* Ria says:

You're really on a roll with amazing images that are hitting at the massive issues in today's societies.
I find it bizarre that "pro-life" activists think pro-choicers are "anti-life". I think the abortion/crime link might fall in a debate, but the fact of the matter remains that by it being legal, the abortions being carried out are safer and do not expose the desperate women to the back alley torture or even attempting to abort the babies themselves with coat hangers or bicycle spokes. In my country (where abortion is only legal where it severely threatens the life of the mother) there was a huge court case where a 13 year old girl wanted an abortion because she was suicidal and did not want to bear the child of a rape. Apparently mental health doesn't count.
In an ideal world abortion shouldn't have had to have been legalised. Unfortunately, we're not in that world.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

hawaiikaos says:

Who the hell is this ammarsharif misanthrope? I don't trust anyone who doesn't post images. Anyway.

As for your post, very well put. I feel the same way. I was pretty offended when McCain smirked and put the phrase 'woman's health' in air quotes during one of the debates. He implied that it was better to let both mother and child die rather than let the mother live just to fulfill the principle of having absolutely no abortions. With all apologies to the mentally disabled, that's just retarded logic.

Obama also had one of the best comebacks in that same debate, "no one is anti-life". I think that must have made some of the neanderthals sit up and think. Somehow people who are pro-choice get painted as wild-eyed rampant babykillers when that cannot be further from the truth.

When society gives women reproductive choice (which includes access to contraceptives, adoption, AND sex education in addition to abortion) it empowers a woman to be more financially independent, potentially more fulfilled, to live a healthier life, and to be a better mother by concentrating higher quality resources into fewer, healthier children, at a time in her life of her choosing. There will still be moms out there who will choose to have 16 kids and do a decent job raising them, but it is their choice, and the vast majority of women will choose to have fewer children than if they just let nature take its course.

Yes, abortion is awful, but I do think that it is a necessary medical procedure that ought to be available to all women. I might be a naive optimist, but I think that every child should be healthy with a decent standard of living (i.e. able to make it past birth), wanted, and loved.

The root problem here is not "loose morals" but rather poverty. For better or for worse, women are the primary caregivers for children, and often the sole financial provider. Criminalizing abortion and forcing women to carry every pregnancy to term is just another way to hobble women (who already earn less than men to begin with) and their children (and seriously, you would think that it is 1850 the way this debate rages on).

Want to curb abortions? Provide free healthcare for pregnant women and mothers of newborns - 5 years. Improve the adoption process (and make it less expensive for adopters). Provide comprehensive sex education to children as young as nine (because girls can go through puberty that young these days); they can handle it -- it's not exactly rocket science. Increase funding for research into rare genetic diseases. Increase sentencing for molesters, rapists, and people who commit incest (incestors?) Provide free counseling, housing (if necessary), and other resources for anyone reporting molestation, rape, or incest, so the victim can safely be removed from the influence of the perpetrator. Provide universal access without a prescription to morning-after contraception (which technically isn't an abortion since the fertilized egg, if there is one, has not yet implanted). Teach young boys to respect women and girls, and to treat them with equanimity in society; teach them about family planning and parenting, and what they are expected to do should they become a father, and teach them in school because you can't trust parents to do it (I mean I learned what good fathering was from watching the Cosby Show, not from parental influence, unfortunately, and I had relatively decent parents).

Moreover, lets stop letting people who refer to a mangled 2000+ year-old document (from the bronze age, written by men who hadn't a clue about even the medicine of the time) as the absolute truth in every matter have so much influence over our modern laws, governance, culture, and society. A system of morals in complete absence of pragmatism is destined to fail (i.e. Marxism -- sounds like a great idea on paper, but really horrid in practice. And yes, I just compared fundamental Christianity to Marxism), and will fail fastest when it is forced on an unwilling populace.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

antigone78 says:

Beautiful shot, Sayla! Another hot button issue I completely agree with you on. I really hope, for the sake of my own daughter and the rest of the children out there, that we end up with a president that understands abstinence only education is a JOKE and not all people that have abortions are HORRIBLE BAD PEOPLE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL.

You are awesome for standing up for these things so openly in what can be a really hostile environment.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

erin is a star says:

I'm always amazed at your ability to take such sensitive issues and photograph/photoshop them to life. Plus doesn't hurt that we completely agree on things ;)

I'm big on obama too, even if he's said that he can't really help the gay marriage issue (being in the states power and all). Wish that vote wouldn't get washed out in Texas!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Lucky in Love [deleted] says:

Amen. It also seems ot me sometimes that the Republicans STOP giving a sh*t about kids the minute after they come out of the mother.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

DenisenFamily says:

Well said and I completely agree.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Anabella is united says:

I agree too. Great photo :D
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Faerie Girl says:

This is a wonderful image and message.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

prairiearth says:

beautifull work for such a heartwrenching topic. You're presentation was very thought provoking. good work.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

amaratala says:

Thanks again for your images and opinions. It really gets my goat when "anti-choice" folks use the term "pro-abortion". Abortion is not an option any woman enjoys or looks forward to! I'm living in the South for the first time in my life and I'm continually shocked by the "Pro-Life" bumper stickers I see. And why is it that the majority of the people driving those vehicles are men? I would like to understand what is it about this issue that draws men to it. Why did they pick this particular issue to defend and advertise?

