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kylos h says:

And if you had it back, it would be a third world dilapidated mess instead of the prosperous region it is.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Or maybe, just maybe, Mexico is a mess because it lost its most prosperous region in a war with its neighbor. It would hardly be the first country to have that happen to it (Bolivia, anyone?).
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Hamilcar Barca says:

They've always been a mess. They are a major exporter of oil and still can't provide jobs to their millions because of governmental and societal corruption.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Kakona says:

Maybe not, more likely. The prosperity of the region followed its acquisition by the US. Mexico is a third world mess and has been for centuries. What we really need to do now is take on a few more Mexican states, say Chihuahua to start, maybe Baja, to give the millions who live in these slums a chance at a better life without having to cross the border.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

fourmckees says:

This map is factually in correct. If they are going to call the US ESTADOS UNIDOS DE AMERICA. Then Mexico needs to be ESTADOS UNIDOS DE MEXICO, not just "Mexico".
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Greg Easton Photography says:

I invite the Mexican military to engage the American military in attempts to reclaim their land. It would be a far more honorable thing to do than the Mexican Government's current "Anchor Baby Invasion" plan.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

locomotive2000 says:

What "America once was" was free of English AND Spanish-speakers. No USA, no EEUU, no EUM.

This ad is ignorant.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

mastershake@pacbell.net says:

I'm waiting for Swedish company Absolut to run "Absolut World" ad with a map of Sweden with a Nazi flag over it from 1943.

Somehow, I doubt we'll see that.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

locomotive2000 says:

Mastershake - I doubt it too. But in their hearts it may exist. Remember Sweden's "neutrality" in WWII...
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

reader25@sbcglobal.net says:

I agree, maybe we should annex Mexico and provide them the same standard of living as we have north fo the Mexican border. It seems that most of the working population is headed this way. Mexico is a very good country with great people, rich history and abundant resources. It is a shame that the government is corrupt to the core. At some point the people will have enough and toss the lot out and start over.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

SurgeCord says:

The map is actually in error. The northernmost border with the Oregon Country was set at the 42nd parallel per the Adams & Onis Treaty. This map is clearly higher. Also the dividing line between Alta & Baja California is depicted at the current 33rd parallel. Historically it was slightly lower, even with the top of the Gulf of California. ....the Province of Sonora is also shown with the Gadsen Purchase boundary. Historically, the northern boundary went as far north as the Hopi country (puelbos moquis) in modern Northern Arizona. During the period between the Mexican war & the Gadsen Purchase (La Mesilla Treaty) that border was the Gila river in Southern Arizona.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rocerny says:

interesting
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

sethmillman says:

China's economy will be 25% bigger and greater than the U.S.' by year 2050. Canada will be out of the game, Germany will be out of the game. France will be out of the game. India will be 3rd and Brazil number 4th. Mexico will be economy number 6th, followed closely by Russia and Indonesia and following Japan's. Mexico and Mexicans are a key to keep the U.S. as the second superpower by year 2050. Without Mexicans, their birthrate, and their workforce in the U.S., we are LOST. We will fall behind no only China, but India too. So stop your mean comments about Mexicans and prepare for the uncertain future. If you want to stick up your nose, do it, you have the chance to do it only for a few more years.... It soon will be over..... Thanks to Mexicans, who we need, we'll remain a superpower.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

LarsOllie says:

Absolut was recently taken over by the French alcohol giant Pernod Ricard, so, please, blame the frog eaters for the crappy ad. In an Absolut World, France will turn green and become alcohol free. For obvious reasons.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

department203 says:

Here's my Boycott image:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/sixthsense/Bo ycott/absolu...
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

al91206 says:

Yawn - all todo about nothing. It's simply an advertisement meant to create buzz - and it's doing just that.

The only ones who are offended are people who can't take a joke and wrap themselves up in the flag (while not doing much other than that).
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Christopher2k2 says:

Absolute Boycot. Yeah. Congrats, I dont care what anyone says, but not going to buy that stuff anymore.

And besides, who did the Mexicans steal their land from? The Apaches... the Utes... the Mojaves... the Comanches... the Kiowas... and countless other Native Americans. Yeah... right... the Mexicans "owned" that land.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

aangelbott says:

Hmmm... I wonder how fast that brand tanks when America stops buying that vodka? They permanently lost a customer in me.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

DaveyCrokett says:

yeah, right.......Like Hell
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

ricemanstm@sbcglobal.net says:

The US did not "steal" Alta California from Mexico. Mexico went to war and subsequently....LOST! As part of reparations to the US, Mexico CEDED the land and all claims to the US government. Texas WON it's own independence and then decided to JOIN the United States. Maybe Mexicans need to study their own history before trying to rewrite ours.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

UNITED STATES OF MEXICO!!! by the way that's the official name of Mexico: Estados Unidos Mexicanos (Mexican United States, sick). But no worries, we refuse to be Mexicans and prefer to adopt American style, good bye tamales and chilaquiles, macdonals and wallmart very welcome!
Besides, we will save US car industry. You'll change to hybrids and we will buy all your dirty hummers. We even will eat all your GMO's stuff in our tacos!! How about that compadres!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

ttimmii says:

Molon Labe!!!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

If you really want to boycot Absolut, try tequila instead! when I am triping in tequila I see US taking over the whole Mexico (well is happening already) and all Mexicans speaking English and dressing like jack black!!! With tequila everything is cool dude!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Abaddon333 says:

If Mexico took back the Southwestern territory it would look like Tijuana in short order. The Mexican government was corrupt when they lost the region and they still are corrupt today.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

Abaddon come on! I'm sure you went to Tijuana at least once in your spring break! I bet you had very good time, didn't you?
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

gadphoto says:

Very sad way to try to sell Vodka. The Absolut ads were interesting and clever but this ad is La Raza leftist fodder. Bad move.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Darkstream says:

I wondered what this ad would look like if it had catered to American Imperialists so I photoshopped a version with all of the United States and Mexico under American rule.

Would Absolut run such an ad? I think my point is that they wouldn't. It would be insensitive to Mexicans, just as insensitive as the original Absolut ad is to Southwest Americans.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

Chicano rules!!! Arriba arriba arriba absolut, but not the russian one!! The absolut tequila cabrones!!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

good point darkstream, what about if we obamasize the issue and US and Mexico are just one! Mexamericans or Amerimexs!! just one. So darkstream give me a kiss ; )
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adriano Chingon says:

you know what, I think we wrong, the Absolut point is regarding the genetic landscape of Mexico. Green are our descendents, our genes!!! half of US will be brown (despite many Mexican racists they believe are whites) and half will love to have brekfast of chilli, tortillas and frijoles.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

genjisch says:

Revanchist sentiments and reactions to them can be inflamed easily in many parts of the world where borders have shifted through wars. And there's no clear correlation between the just party to a war and its victor.

