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Nikons vs. Canons

 
Nikon D40x
Canon EOS 400D/Digital Rebel XTi
Nikon D300
Canon EOS 40D
Nikon D3
Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III
Aka Eos Kiss X
The best
21 megapixel :D
I can't decide between these two! does anyone know how to help?
Mega diffraction!! lol
Hassie h3 has 50 MP and...? :-)
Ugly as sin.
Looks like a spaceship.
and you're just another silly fanboy, aren't you?
Not at all. Both Nikon and Canon make amazing cameras. I just think the D3 is ugly. The body isn't very streamline like the 1DsIII
jarrod, the only strimlined cameras are nikons and always were. canon's designers are bit behind ergonomy wise. i use both of them and i know which one i prefer, but it has nothing to do do with with my opinion. nikons are only cameras designed for a pro, even i like both
Nikons vs. Canons by penmachine.
THIS COLLAGE IS OUT OF DATE. NOTES AND COMMENTS ON IT ARE NOW CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO THE NEWER COLLAGE. THANK YOU.

UPDATED 7 JAN 2009: I have created a much updated and expanded version of this image, which includes the current Nikon and Canon DSLRs as of January 2009, as well as competing models from Sony/Minolta, Olympus, Panasonic/Leica, and Pentax, as well as others. You may wish to check that out instead. See my blog post too.

Publicity photos © 2007 Nikon and Canon. Relative sizes are not exact. Top left camera costs about $650, with lens. Lower right camera costs about $8000, no lens. See the blog post I wrote about them.

The top row of this image became obsolete as early as February 2008, since Canon introduced the Rebel XSi (a.k.a. the 450D) and Nikon the D60. As of later in 2008, Canon replaced the 40D with the 50D. There are also the new D700 from Nikon, and the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, which replaced the original full-frame 5D. 
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ekrupa94 says:

Here's what I think...
Row 1- Nikon
Row 2- Canon
Row 3- Canon
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'd get the Nikons, but that's because those are the lenses I have.
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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eastbutton says:

no no no...
row 1- canon
row2- canon
row99-nikon
hehe
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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CK'sPhoto says:

I'm scared of the 40d over the D300 because the friggin 40d is everywhere.. it seems so mass produced it's bound to be built cheaper in the end.. I'm probably wrong but maybe build is what really seperates the D300 and 40D
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I think there are three reasons that are unlikely to have anything directly to do with manufacturing quality:

(a) The 40D has been available longer (Canon generally makes cameras available right after they announce them; Nikon tends to pre-announce so you have to wait).

(b) Canon generally sells more cameras than Nikon anyway.

(c) The D300 is a more expensive camera ($1800+), not directly competing with the 40D ($1300) but fitting more between it and the Canon 5D ($2400+) in the overall marketplace.
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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Dan Nelsonn says:

Heres my opinion...

Row 1- Canon (i own the 400D)
Row 2- nikon
Row 3- Canon
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

There's a good analysis of the latest Canon and Nikon DSLRs at Luminous Landscape.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

dude the 40D compares to the D80, the D200/300 compares to the 5D
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

See my comment above -- I think Canon and Nikon have fitted their cameras (especially at the higher end) in between each other's models. At least for now.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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ALtammar Q8 says:

what is the top Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III
or nikon d3
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

D3 is faster and has more features but 1Dsmk3 has higher pixel count other than that they're almost the same
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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telwink  Pro User  says:

Let me give my two cents on this one ...

I own the 40D, so with that said ...

Row 1 - Canon
Row 2 - Nikon
Row 3 - Canon

Reason I say Row 2 is Nikon, is because just like penmachine says, the D300 is an incredible camera which sort of fits in a category between the 40D and the 5D, so you can't exactly compare the D300 and the 40D if you're not taking price into consideration. Taking price-for-features&quality into consideration, I'm a 40D-man.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'm speculating (likely for PMA at the end of the month, if not earlier) that we might now see a Nikon D90, and Canon just announced the new 450D/Rebel XSi, so this picture is already out of date.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

HutDockZ [deleted] says:

Nikon win all!! lol
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Brendan McCue~ says:

in all rows the person behind the camera wins!!
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Abdulellah  Pro User  says:

is it true that colors in Nikon SLRs are richer than Canon ones ????
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Depends on the model and which settings you use. Each camera has some sort of "vivid" mode for colour reproduction. The new Nikon D300 and D3 apparently do a better job of that, but the advantage is always temporary as the competing manufacturers bring out new models. At the lower end I don't think there's much difference.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Abdulellah  Pro User  says:

thanks
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I finally had a chance to handle a Nikon D3 at the Northern Voice conference today. Very nice, but like the Canon Mark III, that thing is fricking HUGE. I've never held a 35 mm-style SLR camera that large or heavy -- some medium format cams aren't as massive, I think.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Marcel Lech  Pro User  says:

what i like about nikon is the color saturation this camera gives, for the canon you would probley need a CPL filter to have the same ballance, thats what i think.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Andrew Photo Project - "NO VIDEO ON FLICKR!!!" says:

Row 1: NIKON
Row 2: Canon
Row 3: NIKON.

The D40x is Amazing, I have This camera..!!
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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bardezu2005 says:

quiero comprarme una reflex i no se cual creo que voi a comprar la E510 que me aconsejarias comprar y una cosa mas como ases la fotos asi si puedes mandar un mensaje bardezu2005@yahoo.es gracias
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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onthehuntforrubbish says:

I have a D200 and had a D50 previous, as well tons of Nikon film gear for the last 15 years and I have to say, I am buying something else next time. Nikon makes great cameras, but Canon is way more on the ball and I hate to parrot those stupid ads but they really do give the customer what they want. I have had to PAY for Capture NX $150 and now it's free with the D300 and D3 yet I paid $1700 for my D200. (I do not use flickr, hence no pics, but I felt like leaving a comment....I'm not a Canon troll, I actually WISH Nikon was still my favourite camera brand.)
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'm not sure I quite understand: you're upset that Nikon has changed their software pricing for newer cameras? And it's going to be worth all the thousands and thousands of dollars of buying new camera bodies and lenses and accessories for the $150 that Capture NX costs? I assume there must be something else to your wish to change -- certainly Canon makes good cameras, but that single software pricing issue doesn't seem enough to me.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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Jamie Basso  Pro User  says:

Row 1 - Canon
Row 2 - Canon
Row 3 - Canon

I love Canon... hahaha

Also, I'm really excited about the new Rebel XSi!
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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Nick Cheap says:

fuck nikon
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Thanks for your well considered opinion.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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h.akbar13 says:

Row . 1 - Canon
Row . 2 - Nikon
Row . 3 - Canon
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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sacredgeometry  Pro User  says:

I have 2 out of the six and have used all but one soooo

Row .1 = Canon, I bought the 400D
Row .2 = Nikon, I bought the D300
Row .3 = Canon ...

...no not beacuse i bought it but because of the reasons these cameras exist. I can see noone choosing to lug the D3 up a mountain if a D300 was avalivble (bad analogy caus of the full frame you would probably want the d3 but you get my drift)

For me full sized slrs and a prodominantly studio and tripod thing not something you can take everywhere you go or would want to and as that i would say the simplicity and uncomplication of the canon is a much more pleasant thing to use in those situations.

Peace

Brian

p.s. if the 5d was on there it would win over everything ...unless they make a FX D300 anytime soon.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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sebastianarayae says:

nikon suck
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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sebastianarayae says:

dead nikon puagggg
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'm impressed with those well-thought-out criticisms as well, Mr. Araye.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

canons look bit clumsy next to the nikons... D200/D300 beat the 40D - they've got pro build and specs. pity, that they're not full frame like 5D :-( 1DS MkIII is great, but too expensive (doesn't matter if it's given by your work place). D3 is faster and much better for the street, low light weddings etc. i really regret i've just sold my nikkor lenses. my boss has the whole canon L series range and i was thinking about buying 1ds Mk II. now i'm not so sure anymore

"For me full sized slrs and a prodominantly studio and tripod thing not something you can take everywhere you go"
??? why i'd want a crop factor? if only all the dslr could have full frame sensor with normal depth of field and lens angle! if dslr feels too have or too bulky i grab any of my old film rangefinders (or my nokia N95).

"that i would say the simplicity and uncomplication of the canon is a much more pleasant thing to use in those situations"
i used both (and more) and i've found nikon dslr to be more user friendly, faster and much more ergonomic. anyway, this is the view of most objective photogs
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Fergfoto says:

Oversaturated not real images and not true colour Nikon. No software with any models until the new ones were released. Poorer high iso performance for years until now. Overcomplicated layout with buttons where you want to hold the camera. Canon had a 12 mp full frame camera almost 4 years ago, and an even bigger resolution one b4 that. D3 is a good camera, but only 12mp for pros. They are kidding and not in the same ballpark as the 1d. Faster, sure but canons got the 1dmK III so.... D300 is good also, but too expensive for what you get. Canons lens lineup is larger. Nikons noise reduction loses detail, Canons doesn't. I like Canon.
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

"Oversaturated not real images and not true colour Nikon"
you mean, like this one? ;-)
www.flickr.com/photos/puppezincc/2374164364/

that's why i loved fuji s3 even more - colours were kicking ass if tweaked. some people actually want them, belive it or not. not everybody does portraiture. even then, some prefer warmer tones (nikon, fuji) to cool canon ones. i admit that classic landscapes are much nicer straight from the camera with 1ds. with urban stuff nikon gives that extra punch.
well, i feel exactly the opposite. 1ds is a nightmare to use ergonomy wise. if i want something to slow me down, i use mamiya or hasselblad. and i'd like canon to, if it wasn't overpriced. i don't need a lineup of lenses - i need sharp fast glass - two zooms and one prime. nikkor also gives me them. even sigma can (i've tested the new sigma f/2.8 zooms and they're not any worse, but five times cheaper).

"Canon had a 12 mp full frame camera almost 4 years ago, and an even bigger resolution one b4 that"
and who really will utilise that resolution? those who shoot editorial or for a bilboard. my digital back has 16MP, but i've never printed bigger than A2, because i don't need to. the only think that matters is really the fact, that some sensors are full frame and some not. wildlife and sport photographers aren't bothered anyway.
"D300 is good also, but too expensive for what you get."
i know what i got with my D200 - weather proof element sealed body with every button under my finger. an utlimate camera for trekking. canons equivalent was plasticky and cumbersome. i prefer canons image processing (blue tint, and better greens), though. but eventually i use the photoshop, so it doesn't really matter.

by the way, this is from the Nikon D200
Natascha Eleonoré

and this one's from Canon 1Ds
Paradox

it really depends what you want from your camera and what you do with the image after...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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OllieGapper  Pro User  says:

canon
nikon
nikon<i already have nikon lenses
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

kate_lem asked in a note up there:

"I can't decide between these two (XTi and D40)! does anyone know how to help?"

Both the Canon and the Nikon are good. The Canon XTi is a slightly older design, and the Nikon D40 is a bit smaller as well as a tad less expensive in most places.

In the end, with any DSLR you're likely to be buying into the lens system rather than the body itself -- you'll probably replace the body a few years down the road, but keep using the lenses. Keep that in mind when you make your decision.

I'm a Nikon guy, but even if I weren't, at the low end of DSLRs I'd probably recommend the Nikon because the rear screen is nicer, the menu and display system is much better, and it generally feels more solid than the Canon.

On the other hand, the low-end Nikons (D40, D40x, D60) do NOT support autofocusing with all current Nikon AF lenses (particularly some of the non-zoom designs), while all current Canon lenses will work on all their current cameras (including the XT, XTi, and XSi).

If you're not wedded to Nikon or Canon, you might also want to take a look at some of the excellent current Pentax DSLRs, such as the K20D, which offer great bang for the buck and also support a huge range of Pentax-mount lenses, both old and new.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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THE BLACKWOOD INDEX  Pro User  says:

Find the one that is the most comfortable to hold and view, has the specs you NEED, and fits your budget (as much as possible). Also, look at the long run; who offers the better lens options and accessories for your use? Who has better after-sale service?
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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EOS-225 says:

Canon > Nikon
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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balintalovits  Pro User  says:

I would not compare the D300 to the 40D. 40D with the D80..
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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BuffaloBilious says:

I just purchased a 40D (3 days ago). I'm finally upgrading to a DSLR from my old powershot. I'm going to take pictures with it. Were I not a starving student, the D300 would have undergone serious consideration in the shopping process; however, the price of the 40D was enough to empty my pockets.

Based on my research (which is (thankfully) finished for the time being), I would go with the D40X, 40D, and D3.
(But I would take the 450D over the D60)
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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raed al-sane  Pro User  says:

beautiful capture !!!
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I need to make a new one of these. With Nikon's D60 and D700 and Canon's XS and XSi, as well as perhaps some sort of D80 and 5D successors maybe coming, this collage is becoming further and further out of date.
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Okay, as of July 3, 2008, I have created a much updated and expanded version of this image, which includes the current Nikon and Canon DSLRs as of June 2008, as well as competing models from Sony/Minolta, Olympus, Panasonic/Leica, and Pentax. You may wish to check that out instead:

State of the DSLR market: Nikon vs. Canon vs. Sony/Minolta vs. Olympus vs. Panasonic/Leica vs. Pentax digital SLR cameras, as of June 2008
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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rev_adan  Pro User  says:

in Japan Nikon were cheaper than Canon..LOL How come?To make it fair I'll get CANON and Nikon..Peace!
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Hoenen  Pro User  says:

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Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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Ferrari250GTO says:

Who cares about specs? The only thing that made me go with Nikon was ergonomics. Many can agree that the build quality of the Rebels is not very good, and Canon's general button placement is not very good. When I pick up a camera I don't want to look at the back to find the on off switch, I want it at the shutter release, where most photographers have their finger at most of the time.
Absolutely right the D3 has "just" 12 megapixels. Why do you think it has such good high ISO performance? You can use the D3 if you shoots sports or landscape. The 1DS MK3 you can only do landscape because of its not so good high ISO performance. And honestly who prints pictures the size of their wall? Only then will you notice the difference in resolution.
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vertical_hiker says:

I have a d300 and have been using it for a while. I've only owned Nikon's. The D300 is nice. However, as I look at the Canon 40D for much lower price, I see that Canon still has an edge for details and clarity, like when you see grass, bushes, or even dirt. The 40D imagery just looks crisp and cut. Not so with the D300, or most Nikons. Even though the Nikon D300 has much more bells and whistles, I'm really not interested in all the bells and whistles. Nikon doesn't have the kind of cut clarity that Canon does. Sure the D300 and D3 share the CMOS, finally, as Canon, but it's made from Sony?? I'm sure there is a difference in how it's made. Canon has been making their own CMOS for a while. Also, the Nikon D300 has better color, but I can change that easy in Photoshop. Besides, the 40D and 5D have saturation changes in them to screw with like the D300. The Canon 5d is great as well, but if you look at Ken Rockwell image comparisons, the 40D and the 5D are close to the same, with the 5D slightly being better in sharpness and detail. I think I'm going to trade in my d300, and buy the 40D, and wait for the 7D (or whatever it's called) to come out, and sit and wait for the price to drop before buying one (if it has a weather sealant so I can climb mountains).
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t33kkk says:

why can't we all be friends?
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

"Who cares about specs?"
i do! :-) if not, i'd buy a pentax - only to fit those lovely pancakes... but if it was full frame DSLR. and if it could take on high ISO like the Nikon D3. and if it was processing colours like canon 5D etc. at least the k20d has dust protections and in camera image stabiliser. if they ever made Leica M9 with all those specs abouve and for the have price :-)
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LoveHateFashion says:

i like better the simplicity of canon cameras, nikon cameras look like transformers
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

hmm, canon 1ds i used before isn't simple at all. they're all pro spec cameras not a point&shoot or paper weights (well, maybe canons could do that last part every now and then) :-?

i assume, these sort of opinions like yours are more sorta "fanboyism" syndrome motivated only :-)
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I think LoveHateFashion was talking only about the appearance of the cameras. The Canons have fewer buttons, connections, and switches (particularly on the front). Some people like that, while others find the dedicated stuff all over the Nikons more ergonomic in real-world use.

Certainly good photographers take great pictures with both. Then again, good photographers can take great pictures with a pinhole camera.
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

and good photographers take better pictures with better cameras :-)

real working pros use their cameras as tools to put some bread on their table. there's no place for sentiments. many used to use nikons, but swapped them for canons, because of the higher resolution (crucial in studio work). others put away their canons 1d mkII and bought nikons d3 (often they were previous nikon users who dumped them for canons) to shoot sport. and if it's your employer who pays for the camera, then there's no choice whatsoever (i jump from one camp to the other every now and then, but my boss has bought canon 1ds and this is what i'd use at work, like it or not). if you shoot editorial, then you must have a hassie - which will probably pay for itself after a couple of assignments anyway. let's face it - internet threads like this one are kept alive by amateurs and hobbyists and other mortals like us only who'd rather write about the cameras of their dreams than really have a chance to test them. no offense, but the gear isn't that cheap and available to masses ;-) as for the ability of taking great photos with virtually anything by someone who's got the talent.... well, it's almost truth. situation changes if that picture has to be printed as a spread in the magazine or goes on a billboard. then any little detail is crucial - resolution, sharpness of the lens and its characteristics, post production, even the format of the frame, as some pro shooters choose certain digital backs or size of the film frame, so they don't need to crop for the desired print format (like 5x4) etc.
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dicken_ben says:

doesnt canon on all of those cameras beat out nikon on megapixels?
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

i'm sure nikon will soon follow up with 24MP studio version ("x"?). they just like to take their time.
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Before I go on, note that this image is extremely out of date now, but the general trend remains. dicken_ben, it's true that Canon has emphasized megapixels more than Nikon, but that's only a benefit if you think megapixels are more important than other things. Which they aren't, for most people.

James Duncan Davidson, an excellent photographer who uses Canon cameras, outlines why that is so when talking about the new Canon EOS 5D Mark II vs. Nikon's competing D700: "...[the problem] with a 21 megapixel sensor is that there are precious few lenses that can resolve enough detail to really take full advantage of the resolution capabilities on hand. And those that can are bloody expensive. With the 10 and 12 megapixel cameras I currently own, I can see the limits of a few of my expensive L-series lenses in the resulting files."

Right now there are still significant image-quality compromises with high pixel-density sensors. What Nikon has been doing with the D90, D300, D700, and D3 is try for better low-light, high-sensitivity performance rather than maximum image dimensions. That is a worthy goal, and is one reason why numerous professionals and enthusiasts have been moving back to Nikon recently.
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eastendimages  Pro User  says:

my only negative comment about the new full frame nikons is that i can't use any of the old obscure lenses (i like vignetting and swirly bokeh) like with canon due to the distance from the lens mount to the sensor :-/ i'd love to be able to have a full use of flektogons or takumars, jupiters and sonars, but it's not possible to focus to infinity... what a pity.
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dicken_ben says:

yes, but, for example, you can only get a image into Arizona highways magazine if your image is 21-22 megapixels or larger. not to bash nikon though. It is an extremely good camera maker and is probably one of the most widely used by photographers, but im just saying...
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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

@ dicken_ben
personally i say the 1Ds mk3/5D mk2 are a waste of money,
the D3 is years beyond the two cameras,
if you really know your stuff then you'd know
most professionals have left canon and returned to nikon
some never left nikon,

yeah they have 21mp,
so what? what good is 21mp if it you lose other things
realistically a 10mp fullframe camera will reproduce the exact same quality as a 35mm frame, a 12mp will reproduce more than enough
plus with the 1Ds mk3/5Dmk 2 and the new Sony A900
they sacrificed pixel density in order to fit more pixels on the sensor
the canon sensor to be exact is 6 microns,
and the sony is only 5
whilst the nikon FX sensor is 9 microns, hence giving it better straight off the sensor noise management, plus better dynamic range at all ISO's and less need for in camera noise reduction
and to be honest the D3 is uncomparable,
its above all cameras,

the only camera comparable to it is the D700
its about 99% a D3, only difference is the body
everything else is the same
i shoot with a canon aswell
but i still preffer my nikons,
the lenses plus the cameras are sharper
even with film, plus the image quality is much better,
colors are vivid, and strong, and with picture control you can also make it subtle depending on what you want
plus the Dig!c 4 processor is as fast as the nikon D80/D200 processor, and can't compare to nikons EXPEED processor

i'm not biased, i'm just telling you which is better
and i do use both

in conclusion, if you want more pixels
get a hasselblad, or mamiya
screw canon
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Is Arizona Highways finally accepting digital files? Until very recently they only accepted transparency film. If you need maximum resolution for landscapes and so on, you'll be using a view camera or a medium-format camera with a digital back anyway.
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dicken_ben says:

yep, i just read that somewhere... but you are right nokiju, nikon does get more vibrant colors than canons!... nikons are probably better, but im just giving some of canons pros over nikon
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dicken_ben says:

also, at least at the lower level (rebels vs d40, d60) canon has some advantages over nikon.

Rebel xsi: 9 point focus, af motor, 3in lcd, 12mp, liveview
nikon d60:3 point focus, no af motor, 2.5in lcd, 10mp, no liveview
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dicken_ben says:

sorry if i sound like im bashing nikon, but when you are trying to get a good camera/lenses on the cheap, canon may be the way to go for some (like me)
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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

the lower level cameras are whats destroying us professionals
i HATE the lower end CRAP,
the people who buy them, walk around saying
"i'm professional" then they try to take jobs away from us professionals
and hence we're losing money because of you people

as for the lower end stuff
ofcourse canon is better, nikon doesn't really focus on it,
they just make it

canon point and shoots are better than nikon ones too
and i admit that, but when it comes to top of the line DSLRs
canon is just getting desperate

plus to top it off
9 out 10 professionals use nikon
and have never stopped
plus the rest they were forced to switch to canon
but after the release of the D3 went back and were quite happy about it,
i also find it funny how its mostly the canon users who do ths dissing,
do i sence insecurities?


i'm not trying to diss canon as i too have a fully set up 5D
but i still preffer nikon over it
as do most professionals
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dicken_ben says:

True
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'm a Nikon fanboy, but I have to disagree, nokiju: from what I've seen in the field, Canon still dominates most professional situations, and has done so ever since they developed what was then a far superior autofocus system a couple of decades ago. The situation only accelerated in the digital age as Nikon's D series generally lagged behind Canon's 1D series.

That has only changed in the past year since the release of the D3 (Nikon's first self-developed full-frame DSLR, _years_ after Canon's), plus the D300 and D700 -- you could see a much bigger fraction of black-and-gold Nikkor lenses among the white barrels of the Canons at the Beijing Olympics, for instance. Look here for a typical example:

www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/beijing_200 8_its_a_wrap...

The white lenses are Canon. Yes, Nikon made the cameras and lenses of choice from the '50s through the '80s, but they fell into a long second place after that, out of which they are only now clawing themselves.

This need not be a religious discussion. In the end, both Canon and Nikon have merits for different photographers, and certainly at the low end, there is no reason to be fanatical about (or dismiss) any particular brand. Canon, Nikon, Panasonic/Leica, Pentax, Sony, Olympus, and even Samsung and Sigma all make good cameras. I personally think for anyone who doesn't currently own lenses, the Pentax DSLRs (K20D and K200D in particular) are the best deal on the market right now, and Sony is putting on a strong showing with their wide-ranging lineup.

Finally, I think this is way out of line:

"I HATE the lower end CRAP, the people who buy them, walk around saying 'i'm professional' then they try to take jobs away from us professionals and hence we're losing money because of you people"

Guess what? If the images are good enough and customers are willing to pay for them, so much the better. Professionals who can't compete with beginners using low-end gear are facing challenges, sure, but not undeservedly. The days of high-paying stock photography work are over, for example. But that's fine. Anyone with talent, dedication, and business skills can still make a job of it. High-quality entry-level digital SLRs are wonderful, _because_ they disrupt a market that was formerly too exclusive.

And the amateur market has always supported the pros by buying way more gear and keeping the camera companies in business. Those who aim for snob appeal, like Leica, have often run into trouble.

In the end, these cameras help more people find joy in taking quality photographs. I can't see how that's possibly a bad thing.
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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

how is the canon auto focus faster? than the nikon one?
the nikon auto focus is much faster plus now that the new models have the AF fine tuning you can make it even faster

are you a professional?
do you really think that professionals support the amateur market?
if you really were a professional you'd be just as annoyed at amateurs who show off their D60's or 450Ds what ever...
there are alot of those, if you're not a working professional, nor assistant grade
why fucking buy one........
if you're an amateur shooting film
i WILL RESPECT YOU
but if you're just an amateur shooting digital and not intending on going professional, and try to leech off us,
i will KILL YOU
YES KILL YOU,

so what if the shot is "good" to a non photographicly trained persons mind,

guess what



we still take better shots than you

you CLEARY don't see it from a professional photographers point of view............
so don't even bother trying to counter this

you are NOT a professional, nor does it show in your images,
and if you were, you're not really that good to be honest
and seriously

if you DO look closer
back in the film days
majority of film shooters SHOT NIKON
if not nikon, pentax back in the old high speed 35mm days the nikon F5 was the work horse, yeah canon made the F1 which was faster shooting at 15fps, but the camera had no metering system, no autofocus, infact it was 100% manual with a motor drive hence it didn't sell very well, whilst nikon was the majority, yeah canon claims to have built a faster AF but you actualy field tested it,

my AF-S 24-70 f/2.8 G focuses 30% faster than my EF 24-70L f/2.8
my 70-200VR focuses 40% faster than my 70-200L
and the nikon lenses are being tested on a D80 body,
if i put them on my D700 or D3 it would be even faster
or even on an F5..... oh yeah
my 70-200VR is WHITE with a black hood


the market majority only became canon due to the 1Ds
before that
everyone shot film, and it was still nikon dominated
now its back to it,

everywhere i've flown for work
NY, Paris, London, Milan, Sydney, my home (japan)
and numerous other places where fashion shows are held
majority of the shooters
are NIKON, plus i can recall one press photographer screaming at his
1Ds mk3, saying fucking canon
i want my nikon back... it was at Rosemount sydney fashion festival
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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

oh i forgot to mention
did you ever hear why press/photojournalists have to shoot with canon?

its because the accountants for most press companies made a deal with canon, to use their gear
hence having to destroy the nikon gear, it was against the photographers' will but they didn't want to lose their job..

now the accountants don't have much control anymore, so everyone is going back to nikon
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８−Ｂｉｔ Ｆｕｊｉｋｏｎ 。  Pro User  says:

i find it funny how most of the people who fight against nikon are actually quite shit amateur photographers who are obviously self taught......

being self taught doesn't get you up the ladder to be honest
and as for penmachine, you may be a nikon shooter
but you certainly act like a canon shooter..
i'm not biased as i have stated before
but most canon shooters

are just insecure, and can't handle the fact that nikon WAS and IS the majority in the market,

and did you actually see the press box?
the shots you showed are just shots

there were atleast 300NPS photographers at the olympics this year
whilst there were probably only 140 canon shooters
NPS (Nikon Professional Services)

if you don't have that membership or the canon one
don't try to counter my arguments
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Wow, you seem remarkably angry about this topic. We're only talking about cameras here, after all.

And no, I make no claims to being a professional photographer, merely someone who likes taking photos. I am a husband and father who enjoys his life. I write for a living, and whether I do that with a Mac or PC, typewriter or pen, I rely on my skill, not my gear.

For most people, photography and writing are worthwhile when they are fun. That's what I'm in this for.
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Here's another excellent post from James Duncan Davidson on the relative merits of the Nikon and Canon systems, without favouring either one. (He now uses both.)
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Karl Johnston says:

I find it amusing, people who defend nikon have been tricked into a shit system and try to save their pride (if not their money) by trying to justify it's usage. Same as those idiots who shoot sony (don't give me that bullshit about minolta lenses being good, they're crap compared to canon Ls).

Canon rules, nikon sucks. end of story
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Yep, this is sure turning into a mature thread, isn't it?
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CK'sPhoto says:

all cameras are basically the same to me... just go out there and shoot have fun!!
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I'll agree on that one!
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Jamie Basso  Pro User  says:

@ nokijuF tiB-8 |:
I just read your rant from a couple of weeks ago, and it's really quite amusing to see just how frustrated you seem to be from all of this. I truly believe that if you have complete confidence in something, be it an object or a human being, you shouldn't feel the desire to sit and argue about how it is so superior in every way, shape and form. And I'm not saying this just because I'm a Canon user.

Seriously, if you're going to try to make an argument, don't belittle others based on the type of camera they use or their forms of training and tell them how they're "really not that good". That's just flat out rude and disrespectful.
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I think @nokijuF tiB-8 | and @Karl Johnston should have a cage match.
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CK'sPhoto says:

I know I suck.. I think it's because I'm not emo enough
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Of course that's why they make cameras black, with knobs and dials we can all twist and turn like our sad, sad insides.
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Marcel Lech  Pro User  says:

I am trying to decide between 50D or D300, D300 offers more in the camera but then again i am a canon user and hard to swich. Havn't tested eaither cameras out yet.
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Both are great cameras, and if you already have Canon lenses and accessories, I think you'd need a pretty strong reason to go to the D300 otherwise -- such as a particular demand for the low-light performance. The 50D is also quite a bit less expensive, of course.

I'd get a D300 myself, but that's because of all my Nikon stuff.
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CK'sPhoto says:

oh if you're already invested in Canon gear I'd just go with Canon.. I was Olympus switched to Nikon only because I didn't have any real Olympus lens. Olympus E-3 tempted me.. I like olympus colors.. but the sensor size and the awesome feel of the D300 swayed me.. I didn't like how the 40d seems so mass produced.
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dicken_ben says:

HEHE, i know I was defending canon and all earlier, but I have to admit, my first SLR will probably be a nikon, just cuz there so awesome.

Also, i know this is a bit outdated comparison, but this is a GREAT comparison between a mid range canon cam and nikon.

flickr.com/photos/topper1/2930939435/

you can see that the nikon has much more vibrant colors...
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

I actually crank my D50's saturation even higher, because I like it that way. Of course, anyone who shoots in RAW format can adjust saturation as well as much else in post-production.
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kdaci says:

Hi . I own 40 D , and my brother ( ydaci ) has D300. What i like at Canon is the Colors and the white balance on indoor shots with the built in flash, and the Nikon's white balance is a little yellow but you can fix that easy. Anyway i like Nikon more because of it's great sharpness on portrait shots and it makes less noise on high iso but i haven't tried it yet with the same lens on Canon. And i would have my same gear on Nikon i would go on Nikon, but i'm very happy with my Canon and i am never thinking to switch on Nikon.
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Marcel Lech  Pro User  says:

Canon
Nikon
Canon
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robinbanks2008  Pro User  says:

I can't believe how cross people get about all this stuff. I had a Nikon for oooh, a good year before I was even aware of the Great Debate. I still can't figure it out. Surely it's what you do with it that counts?
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robinbanks2008  Pro User  says:

And did that guy just... threaten to kill you?
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Yeah, pretty freaky, huh? I don't think I'd be hiring him to take any pictures, no matter how skillful.
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robinbanks2008  Pro User  says:

Can you imagine if you supplied the wrong kind of bagels?