Your image is well done as always! Obama is the next Prez. For sure.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

jimbodownie says:

Dear SM your site, or should I say Blog, keeps drawing me back.
You are intelligent, witty, determined and totally loveable on so many levels.
I am a voyeur into your life.
A life that seems to be all over the place but clearly defined.
Respect of parenthood, no matter how hard that is to confront.
Respect of life at all it's various levels and creeds.
Respect of awkwardness and all the bits we shy away from.
I have no doubt an evening, an afternoon, an hour with you would be so enriching, but hey, this is Scotland, and you're somewhere in The US of A (where the hell are you this week?}
But man, I ramble. What I'd dearly love to see is your total breakout into photographing the things you explain so well in your words.
You're a great photographer of moments. Apart from being an actress, singer, video artist and all the rest of your talents.
I'm not saying take SM out of the picture, but asking SM to BE the picture through her intelligent eye.
LOVE from Edinburgh.
(Most Americans don't give a fuck where it is but I'll trust that you do. Hey come over next year to the biggest Arts Festival in the world - The Edinburgh Festival 2009 - bookings taken anytime.}

jimbo
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

Cool image Bree. :) When we carry a baby.. we really are carrying ourselves inside. (Unless we're a surrogate.. but in that instance we've usually chosen to become pregnant.)

I can't imagine what would drive someone to eliminate a baby from her womb. Fear.. I guess.. or pain. A couple years ago my 18-year-old sister found herself pregnant with a second child only 3 months after her first was born. She wanted to have an abortion because she knew she couldn't raise a second baby. I told her about a couple at my church that had tried for 18 years to get pregnant and were still trying, but now seriously considering adoption. After a few months she did decide to give her baby up for adoption and she did. And she's so thankful she made that choice.

Since I'm pro-life, I've tried really hard to put myself in the shoes of a woman who has been raped and become pregnant.. or.. I try to imagine if I was pregnant but the pregnancy was putting my life in serious danger for some reason.
In my mind.. there's a difference between a pregnancy where there's a majority chance of mother and baby surviving.. and a pregnancy where the best thing that might happen is the mother would survive. In my mind... abortions are sometimes medically necessary. But a baby is an amazing gift.. and if she's willing to be completely unselfish for 9 months.. a woman can give her baby to someone who wants it.. someone who *can't* have babies.. has tried and tried.. but because she or her partner is infertile.. can't. What's wrong with taking something negative and turning it into something positive for someone else?

I think if I were raped.. (and since I'm married) I'd talk to and pray with my husband.. and we'd decide together if we would raise the child or give it to someone who'd wanted a baby. I guess it depends on the situation of the rape and what a Christian counselor suggested for our healing process.

If it was a medically necessary abortion though.. that's where I stumble. Do I allow my faith to be tested? Trusting that God will protect me from the physical death that may result? Or do I thank God for the medical expertise He's given us.. and use it to preserve my life? I don't know. What if I have an illness or disability that makes carrying to term dangerous for me.. I'd do what I could to prevent pregnancy at all.. (probably tubes tying or something). But what if I still go pregnant? What if I made a careless choice..

There are TOO many circumstances. Abortion will happen no matter what. And I agree that for the safety of those who seek an abortion that a medical professional should do it. But it's an abused practice right now... The people who are making poor choices.. acting carelessly without thinking about consequences... those are the people who upset the Pro-life crowd.. those who abuse the privilege of abortion.
We have the privilege to carry weapons in most states.. but when we abuse that privilege and use them when we shouldn't.. it's often called murder.

It's not all cut and dry for all of us who are Pro-life. We're not all bigoted, heartless fools. While you're angry at the people who aren't thinking about those who are raped and in physical danger.. we're angry at the people who don't have a care for what they do or how it will affect those around them. It's not as black and white as people make it out to be.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

Oh and B:

You are one of the most gentle and loving people I know. You would get mad at us if we stepped on an ant back in high school. I know that Pro-choice does not mean Anti-life or Pro-abortion. Thanks for reiterating that to someone else that might stumble onto your site and think otherwise. ;)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

[isabel] says:

your title is so so so correct.
no one wants abortion, but i definitely want choice. in a perfect world no one would get one, but why not provide a safe method since women are going to get them no matter what?
yes!

i dig your political pictures. maybe it's just because our views are quite similar, but you do a great job of presenting them. kudos. :)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Garabato Psycodelicius! ☠ says:

nice pic
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Babs1696 says:

Wonderful image - and you have totally expressed the issue so, so well!
Abortion is such a sad subject - sad issue..... Somehow, I'm Pro-Life AND Pro-Choice. Things are just not always black and white, right and wrong....... it's just not that simple.......
And....."abstinence only" programs are not going to fix things - that's just not going to work...... that's just sweeping the problem under the rug...... We need to help instead of punish......
Making abortion illegal again will just push it back to the back alleys - it won't save lives...... it will only cause more deaths......

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Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

twnklmoon says:

Less government...why do the Republicans always claim less government, then want to get into people's private business? Less look from a purely economic point...it would cost a lot to prosecute doctors and women. If we are talking a recession and horrible economy, then where will the government get the money?

No one is Pro-Abortion...no one. I just don't want the government making that kind of decision for me.

You did an incredible job on this Bridgett. And that commenter is starting to spook me, can you get him blocked for threatening?
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

crystalchroma says:

you fuckin rock!
thanks for this beautiful depiction
of a very important subject.

and i simply love it that you
carrying yourself in your womb.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

This is such a frustrating issue because it is so complex and often based on issues of faith. I agree with most of what was said above.