Also, this map of the western USA fails to show ownership by the indigenous peoples who had occupied North America for hundreds of generations betore the establishment of the British and Iberian monarchies which blithly laid claim to the whole continent. When the USA began its war of conquest in 1846, the Californio population of Alta California was about 7 thousand, whereas the indigenous population was around 150 thousand (per Kevin's Starr's book "California"). And the northern stretch of Mexico's claims along the Pacific coast was contested and encroached by Britain and Russia.

The map is also inaccurate even by the standards of America's European derived rulers: Panama is shown as independent, but was part of Colombia until the USA instigated a revolt around 1900 to get better terms for building the canal. And even the borders of other Central American countries are in question. For example, the Nicoya Peninsula was part of Nicaragua until ceded to Costa Rica in mid-19th-century. And the eastern coast of Nicaragua was an independent indigenous-african kingdom under British protectorate until late in 19th century (for people on that coast, Spanish is a second language). And there was no country named Belice (Belize) until 1973 when "British Honduras" became independent.

Alta California was settled by Spain around 1774 and Mexico became independent around 1819. The area was ceded to the USA in 1848. So the period under USA rule has already lasted more than twice as long (160 years) than the total Spanish-Mexican period (74 years).

Basta con la reconquista! Fuera con el nacionalismo! California es hogar de muchos pueblos, hablantes de ingles o espanol o otros idiomas. Y nos acordemos que California es estado de EEUU.
--Genji
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

taylorjanvier says:

Gather round, kids. Here's a quick history.

Spain ruled Mexico until 1821. They (the Spanish) also claimed areas to the north they named Nueva Mexico (mostly the present-day areas of New Mexico, and the panhandle of Texas) and Alta California (mostly present-day California and part of Nevada) which they (the Spanish) had conquered from Native American tribes over three centuries. After the Spanish left Mexico, the Mexicans kept their maps, claimed these northern territories for themselves, and controlled them—more or less—for the next 25 years.

In 1836, General Antonio López de Santa Anna, a two-time dictator, centralized Mexican government. This provoked local-autonomy-minded Texas to declare independence from Mexico, which it successfully obtained the same year. The U.S. annexation of Texas created a border dispute that led to the Mexican-American War. This ended in a resounding defeat of Mexico and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848). The U.S. paid $15 million (equivalent to $313 million in 2006 dollars) for parts of the present-day U.S. states of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming, as well as the whole of California, Nevada, and Utah.

(Thank you, President James K. Polk.) (Listen to the song by They Might Be Giants: www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTiCU_fqCg )

At the end of Mexico’s 25 years of control, only about 80,000 Mexicans lived in the entire area of California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas --about 20% of the population. The overwhelming majority of inhabitants were U.S. settlers and Native Americans.

So, what's my point? Just this: twenty-five years of unenthusiastic settlement of, and minimal control over, a property inherited by default is a pretty dodgy claim. If anyone’s got an ancestral claim to the southwestern U.S., it’s (as usual) the Native Americans. But then, they took it from people living here before they arrived.

So the next time you hear some peabrain say “We didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us,” say "No it didn't, amigo. Now go back and sign the guest book on the way in."
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

darthalbin says:

The concerning part of the ad being marketed in Mexico is that it reinforces the mentality that is feuling the illegal migration into the US.

The US didn't steal the southwest from Mexico. It was conquered and integrated. The Mexican people are not expected to like it. They have two choices:

1-Get over it. Find ways to take their government into their own hands and form a more perfect and prosperous nation.

or

2-Martial an offensive force and reclaim the conquered territory. The Mexican nation is more than welcome to invade the US and take the territory back. The consequense of this aaction would be a US defence, and possible aquisition of the entirety of Mexico.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

darthalbin says:

"...California es estado de EEUU"

Yeah...

I don't think so. California es estado de USA is more like it.

This pansy method of sneaking in and then demanding the ability to stay and convert our society into yours is insanity.

Invade with military force if you want it back. Taylor is right. Mexico didn't have the territory for long.

Imagine what the world would look like if we had to give back all of the conquered terrotory. I would almost be worth it (almost) to see all those Mexicans react to being told to move back to spain. Hell, they couldn't move back to Spain because Spain is conquered territory. Everyone in the world would be living in both Kenya and China. Talk about an overpopulation problem.

Territorial aquisition by conquest exists throughout history for a reason. It has also been treated as commonly accepted and agreed as legitimate throughout history.

Get in line and stop whining.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

capty99 says:

fourmcckee:
america is a term refering to the entire content not just the USA as you think of it today. the term 'Americans' doesn't make sense to most spanish cultures in the western world because they consider themselves americans also. Thats why its the united states of america, because we are the only united states.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

darthalbin says:

All nations have an official name and a colloquial name. It is commonly understood around the world that America is a colloquial term referring to the united States of America. The same goes tru for Mexico, which is officially the United Mexican States. I don't hear anyone getting on our case for calling them Mexico.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

Ah, OK.

I am from Mexico and have had it with all the ignorace and mean comments displayed here:
IT'S JUST AN ADVERT
Nothing more... get over it State Unionists
...If my country is such a mess and we are third world as you say, than why is it that I can own an airplane, a car, two houses, lots of land, with my professional work, just as MANY others here?

...and another thing: the name of The Mexican Republic is -Mexican United States.
So There.

This whole thing is bullshit.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

SPERock says:

The Soka-

clearly you're a drug kingpin!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

darthalbin says:

LOL!!

It is far from clear.

Soka. The only point I'm trying to make is that the ad encourages illegal migration.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

cowboyup2008 says:

Rather than re-fight the Mexican-American war on this blog, send this to you contacts, and any bar and liquor store owners you know. I have sent this to around 50 people, including three bar and package liquor stores. The stores will not sell Absolut after their stock runs out. The feedback from the others indicates no sales of Absolut, and Pernod, is possible. These neanderthals need to be hit in their pocketbook, where they truly bleed green. Let the La Raza types make up for the lost sales, lol. Use your time contacting everyone you know, not in debating with fools like those at Absolut.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Salamandroid says:

Ah, the consequences of a souring US economy, it brings all the jingo gringos out. They come armed with ad hominem attacks and racist undertones (sometimes overt racism!). Yes, the land is the US, they took it by force, yes, it now profoundly belongs to the US. Nations and borders move, it's a fact of life. No one is credibly suggesting that Mexico will launch a military attack, that's just retarded, we're already here. We already own homes and we have plenty of kids. Forget the illegal immigrants, there are plenty of us legal ones. This whole "get over it" thing is ridiculous too, no, Mexicans don't have to get over it. It was a shameful defeat and one that remains in a nation's psyche. It's a part of being Mexican, just like the feelings associated with the Spanish conquest. These racial undertones and nativist sentiments make Latinos like me (pretty integrated into American culture) feel defensive and attacked. Frankly, it's just not smart to attack a group of people that is growing and growing and growing. Deal with it, your country has already changed, you have all sorts of people inside the gates. You can either deal sensibly with your new neighbors or incite these horrible feelings that will only inflame racial divisions.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

gernblandman says:

Mexicans have created such a horrible reality for themselves in their own country that it's natural for them to covet what a people unlike their own have created in the United States. Anglo-American civilization has built such a fantastic country that millions of Mexicans will risk their lives every year to escape the horrors of their own civilization for a chance at attaining a high standard of living, in a land that is not their own, which they have so far proved incapable of creating for themselves on their own in their own nation.

