You aren't signed in     Sign In    Help

They stood in a field where barley grows, Their heads did no thinking, their arms didn't move, Except when the wind cut up rough, And mice ran around on the ground

They stood in a field where barley grows, Their heads did no thinking, their arms didn't move, Except when the wind cut up rough, And mice ran around on the ground by Mark Witton.
Join me if you will, my friends, for a quick trip back in time. Y’see, today marks the end of a long, long episode in my recent career, the beginning of which can be traced back almost three years. We’re journeying back to the summer of 2005 when I was a fresh-faced graduate, looking to start my Ph.D. in October of the same year. Now, with no funding for my research at that time (erm, still no funding now), I spent much of that summer living at home in the dark, dark recesses of Essex and working my ass off trying to earn some money. As anyone who has ever looked for work in a small town can testify, finding a job can be difficult at the best of times, and I ended up taking two: both working as a part-time kitchen hand. One place I worked, my local Chicago Rock Café, was pretty quiet most of the time, so I had an awful lot of free time to, well, do nothing, basically. At such times, your mind tends to wander, and you end up doing some rather strange things. Like, for instance, using your dishwater to experiment with different types of aerial predation of pelagic organisms. I did them all: skim-feeding, dip-feeding, diving… using branched fingers and food particles, I tried my best to get an insight into the mechanics of these foraging methods. It worked – kind of. And it was certainly more fun than cleaning behind the dishwasher.

There was also some semi-serious rationale behind this mildly embarrassing behaviour, too. Y’see, at various points in the summer, I’d made trips to see none-other than pterosaur guru Dave Martill and, among other things, we ended up discussing azhdarchid feeding strategies. In case anyone is unfamiliar with azhdarchids, they were a group of pterosaurs characterised by their elongate skulls, even longer necks, long hindlimbs but relatively short wings. Several azhdarchids, like Quetzalcoatlus and Hazegopteryx, were also enormous: you know, the size of a giraffe, or even large enough to swallow a modestly-proportioned pterosaur researcher whole (a little birdy tells me they may have the longest jaws of any non-marine tetrapod, dontcha know). Now, azhdarchid feeding strategies have been pretty controversial since the first good azhdarchid material was found in the 1970s, and Dave has stuck his oar into the murky swamps of azhdarchid palaeobiology more than once. Circa 2005, Dave was playing around with the idea that azhdarchids were surface gleaners (think about select terns and frigate birds – when the latter aren’t stealing food from other birds, that is), skim-feeders (this work was still in its early stages at this point, so he can be forgiven. Mostly.), or some sort of weird aerial-darter that used its long neck and jaws to grab fishes and other swimming being from the water. Now, though I didn't dare say it at the time, not one of these ideas sat right with me: long, stiff necks, drag forces, forward momentum… I couldn’t see how any of these could work, and my dishwater experiments didn’t help me resolve these issues, either. Still, I had little time to worry about such things: that crockery wasn’t going to clean itself.

Fast-forward several months to December 2005. Having volunteered to give a lunchtime seminar on my very, very early work looking at pterosaur mass, I was drawing up some pterosaur silhouettes to show pterosaur wingspans compared to our own armspans and, when drawing Quetzalcoatlus, I couldn’t stop thinking about that long, stiff neck. By this point I was working at my local cinema and spent several commutes to work, probably too many for a twenty-one year-old man, wondering about that infernal neck. Sure, its inflexibility was well known, but what was it all about? Then it hit me: it wasn’t about much at all. No, it was one of the least dynamic necks in history, permitting its owner to move its head up and down, a little-bit side to side, and not much else. What can you do with that? Wading. Azhdarchids were waders. They need next to no neck movement at all for that kind of gig. It was so clear. Their wing structure even matched up nicely with modern storks and ibises. It seemed perfect. I even drew a horrible, horrible picture of it for my talk and everything and, no, don’t ask to see it: it makes me cringe to look at it nowadays (it featured azhdarchids looking a bit like this, but worse. Much worse).