@ Nothing But Me ... I appreciate you jumping in on this. Like many hot button issues, the extremes are what are usually voiced (the rhetoric), but I've always felt that most pro-lifers are like you - strongly ambivalent. What you didn't say was, despite your personal feelings, do you support legislation forcing all women to act as you would? Or do you think it's a personal thing better left for each to follow their own conscience on? (i.e. CHOICE)

As a man, my approach is necessarily different than a woman, but if my wife, daughter, or sister had to face this decision I would hope they would use abortion as the very last option. But, at the same time, I fully support her right to choose no matter how cavalier or torn she may be in choosing it, and I wouldn't hold her in less esteem afterward. If it turns out to have been a huge mistake, then it's hers to deal with. (That's where the pre-counseling mentioned earlier comes in.) As something based on issues of faith, the government should keep their nose out of it...!!!!

And abstinence-only eduacation...???? That's a joke. That's akin to having your driver's education teacher hold back from the dangers and techniques of driving over the speed limit. Just Don't Do It doesn't cut it. [.note to self: get a better analogy.]

My two sense, anyway.
jb
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Panda Cat Baby ★ says:

this is so brilliantly executed, both in image and words...i struggle myself to explain just why i'm pro-choice...no one wants to see a baby die...no woman enjoys having a life take out of her body by such means...and though the reasons for it being necessary to some vary, the choice is ours...we own our bodies, we can't have someone else take away such a powerful choice from us because this is a step to larger things if it does...

McCain and Palin scare me, and i've never felt that way about anyone before that i didn't know...this election is different from others and i shudder at the idea of what will happening if Obama doesn't win...
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

isisunvled says:

Brava.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

adayinthelife says:

Well put, thank you.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

Jerry B - I think after a little more thought.. I came up with this:

I think in most cases (like those concerning blatant irresponsibility), abortion is just wrong. Just like in driving.. you do something stupid, you suffer the consequences (and so do others around you). And I wish everyone agreed with me. (Don't we all?)

But... for our country... it doesn't make sense, does it? Our country represents a place of freedom... where we can make our own choices to suit ourselves. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It's kind of a hedonistic place.. and that doesn't always work.. it promotes selfishness, really.. a demon that's *really* hard to overcome in my own experience...

My point is... it seems like a country like ours should end up as a pro-choice nation. It just goes along with the spirit of our country. But... I can't vote that way because I'm not exactly happy with the selfishness in our country. I don't like our Babylonian culture that worships only beauty, youth, and wealth. I think eventually it'll lead to the end of us.. as it has other nations/empires in the past. You really can't have freedom without boundaries. It's finding balance that's so hard.. and it's what we're working out as a people right now. Where's the line? Well, it's in a different spot for all of us. So, whatever the majority says.. that's what we'll go with. May not end up being right.. but it's how we're set up to operate.

I'm one who believes life begins at conception.. because at that moment, something changes. A lot of things change. That's why I'd weep at even an early miscarriage, even if I wasn't wanting to get pregnant. It was my baby. I'd have lost a life. So when someone selfishly makes the choice to end that life because they just don't want it.. they don't want to go through the pregnancy and carry the baby long enough to give it up for adoption. That eats me up. You can't jump off a bridge and expect not to get hurt. I think that's why the abstinence education is so good. This is what happens when you have sex - STDs.. babies.. emotional heartbreak. This is what is protected when you abstain - purity, innocence, physical and emotional health, relationship with your future spouse. Psh. If you can't control yourself.. find other ways to take care of it till you're married and you can *handle* the consequences (baby).

Well it's never been that easy... We're all selfish. Right? (heck, there are all kinds of illegitimate children in the Bible! Even from biblical heroes like David!) .. but when I start to feel like abortions done for completely selfish reasons are murder.. I have to think about what's worse in my mind. Legalized murder? Or irresponsible people making stupid choices... making more stupid choices and getting hurt for it. And what about those whose choice it wasn't to get pregnant? Like rape victims? Heal.. and give a life to someone who couldn't do it on her own. Let it be part of that healing process.

I guess.. to answer your question.. abortion is wrong enough to me.. that I don't think women should get to choose to end another human life that in my mind has already begun. It's her body that's feeding that life.. but in most cases.. it's her actions that put it there. Now she gets to grow up. And I already expressed... if it wasn't a choice of her own that got it there.. then she can turn a really dreadful and hurtful thing into an amazing gift.

I don't want people to hurt..but there will always be circumstances that push the boundaries of what we each believe... when humanity fails I have the joy of turning to God.. knowing that He's got it all under control. It may not make sense to me.. it may even seem contradictory to God's character. I just remind myself to trust.. have faith.. to really believe in God's sovereignty and give up what I think is right for what is God. Because God really does know better than me.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Zélie! says:

I think that abortion should be taken very seriously. However, I am without a doubt pro-choice.

Go Obama!

and go Brigid, for continually bringing up these kinds of issues in your [amazing] photos.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

SaylaMarz says:

I love you. It's always amazing to hear you voice your opinions. At the core, we seem to feel the world in the exact same way, but somehow we express those beliefs in entirely different opinions.