This ad is simply a way to help Mexicans feel proud of themselves when in fact they have nothing to be proud of, and who continue to live in a self-made, corrupt, impoverished, miserable, hellish, pox mark, south of the American border.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rolfsky says:

Did anybody consider that this image might be fake?
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

SPERock...F.U. Very Much : Be careful what you write about people you don't know.

gernblandman: the same goes for you.
( read my previous comment )
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

robert_rex_jackson says:

If the ad campaign showed Israel's borders reincorporated into Palestine I wonder if it would have been published.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Juan Ramirez says:

what a bunk of moronic comments

'ooh i ain't buying that shit no more.. that is idiotic..' america rules.. yeah! u..s..a u..s..a..

comparing it to bigger conflict areas such as nazi germany or palestine is even more stupid.

Oh Mexico what a horrible land, I want out!!!... please give me a break.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Adolfo.c7 says:

I agree this ad is silly at best, but it is incredible to see how many ignorant comments have sprung from it. I'm sure if the add had the U.K. annexed it would have been pretty funny to you.

Don't you see the major problem here? You just reacted like the assholes governing you. With ignorance and a false sense of superiority. That's the American way.

The forceful acquisition of Mexican territories can be equaled to any other country rising in power and in greed for land.

To me as a citizen of two countries this is part of History books, not something that should be used to hurl racist and ignorant rants. The vagrant racism expressed in this comments only show how backwards this society can be.Don't forget that your ancestors in a not so distant past also emigrated to this country. Your insults are not directed to a country but to a skin color, to a culture you fail to understand.

Don't just look at economical statistics to define quality of life. Quality of life comes from much more than that.

Mexico is a very culture rich country, and I invite everyone one of you to visit and to learn.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

Here Here Adolfo.c7.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

joe_the_joker9 says:

Fixed this for you:

Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

memos to the future says:

anyone got this in large? I so want this as my desktop background.

(something tells me there is a european version with a super-large germany out there somewhere...man, that is so wrong.)
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rescuesomeone says:

Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

As an American who was raised in Mexico for 17 years, I am heartily ashamed at many of my countrymen's mindless, ignorant comments.

Ignoring the inaccuracies of the map, it still hearkens back to a time that meant (and still means) something special to Mexicans.

If you're white, don't get butt-hurt. If you're Hispanic, be proud of your heritage. This advertisement made me chuckle and remember a richly compelling history of Dons, señoritas, and Zorro. Please don't make light of it by suggesting that one sovereign nation attack another.

Oh, and Darthalbin... EEUU is the Spanish abbreviation for the United States of America. Asshole.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rick215718 says:

Absolutely German
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rick215718 says:

www.bcc.cuny.edu/History/His10/Course/1942map .jpe
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

pakkoidea says:

Wow. I truly wish I had created this ad -- it has achieved exactly what it was supposed to do. Incite massive amounts of word of mouth, touch emotional points in its chosen market -- and extend the pesos/dollars spent on the media buy by getting free PR. Kudos to ad agency TBWA/Teran Mexico City for creating this ad. I, for one -- frankly don't care at all what gringos or mexicans think about this ad. All I care about is the results and total value of this campaign once it ends. Absolut's market share in Mexico isn't that great -- so all tricks need to be pulled in order to gain share. And doing anything emotional is perfect for achieving this.

As a Mexican creative working on the United States, I love how advertising can easily manipulate people. Not just gringos, but anyone in the world. So, in other words my fellow gringos -- don't feel so insulted. Just enjoy the verbal sparring and barrage of images that come across your life everyday. It's just.....an ad. Designed to manipulate. Even you.

One funny thing is -- I had actually created a somewhat touchy and controversial ad a few years back on a similar issue. http://www.pacodelatorre.com/portfolioforweb/ returncaliforniatomexico.jpg I have since removed the client's logo, but here is the ad. Arriba mis compadres! Now, who wants to have a few Tequila shots with me? Ay!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

erinjohn says:

well i see it this way...the europeans dont like president bush. they believe in their socialist wisdom that somehow mexicans "deserve" to come here legal or not. they have a very left leaning media in europe. they tend to let anyone in if they show up at their borders. i dont believe for one second this was done as an "innocent" advert. more likely its political propaganda meant to stir up anti american sentiment in mexico that is oh so very common in europe today. there is only one excellent vodka out there...stolichnaya! all hail putin!!!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

jibegod says:

Does anyone know what font is used for the map labels? "Estados Unidoes de America", etc. I thought perhaps Trajan Pro, but it doesn't match.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

brianrunsten says:

I think a lot of these comments have been based more upon emotion and cultural bias. If we look at the historic details of the debate, we find a complex story, but one with a decidedly different tone than "America as Aggressor" that has been the standard (and outmoded) line of interpretation since the post-Civil War era.

The conflict goes back to ownership over Texas, and the boundary. Initially American had emigrated into the Texas region, which was part of Mexico's territory, having been won from Spain in its fight for independence. The Mexican government grew to oppose the tide of immigrants, and imposed strict regulations, including that the settlers convert to Catholicism. Instead they asserted their liberty, and rebelled to form the independent nation of Texas. The Mexican army sought to quell the rebellion, under the leadership of General Santa Anna, who presided over utter slaughters, most famously at the Alamo. Ultimately, Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston at San Jacinto, and signed a treaty recognizing Texas's independence, and establishing a border along the Rio Grande. It was only afterwards that the Mexican government reneged on the promise. They claimed Santa Anna was not empowered to make treaties. This was a half truth. Santa Anna had indeed abdicated his place in the government, to assume leadership of the military. But he had done this TWICE before, each time installing a weak subordinate to would step aside once he returned. There is no reason why the the government leadership didn't expect Santa Anna to return a third time. Instead, he was captured, and they sought a loophole.

