The Web is Agreement

amyvdh    says:

Wow! excellent. TimBL made a similar sort ofmap on Web History/Future.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

hah! great minds, er, scratch that - TimBL's is far saner :-)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Tom Morris    says:

When I get my Ph.D from RDF University, I'm going to go and help free the unfortunate residents of the City of Walled Gardens, and try to help people in the Tower of WS-Babel, lest they start suffering from WS-Void (the condition whereby one feels a deep existential void over the ever-increasing number of WS-* standards). That said, the Cave of Taxonomies is not at all bad.

Since we have a Mordor, one has to wonder exactly what the Ring is.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

"One OS to rule them all, and in the trusted platform, bind them"
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Tom Morris    says:

Oh yes, the Trusted Platform - TCPA, Palladium etc. Good to see that rolled together with a bit of DRM, the BBC are pretty much buying into that line of nonsense.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Kevin Lawver    says:

That's fantastic! When can I get a print? 8)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

dariosalvelli says:

Wow, great work!!! ;)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Kevin Lawver    says:

I yanked the original size and screwed around in photoshop with it (cropped, sharpened... couldn't straighten out the corners). Here's the result. I'd love to get a good blown up version of this for my wall... any industrial giant scanners at BT? 8)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

If I had my time again, I'd use brighter paper. I'll clean up the image and think on a poster print run. Watch this space!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

unripegreenbanana    says:

Great work!!!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Robb1e    says:

there be dragons...
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

juhansonin    says:

Rock on!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

jmason    says:

love it. btw you may be interested to find out that the Ruins Of CORBA are quite appropriately composed, since Iona's Orbix -- one of the first CORBA implementations -- was originally called Dolmen...
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

nigelpepper    says:

Awesome. 5 copies of this have gone up in the office. Big love to PSD!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

appelquist    says:

Brilliant!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Farhan Mannan says:

Awesome. A typo:

Under construction: Semanitc Web Superhighway

Under construction: Semantic Web Superhighway

Phillie Casablanca    says:

Wow! 11,533 views! Where is all this traffic coming from???
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Thanks Farhan, I also misspelt "Sphere" and TiddlyWiki isn't clear. Will fixup, scan at super high resolution and post it to flickr tomorrow. Watch this space!

BTW, the traffic seems to becoming from Reddit, which also has some great comments. "The workings of a madman" ;-)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

fjglynn says:

Way cool. I'm inspired. Thanks!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

tantek    says:

@psd well done. and FWIW, I think your map is a lot more sane than that w3.org one.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

euripedies    says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Bar Doodles, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

blmurch    says:

This is fantastic!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Kevin Lawver    says:

A madman? Does that make you The Unadoodler?
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Phil Hawksworth    says:

Paul, you're a legend. This is awesome! I could spend ages studying it. Looking forward to getting a huuuuge version up on the wall in the office.

@Kevin, this was printed at something near A0 and put up on a stand at a BT event today.

Great work PSD!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Mostly bemused by the negative comments on the metafilter pay-site. Lighten up - it's just a bit of fun - an illustrated mind-map used in a discussion around standardisation and collaboration on the Web. Enjoy, or ignore it. Whatever!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

donkeyontheedge    says:

well, I'm inspired. Fantastic work!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

jmason    says:

Metafilter is always a patronising whingefest. best ignored...
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

High quality scan (A2 PDF) now on Archive.org: www.archive.org/details/TheWebIsAgreement
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

my left's : your right    says:

that was quick work! up online already.
was nice meeting you today man.

all the best

hank (expocentric)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Thanks Hank! and thanks to the great guys over at expocentric who liked it so much they did the scan for free! (I made a small donation to the poppy fund)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

michele paolino says:

thanks, it's very nice!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

enda_001    says:

I agree!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

ComputerHotline    says:

Hello
www.flickr.com/groups/wikimedia_commons/
and tag it with thiese words :
dessin draw

--
http://creativecommons.org/ (?)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

The poster was used by The Guardian, nice!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Jayel Aheram    says:

Love it.

Intellectual Property seems to be an absurd idea.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Robb1e    says:

trackback: blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/10/31/op ensocial_are...
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

kopretinka    says:

way cool, I'll show this to my Web Engineering students and maybe give bonus points for insightful analysis 8-)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Wow! this has now been viewed 40,000 times in less than 60 hours, and faved by 104 people! Andrew summerised our collective amazement well. I plan to roll the notes into a post on my blog, but in the meantime, thanks for the kind messages both here, around on the Web and as email. Much appreciated!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

JP likes the poster: Of Sacred Cows and Barbecues
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Pam Rosengren    says:

Love it! And blogged it here. I found it via a post on the Association of Internet Researchers mailing list - so it is getting around.

I'm not a programmer, so I can't participate in much discussion about Open Source. But I believe that Open Source community platforms will need to be developed, so we can have the option of usig non-proprietary public spaces on the web in which we can share our ideas and creativity.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

Meta Nick says:

Brilliant Paul. Here's my brief post about it. I agree that the folks at metafilter need to lighten up. Sheesh.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Video of printing the poster
Posted 24 months ago. ( permalink )

dgbdgb    says:

Magic - I love the poster
Posted 24 months ago. ( permalink )

Beatnic    says:

Genius!
Posted 24 months ago. ( permalink )

padacek    says:

:-) nice and informative, our new academic poster on the wall in the office!