I agree that abortion shouldn't become a means of birth control, but when I look at the statistics, women simply do not go in for repeat abortions. It's a harrowing, painful procedure, both physically and emotionally. Nobody wants to have to make that choice, and women who are educated in means of birth control will do everything in their power to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

But. Not all teenagers are mentally capable of choosing abstinence. In addition to the hormonal overdrive of teenage years, teenage brains are still not fully formed, and have a grossly undersized pre-frontal cortex. This is the part of the brain that can assess consequences and control impulses. So, depending on where they are at in their growth, many teenagers are literally controlled by their hormones and do not have the mental capacity to stop themselves from choosing sex. This is why contraceptive and safe-sex education is monumentally important - we need to acknowledge that sex will happen, and give those children who are having sex the tools to be safe while they're being reckless.

In my ideal world, there would be no abortion....but that's just not realistic.

But there are too many what-ifs. What about health? What about non-viable fetuses? What about drug addictions? What about rape - when a woman has been so thoroughly violated, is it really anyone else's place to judge how she handles her situation and copes?

When it comes down to it, there are infinite reasons why a woman cannot keep her child. I can't judge anyone's situation from the outside. The world just isn't that black and white.

And that's why people are Pro-Choice. Because, even though I am pro-life (No Caps), I have to acknowledge the infinite exceptions to the rule, and entrust the women in those situations with enough respect to believe that they'll make the right decision.

I agree with you that adoption should be a more acceptable option. We as a society need to embrace women who are fulfilling their pregnancies, whether or not they're keeping their children.

And, as suggested, we need to improve social services that financially and emotionally support pregnant women in need. (if you didn't read what he detailed above, you should really scroll back up!!)

I would love to eliminate the need for abortion in our society....but until we as a culture are taking responsibilities for these unplanned pregnancies, we have absolutely no grounds to try to tell a woman how to handle them.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

raisinsawdust says:

What does the word "fundamental" mean in his often used phrase "fundamental change" - is that like changing from capitalism to socialism or from Christianity to islam? I'd be very careful about this election. Toss out the emotion and approach this with logic.

As far as your being pro-abortion, I can only think of a few cases where abortion should be used - rape, incest or life/death of the women - all other cases are death for the baby - The big issue is the public financing of the majority of hte abortions performed - if a person wants to kill a baby don't make me pay for it

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Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

That Damn Redhead says:

You weren't kidding about the long comments!!

I love this picture. Love love love it. I might put it on my wall in my new apartment! :)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

"At the core, we seem to feel the world in the exact same way, but somehow we express those beliefs in entirely different opinions."

You're SO right Bree! How do we do that??
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Sailor.Dave says:

Wonderful photo, excellent summary of a major hot-topic.

One of my favorite encounters was a bumper-sticker, on the back of the car belonging to an Episcopal Priest:

"Prayerfully, Pro-Choice".

Great job!

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Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

spring_peeper says:

Very powerful!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

@Nothing but Me:

A good statement of position. I am curious however how you would process my mothers decision. Her life was not at risk, altho her baby was unviable and if she carried to term she would be left with a stillborn and no chance for a second try.

I, like B, dream of a perfect world, where abortions are unnecessary, where all people are loved and accepted for who they are, where what matters is not the color of skin, the name one chooses to call the allmighty, or whom one falls in love with, but that the important thing is the strength of character one possesses. To me, one cannot legislate to this by banning behavior we do not approve of. One can only through education, and then giving the same freedom of choice our creator has given us. We are flawed beings, we can and do make mistakes. We can only hope to learn from them, and to strive to a better world.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

@ Nothing but Me ... I fully appreciate your position. I believe the humaness of life (i.e. when the soul enters the body) begins at birth. In other words, to me "Life" begins at birth. With that,
- I go along with the woman's ownership of a pregnancy
- the "crime" of abortion has no victim (sounds so harsh, doesn't it)

And I absolutely believe the government should not legislate morality - but rather legislate for social controls to protect innocent citizens. No Victim - No Laws.

However, my initial point (when "life" begins) is not shared by a LOT of people, and I respect that. Given that, there certainly IS a victim, and thus the government HAS a role in protecting the victim. Because of this article of faith (neither side can prove when "life" begins) and the consequences, the abortion issue will NEVER be settled. I cannot even lobby for giving the benefit of this doubt to one side or the other. It's a tough call.

I am just refreshed by your comments, and that a Pro-Lifer and a Pro-Choicer can be relatively close in sentiment. Too bad we are so hungry for 10-second sound bites and the rhetoric that can fit in that time span. It's so divisive.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

darkspark says:

McCain is such a fool it never ceases to frustrate me.
what frustrates me more is old codgerly men thinking somehow they know what's best for a newly pregnant woman, never having been pregnant themselves.
how could they even begin to understand???
it's so stupid.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

Adjen - If I was told at my 20-week ultra-sound (or any u/s for that matter) that my baby would either be still born.. or die shortly after birth I would choose to carry the baby to term. Doctors may not give that baby a chance.. but I would. And if the docs were right and the baby was born still or died shortly after.. I would know that I gave it a shot. I did my part. And I let God move. From the time I'd have been told of my baby's doom.. to the time of death.. I would have relished in the life within me.. cherished every kick.. every hiccup.. every moment of that pregnancy. And at the time of birth.. I'd hold and meet my baby.. name him.. stroke his face.. hold his tiny fingers.. and I'd say goodbye.. I'll see you when I get Home. I'd try to focus on being thankful that he didn't have to suffer the pains of life for very long.. and I'd be thankful that I got to meet him and see his beautiful perfectly created face.
And if the doctors were wrong? And my baby lived? I'd beyond words, praising God for this miracle child. And so thankful that I didn't listen to the doctors.
I'm not saying what your mom (or what you're implying that your mom) did was wrong. She did what she thought was the right thing to do. But I know if I were in that situation and I terminated like doctors suggested.. I would always be asking "what if?"

