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ripoff or not?

ripoff or not? by mil3n.
the cover of alicia keys' new single on the left (not my work and i didn't give permission to use my design), my letterforms of ogaki typeface (coming soon, real soon!) on the right. do you think it's a ripoff? what to do in this case?
(thank you Muiz for the info!) 

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言語科目  Pro User  says:

gOd-damn it dude...

I hate to see this.
You're a victim of internet style jacking.
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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xants2355  Pro User  says:

Ask for one CD, maybe its a good music:-D
Sztem örülj neki, egyébként meg teljesen igazad van, de komolyan.
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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I Can't Get Enough  Pro User  says:

please check your inbox regarding this.
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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ch3k says:

i would ask for a date with happy ending :)
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

i'll steal that track just to be appropiate :D
amúgy persze örülök, mert nagy dolog ez, de azért basszák már meg!
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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HologramFang  Pro User  says:

ripoff
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

ch3k, good idea! :D
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Eric Nord says:

a few weeks ago i came across the following...

http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/forum/case /228591/

...and I thought to myself, "hmm... that looks familiar."
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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inkblotz08  Pro User  says:

I say law suit
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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matol says:

én, mint az ügyvéded, azt javaslom, préseld ki a lét!:D
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Barry Popper says:

Perelj baszod
Posted 6 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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iv a n says:

ripoff!
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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oddpockets  Pro User  says:

dude! please do something over this. it seems ridiculous that the designers for someone as high profile as alicia keys are unable to pay you for the licensed use of your typeface. and on another note, yours is nicer.
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

thank you guys for all the comments and help on this!
Eric, thanks for the link, i just answered that WFT question. :)
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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andre_caiafa says:

for the guy who did this, "doesn`s mean anything", like the name of the cd said. lol

I hope you find a way to do something man, your work is fantastic.
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

thanks :)
if anyone can give me a contact to the guy who did this please do so! i would be really thankful!
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fabergraph  Pro User  says:

1, elég sz_r borító ez, primitív ahogy középre bezsúfolták a kib. nagy logotípiát, óvatosan vigyázva hogy ÉPPEN ki ne lógjon már a széleken, a tervezőnek egyes, vissza az alapokhoz! Ez tényleg egy ilyen "nagy név" hivatalos borítója? EZ?

2, sanszos, hogy a betűdet nyúltak, ja

3, ha igen, akkor is jól elba__ták, pont olyan részletek hiányoznak, ami a betűdet élteti, míg ezt a borítót megöli a hiányuk, szóval ez a betűd dupla meggyalázása

4, de valószínűleg tartom, hogy semmit nem tudsz ezzel kezdeni, sajna
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Andrew David Park says:

Wow I'm sorry man.
Great work though.
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

béla, 1. én sem értem hogy ennél hogy nem futja nekik valami faszábbra, de mindegy, nem az én dolgom.
4. szóltam a gestaltennek, ők fogják forgalmazni a betűt, hogy erre lettem figyelmes, örültek neki, hogy ez még jó reklám lehet. szóval valamit azért ki kéne hozni belőle. de jogi úton én sem remélek pénzt.

andrew, there is nothing to be sorry for, i havent lost a single thing. and it could turn out to be great advertisement for my typeface. :)
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phreeq  Pro User  says:

a nyílvesszőt is egyszerre, de egymástól függetlenül találták ki a világ különböző részein. miért ne foganhatna meg egy typora is ugyanaz az ötlet a világ két különböző pontján?
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

lehet igaz, de nagyon kis esélyt adnék neki. nyár eleje óta fenn van már ez a betűm (azóta szépn bejárta a netet), a cd meg szeptemberben jött ki. nagyon sok minden egyezik, de ami nem, az nálam jobb. szóval nekem ez úgy tűnik, mintha a stílusbeli átértelmezést sem sikerült volna tisztességesen végigcsinálni. a k még ment, de az a esetében megállt a gondolat, és az alulról elinduló negatív vonal félbe is marad. és a nyíl meg gondolat eredménye. itt meg pont a stílus egyezik majdnem. a gondolat meg nálam működik, a borítón meg nem, pont a logikátlan a betű miatt. szóval nem hinném, hogy gondolati irányből jutottak erre.
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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subzeropermafrost  Pro User  says:

wrong! contact an arts lawyer (if you can) and please let us know how the process works out, so we can know what to do in a similar situation......
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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til01  Pro User  says:

szia I understand you !

watch this

just an other tree

and this

Ok check this guy out he got my work with any permission
and he used it with out changing anything on my work
and when i asked him where hi got it this work he said:

sayocanov "Thats My Logo Man :)))"
Posted 4 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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M3DOX127 says:

Alakult valami ez ügyben?
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

az van, hogy nem perelhető a dolog, rágalmazni sem érdemes, mert akkor minket perelnek be, úgyhogy valami kis konszolidált reklámot csinálunk belőle.
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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jaredguay  Pro User  says:

Whoever made this also used a photo from Keetra Dean Dixon:
www.fromkeetra.com/posts.php?post=061
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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M3DOX127 says:

hm, azért ez elég elszomorító.
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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matol says:

viszont amiből a töltés van, az már eléggé levan védve...szövetkezzetek és préseljétek ki a lét!
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

jaredguay, thanks for the link! i'll contact that guy!
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

i got a reply. the texture is a fuckin ripoff, and thats even without modification. so there is hope. :)
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Eric Nord says:

i think Dixon could definitely get some $$$ out of this. Photography is easy to trace. Photos are always copies. Unfortunately, I think the rules for fonts tend to be based on whether a vector is used.

Unfortunately, because the font was not downloaded (and thus had no EULA attached) and didn't your original vectors... I think it would be impossible to "prove" anything other than influence. And being influenced is not illegal.

Maybe you could team up with Dixon, split a lawyer, and negotiate with the label.

Of course, at the end of the day, getting ripped off is an unavoidable part of being a typographer. But how nice that when you get ripped off... the world becomes a more beautiful place. :-)
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mil3n  Pro User  says:

yeah, i'm not mad at all. and teaming up is definitely what i want to do. cause maybe i can get a lawyer at no cost from gestalten. so i hope she likes the idea of teaming up cos thats my only chance to negotiate. im on it, lets see what we can do...
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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See-ming Lee 李思明 SML  Pro User  says:

OMG!!! Total rip off!!! let me know if these things happen to you and I will direct media channels to you :)

--
Seen on your photo stream. (?)
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Zahra Tavangar says:

I absolutely adore your work and Im sorry to see your work has been ripped off. Please do something (I'm sure you already have!) and please let us know what happened. Good luck!
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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See-ming Lee 李思明 SML  Pro User  says:

fyi, posted this on Friendfeed:

friendfeed.com/smluniverse/3a67c58a/alicia-ke ys-rip-off-d...

See also comments + discussion there :)
Posted 8 days ago. ( permalink )

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Hrant says:

Please share the results of your efforts to get proper credit (at least) on Typophile - it's a good test case for all type designers.
Posted 6 days ago. ( permalink )

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fernandocanal says:

wow, what a great jog
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chapterthree  Pro User  says:

get rich
Posted 7 hours ago. ( permalink )

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