Fast forward to 1845 when Texas was annexed by the U.S. By the treaty, their border was the Rio Grande, but Mexico protested and claimed it was further north at the Nueces. President Polk attempted to negotiate, offering a significant amount of money to purchase the disputed territory, as well as California. The Mexican government stubbornly refused, even though it was in no position to assert its control over its far northerly territory. Polk responded by sending forces under Zachary Taylor to the border of the Rio Grande to protect it. It was decidedly a provocative act on the American's part, akin to a child pointing his finger at another and saying over and over "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you." Ultimately, the blame lays with Mexico though, for they fired the first shot in aggression by laying siege on a force of Dragoons. Thus war began.

Mexico had seemingly every advantage. Much larger forces than America's, and a familiarity with the territory. The Americans lost a great many to illness and the harsh conditions. In fact, the Mexican war had the highest rate of attrition of any war in our history...a 13 percent mortality rate, compared to 10 for the Civil War (though far more fought the latter war).

The U.S. won because of a well laid out strategy, Taylor from the North, and Winfield Scott from the coast, and aided by John C. Fremont in California, who helped to launch a rebellion there.

The Mexican forces suffered a string of bad defeats and were pushed back until Scott captured Mexico City. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended hostilities, and set the border firmly along the Rio Grande, as well as giving the U.S. the so-called Mexican cession. They could have easily taken the whole country, since they had the capital city as well as the government. They didn't, and instead accepted what they had sought all along: the Rio Grande and the Southwest+California. The U.S. Government didn't have to give anything to the Mexicans, since they were (badly) beaten, but instead they were compensated to the tune of 15,000,000 in gold, plus the assumption of another 3.25 million in debt owed by the Mexican government to American citizens.

While no war can be truly called righteous, and while the causes of the war remain disputed, based on the precedents, as well as how it was ultimately settled, it is difficult to say that the American government stole ANY land, or committed any acts of aggression, considering the Mexican's fired first, and were ultimately compensated for the loss of their territory.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

fubaglady says:

they should rename their company "Absolut Idiots."
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

lwlfnm says:

I am curious where Mexicans would go to work in the Absolut world. From the other hand the border fence would be much longer. They would have more opportunities to jump over. They also could invade Canada. The whole North America would be just a huge dump full of garbage.

Now I am absolutely sure I don't want to live in the Absolut World
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

kelltech_db says:

Greg the Bunny said: "I invite the Mexican military to engage the American military in attempts to reclaim their land."

LOL...I invite the Mexican military to engage the civilians of the United States to reclaim their land!
MOLON LABE!!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

lwlfnm. you don't have to, F.O.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Ken Roberts Photography says:

It's really sad to see a website designed for photographers to share images, to become a political blog.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

lwlfnm says:

The Soka.

I don't have to see offensive commercial adds either.

You cannot make Mexico better by denying the truth and offending other people.

There is a saying in Russia: "The fool tries to make his life better with dreams."

It would work in Absolut world only:)
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

igor6200 says:

First off, this advertisement is hilarious and only uptight, over privileged white citizens of the United States (who somehow think our boundaries are God inspired) will REALLY offended by this. We celebrate our three hundred years of raping Native people and cultures (both intentional and unintentional) from Jamestown to the Pacific coast, so why can't they look back at their hay day as well? Most Mexicans have a much better claim than our Manifest Destiny/ White Man's Burden/ Social Darwinism/ etc... Oh, and most Mexicans are a mixture of Native American and Spanish, and most United State's citizens are not, so whats all this argument about Mexicans "stealing" their land? They have a much better claim to North America than Caucasians... I'm sure there are a lot of good arguments as to why this advertisement has flaws, but come on, its funny and its not meant to be some in depth social metaphor (its an advertisement not a propaganda poster). Laugh.

Oh, and to think somehow you're more American because you boycott the vodka? Seems trivial to me.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

smoovemooth13 says:

It's unfortunate that a Swedish company brought out the ugly in Americans as wells as Mexicans. Don't take it out on each other, just don't buy Absolut. Though they didn't create the ad, they approve of it.
There's far better Vodkas out there anyway.

Keep the focus on Peace.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Nathan Matthews says:

sigh... the whole thing reeks of "bad publicity is good publicity..."

@robertstown2001 -

Then change the channel!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

refinedstout says:

Boycott WHO? Vin and Spirit was owned by the Swedish Government who just sold it to Pernod Ricard SA. Pernod Ricard SA probably had nothing to do with this advertizment.

Someone should be called accountable for this outrage.

The V&S Group has absolute power -- make that Absolut power. The company is Sweden's top supplier of wine and spirits, but it is best known for its Absolut vodka, which is sold in more than 125 markets (and accounts for more than half of all imported vodka sales in the US). It is comprised of three business areas: V&S Absolut Spirits, V&S Distillers, and V&S Wine. V&S has joined Maxxium Worldwide, an international spirits distribution consortium, for distribution outside the Nordic countries and the US. In 2008 the company was autioned off to Pernod Ricard. Effective March 31, 2008.

Pernod Ricard SA, together with its subsidiaries, engages in the production, distribution, sale of spirits and wines in France and internationally. It offers whiskies, liqueurs, champagne, cognacs and brandies, white spirits and rums, bitters, and wines. The company sells its products under Ricard, Ballantine’s, Chivas Regal, Kahlua, Malibu, Beefeater, Havana Club, Martell, The Glenlivet, Jacob’s Creek, Montana, Mumm, Perrier-Jouet, Seagram’s gin, 100 Pipers, Amaro Ramazzoti, Clan Campbell, Imperial, Pastis 51, Ararat, Wild Turkey, Royal Salute, Tia Maria, Suze, Royal Stag, Ruavieja, Wyndham Estate, Powers, Campo Viejo, Hiram Walker, Passport, Becherovka, Don Pedro, Olmeca, Aberlour, Wisers, Montilla, Presidente, Soho/Dita, Pernod, Wyborowa, and Something special brand names. The company was founded in 1975 and is based in Paris, France.

After all, are you a serious drinker or a serious United States Citizen?

Be clear that this has nothing to do with Mexico or the Mexican People. This is a misguided advertisment and whoever is responsible for it deserves to suffer a big loss in revenue and market share for attempting to play to the misguided.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

refinedstout says:

In an ABSOLUT WORLD, Mexico would have a thriving free market economy free for political corruption that would allow its citizens to prosper from the fruits fo their own labor and resources. NOT ONE COUNTRY DOMINATING THE OTHER. Mexico has great things to offer the rest of the world. Let everyone in their country benefit from free and open markets and corruption free Government.

There would be no need for a fence because people would be free to pursue their own prosperity locally and not feel forced to cross the border merely to survive and thrive.

Tourist, goods and services would flow freely across a secure and supervised border, Coruption and lawlessness would be punished on bothsides of the border equally to protect the common intersts and goodwill of both countries. We would work closely with each other to secure our hemisphere and protect each other from terrorist attack.

Then it would be true that what is good for Mexico is good for the United States and what is good for the United States is good for Mexico.

This is not a wish to dominate or control. Only a wish to prosper together for the benefit of both our population.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

paolaccio says:

touchy, touchy, touchy. it's an ad. the scary dark brown reconquistadores are not planning to make Bakersfield part of Mèxico, so just calm yourselves, gringos.

you all give the rest of us Anglos a bad name. man up for God's sake.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

singasonginashakeyvoice says:

As another poster noted, it leaves the USA in the form of a handgun, a deformed Mauser C96, in fact.

To the majority here, evidently scared by a spoof map, I would say: if you see a harmless ad as threatening the Empire, then what does that say about your own troubled psyche? Stand back, re-evaluate what you're saying and admit that your fear has ramped up your negativity by a few degrees. Chill. The powers that be would never let any Mexicans across ther border. What? Oh...
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

sherrick13 says:

Fcuk illegals and fcuk Absolut.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

diego_luba says:

Who's that idiot who said that US should incorporate more Mexican states to make them wealthier and prosperous!!!!?????
You such idiot!!!! Hahahahaha... Haven't you realized that ONE THIRD of the American States are not prosperous at all?????.... e.g. New Mexico, Lousiana, Alabama, North Carolina, Wyoming...
Hahaha... You should know that Mexico has its own prosperous regions idiot!!!
And by the way... you might have legally those souther states with you but definitely they are culturally more mexican than american.
I send love to my mexican and american friends.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

bsryan says:

The above poster/artwork is quite insulting, from my Texas point of view. Now Mexico can have California in seeing how that state has gone down hill and is on the same level as Mexico.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

wpwwddarrell says:

I will now switch to another brand of Vodka as will my friends, Grey Goose anyone? Thank you Absolut for letting real Americans (not the illegal border jumpers)know how you feel.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Blackhorse17 says:

I see this as an excellent excuse to switch brands in Vodka. Three Olives, Sky, Stoli, whatever.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

bradjustinen says:

"Our great México....once again someday"

You wish silly mexican.....notice the complete disregard for Mexico when Absolut pulled the add. It wasn't even shown in the US but we got it pulled

We Win!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

rs1918_2long says:

The fact of the matter is that NO part of the USA belongs to Mexico (nor should it) and that this ad caters to those in Mexico who believe otherwise (either that it is or it should be). Or put another way; this ad caters to Mexicans who believe that Mexico/Mexicans should have control over America's borders and immigration policies, rather than America/Americans.
There are 2 types of people who come here to live in America, who are from foreign countries: (1) Those who WANT TO BE AMERICANS and do it the right way (legally) and (2) those whom simply WANT TO BE IN AMERICA and reap the rewards of the greatest country that ever existed on the face of the earth (criminal invaders who slither across the border and STEAL from us and have no regard for our laws or culture).
The fact that we have 20-30 million criminal invaders who don't speak English, don't obey our laws, don't have any specialized skills, don't have any higher education, and have NO INTENTION of assimilating; is UNACCEPTABLE and may be America's biggest problem (at least in the top 3 problems) that we currently face.
This ad is an indicator of a much larger problem than a simple cultural slap in the face...
unfortunately ALL 3 potential future Presidnents don't see this as a problem.

One last point...
Isn't Absolut now owned by a French company???
If so... big surprise. lol.

rs1918_2long
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

rs1918_2long:The Ad caters to drinkers, and no one else.
( it is you who is making it political, it's just an advert )
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

lgzlink1 says:

Shut up idiot's !!!!! Check the Historical Documents!!!! Was the land bought from them Mexican President??
NOOOOO!!!! The Deed was signed by a Traitor General that wanted Money to fatten his pockets!!!!!
Learn your history Idiots!!!!
If Mexico and US went to WAR all the Mexicans in the US Would fight on the side of Mexico!!!!!!

China's economy will be 25% bigger and greater than the U.S.' by year 2050. Canada will be out of the game, Germany will be out of the game. France will be out of the game. India will be 3rd and Brazil number 4th. Mexico will be economy number 6th, followed closely by Russia and Indonesia and following Japan's. Mexico and Mexicans are a key to keep the U.S. as the second superpower by year 2050. Without Mexicans, their birthrate, and their workforce in the U.S., we are LOST. We will fall behind no only China, but India too. So stop your mean comments about Mexicans and prepare for the uncertain future. If you want to stick up your nose, do it, you have the chance to do it only for a few more years.... It soon will be over..... Thanks to Mexicans, who we need, we'll remain a superpower.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Rob Snyder says:

Some facts:

There are somewhere between 4 and 7 million United States citizens living and working in countries outside ot the United States.

These US citizens live and work in other countries temporarily and most have no intention or desire to become citizens of the country they live or work in.

While US citizens live and work in other countries, they certainly are entitled to legal protections as well as government services like education for their children.

It only makes sense to know some of the most basic history of neighboring countries. For us in the United States of America it can do us no harm to know these most basic facts which include:

MEXICANS ARE NATIVE AMERICANS. 60% of today's population of Mexico is mixed race European and Native American (Aztec, Mayan, Tarascan, many others mixed with Spanish, French, German . . . others). 30% of Mexico is un-mixed Native American (Aztec, Mayan, Tarascan . . .) and 10% is of European descent only.

The United States in 1848 invaded Mexico with the US Army following the same conquest route as Cortez in 1519: landing at Vera Cruz on the gulf and occupying Mexico City after climbing to the 7400 foot elevation of the floor of the valley of Mexico.

The well documented purpose of the American invasion of Mexico City was the taking of half of Mexico's territory. The map is essentially accurate. Mexican armies fought in defense of their country and captial city but of course lost. This is no reason for us to deny to ourselves our own memory of our invasion. It WAS invasion. That we we were victorious and they were defeated is no reason to deny that it was an invasion.

The same US Generals and other soldiers who fought together during the invasion of Mexico in 1848, 15 years later in 1861 found themselves killing each other on opposite sides of the US Civil War.

Also in the early 1860s, Mexico found itself invaded again, this time by French armies under Napolean III who installed the Austrian Maximiliano as EMPORER OF MEXICO. The Mexicans resisted this, shot Maximilano by firing squad and defeated the French Army at the Battle of Puebla. The timing of this Mexican victory and suppression of the French is consequential for the United States of America according to American historians because if the Mexicans had failed against the French leaving France in full control of Mexico during the time of the American Civil War, then historians posit the likelihood that the France would have put its support behind the South in the American Civil War and possibly would have altered the outcome of the war.

True opponents of immigration to the United States should examine US trade policies like NAFTA, GATT and others. In India, US trade policies that favor heavily subsidized US agribusiness corporations over Indian agriculture have resulted in 3000 farmers in India committing suicide EVERY WEEK FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

In Mexico, similar trade policies (NAFTA, GATT) have, by design, intentionally put tens of millions of Mexican farmers out of work with nowhere else to go. This certainly favors US agribusiness corporations which now have created a dependent market in formerly self sufficient Mexico, and at the same time has directly created a large influx of very poor people looking for work here now that we've taken it away from them there.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Rob Snyder says:

Forgot to add:

Mexico is multi-lingual. Spanish is the official language. But Spanish is the language of the conquest and that conquest 500 years later is not complete. A significant percentage of Mexican people today DO NOT SPEAK SPANISH. Many, still in remote areas, speak the ancient Native American languages. A hundred or so of these are spoken still today in various parts of Mexico.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Rob Snyder says:

I just returned from Christmas and New Year in Mexico City and thought you might find interesting the following article by Carlos Fuentes published on the last day of the year on the opinion page of one of Mexico City's conservative newspapers, Reforma.

I found it interesting also, apart from this article, that once again this year, my annual Christmas time browsing of this conservative Mexican newspaper reveals article after article, day after day, frequently even on the front page, of reporting on the impact of the NAFTA trade agreement on Mexican agriculture –which since the treaty over the last 15 years has compressed under pressure from US commodity import dumping on the Mexican market, requirements to remove Mexican government agricultural subsidies while at the same time US government agricultural subsidies have continued to rise and now reach unprecedented levels in the US (graph shown in the paper), new requirements now in effect in 2008 from NAFTA that require the Mexican government to further imbalance the equation by removing import taxes on US ag products. By design, Mexican agriculture, formerly self-sufficient, is now dependent on US imports, dependence on labor in the Mexican ag sector is significantly reduced (translation: millions of Mexican farmers are out of work and out of business), ownership of Mexican farms is consolidating (larger and fewer farms owned by fewer and wealthier people), debt to US agribusiness is escalated. Does this sound like a recipe for sustainability, or a structural adjustment designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. I recommend that anti-immigration advocates in the US examine US economic policies that are designed to destabilize foreign economic interests and tilt them toward US corporate advantage while putting millions in Mexico, in this case, out of work with nowhere to go.

New Year, New Era?
By Carlos Fuentes – published on the opinion page of the Mexico City Newspaper "Reforma" Monday December 31, 2007 – translated from the Spanish by Rob Snyder and Margarita Lado Contreras

It's in the air. It's in our heads. We all intuit it. One epoch ends. Another, new, begins. Juan Jose Bremer tells of foundational moments of modernity. The Peace of Westfalia (1648) put an end to the wars of religion, consecrated the principle of Cuius Regio Eius Religio (the sovereign determines the faith) and consolidated the idea of the national state. The North American Revolution of Independence (1776) and the French Revolution (1789) proclaim the universality of human rights. North America would need a civil war to end slavery and the French Revolution would know the terror and the Bonapartism before Europe would arrive at a new agreement in the Congress of Vienna (1815) that intends to restore the old monarchical order but that cannot detain the social rise of the middle class and the burguesia, the real winners of the French Revolution.

The nineteenth century peace is interrupted only by the franco-prussian war (1870-1871) and at the end, by the First World War (1914-1918) that leads to the feeble Treaty of the Conference of Versailles (1919), origin of an ephemeral peace that at the same time leads to the Second World War (1939-1945) and to the foundational act that has ruled us for half a century: the creation of the United Nations in San Francisco (1945). Work of two illustrious North American presidents (Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman), the UN has known successes and failures, stumbles and abstentions, but the peace between the atomic powers has been maintained half a century, through the peripheral perversions (Checoslovaquia y Santo Domingo, Polonia y Panamá). Only the Cuban missile crisis endangered the edifice, but Kennedy and Jruschov stopped at the edge of the abyss.

The interim of George W. Bush obeys a false reading of history. While the White House grasped an illusion of unilateral triumph after the collapse of the Soviet adversary, in the real world other centers of power formed, with a degree of autonomy (and interrelation) that are creating a new global reality. China, India, Europe, Russia, Japan, Brazil, are today central actors, that advance as much on their own energy as they do on the dissipation of North American power in foreign adventure failures (Irak), or in confused internal priorities (immigration, taxes, health, education).

But if today there appears a new global constellation without the prevalent dominion of only one country, what appears also is a new agenda for the 21 st century.

What issues today are most important? The survival of the planet. Global Warming. The brutal inequalities between the first and third world, between the few who have much and the many who have little. The persistence of illiteracy. The unnecessary sickness and poverty in a world of our own resources. The abrupt descent in world reserves of food, and the consequent increase in the cost of nutrition: from 9% to 40% last year. The status of the liberation of women. The right to information. The liberation of human resources. The pace of the technological revolution. The primacy of the right over the fact. The reform of international organizations to give new legality to a new reality.

I stop and I keep short. I refer to the reader the little book presented by Juan Ramon de la Fuente, Voices of Iberoamerica, in which Fernando Enrique Cardoso, Felipe González, Enrique Iglesias, Ricardo Lagos y Julio Sanguinetti give precise account of the actual status of "the disequality, the democracy, the legality, the security, the governability, civilization, culture, knowledge, education" (Hector Aguilar Camin in the prologue). The virtue of the book is that in reference to the actual situation, it proposes solutions but, in the end, stops at the edge of a question that is an abyss: Would we have the capacity and the will not just to try solutions, but to accept mysteries, questions still not formulated, transformations that can surprise and surpass us, leaving behind terrible simplistic ideaology, Manichean in foundation, that gives us two simple solutions to a complex reality: neoliberal capitalism or populist paleomarxism?

In a brilliant article of recent publication, the Mexican researcher Sergio Aguayo gives us the following recommendation: "Do not search for precedents for what is happening today. There are none. Neither is there certitude about the future. There persist only the necessities and the search for solutions" in a globalized world.

Still we do not know the name of this world now being born. But the Middle Ages were not known as the Middle Ages until the Italian humanists of the Renaissance (that yes knew to be named) gave it this name. What will it be called one day, the new rapid civilization, informational, technical, unjust, that is born before our eyes? No, still we can not name it. Yes, we can interrogate it.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Rob Snyder says:

The Alamo?

You've not noticed that the Alamo is built in a Spanish colonial style? And that it sits in a city with a Spanish name, San Antonio?

What most of us in the US fail to remember is that the Alamo was a Mexican fort inside of Mexican territory . . .

An earlier poster referred to Texas independence as a revolt against Mexico imposing strict regulations on immigrants it had turned against and forced to convert to Catholicism.

That's an interesting story that lacks historical evidence to support it.