I have a close friend who recently lost her baby at 16 weeks gestation. She delivered him on her own in her bathroom shortly after her water broke. She held him and loved on all 5.5" of him. I know that if she'd been told early on that the baby had attached to the part of her uterus that couldn't sustain a pregnancy (she has a heart-shaped uterus) .. that she would most likely lose the baby.. she would've carried him as long as he could stay. Knowing whether or not this baby would make it didn't matter.

Jerry B - The majority don't agree with my position on when life begins either. That's okay. It just means the definition of "life" is different for all of us.. and that makes sense.. I mean.. we all live differently. Right?
I'm so fascinated by my relationship with B. We disagree on just about every political issue out there. But we never argue about them or feel attacked by one another.
Maybe that's why I feel like I can comment my actual opinion on her site. She genuinely knows me, and has for a really long time. (For goodness sake.. she's the one who told me I was wearing the wrong bra size in high school!)

I've still been thinking today... is it the government's job to legislate things like this? What would the world be like if murder wasn't illegal? (Oh! But victims.. right.) What makes it the right of the government to legalize or ban gay marriage? abortion? I mean.. I vote and think the way I do because of my faith.. right? But God.. what does He think the government should have reign over?? I have my thoughts on what's right and wrong and what should and shouldn't happen.. but when should God's law become the law of a not-so-God-fearing nation?? I don't know. Until I feel otherwise.. I'll probably vote for God's law. I seriously sit here and try to picture Jesus in these times.. how would He vote? Or would He? I'm not sure they had these kinds of law issues back in the day.. I don't know. It's so confusing. Thank goodness I have a little more time to pray about this stuff.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Sweet~Vanilla says:

Do you have children ... have you been pregnant ? If you've NEVER had to make that choice then don't assume you know what you would do and how you would feel because I can guarantee you what you THINK you would do and what you ACTUALLY would be two completely different things and no amount of praying will make either decision easier.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

SaylaMarz says:

She has two baby boys :)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Sweet~Vanilla says:

Well, I'm stumped and will say no more.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

merryprankster* says:

I can always rely on you to bring up topics that get us all worked up (in a good way). This debate has been going on over HERE and im gonna stop commenting on it now, feel bad for the *crule2bekind* but is worth a look at her photo, VERY powerful.

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Seen on your photo stream. (?)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

@Nothing But Me: You would, despite full knowledge that would eliminate any other children possibilities? If so, then I cannot do anything but respect your decision and admire you for your determination.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

§• Tradewinds •§ says:

Brigid, outstanding work, as always, amazing editing. You are right on point on this subject. Pro-life is very different from pro-abortion. I am just taking a quick browse at the comments but I'll come back to reaad them in detail. Very interested on what everyone is saying in this subject.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

d.rex says:

Well said, as usual. It's so refreshing to hear Obama's views on this topic...so consistent with how I feel about it which I would describe as anti-abortion, pro-choice, and pro-compassion. It's a horribly difficult topic to "choose sides" on IMHO.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

Nothing But Me says:

Adjen - You bet! We'd adopt.. or use the "free time" to do other worthwhile things. Any future pregnancy can end in disaster.. there could be a cord accident at birth.. killing the baby.. I could hemorrhage and have an emergency hysterectomy, preventing any future biological children. If I found out sometime during the pregnancy that these things would likely happen (let's say with the same child).. would I terminate? No, I really and honestly wouldn't. I take that chance every time I get pregnant. "Knowing" what the outcome might be based on what a doctor says won't make me change my mind and terminate. Finding out in advance that my baby has down's or some other issue that would make him special needs won't make me terminate. I can grow from this experience. Growing sucks.. most of the time it's completely painful and un-fun. But you're better for it in the end and I wouldn't exchange the growth I've had in my life for anything.
I really hope I never have to experience any of these things.. I hope this isn't a way I'm forced to grow.. but if it's not this experience.. it'll be another one.

I started to write earlier and got distracted: But for your sake I'm glad your mom made the choice she did. :) I'm sure it was a sacrifice your mom didn't want to have to make.. but I bet she doesn't regret it one single bit. :) And that's awesome.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

~J~Lee~ says:

Thank you for this well-put post and photo.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

Well said. I agree 100%.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

surréaliste says:

All I have to say is, its the Conservative people who would tell a woman she can't have an abortion, yet those same people advocate the H-bomb and send men and boys to die in their thousands to war...

They're a bunch of hypocrites, they're not pro-life, make no mistake in that, they're pro-life only for the rich to hell with the rest of humanity. That's the truth of the matter. I can't think of a single Republican President who hasn't been involved in starting a war or backing or inflamming another one...

McCain is pro-life? Yeah right! He advocates more war..more Iraq's, more afghanistans, more war...heck, I wouldn't put it past him to go to war with Iran next...
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

Brigid,

Did you get to see Samantha Bee on the Daily Show the other night. She spoke about how "Women Loooooooove abortions. They'll do anything to get one....."

Classic.
jb
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

Magali Deval says:

I don't have much to add to that. it is so well said... I'm really sad when I read that in some American states, there's just one clinic in which they perform abortions and that they have to have the docs who do it flown from another state on a random day to be sure to do it safely... I mean... this sounds so 19th century to me...
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

Mona {in and out, yeah the way you like it} says:

I agree with you, wonderful photo.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

Daniel Familia says:

I agree!
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

clearly_kels says:

It also took me a long time to determine my stance on abortion.
I used to think I was pro-life. I even participated in a pro-life awareness day last year.
But in the last year or so I have accepted the same views you have.
Abortion will happen either way whether or not it is legal or illegal and safety is the most important part.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

jenn (theflyingrat) says:

Well said! That is exactly how I feel about abortion.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

You Can't Go Back In Time says:

I completely agree...
I mean....just because something is illegal doesn't mean it wont happen. And regulated abortions would be a lovely idea (so that only women who were at risk or raped or incest, etc could have them) but that would NEVER work.
I feel like if you terminate a fetus, it's better than a 5 day old baby starving to death in a trash can or being drowned etc.
and when is comes down to a mothers life whether during childbirth or because of a back alley abortion, end a life that hasn't started, or end one that is only half finished???

:D
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

lívia. says:

this image is perfect.
nice concept.
Posted 12 months ago. ( permalink )

TJphotos says:

Absolutely brilliant, theft should should be legal too. I mean poor people are always going to steal. Speeding should be legal, some people are really late. Sex at any age should be legal, people that have to get their rocks off going to do it anyway, like that 53 year old guy with his 8 year old nice.

If it comes down to the health of a woman, try to save both of them, especially the child! I've asked my wife this very question & she would give her life in a heartbeat for her unborn child, even if she was poor, living homeless, on drugs, or in a mansion.

Jesus said: Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends

If a baby was born pre-mature and the mother & baby were driving down the road with the mothers boyfriend driving. should the baby be put in the front seat (and mom ride in the back) where it's more dangerous because it wasn't supposed to be born yet anyway?
No, you would think that was sick because you can see that baby as a tangible life!

PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO STOP THINKING ABOUT THEMSELVES IF YOU WANT TO HAVE REAL HOPE!!!!! Not some political slogan.

PLEASE search the internet for abortion photos! Please!
...but don't let your kids see them, because you wouldn't want them to know what the adults in this world have been up to.

Ok, so who's going to care for these unplanned babies? (planned by God, but not by you.)

I know in my church we have COUNTLESS adoptive parents with babies from around the world, we STRONGLY support our local Pregnancy Resource Center, as well as our City Mission.

As far as prevention, We have the "Silver Ring Thing", Youth Ministries & resources to support teens in every way possible.

Even if you don't believe in God, you still have to do the research yourself to make a determination in your heart if this is life or not. Don't listen only to your church, your friends, your co-workers or your government leaders. YOU figure it out. YOU do the research. YOU search your heart.

As far as I'm concerned. IT IS LIFE! (no matter what, it's not the baby's fault or problem) it's only nine months away. Let's get together & help this new mom out, You & I can do it!

You in?
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Robin Townsend says:

I've reflected on this many times, both in the past and recently, and I absolutely agree with your opinion. It's difficult for me to say much more because I'm a photographer and words have always been an obstacle. Oh! I voted for Obama.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

jlovesh4071 says:

When I was 12 years old, 7 guys rapped me completely against my will. They impregnated me, ALL of them. Again, I was 12 years old.

Why punish the victim of rape even more, esp if they're little girls, esp if they're physically unable to carry an embryo to term? Esp since you've never been in my shoes!

As well, YOUR GOD ALLOWED THE INVENTION OF ABORTION.

Let's leave the coat hangers in the closet and not jabbeed up our vaginas down dark alley ways the way some of your mommys should have gone...
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

That Damn Redhead says:

Thanks for the religious hyperbole. I'm sure that's what the photographer really wanted and was looking forward to when she took the picture and made her brave statement. Your "silver ring thing" has been judged to be a massive failure, by the way- it's led to teens experimenting with oral and anal sex instead of standard intercourse which has, in turn, led to far more STIs than there were before.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

@TJPhotos In an ideal world, your sentiments might make sense, altho the comparison of reproductive health to theft is a stretch. Your goals might seem noble but your methods are harmful.

The problem is, if we followed your thinking, we'd be killing more mothers than saving babies. Have you ever looked into the reasons for abortions done in this country? If the practice was banned, then I, for one, would never have been born. Why do you wish for me to be dead?

Allow me to explain. I am my mothers second pregnancy. Due to a medical condition, it was recommended that she can only carry 1 child to term ever. Her first pregnancy went badly, and the child never fully developed internal organs, just a clump of cells in the general form of a human being. She made the hard decision, and ended that pregnancy rather than give a stillbirth provided it did not kill her outright should the fetus break up in-utero giving her blood poisoning. Technically she killed a baby, in your eyes. But due to that decision, she did have a baby, me. So, here I am, living proof that Abortions can bring babies into this world.

So, I ask again, why do you wish for me to be dead, because whenever I hear someone going "abortion should be banned" that is the same thing as saying "I want you dead" as, truth is, they are the same thing.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

veggie*freak says:

Sweet~Vanilla said it best for me

"If this wasn't Flickr I'd tell you how close to my heart this photo is."
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Char-7 [deleted] says:

I like the photo, but I am still against abortion. Just the thought of the procedure makes me sick to my stomach. Now, if the woman is in danger, then that is an exception. But poverty is not an excuse to abort a child. This is why abstinence is so important. Trust me, if people would wait to have sex this wouldn't be such a huge problem. I feel like people get ahead of themselves, and don't think before they make the decision to have sex in the first place. This convinced me even further:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34113580 @N04/with/3186689742/
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

Char-7 -- I am married and had sex with my husband; we used birth control. I still got pregnant. I am poor. Are you telling me that I should have just abstained from sex and that as a poor married women I should not of had sex at all because I might get pregnant? I am just not following your logic, I guess.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

aimless wonders says:

It is great to see that I am not alone in my views of this topic. I feel the same way. I love babies, but like you said, women will still have them even if they are illegal. This picture says it all. Great work, as always.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

jessecrouch says:

Population control proponents are often pro abortion. Lots of groups are selectively (discriminately) pro-abortion.