Dave wasn’t quite convinced by the idea (if memory serves, he eloquently summed it up with the word ‘bollocks’, followed by a cheeky grin), but it turns out that I wasn’t alone. Step in Darren Naish, a man with a terrifying knowledge of all things that have or ever have-had four limbs, owner of the world-famous Tetrapod Zoology and general good egg. We’d come to the same conclusion on azhdarchid lifestyles independently, but neither knew of anywhere where azhdarchid palaeobiology had been given a good, thorough review. Looking through the literature reaffirmed this observation, but, despite the lack of real research, there certainly was no shortage of proposed azhdarchid lifestyles. The earliest was that they were specialist scavengers, flying around like oversize vultures and feeding on the carcasses of dinosaurs. Others argued that they probed muddy shorelines for buried invertebrates, or pre-empted our thoughts that they patrolled the edges of water bodies to snatch up small, tasty morsels from the shallows. Some imagined azhdarchids as swimmers or aerial feeders, predating slow-flying animals in mid-air or swooping down to snatch fish from bodies of water. A healthy number of researchers, including Dave, took this latter idea even further, suggesting azhdarchids skim-fed like modern skimming birds, trawling their lower jaws through the water and grabbing any fish unfortunate enough to get in their way. Now, even an elementary survey of modern animals suggests that azhdarchids can’t do all these things: modern probers, skimmers and even scavengers are all highly specialised creatures reflecting millions of years of evolutionary fine-tuning, often leading to adaptations that close doors to other modes of life. The laterally compressed jaws of a skim-feeder, for instance, would be awful at ripping meat off a carcass, while the jaws of a carrion feeder would be of next-to-no use in probing. Applying this logic, Darren went through proposed azhdarchid lifestyles in a subsequently oft-cited blog post that summed up our thoughts on the topic as of early 2006, eventually settling on wading as the best supported. He also posted the first of several coloured azhdarchid-foraging pictures that I would produce, and, crucially, mentioned that he may write up his blog into a proper, genuine scientific paper, with me as co-author.

Well, that seemed like a good idea, and additional encouragement from Dave spurned further research into azhdarchid palaeobiology . Sitting down to write the first draft, I decided it would be neat to assess preferred azhdarchid habitat: not the easiest of things to do with fossil animals, of course, but possible if there’s A), enough fossil material and B), you keep things simple. You know: like saying whether an animal prefers an inland, coastal or marine setting. This was done by simply checking out the geological context of azhdarchid fossil sites: their sedimentology (different environments have different sedimentary characteristics), associated fossil types and so fourth. Trawling through the azhdarchid literature eventually revealed that over 50 per cent of their fossil remains (including all the most complete, articulated skeletons and several sites with associated individuals) stemmed from inland settings, while only a handful (and only generally fragmentary, scatty material, at that) of azhdarchid fossils had turned up in marine settings with no other terrestrially-derived material. What did this mean? Well, as with rivers and proverbial excrement, fossils always roll downhill, and downhill (in this case) means the sea. It is very difficult for animal remains to be transported upstream, so any fossils found in terrestrial settings indicate that the animal died more or less where it was found, or at least very close by. Additionally, the longer an animal carcass is transported, the longer it is exposed to scavenging and other phenomena that will break the body apart. Hence, complete animals have been buried quickly, while isolated bones may have been knocking around for some time. These observations suggest that live azhdarchids were hanging around inland floodplains and woodlands, not at the beach or out to sea. Now, while some authors were of this opinion before we came along to test it, other workers stuck to the dogma that azhdarchids, like all pterosaurs [cough], were shorebird-like animals and that their occurrences inland were the result of deaths occurring en-route between marine habitats. This is like suggesting that tyrannosaurs were actually beach-combers, but their numerous occurences in terrestrially-derived sediments occured because they seasonally trudged cross-country: it's just plain daft. A much simpler and better supported explanation is that animals like tyrannosaurs and azhdarchids simply inhabited inland environments, and speculation like the 'inland occurence via migration' theory can be smacked-down with the simple argument of ‘don’t be silly’.