The historical record indicates that Mexico actively INVITED (through advertisements in US newspapers) immigration into its northern territories. The Texas rebellion against Mexico began coincident to the Mexican government in Mexico City outlawing S:LAVERY. After this, immigrant slave owners and others revolted and from this ensued the battle of the Alamo and later the full linvasion of Mexico, the US occupation of Mexico City in 1848. Once installed in Mexico City, negotiators offered the withdrawal of US occupation in exchange not only for Texas but in total about half of Mexico's territory: Indisputable, well documented historical fact.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

ChillinMexicoStyle says:

I agree with Rob Snyder

I have been to Mexico a couple of times, I never felt threatened while there. In fact the people there were warm friendly and happy to have us visit. Was the ad a stupid ploy to the stir the Mexican people up? Sure, but don't hate the Mexicans for something some greedy company did. Instead try to understand the world from others perspectives.
Sheesh people calm the hell down. Take your anger out on the stupid company not our friends down south. For God's sake how many places can we still go and feel safe and secure in this world?
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

TheSoka says:

Quite to the point ChilliMexicoStyle.
Thank you for that refreshing and educated comment.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Dollar Fray says:

So stop your mean comments about Mexicans and prepare for the uncertain future. If you want to stick up your nose, do it, you have the chance to do it only for a few more years.... It soon will be over..... Thanks to Mexicans, who we need, we'll remain a superpower.

Boo hoo...mean comments? Travel down to Mexico --live in SD near the TJ border...etc. observe first hand....."mean" would be that the corrupt Mexican government persists on neglecting it's own citizens and infrastructure. But why not? Uncle Sam is to the north with all kinds of freebies.

Oh yeah...and by the way --if our "friends" down south (does this include our "friends" the TJ Mexican cop killers and drug lords?) ....come up North waving their departed country flag...how convoluted is that? If you want to be in the US...act like an US Citizen.

We have a reason to be be angry.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

<<<pablo zurdo<<< says:

Vaya vaya, si que a los gringos les ha quemado ese mapa eh! Ahora entiendo porque la empresa Absolut tuvo que retirar la publicidad. Las perdidas economicas serían desastrozas si mantienen esa idea en el aire.

Es claro que ese mapa corresponde al Mexico anterior a la primera mitad del siglo XIX y es algo que, lamentablemente, el traidor del Santana cedió con los tratados de Guadalupe-Hidalgo y muy dificilmente podriamos recuperar. Pero ¿no sera una vision futurista de los Estados Unidos debido a la recolonizacion del territorio ocupado por los inmigrantes latinos?

Recuerden gringos, America es desde Tierra del Fuego, en Chile, hasta el Valle Kubuk, Alaska, y no de San Antonio a Bellingham ¿o quieren extender su territorio tambien sobre Irak?
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

The Soka says:
rs1918_2long:The Ad caters to drinkers, and no one else.
( it is you who is making it political, it's just an advert )

SOKA, if anything in an advert is ok, then how about two Mexicans swinging at the end of ropes, and the words, Absolut Border Control.

It is just an ad, so it must be ok with you.

To Pablo El Zurdo,
eres una idiota y bastante irritante, sino un racista tambien. Revisa la historia de la terma gringo para aprender que es un corrupcion de la palabra "griego", y ya, como se uso, se indica que es una referencia a alguna persona no hispano.
Ademas, America es una parte DEL NOMBRE PROPIO del este pais. No es Mexico, no es Guatemala. Es el nombre de este pais, no importa si los Mexicanos robaron unas ideas y termas para Mexico parece mas como una pais no corrupto. Llamando los distritos estados, por ejemplo. O emplazando su capital en un Distrito Federal. Hmmm muy similar al distrito de Columbia.

Eso no es un discusion de racismo, es de nacionalism. Y cualquier idiota intentando la cambia a una pregunta de racism, es simplemente "jugando la carta de raza".
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

mexiCanon says:

A war that was invented by Polk (or PORK?) to get our precious lands... is just like all of the wars US has invented to get oil, lands, slaves.......

They want more and more... fucking neighbors we have!!

I am AMERICAN because Mexico is in AMERICAN Continent!!!! Just like "european" or "asian", MEXICANS are AMERICANS too (and all of the people that is born in American Continent).
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

English is a living language, always changing.

Around the world, in English, what do people call a resident of the United States? Of Mexico?

You may be technically correct, but semantically you'd be wrong, that just isn't the way the word America is used. Go ahead and try to harass all the English speakers of the word to accept your definition.

Sure, I'll wait

Americans want more and more? I know I want LESS and LESS undereducated lazy illegal criminals, all of who barely function as manual laborers, and are too stupid and or lazy to learn English, the language that is spoken in the USA
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

mexiCanon says:

lol

I bet you only speak english Flickr Reader2008, don't you?
YOu want MORE and MORE of lands, natural resources... anyway

Why you don't read this?
academic.udayton.edu/Race/02rights/guadalu3.h tm
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

Bueno, Sr Mexicanon, pierdes su apuesto.

Estas equivocada de muchas cosas. Uno es capitalismo, es decir la teoria de vender y comprar cosas. Quien importa si quiero mas y mas de algo, si negociamos un precio que es aceptable para los dos partidos?

sobre su link, pienso que es interesante que no hay ningun mencion de la guerra de indepencia de Texas. Es interesante, cierto? Si fuiste prestando su atencion, no te le visto ningun mencion de nada mas que el territorio de Texas.

Gracias para jugando.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

Ese link explicas que la frontera fue la misma como ya. Y porque su link falto mencionar la Republica de Texas, su link no sirve.

La frontera de Texas y Mexico fue el Rio grande, desde 1836, cuando Mexico perdio su guerra con Texas

www.ci.brownsville.tx.us/history.asp
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

mexiCanon says:

Hola Sr. Flick Reader2008.

Gracias por la información. Por cierto, en congreso Tejano eran sólo gringos, no había más que unos 3 mexicanos, esos gringos "tejanos mexicanos" fueron los que votaron por su idependencia?? No es ilógico, absurdo e inaudito que extranjeros hayan votado por separarse de un país que [lógicamente] no era el suyo?

Creo que mi inglés no es bueno, pero su español es pésimo, lo invito a usar otra herramienta de traducción.

Saludos desde MÉXICO.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

So I guess your point is what? that Mexico didn't lose the war? Or that when they accepted the 15 million dollars, that was not a legal sale?
This is what is called "sour grapes". I am sure that there is a similar saying in Spanish.

Entonces, su punto is que? Que cuando Mexico no perdio la guerra? O cuando ellos aceptaron los 15 millones de dolares, que no fue una venta legal?

En ingles, eso se llama uvas agrias, estoy cierto que existe un dicho similar en el espanol.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

mexiCanon says:

15 millones de dólares por más de 2 millones de kilómetros cuadrados? jajaja, es una burla, ese dinero sólo fue una forma de "disfrazar" el robo del milenio, creo que somos el país que más ha perdido territorio, perdón, que más territorio le han ROBADO.