I say that as a response to your title, but also to point out that using "pro abortion" in place of "pro choice" is hugely incorrect.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

chocoricebunny says:

My God, you basically reworded everything i've said. I couldn't agree more.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

Abortion doesn't cut crimes against women - it encourages crimes against women. In Ohio right now there is a case against Planned Parenthood because of a soccer coach who raped and impregnated one of his junior high students. He took her to the abortion clinic, paid for the abortion, and Planned Parenthood failed to report the rape or notify her parents. If vicious people can simply pay for an abortion, then the evidence of their crimes is easy to wipe out - the government might even help pay for it!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

Here, have a look at what "choice" means:

www.priestsforlife.org/babydavid/abortedbaby2 9.html

www.unborn.info
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

@dovelet: By that logic, we should get rid of seatbelts as it only encourages reckless driving.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

And by the logic I have seen in earlier comments, we should also legalize drugs, since people are going to do them anyway. Believe me, that is an industry which, much like the abortion industry, will not accept regulation.

And as for the seatbelt, I think you are implying that I want to get rid of protective measures. To me, abortion is essentially destructive and has a tremendous cost beyond anything we can bear to admit and beyond any illusion of protection it might temporarily hold out.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

Forgive the cliche, but if you don't want an abortion, don't get one.
I don't want an abortion, so I didn't have one.
If Jane down the street wants one, that's her choice.

In other words, stop butting into everyone else's life and mind your own damn business. Stop policing and pawning your morals on to others.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

Life is beautful. :) And worth defending.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

@dovelet I agree, life is beautiful, and I want to protect it, hence why I am pro-choice. Read my posting far far up this thread and maybe you can understand. Abortion IS a protective measure in many (most?) cases, protecting the life of the mother. It is also a medical industry, and DOES accept reasonable regulation. (No abortions using a plunger and suction pump, for instance) That is the problem here, you can't process that it already is regulated as is any other medical proceedure. You want it politically regulated instead. Regulated not as a drug, alchohol or appendectomy is, but instead due to some political position.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

If each human took responsibility for his or her life first and foremost, humanity would be better for it. No one asked you to defend my body for me.

And yes, that's the heart of the issue - morally regulating instead of medically regulating. Should we say that transplants are wrong and stop doing those? We were once at a point where transplants were considered an act against god, but humans have moved past that notion. Humans will move past this as well.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

mrs. reed says: If each human took responsibility for his or her life first and foremost, humanity would be better for it. No one asked you to defend my body for me.

dovelet responds: The paradox of the pro-choice movement is that you have to defend your mother's right to have aborted you. On the pro-life side, we defend your right to have been born.

It's an issue of fundamental human rights. It has absolutely nothing to do with your body and everything to do with a body that might find itself - for better or for worse - inside yours. The issue is the right of a baby to be born - not to be born wanted, but to be born at all.

Why should abortion be considered a fundamental human right and not birth? Obviously it's one or the other. Which one is more important for human beings - not for women, but for human beings?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

If my mother would have aborted me, I would have been none the wiser. I would not exist and I would not be typing this message, but the world would continue on a-okay. I don't have to defend my mother's right whether to have me or not. She had the choice. She chose to have a child; hence, I am here. Had she not have chosen to give birth to a child, I would not be here. Plain and simple. I don't subscribe to the notion that with every abortion we are loosing a potential person who would go on to discover something great and wonderful. I subscribe to only what is here and now, not what could have been.

I suggest to people who are so into defending unborn potential children, to why not put that same hardcore effort and dedication into defending the children who are already here and who are hurting and who are lacking? Why not be an advocate against child abuse, sexual abuse? Providing food for children who have none? Fighting against a war that kills hundreds of children?

So, what is more important for humanity? What could have been? Or what already is?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

isisunvled says:

Well said, mrs. reed.!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

Hear hear Mrs Reed!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

In my own way I agree with you, mrs. reed. I certainly agree that defending people who are around us from injustices is not only important, but absolutely crucial. I believe abortion is a terrible injustice to us all. I am not fighting for what could have been. I mourn what ought to have been, but I am fighting for what is. That includes every child now in the womb. I could never think of a human being in the womb as a potential person. Is birth the thing that makes you a person? It makes you an American citizen, but it does not make you a person.

And as for whether or not you would have been the wiser if your mother had aborted you, if you believe in life after death, then you might also believe that a child could be aware of having been aborted after death, unless some benevolent being hid the truth.

I miss the people I would have known had they not been aborted. I miss the people who may have been my friends and influenced my life. I miss the ones whose lives may have been tough or even miserable at times, but who I do not even have a chance to help because they are no longer here. I do what I can to help the ones who are here and to prevent the same tragedy from befalling other human beings. There are far more compelling reasons to oppose abortion than simply because I miss people who were aborted. I mention it because it is a side effect of welcoming such a thing into our society, and because if you had been aborted, I would miss you, too, and so might your mother.