Next, we looked at the mechanics of the azhdarchid skeleton and compared it against modern animals filling the same ecological roles as those proposed for azhdarchids. Now, good azhdarchid skeletons aren’t that well known: there are a handful of complete skeletons, but most of their remains are pretty fragmentary. Luckily for us, what remains we do have suggest a relative conservative body plan, allowing us to draw some conclusions that should apply to the group as a whole. We started with the earliest proposed azhdarchid lifestyle: could azhdarchids have been giant vulture-like creatures? Using data from other bits of my research into pterosaur lifestyles, it appears that their wings, being relatively short and broad, were well adapted to flying around inland settings, generating excellent lift forces when taking off in environments with variable wind conditions or lots of vegetation to snag longer wings onto. It is quite possible that azhdarchids exploited thermal updrafts of warm air as modern raptorial birds do today. Hence, there is little issue with azhdarchids being able to soar around in search of a carcass, but how would they handle eating it when they got there? Well, this may not have been so easy: although the large size of many azhdarchids would scare the pants of many other scavengers and give them dominance at carcasses, their long, stiff necks and skulls would limit their ability to reach deep into a dead body and leave much of the food inaccessible. Their jaws also lack the ‘meathook’ of modern avian scavengers, suggesting they were not specifically adapted for pulling bodies apart. Hence, we didn’t rate azhdarchids much as specialist scavengers, although the readiness of even maladapted modern animals to eat carrion means we couldn’t rule out the odd limited dabble in scavenging.

Probing was put under the spotlight next: would azhdarchids have wandered around Mesozoic swamps and lakes sticking their beaks into mud looking for buried shellfish? Well, they would’ve had a hard time figuring out just what was in said mud, what with their bills lacking any indication of sensory pits (so-called Herbst corpuscles) that are so important to modern probers and all. These often densely packed pits form a sensory battery that informs modern probers all about subterranean conditions, enabling them to detect potential prey items without seeing them. What’s more, forcing your beak into sand or mud is much easier with a narrow, streamlined bill than it is with the deep rostrum of azhdarchids and, crucially, how does one grab a morsel of food if, as in azhdarchids, the only joint along your jaw is right at the back? Modern probers have secondary jaw articulations that enable them to open their jaw tips while keeping their mouths closed, thus forgoing the need to open their entire mouths against the preussue of the surrounding sediment. Probing for food, therefore, seemed beyond azhdarchids.

How about swimming? Well, if anything, azhdarchids seemed to be among the least aquatic of all pterosaurs, bearing long, lanky limbs with small hands and feet that would be of little use in propelling themselves through water. Their anatomy similarly ruled out aerial hawking of less-acrobatic critters: seeing as azhdarchids could not use their hands or feet to grab aerial prey (both tied up in the wing membrane, y'see), they would rely entirely on their mouths to catch their food. The long neck and skull of azhdarchids are not what one would expect from an aerial predator: modern hawkers relying on their mouths to catch food have wide, gaping maws and short necks combined with high aerial agility: azhdarchids did not possess any of these adaptations, so we crossed this one off the list, too.

