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beauty = truth, etc. by romanlily.
I picked up a great many things in my years in the Christian church. There are still wholly formed passages of Scripture floating around in the back corridors of my brain, unsung hymns with lovely melodies that bring tears to the eyes. There are also many logical arguments living in my brain on expired leases. The Teleological argument, the Cosmological argument, the Ontological argument. Their business cards are still here in my purse.

I was trained vigorously in these arguments in the philosophy course I took in college. Twelve years later, every time I start flirting with a religious framework that does not center around the very particular conservative Christian system of sacrifice and atonement I was trained in, Teleo, Cosmo, and Onto pop up, look over my shoulder nervously. "Are you sure you want to do that?" "I'm thinking you might regret that eventually."

For a brief passage early in the decade, my then-husband and I attended elaborate Christian apologetics courses at night. We would drive to a big church on the other side of town and listen to heady lectures delivered by well-educated professors on the validity of the Christian message. We took notes in the notebooks they provided us. They talked a lot about "the inherent dignity of man," which is a beautiful belief, one I deeply miss now that I have stepped away from the Christian ecosystem it lives in. It's good to have a belief system that honors the anonymous moments of suffering and sadness that each person endures.

What I'm wondering now is who's still around when Teleo, Cosmo, and Onto finally fall asleep. Can I invite the "inherent dignity of man" over for tea? The logicians are so severe. They are made of bone. There is no muscle in them, no heart. I don't want a belief system that adores my brain and ignores my body. I want to believe something that makes my chest hurt. In a good way.

I've been scratching about this issue for quite a while in my journal. A few weeks ago, I wrote this question in the margins of my journal. And yeah, it's sort of an ontological argument, I suppose. But so far, I can't answer the question, and that's okay with me. 

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Elizabeth Taylor  Pro User  says:

this is so incredibly beautiful in all respects...visually and verbally. thank you for sharing this. you always impress me with your graceful candor...it is a very delicate balance you achieve.

these same questions are questions I wrestle with too and your account reminds me of the rilke quote i carry everywhere with me:

"have patience with everything unresolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves as if they were locked rooms or books written in a very foreign language."
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morganthemoth  Pro User  says:

This is so nicely written. "Arguments living on expired leases" indeed. I found it easier back when my sense of scientific absolutism could stand in perfectly for religion. Now there are uneasy gaps. But whenever I flirt with religion I'm reminded of that sense of human privelege which informs all the major religions.

Anyway, yours is very well expressed.
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j david  Pro User  says:

more Rilke: ...live the questions...
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strph  Pro User  says:

How interesting.
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*sean says:

the beauty of your words and photographs amazes me.
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Pesi  Pro User  says:

powerful image, and beautiful words...touching in many ways!!
Posted 41 months ago. ( permalink )

Lisa Joyce [deleted] says:

Very heady questions, those are. Probably one of the big reasons I am not a member of any kind of organized religion- too many barriers and buts. Your photo is, as always, beautiful!
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brandonrhodes  Pro User  says:

You're neat.
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chadmiller  Pro User  says:

It's so refreshing to find a person who talks about ideas, rather than be limited to talking about things or (*sigh*) other people.

I wish I could help answer the question in the photograph's subject. This text box is too tiny to make an attempt, and I think you're too far away to try it in meatspace. Please allow my humble attempt:

The trio of beauty, truth, and intimacy make it seem like a hard question. I can only suggest that it might help if they weren't bound together with slashes as if they must share a common fate.

Inherent Dignity is indeed a beautiful idea, but I'm not sure that truth is beauty and beauty is truth. Beware of Grecian urns, as this one may have enemy ideas waiting to leap out when everyone's asleep. Truth may sometimes be Beautiful, but I'm sure anyone can think of counterexamples of Beauty necessarily being Truth. (I'm even wary of capitalizing them.) I suppose and propose that the only dignity is what we, our minds as observers and participants, instill in man. If there's meaning, I think it has to come from us.

In any case, I hope you find what you're looking for.
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just ipernity can do it... [deleted] says:

i love it..perfect handwriting...the person who writes this could be my other half
remember DR WAYNE DYER
"When you change the way you look at things the things you look at change"
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Kevbo  Pro User  says:

Wonderful words. Never stop thinking. Please?

Oh yeah, my Roman Catholic/Christian past and education has an eternal hold on me like an overdue library book or a proverbial case of herpes.

In the land of the logicians, you get to decide for yourself what is beautiful and that which makes your chest ache. It's exhilarating and exciting to have that freedom to form your own aesthetic interpretations. Truth might be immutable in the form of numbers and subatomic particles but there is infinite pleasure to be found in objective truth's derivatives... if you continue seeking it. The search is the thing.

Being more logical doesn't mean setting aside curiosity or a search for truth and beauty.

Often apart from the dictates of religion and some but not all modes of spirituality, an occasionally terrifying but much greater new landscape unfolds before you. It's a landscape where you beat your own trail, the potential end of which is most likely more satisfying than where one could arrive wholly by a roadmap of scriptures and closed systems of arguments.

Apologetics are very interesting but, as in the case of Christianity, sadly too subservient to the school of thought they intend to shore up. C.S. Lewis' apologetics are wonderfully sculpted prose but part of a whole of circular thought in the end, I've always thought.

Can you tell I'm and atheist/agnostic/free-thinker? I'm rather wearing it on my sleeve here but I don't mean to come across as dimunitizing your state of thought and the path you've been on. (diminishing? belittling? anyway...)