-- KEG
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

tinythoughts says:

it was really great meeting you at le web, seeing the poster, getting a tiddlywiki, and hearing your thoughts as well as those of your team. i'm still amazed. thank you. :-)
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

tsevis    says:

Very interesting approach.
Cool illustration too.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

I'll be talking about the poster at Open Tech, 5th July 2008, London.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

LoopZilla    says:

I am listening, honest!
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

ravenglassrentals says:

Horrible hangover from MMORPGs and insidious opensource geek culture imposed on what should be a free system, under the guise of fake "openness".

Um, Tom Morris, no one needs you to "free" them from walled gardens. A genuinely free system will have a range of systems from walled to "open," -- it's not really "open" if you cannot also have closed sections, which are necessary to protect property value and economies, as in Second Life.

Prokofy Neva

WoW and other games will not be moving to opensource any time soon, as they rely on the walled nature of their code to maintain the integrity of the world and its internal economy. And that's ok.

The nasty implications of saying "intellectual property" is an oxymoron lets us know of the extremist copyleftism at work here.

Tag clouds? It's an infestation. Sprinkle some vinegar around, maybe the damn thing will go away by morning.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Interesting comments Prokofy! I agree you need some constraints, even to be free, and I'm not cool enough to open up "everything", such as my bank account.

Guess we'll have to wait and see which lives longest - more closed worlds such as Second Life or more open worlds, of which many examples fill The Web, but it seems entirely possible WOW and SL will both continue to open up, both their software and data, to continue to make money.

You don't need to be a closed, walled garden, to make money on the Web, and my view is, as we go forward, closed and proprietary software systems will die off.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

jjacek    says:

Cute, geeky, and funny! The penwork could use some practice (keep it up!), but the concept is great. :-)
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

ravenglassrentals says:

psd, it's such a shill to imagine that you can make money from opensource.

The only people who make money from opensource work it like this:

"Your information wants to be free. Mine is available only for a consulting fee, however."

Stop thinking about the fantasy and the "idea" of "making money from opensource" and cite me some real, concrete examples that don't depend on the obfuscation factor, i.e. that somebody codes an OS thing that in fact turns out to be so wonky and difficult that it constantly needs a consultant to run it. The OS then is merely a loss-leading to buy the consultant who relies on keeping it obfuscated -- which indeed it is even being "open" to other coders who at best, might only obfuscate it more. The average user will continue to find it impenetrable.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

I applaud your cynicism and agree in one part: complexity and obfuscation is just as much a lock-in as licensing and closed-source. But experience of using Open Source is when things go bad or wrong, they fork. That's harder when you are tied to the direction of a single supplier.

I don't think you can make money *from* opensource, but to use Cluetrain speak, you can make money *because* of the freedoms and opportunities open source introduces into the ecosystem.

Examples abound, Yahoo! Google and Amazon make significant sums because of the Web and Open Source, and the open contributions they make.

For me spending money on contributing to an open source OS, Database, or CRM system is a far better use of a commercial and tax payers money than buying, and locking your company into proprietary closed source software and tying yourself to their road-map.

Much of the poster is about the uniformity and open, free to use, often informal standardisation that forms the basis of the Web and it's innovations, and the way that is constantly evolving through continuous lightweight widespread conversation and feedback only possible in an open environment. Without open source, royalty free ideas and "view source" we wouldn't have a web, just a series of vendor specific, glossy but non-interoperable, bulletin boards.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

jmason    says:

yep; as psd says, the open source work creates an ecosystem in which there are money-making opportunities. That's what happened with one of my open source projects; we made a commercial version with proprietary value-add, which was commercially viable. Works for me!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

"WoW and other games will not be moving to opensource any time soon"

I'm not sure about WoW, but Second Life are amazingly Open and are moving to an Open Source model - see the OpenSimulator project and Second Life Wikipedia pages.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

As of today, this crossed the 76,000 flickr views mark and is has been favorited 229 times. Wow! Thanks all!
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

A follow-up poster, "The URI Is The Thing":


Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

wmrandth says:

Nicely done. JRRT liked invented languages, I'm sure he'd get the joke.

We printed it out on big paper and it sits on the staff round table. The staff are working on coloring it with a box of crayons ...
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Whoa, coloured in sounds cool! Be great if you shared a photo of that!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

wmrandth says:

Paul,

We have finally finished coloring the poster with crayons and everyone had a great deal of fun doing it -- and it lead to a lot of questions about the details of all those acronyms -- almost made me feel good to be an old veteran.

Here is a link to our page about it and in there is a link to some close up details we put on our image collections site, which has a viewer that let's you zoom in on the details.

Thanks so much - it was a great learning experience for our staff and students.

Randy
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

Randy,

Wow! Thanks for posting the photos, and the results are great! Looks like you all had a great time! I particularly like the scrolls on the banner at the bottom!

Paul
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

psd    says:

I've blogged about Randy's colouring and the poster appearing in this month's Libros De Mexico:


Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Iban Nieto    says:

AWESOME work!!
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

Bogota Colombia says:

congrats dud !!

two
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )