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old glory by Painted Land.
This is the massive face of the BP Hydrogen Refinery in Long Beach. It faces the 405 freeway; several thousand people see it every day on their way to and from work. It's a pretty provocative image made more so with each passing day. While I was shooting the plant, well within my rights, a security guard zipped up in his company truck and demanded I stop taking photos. He asked me to return to my car where I would meet him. By blowing through a red light, he beat me back to my car, which he had blocked in with his truck (it was the only car in a vacant lot on a Sunday afternoon). He wouldn't allow me to leave until I had given him my name, phone number, street address, place of business, and "reason" for being there. He claimed that "since 9/11, you can't shoot anything you want," and that I would need to check with the local police in order to find out what I was allowed to shoot. Unfortunately, this kind of misinformation about photographers' rights in the post 9/11 America is becoming more and more common. I eventually gave up trying to explain my rights as he seemed more intent on filling out his paperwork and keeping his job. It was a sad experience - his written english was very poor, and I ended up having to write the report for him. It's a hollow feeling to be forced to help someone take away your liberties; America in microcosm.

This is another song about war. 

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SD STUDIOs*  Pro User  says:

War b gone.
On the other hand, look at the beuatiful photo you shot.
Fabulous.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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cykuck says:

That's way more poignant that what I was ready for. If they start pulling you out of line at the airport, you'll know why. Madness.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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Sean 141  Pro User  says:

I get it all the time walking around DC with my camera. Federal buildings, even frickin Union Station! When challenged at all, they mumble something about policy or just keep repeating that it is not allowed. Complete Bullshit!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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_micaela  Pro User  says:

That sounds insane, with the cop and report and all. I think I photographed this same plant a few months ago from right behind the fence. It was a sunday night, I think.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

1994SS [deleted] says:

Cool shot. Crazy story. Land of the free huh?!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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Painted Land  Pro User  says:

Yeah, Micaela, it was pretty crazy. I've shot there before and not gotten in trouble, but he told me that they have security cameras, and that someone in the plant had called it in. "Get the army on the phone! We've got a metal head with a commie camera down on the sidewalk!"

This country has lost its mind.
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v1rotate  Pro User  says:

What "authority" does a "security gaurd" have? They are not the police: they do not have the authority of the government. All they can really do is keep and eye on things, and call the real police if there is serious trouble. They can't arrest you, or even detain you, unless, I suppose, you are obviously committing a crime.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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eclecticbuzzard  Pro User  says:

Yes, there is way too much of this crap going on in this country. If you and your camera were in fact standing on public property while shooting this picture, the most the security guard would have been aloud to do would be to block the camera's view of the building. You could have told him to call the cops. They might be more likely than a security guard to understand the law.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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aztx  Pro User  says:

Outstanding shot! Your experience is evidence that we have lost the war. In the current atmosphere, we are no safer than we were on 9/10/2001. Sad Sad
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

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the mad monk  Pro User  says:

well, for a Commie Camera it sure as hell takes a good photo of the american flag in disrepair. Great shot.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

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akagoldfish  Pro User  says:

What that security guard did is legally known as "unlawful restraint" and is an A misdemeanor to a felony in most jurisdictions. I wonder what would have happened if you told the security guard you were going to call the police on him?
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

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David Sommars - (thorhammer67)  Pro User  says:

not just that, its kidnapping, false arrest and possibly coercion

definitely federal . everyone should carry a decent cell phone and take video when this stuff happens, then perform a citizens arrest on the guy for keeping you there. call the cops and handcuff the dude with his own cuffs.

come on, its not that hard if your pissed ...
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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Painted Land  Pro User  says:

Last week I had the LAPD's Major Crimes Division: Anti-Terrorism Intelligence Section follow up with me about this. They stopped by and slipped a card under my door with a note saying "Please call [them] regarding an investigation." After I called, I found out I was the target of the investigation. They wanted to see my negatives, and while they agreed that nothing I had done was illegal, they did insist on coming over to my place before work to speak with me.

So, two agents came by and interviewed me for half an hour. They looked around my place, and I showed them the contact sheet - a roll with 4 pictures of the refinery, the others of innocuous things like my girlfriend and koreatown graf. After running out of nice ways to find out who I was, the agent filling out the forms asked, simply, "So, are you a Muslim?" I laughed out of shock and discomfort, and replied, "No."

They then stood, shook my hand, assured me again that I had done nothing illegal, and left. All told, they probably wasted a day and a half between the two of them on my case, when one well phrased google search could have led them here.

Of course, if they did a search for "BP refinery", they might have found this. MSN's photography is slightly more revealing than mine.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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Tektum  Pro User  says:

WHAT? i live near by, and ive taken countless photo's of that same image, with guards present....

no one has ever told me anything.............
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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akagoldfish  Pro User  says:

Painted Land: that sort of thing is why you never give your name to vigilante thugs like the one who detained you.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Painted Land  Pro User  says:

Akagoldfish: there really wasn't any alternative. Calling in the police would have revealed my identity as well, and with my car blocked in, there wasn't anywhere to go. Considering that I was investigated by the LAPD, it doesn't seem like there would have been any difference if I had put up more resistance at the time.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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akagoldfish  Pro User  says:

the difference is you would have been a lot less likely to have been investigated as a suspect if you'd stood up for your rights than if you took the path of less resistance and complied with what can only be described as vigilante thuggery.

also, it's less likely your name would have wound up in the anti-terrorism system, where you can rest assured it still is and will probably come up next time you try to board an airplane or cross a border.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Sean 141  Pro User  says:

Yeah, JR, man, you gots to think outsides the box. I mighta tried the Jedi mind trick - " This is not the photographer you're looking for." Or maybe gone all Neo on that Agent Smith mofo. You gotta be ready next time, dude.
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Tektum  Pro User  says:

I agree, if they would have came up to me i would have given him "NADA"!

and were you in a private parking lot? if so you were asking for it, and if you were in a public lot, he actually kidnapped you....

for a photographer who knows seems to know his rights pretty good, this surprises me.
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Painted Land  Pro User  says:

Y'all have more faith in the police than I do. I was doing everything I could to get out of there with my film still in my possession. I get on a plane next week, and I'm not checking a damn thing.
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gmichaelreilly  Pro User  says:

I'm very sad to say that the flag has been removed. I drove down to Carson last weekend to get a shot. I shouldn't have waited so long.

Nice work BTW!
Posted 3 months ago. ( permalink )

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Tektum  Pro User  says:

wow they took it off????
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Richard Macdonald  Pro User  says:

When the security guard parked behind your vehicle, you should have at that point called 911 and reported that you where being unlawfully detained.
Posted 3 months ago. ( permalink )

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