Then we hit the people's choice: aerial fishing. Now, in spite of its popularity among pterosaur workers, we found this to be rather flimsily supported. Our research verified countless hours of playing in kitchen sinks: that crazy, stiff azhdarchid neck simply cannot flex in the manner essential for grabbing fish with jaws in flight. The problem is momentum: the bodies of aerial fishers – be they dip-feeders or skim-feeders - continue to move forward while the head has to rotate beneath the body to grasp a relatively stationary prey item. This requires a flexible neck, and, despite its length, azhdarchid necks simply could not do this. The need for a flexible neck is greater in skim-feeders than dip-feeders: when impacting a prey item (or submerged branch, rock or shoreline – lots of scope for accidents in skim-feeding), the head is forcibly rotated beneath the body with the impact. The neck therefore acts as a cushion for both intentional and unintentional skim-feeding collisions, and azhdarchids would literally find both collisions a real pain in the neck if they attempted them. Furthermore, modern skim-feeding is only habitually practised by a few highly specialised bird species that have been through all sorts of evolutionary loops to forage efficiently in this manner. Most importantly, the lower jaw has been streamlined to a knife-like thickness to minimise drag while simultaneously remaining deep and robust to absorb skimming impacts, the jaw articulation has been reinforced for the same reason, and the jaw musculature is appropriately swollen to resist drag and impact effects. Not one azhdarchid bears any anatomical features like these, instead having slender jaws with flattened biting surfaces, relatively small jaw muscles and a pretty meagre jaw joint. Combined with their stiff neck, it seemed wholly unlikely that azhdarchids could skim-feed, and the aforementioned study carried out in parallel with our azhdarchid work reinforced this.

Wading around water courses is certainly a less demanding lifestyle and, to us, seemed more tangible than any other hypothesis. Azhdarchids belong to a group of pterosaurs that appear to have pretty competent terrestrial abilities, so lots of walking wouldn’t be much of an issue. Their long limbs would be dead handy for wading in moderately deep water, and their stiff necks – the bugbear of many other hypotheses - is no issue here, either: the animal simply has to lower the neck slightly to reach the substrate where the food lies, and nothing else. The long jaws help here, too, minimising the neck action required to put the jaw tips in the water. However, just as things were looking like being wrapped up in time for dinner, a 5 m tall azhdarchid put its 35 cm long foot right through the wading hypothesis. Having looked at lots of azhdarchid bones, we thought it only right to check their trace fossil record –currently limited to a few gigantic footprints and trackways in Korea (and maybe Mexico). Simply put, for their body size, azhdarchid feet and hands are tiny. Ask any animal wading around on soft substrates like those adorning river channels and lakes for their footwear of choice, and they'll tell you that they want large, splayed organs to spread their weight across the maximum possible area, thus stopping them sinking. This doesn't sound much like the small appednages of azhdarchids, suggesting they wouldn't have been great waders. This is especially true of the biggest forms: if they did weigh a quarter-ton, weight spreading is an issue they would certainly have to face when wading. Bummer: bang goes the only hypothesis we had any stock in.

So what, what, what, could azhdarchids do? We’d been through the list: no-one had suggested anything that fit all the evidence. A fresh idea was clearly needed. Then it struck home: all these other ideas were anchored to the two commandments of the Pterosaur Bible: 1), Thy volant reptiles shalt feed only in or around environments of total saturation and dampness, and 2), Thy primordial dragons of long ago shalt perform all activities suspended above the ground. What if, what if we took azhdarchids out of the ponds and streams, tethered them to a stick and forced them to stand around a bit? Keep them there long enough and eventually they’d get hungry: then they’d have to forage on the ground - how well would they get on doing that? Well, returning to the same footprints that walked all over the wading hypothesis, it occurred to us that small feet are mechanically advantageous in walking over dry land, actually decreasing the amount of effort required in every step. Their heel and toes were padded, too, making for a comfortable ride on long trips or when standing for long periods of time. Long legs are a bonus in walking, too, as they mean more ground is covered per-step, again increasingly walking efficiency. One azhdarchid trackway (the longest pterosaur trackway in the world at 7 m, trivia fans) revealed a particularly interesting fact about azhdarchid gaits: it recently became apparent that derived pterosaurs strutted around with their limbs held mostly underneath the body, but azhdarchids went even further than most, converging with the highly-efficient, upright postures of mammals and birds. Their ability to hold their limbs directly beneath the body would be extremely advantageous for a walking azhdarchid, providing the most efficient and stable platform to support their (often massive) bodies. Hence, when it comes to looking for food, the azhdarchid tethered-up on the lawn would be perfectly happy despite having lost its ability to fly and its separation from water. So, azhdarchids were perfectly competent on land - moreso than any other pterosaurs, so far as we could see.