I don't think you have any right to imply that my focus is purely on the unborn. Abortion is not the only injustice I oppose. In fact I find that it is closely connected to many other injustices, such as incest and the sexual exploitation of women and girls. I certainly oppose these as well as the many injustices associated with poverty, exploitation of workers, child trafficking, child abuse and all the other modern uglinesses which we hear about on the news all the time. Believe me, I don't keep my mouth shut about any of them.

I also know very well that in order to help the unborn it is crucial first of all to help their mothers. To me that means helping them with all of their needs--emotional, psychological, mental, spiritual, relational AND physical. I know you can't just hand them some diapers and formula and take off. Helping a woman through an unwanted pregnancy is an enormous commitment and one that is not ever taken lightly. The limits of our ability to help lie first of all with the women themselves, plenty of whom refuse help, and second, with caregiving organizations who are short on staff, volunteers, money and resources. It seems infinitely more popular these days to abandon a woman who is pregnant or advise her to get an abortion rather than to take up the substantial task of helping her to the natural end of her pregnancy. Those doing the caregiving receive little support from those shirking responsibility (the fathers of the children and others who could provide support). It seems to me that pro-choicers are not really helping this situation. Pro-choicers spend a lot of time advocating for one choice only, which is not helpful for a woman in need who wants to keep her baby. Many people put tax dollars towards ending other people's pregnancies without making any concrete effort to help or even encourage someone who refuses that particular choice. What do you do to support women in making other choices--BEFORE they end up at the abortionist?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

@dovelet - I happen to agree with the title of this shot (No One is Pro-Abortion), and I take great exception to your protrayal of pro-choicers advocating for only one choice. Nobody I know advocates for abortion (although I'm sure there are some exceptions to that "rule"). I think it's patently unfair to use such a broad brush here.

I disagree with your assertion that the soul enters the baby in the womb, but we could argue that all day long. I respect your opinion, but I feel that my opinion is not respected (e.g. prolifer's attempts to legislate my viewpoint out of existence).

I believe in eternal life, and also believe in reincarnation. If a soul does not arrive in a baby that doesn't go to term, then it arrives elsewhere. And I believe each of us enters a life with full knowledge of the circumstances and challenges that lie ahead - even, yes, that lost opportunity of an aborted baby.

I would never advocate abortion first - always last (and hopefully never). I would not mourn the baby not born (see above), but I would mourn the tourturous self-doubt that mother might impose on herself in the future. To me that's the tragedy in an abortion situation, but I've also seen (and experienced) tragedy in having children. Such is life.

But, then, I believe we know all that before we come to this world.

Peace.
jb
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

dovelet says:

jb - You said "...I take great exception to your protrayal of pro-choicers advocating for only one choice. Nobody I know advocates for abortion (although I'm sure there are some exceptions to that "rule"). I think it's patently unfair to use such a broad brush here."

I deeply appreciate the peaceful tone of your entire message. But I must point out a few things, having read it. First of all, I think what you are actually objecting to is my use of an extremely narrow brush with which to paint pro-choicers. I think you would rather see me use a broader one to encompass the wide spectrum of opinions that pro-choicers have on the subject of abortion. Correct me if I'm wrong on that point.

Second, I would like to know what you are advocating in this message besides abortion. Speaking in support of a woman's right to choose abortion fits my definition of advocating for abortion. When I speak of "advocating" I am not talking about what people support internally with their ideals and beliefs, but what they support externally with their voices, volunteering, and other visible action in the community. I don't mean to imply that all pro-choicers believe that abortion is the best choice or the only choice. But they advocate that it should be a choice. Therefore, when they speak out about the issue, unfailingly they are advocating for abortion, as in, they are for abortion rather than against it.

If this is untrue, then please explain to me how pro-choicers are not advocates for abortion, and if they are not, I am curious what it is they are advocating. "Right to choose" appears to refer only to the woman's right to choose abortion. What other choices does the pro-choice movement actively advocate?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

I don't think in terms of "If your not for me, your against me." There is a middle ground. I'm aginast abortion for me (easy to say - I'm male LOL). But if someone I know or love chooses to have an abortion, I don't think it would be a sin and shouldn't be illegal. And who am I to say it would have even been unwise (for that person).

But there are many pro-choicers who CHOOSE to NOT have an abortion. So there you have it. A pro-choicer choses to NOT have an abortion. Does that explain it....???
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

sarah. reed. says:

jerry-b. That's the kind of pro-choice'er I am. As a pro-choice person, I had the choice to carry my two children to term. And I choose to do so, and I am happy they are here.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

{.jerry-b.} says:

thanks for the tag-team tag, sarah.
Right on...!!!!!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Adjen says:

I always think of it this way, if you cannot trust the woman to carry the child to term, how can you trust her to raise that child, hmm?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Molly Monochrome says:

Finally someone who sees it my way. thank you. Great image too ;)
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

elasmotherium says:

I am pro - abortion
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

Exey Panteleev says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Bikini design, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

tandito says:

most of politicians are male, and they decide on a issue that concern women ...
i am Pro Choice
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

Luminous Light Huntress says:

Great concept and excellent points!
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

Alinabina says:

i dont agree with you (i'm pro-life, please dont bash me), but i do respect your opinion. this is a lovely image, and i think it's great that your posting pictures about what you believe.
Posted 3 months ago. ( permalink )

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