I understand the warmth of that ecosystem that you so aptly labeled. It remains alluring no matter how much time passes. It's part of being human and some people never think their way forward onto more complex worlds.... that as I said above, perhaps truly contain truth and beauty.

I discover I can still find words that speak to my suffering and sadness. They come from other people, works of art, pieces of music, shared experiences, entering communities be they virtual or physical, centuries and centuries of humanity encased in literature. It's there I assure you.

There can be more hard work to a life outside of one's philosophical comfort zones. I know that for certain. It is daunting to many and they unfortunately retreat to unthinking states and fret at perceived insignificance in the world of logicians. But you can realize the glorious freedom that can be had by taking philosophical risks and staring into an abyss... Swinging on a tightrope is much more thrilling and more of an achievement without a safety net, to put it in circus parlance.

Let those styles of argument from your philosophy class continue to do battle in your head. You don't have to sign a contract with one of them in blood. They are truly tools and ways of analyzing things. They are best when they do look over your shoulder and supplement your questioning nature.

Welcome to a new frontier and limitless possibilities. The road can be bumpy still but you may see far greater sights along the way than you ever expected you could.

I can't possibly answer all your questions or sooth all your insecurities but I can advise you once more, to never stop thinking.
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Pragmatik  Pro User  says:

The German Phenomenologist Max Scheler offers a philosophy of the person that can exist viably without the Christian (Catholic) framework that he thought of it residing in. He talks about it in several texts, but Man's Place in Nature is a great place to start. It's out of print, but copies can usually be found online for $5-$10.
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Vickykc  Pro User  says:

I would give a lot to read that journal of yours. You are an amazing writer.
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arturlr  Pro User  says:

I like the composition and beautiful words.
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Paulo Sacramento  Pro User  says:

Keep the faith, dont let it go. Im studying History in college and share some of the same challenges you have written.
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Judah B says:

Just wanted to let you know I am still swamped - but hope to reply to your last fantastic letter soon. Reading this makes me miss our conversations of old.

(PS: Did I miss the proverb about herpes? Some Liberal Arts education I received!)
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noël/violet [deleted] says:

i had to google "moleskine" thinking it was some branch of theology/philosophy that was not covered in my 2 (yes, 2) courses of logic at good ole' b.c.
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wild goose chase  Pro User  says:

tangled up in words that mean nothing to me- but the image says more than a 1000 words- simply beautiful.
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originalmulli (naomi)  Pro User  says:

You have a beautiful command of words - and such patience to explain this to us so fully. =)

Your desire for a belief system that goes beyond the brain and includes that good pain in the chest goes along with my belief that such questions can't ever be fully decided by logical argument or 'proof,' but HAVE to be judged more spiritually. Of all the religions or 'ologies' we've experienced or studied, which actually brings us happiness? That's what we're after in the end, and it can't be purely an academic discovery.

The fact that you're searching is the most hopeful thing. It's a blessing in itself to know that there is something to be found.
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Nachosan  Pro User  says:

beutifully captured
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Amelia PS  Pro User  says:

great writer, great photographer: what an alchemic combination
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michele pedrolli says:

Bello scatto e bella calligrafia!
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canardo  Pro User  says:

Can I invite the "inherent dignity of man" over for tea?

Sure you can invite it over. But as chadmill says, "If there's meaning, I think it has to come from us."

Too true. There is meaning, definitely, and it comes only from us. There is dignity of man, though I don't know how inherent it is. Perhaps it derives from the struggle we all find ourselves in.

Good luck with your struggle.
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Iweczek says:

WordMingle, a social vocabulary building tool, pulled this picture for the word Atonement
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wsarettaw [deleted] says:

You're invite to post your photo in Gruppo Monaci Amanuensi =)
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jackals says:

lovely shot
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stanislav.smirnov says:

amazing
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taranoel  Pro User  says:

"... if there is meaning it has to come from us"
i like that seemingly obvious statement ..
yet profoundly important...
each person takes meaning where they will
truth can be beautiful
truth can be painful
truth can be intimate
one person's truth is not necessarily anothers
searching, thinking, considering more than one truth...
new truth...and not imposing one's truth to quickly on another...
this is freedom and dignity we can give ourselves and others
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charliestyr  Pro User  says:

You have really lovely writing, cool photo :-)
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nikiya2789  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Hand Writing, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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sere_sca  Pro User  says:



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Joely kellard says:

that's realy intresting :)
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l.traube says:

Ciao, sono amministratore di un gruppo chiamato Write me!. Ci farebbe piacere aggiungere le tuo foto al gruppo.
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JTrandall1  Pro User  says:

1 corinthians 1:19--For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

I encourage you to rest and KNOW the Lord reigns and that He is our almighty comforter. 2 corinthians 1:3-7

I hope you find God in your searching, he is right there waiting! :) Beautiful image nonetheless.
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Dead Air  Pro User  says:

Hi! Your photo matches our theme this week in the Weekly Theme Photography Group! You are cordially invited to post your photo to the group next to the other images that contain this theme.

This Week's Theme is Logic!
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erin darcy {artist}  Pro User  says:

Hi I'm admin for Hidden Messages: a little bird told me, and we would love to have your image (and message) added to our group!
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etarip8x says:

Theres the spark..
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lost_in_the_world says:

I enjoy coming across the photos that speak to me :D
this interests me, quite a lot.

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Flooooppy says:

simplicity always talk by her self. love the shot :D
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MCATTYK  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Flickr University - A Place For College Students, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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{ania} [deleted] says:

very creative! well done! :)
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