Well, you know, the point made about the necks of wading azhdarchids applies here, too: an azhdarchid standing on firm ground requires as little neck motion to get its jaws to the floor as a wader does to stick its jaws in the water. Could this mean that azhdarchids fed on land? Damn right: far from being just another group of fishing pterosaurs, we reckon that azhdarchids were specialist terrestrial stalkers, patrolling ancient plains on foot like reptilian equivalents of H. G. Wells enormous tripods, their watchful eyes and jaws mounted atop long necks to give them superior views of the runty animals scampering around their feet. We expect azhdarchids to have picked up all manner of bite-size morsels, from insects and fruits in smaller azhdarchids to, in the case of the largest, small or baby dinosaurs: after all, 'bite-size’ can be pretty big when your skull is over two metres long. Some vindication that such a lifestyle is possible is provided by modern storks and ground hornbills, birds that patrol around African grasslands looking for small vertebrates to terrorise. This hypothesis is a world away from the conventional view of pterosaurs as shorebird-like critters, but really is the only one that uses all the pieces of the puzzle.

But that’s not quite the end. Y’see, we’d more-or-less come to this conclusion by the end of 2006 (see this picture for proof), but, as is often the case, the project spent a lot of time on the proverbial back-burner while Darren and I worked on other things. Then, finally, at the beginning of this year, the text, figures and tables were finally finished, and the project was submitted. It took a few weeks to find a home (we can’t deny its rather anal, specialist nature), but eventually, PLoS One welcomed us on board. A quick turnaround from the reviewers and ourselves saw the paper accepted for publication on the 24th of April, and today, the 28th of May 2008, heralds its release to the world. Being part of PLoS, absolutely anyone can check out the paper, so why not grab the online version here, or check out the official Azhdarchid Paleobiology website Darren and I set up (including some nice high-resolution images, quality fans)? Be sure to see Darren’s side of the story at Tetrapod Zoology, too, and, judging from the amount of phone calls and E-mails Darren and I have been fielding today, there's no shortage of press interest around either.

So, there you go, then. Almost three years of progression from playing in dishwater, casually knocking around ideas with colleagues and finally making the project something worth talking about are concluded today. Only one last thing remains: as per usual, I’ve rambled on for ages without mentioning the image way, way, above all this writing. What you’ve got there is the ‘official’ press release image for the paper (actually Figure 9 from the paper itself), and, actually, it almost came as an afterthought. With just about everything else done, it occurred to me that many papers discussing the ecology of extinct animals conclude with a restoration of their animal in question feeding in whatever manner has been deduced by the authors, so I pitched the idea to Darren that we follow suit. The answer was an unhesitant ‘hell yes’, a decision no-doubt helped by our unashamedly juvenile attitude towards pretty-pictures in scientific papers. In our concluding image, then, you’ve got 750 kg of monster azhdarchids, Quetzalcoatlus, marauding around a Cretaceous fern-prairie in search of food. The one on the right has grabbed a baby titanosaur, the parents of whom are known from the same deposits that yield these giant pterosaurs. Personally, I reckon this is much better than my last reconstruction of azhdarchids engulfing a baby dinosaur, and, on reflection, it’s vaguely reminiscent of the iconic ‘Hills are Alive’ scenes in The Sound of Music. You know, with the rolling hills and mountains in the background and all that. Replace Julie Andrews with 5 m tall pterosaurs and it’s like you’re watching the same movie.

With that last comment probably having diminished any respect people may have gained for me for achieving my first publication where I’ve been granted the honour of being first author, I’d best finish. Thanks to all those who helped on the project, with a particular tip of the hat to Darren and Dave (who, I believe, now finally agrees with me), and to anyone who’s made it from beginning to end on this novella of a picture comment. 