Low fat? LOW FAT! I KILL YOU!!
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Aleksandr © |  Pro User  says:

Well in my case I am a CANON user, I believe that NIKON it's a great camera which I love the B&W shooting with it... but for the rest and the action I am for CANON, I read your review about both cameras, and I do agree in many things but I was a bit disappointed that you mentioned the 1D's MKIII at the end (not the same as 1D), despite of everything indeed is the best camera for Pro's in the market, take a look at the new 50D.... in my opinion and for the way I shoot will be my next best friend!, with a full frame, besides the 1D's...

about the auto ISO, I never had the problem of finding the right one, I know my camera gear so well that I won't have any problem finding the right one... gives more action, I don't like the camera my camera having more fun than me... so the auto focus isn't needed for me... I only use the manual settings.

this is what I do with my CANON gear! specially and exclusively taken with CANON's gear.
On The Peak Tower #2

The Peak Road

Full Moon

Los Angeles

Central Park (B&W High Contrast)

Hong-Kong DayLight

I am really happy with CANON, and I do agree, after the years and the purchased of lenses makes you stay loyal to the brand, but even tho... my only reason to purchase a NIKON ( that is if I ever do, 'cause I don't own it, I had used it only), will be just for B&W... but still I am happy with CANON.
but there's something very important to all this... everything depends on what kind of processing is applied to the final shot in the end, and the photographers ability to capture the moment, not the brand.

ALEKSANDR.
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Aleksandr © |  Pro User  says:

WoW I just read those comments... Geez... it's our ability what counts in the end not the brand... the same as you shoot with a CONON can be also be accomplished with a NIKON... it's all about the features and how comfortable you feel with the cam you use, nothing more nothing less...
and if we are "professionals" then let's be professionals...
Let's just go out and have fun... that's the best part of all!!!


ALEKSANDR.
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songglod says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Camera porn, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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ImageSanguine says:

What an idiot who says.. I'll KILL YOU.....
By the looks of your photostream and your comments and ideologies.. I'd say you are nothing but n over obsessed rich kid who was forced given a camera on your "nail cutting ceremony" perhaps.

What are you blaming "us" for? If you call your self a Pro.... Well I be damned if people dont start calling on a 5 year old with a 3 MP pns because I'm sure even he'll do BETTER than you.

So stop spilling around this place and get a life... unless you're looking to be Nikon's CEO's driver or something!
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ImageSanguine says:

OK... sorry for the rudeness but this was a wee bit too much!

Coming to point.... Both Nikon and Canon make fantastic Camera's, and since they've been doing this from quite some time, no doubt that they do!

Ultimately, the choice for me (recently purchased my first DSLR) and probably a lot of other people end up at the "current lineup". For eg: My options were the D60 and the 1000D or even the 450D. The deciding factors were ultimately 7 point AF, Live View and a relatively new Launch!
And speaking as a matter of fact.. these probably were the only reasons (High ISO performance and menu interface being some minor others :o) for the decision because in the end.. Both have some great lens options ranging from $100 for beginners to $5000 for professionals, both have some very good accessories and a huge wide community support. Parts and lens availability is widespread as well!

But still I find people "Killing" each other and blaming "us" for their incompetence..... talk about stupidity!
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

Amazing, isn't it? By the way, speaking of those Canon lens options, here's a nice collage elsewhere on Flickr I just ran across...



Anyone want to do a Nikon or Pentax version?
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Jamie Kitson  Pro User  says:

Bloody hell, you really stirred up a hornets nest, I can't believe some of the vitriol. It just occurred to me that the two Canon users I know are also MacHeads, while I, a Nikon user am also a PC user, could this be a trend?

btw, regarding your question of too many DSLRs: I'm not sure I would include all of the cameras you do, the D60 for example is a replacement for the D40(x) really, isn't it?
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ImageSanguine says:

Sometimes the World can amaze you in some amazing ways... this was an epiphany for the fact n doubt!

Jamie... I'm a Mac user and now a Canon too... LOL.. some university should do a study on this for sure!
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penmachine  Pro User  says:

If it's a data point, I've been a Mac guy and Nikon shooter, both for about 25 years. Before that I used an Apple II and photographed on Pentax.

See the comments on my Jan '09 collage for a discussion on the D40, D40x, and D60. The simple summary: when I made this image, there was no D60 (or D90 or D700 or D3x, or XS or XSi or 50D or 5D Mark II), and when I made the new one, Nikon still sold the D40 but not the D40x, which had been replaced by the D60.
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