Es una lástima tener a vecinos tan hambrientos de tierras, de petróleo, de recursos naturales, tan llenos de odio.

Los estadunidenses son el 5% de la población del mundo y consumen y contaminan como si fueran el 30%!!!! increíble, no????
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

ni_estis_falintaj says:

you kindda have to wonder....why is everyone so upset over this ad?

the only thing that it´s really telling you is that in an absolut world, or in an ideal world, Mexicans wouldn´t have lost part of their original territory, and that Mexico and the U.S.A. wouldn´t have gone to war...and therefore, would have remained happy little friends.

so what´s wrong with that?.....so you kindda have to wonder...if that reaction comes from people of the U.S.A. feeling hated by the rest of the world...all the time.

don´t get me wrong...I don´t hate you...I don´t hate anyone...I usually just use good ol´ common sense to judge a situation...

bu I do see why the U.S.A. wouldn´t win a worldwide miss congeniality contest...

first of all...it´s even in the name....most of you call yourselves "AMERICANS".....that´s ok....because well....you live in a big ass CONTINENT called AMERICA....so....according to my book, the rest of us who also live in that big ass continent....would be americans too..right?

so...Brazilians are americans too.......and so are Colombians, and so are Canadians, and so are Mexicans, and so are Peruvians, and so on...

anyway....the first step to not being hated...I guess would be, don´t try to OWN the name of the whole freaking continent...by saying things like "America for the Americans".....that is just a silly move....cause you´re invinting us over! lol....

ok seriously....I know it´s not gonna happen because it´s shorter than saying "the people from the United States of America"...but I try

Secondly, you shouldn´t trash immigrants....because you would be trashing yourselves......I mean....seriously.....how in the world do you think the U.S.A. was founded? you are immigrants yourselves!!!!!

hello?...YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE NATIONS BECAUSE OF LARGE SCALE IMMIGRATION !!!!!!

most of you are descendants of Irish, English, Dutch, Scottish, Asian, African and Latin American cultures.....so spare me the "purist" crap!

and thirdly....don´t expect to be well liked and received with hugs and kisses all over the world if your nation is well known for overtaking others territories.......you might think there´s nothing wrong with that, you might think that declaring war on other countries to take over their land is ok.......because you are used to it......I guess for you it´s just like calling dibs....

but the truth is...it´s not....it´s just not ok....

anyway......I guess I see now how this ad may offend you....maybe it´s because it hits a nerve, a little soar spot that reminds you of the true nature of your nation....

but the difference between my third world country and yours doesn´t rely on posetions....it relies on the fact that I can go to sleep at night in my third world bed without having to worry about a terrorist killing me because he thinks that my country is the devil...

cheers!

by the way...flickrReader2008....the word "gringo" doesn´t come from the word "griego" (which means greek) you dumbass!

you shouldn´t believe EVERYTHING you read in wikipedia.

it comes precisely from the times Mexico and the U.S.A. were at war...
some of the Mexican troops overheard the U.S. troops (which were divided by colors) say: GREEN GO!......as in green team go!......

and it stuck with them...they started referring to them as the gringos (the green go´s)
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

Fue 15 millones de dolares MAS todos las deudas a los EEUU. cuanto fue la suma de todas las deudas? Sepas o no? Ademas, los Mexicanos aceptaron el trato. cuando dos partidos aceptaron un trato, es un trato hecho. si no fue un precio aceptable, explica porque los Mexicanos aceptaron este trato.

O contar sus bendigas que fue una comprar. En la guerra de los EEUU y Espana, Espana perdio Cuba, los Filipines, Puerto Rico y donde mas? No creo que fueron pago por eso tampoco. Eso es una manera mas tipica para terminar una guerra. Se llamo los "Spoils of War" y es una parte de la ley internacional de guerra.

Sabes cuanto vale la "Compra Louisiana?" Fue un poco mas barato, para mucho mas territorio. fue 13 millones.

Los siento que no entiendes la situacion. Norteamericanos, casi todos fueron inmigrantes en uno punto o otro. Pero fuimos legal. Nosotros aprendimos la idioma que fue hablaba aca.

Mi pais es un bueno pais, porque es un pais de leyes. entonces, es facil para entender que los ciudadanos de los EEUU tienen muy poco respeto para gente rompando las leyes.

Pa estar mas claro, el ciudadno tipico de los EEUU no tiene ningun problema con inmigrantes, pero tiene un problema con illegales.
La razon es el irrespeto para las leyes de este pais. Ademas, cuando los illegales regala mas irrespeto en la forma de demandar derechos no merecidos, o consideracion especial que no se recibio por inmigrantes legales, ellos, los illegales estan ganando mucho odio de la gente legal en los EEUU.

Los estadunidenses son el 5% de la población del mundo y consumen y contaminan como si fueran el 30%!!!! increíble, no????

Industria hagas desperdicios. Es algo para improbar, pero si eso es tu critica seria de los EEUU, espero que te vas examinar de nueva sus razones para como sientes.

Si yo puedo aprender espanol, solamente por conversando con habladores del espanol, mi explica de por que los illegales en los EEUU no pueden hacerlo? Por eso, yo los llamo pereza.
En un segundo pensamiento, eso fue mas inflamatorio que yo quise estar. Mi problema es que fui leer un otro blog, que fue mucho mas odioso que aca. Por eso, disculpame.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

brianrunsten says:

In reply to Rob's post, there was plenty of evidence that suggests slavery was not the only factor involved in the Texas revolt. The fact was, initially, the Mexican government wanted to colonize the area comprising modern day Texas, and the easiest way to do this was to allow American settlers into the region. However, this backfired when the state was flooded by settlers, and Americans (or Anglos) outnumbered the Tejanos in the region. They then embarked upon a campaign of harassment in an effort to force the Americans out of the area. Tthey issued the Decree of April 6th, which imposed heavy tariffs on imports, empowered the government to seize private property, banned foreigners from "the northern frontier" (AKA The United States), imposed regulations on what crops settlers could raise, and barred slavery. On the latter point, they did not ban slavery for any righteous reasons, as though they were somehow morally better. They did it to convince new settlers not to come, and they only half heartedly enforced the ban on slavery anyways. It was a case of a government oppressing a particular group of people, who happened to be white settlers. It is strange to see this in the 1840s, but it did happen. Look up the Decree of April 6th, or read Richard Winders's text "Mr. Polk's Army," Martha Manchaca's "Recovering History," and Alwyn Barr's "Black Texans."
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

Flickr Reader2008 says:

Please remeber that the Tejanos, frequently were Anglos, ie. the terms are not necessarily opposites. Other than that, thanks for a well detailed post.
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

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