Comments

view profile

Neil Phillips  Pro User  says:

Nice one Mark (and Darren!). I was wondering when the paper as out. Good stuff. I now have the image of a herd of azhdarchids bounding accross the savanna like a herd of giraffes! Ive spent quite a lot of time watching herons feeding on dry land and I reckon its a good analogy - and the technique works - at least when a heron is picking up sardines and bits of cheese an old woman has thrown at it. Of course herons have flexible necks, but I could see an azhdarchid, having used its large body and wings to warm up quickly (Hope that doesn't break Dino Freys copyright!) picking of smaller reptiles, still trying to warm up in the early morning sun
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

artgeek  Pro User  says:

Big leaps, unconventional connections and risks are the way to win big.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Don Coyote  Pro User  says:

Congrats on the paper and on the New Scientist article! Press interest, indeed.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

mikehjt says:

Excellent write-up, Mark. It's a good intro to the thinking for this layman before delving into the paper itself.

And, as always, the illos are exquisite. You sure you don't have a time machine?
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Andy Morley  Pro User  says:

Impressive piece of work Mark. When is all this press exposure going to give you a bit of well deserved financial reward for your life's dedication to ancient reptiles?!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

LostMyHeadache - New Beginnings -  Pro User  says:

Very excellent indeed.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

To all those who've commented: thanks ever so much for the kind words. I would've said so yesterday, but the phonecalls, E-mail enquiries and radio interviews have been quite frantic. And the groupies require a lot of attention, too.

Andy: financial reward? Palaeontology? Interesting idea: can't ever see it happening, though.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

threefingeredlord  Pro User  says:

Wow, great work, and congratulations!
I even saw some of your work edited for The Suns website :D.
Thanks once again for an excellent read.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

angus mcdiarmid  Pro User  says:

This is wonderful stuff - both the illustration and the writing. Very interesting indeed...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Andy Morley  Pro User  says:

Well you can always dream, guess the satisfaction of arguing pretty conclusively on a subject and having it recorded for all to see in the years to come must be satisfaction enough. That's what I have to tell myself about what I do anyway!

Send me a mail some time, should really make an effort soon to catch up.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

DAVID ESKER says:

Hi Mark, first I want to commend you for standing up to peer pressure to actually do real science. The 250 kg estimate of the mass of a Quetzalcoatlus is finally in the ballpark. My own estimates were about two and a half times your estimate but either way the damage is done: finally people are coming to terms with the fact that the Quetzalcoatlus should not have been flying.

But Mark, do not fall short now that you have started down the right path. These animals had wings. They were built for flight and they did fly.

Open your mind to think outside the box and you will find the answer. We live in a rational world.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

kern.rick says:

Small world, I just read your article on NationalGeographic.com - great stuff!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Artist Naturalist  Pro User  says:

Your essays hold my attention, even if it takes more than one sitting. This says a lot since we usually don't spend more than a few seconds on any one image.
Great illustration and terrific writing.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Andy: Yup, we should definitely do that. My schedule is pretty much constant for the next few months (it basically has the word 'write thesis, ignore everything else' scribbled down in lots of places), so let me know when you're free.

kern.rick: thanks very much. I'm still getting over the fact that our story and pictures made it as far as the National Geographic website: this is real playing-with-the-big-boys stuff. I mean, we even got azhdarchids into The Economist, for pity's sake. I don't think there's been this much of a buzz about them since Doug Lawson dug his enormous pterosaur from Big Bend in Texas over 35 years ago.

Artist Naturalist: That's great to hear: I have wondered if my essays - which certainly aren't getting shorter - hold interest, so that's very encouraging. Thanks.

David: I'm afraid I don't really agree with you. I mean, yes, giant azhdarchids were almost certainly not the featherweights that they are often described as, but being 250 kg (or more in the case of Hatzegopteryx) doesn't ground them. Very clever people working on pterosaur flight assure me that making pterosaurs heavier - to a point - actually helps them take-off thanks to greater muscle mass and, moreover, does not ground them. They can still be modelled to fly just fine, with no changes to wing shape, area or whatever. And what with everything that's known about giant azhdarchid anatomy pointing to a flighted lifestyle (they retain all the flight apparatus and hollow bones of their smaller brethren), I remain convinced that they can fly.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Nuytsia@Tas  Pro User  says:

Very cool. Just been reading all the blog coverage on the paper.
Fantastic that the paper is freely available too!
Great work. :-)
--
Seen on scienceblogs.com (?)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Glen Mullaly  Pro User  says:

Nice job Mark. Just found you after listening to the Quirks & Quarks interview and searching for a picture of an azhdarchid. Fascinating stuff!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Thanks Glen: you're the first person to find me via the radio. The Quirks and Quarks interview was probably the best radio interview I did, actually: although much longer than the others and recorded at the end of a very long day (I was doing British and Scottish radio at 6:50 the same morning), it was also the most relaxed. I haven't heard what actually made the cut myself, but I hope the animals I described match up to their actual appearance. It really threw me when first asked to describe an azhdarchid, actually: how do you describe a giraffe-sized stork that walks around on all fours with a wing made out of a singly elongated finger? Anyway, glad you like it.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Glen Mullaly  Pro User  says:

I thought you described them well. If you haven't listened to the peice, or to let everyone else listen - here's a link to the show online...

www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/07-08/may31.html
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Thanks once again: I've only ever heard myself on the radio once, so it's nice to see how I did. I think it mostly made sense. Mostly.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Peryton says:

"and speculation like the 'inland occurence via migration' theory can be smacked-down with the simple argument of ‘don’t be silly’."

I would say "don't be a *** ** * *****", because thats the most idiotic thing someone could say.

Playing in the dishwater? Sounds sexy...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

It wasn't.

Not with those funky chequerboard chefs trousers I had to wear, anyway. The apron, on the other hand...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Peryton says:

The azdarchids look more sexy anyway
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

DAVID ESKER says:

Hi Mark,

Perhaps I should have introduced myself: I am David Esker and I am a physicist. Needless to say, I am not impressed by your statement that you know some clever people who have assured you that there is nothing odd about flying reptiles with a 12 m wingspan. In science, it is critical that our arguments are based on evidence. Any appeal to an authority is worthless until that authority produces the evidence.

I thought more of you earlier. But now I see another poorly educated paleontologist that does not understand the science concepts or the math. I could help you understand the aerodynamics. I would like to help you. But my guess is that you fall in with the other paleontologists in being to arrogant to ask for help.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Well, gee, David: that seems a bit harsh. Calling all palaeontologists 'arrogant' just because your ideas have not been accepted by them is, well, pretty arrogant itself, actually. I've checked out your website and, sorry, I find it difficult to have faith in your idea. Frankly, I don't want to debate its contents with you because, to be completely honest, I think it's too poorly thought out and researched to really warrant serious discussion, at least in its present state. No doubt I'll be accused of slinking away from the light of the 'Esker Revolution' to hide behind my own pride, arrogance or colleagues, but, in all honesty, I think my time is better spent finishing my PhD than discussing this with you at the minute. Therefore, my recommendation is that, if you want your ideas to be taken seriously, write them up and send them off to a peer-reviewed scientific journal. That's about all I have to say on this, so good luck with the paper should you embark on one, and all the best.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

DAVID ESKER says:

I can understand that you are upset about me raining on your parade. Yet if it is any consolation, I was at first considering throwing my support behind you. But I can not support you when you claim that there is nothing odd about flying reptiles that are as large as a horse. That is even a step beyond the expression “When pigs fly”.

The calculations investigating the feasibility of a Quetzalcoatlus flying in today’s environment are shown near the end of chapter two, dinosaur paradox, of my website dinosaurtheory.com. You are welcome to contact me if you need help with the physics or aerodynamics concepts or with any of the calculations.

I hope that there are no hard feelings and I wish you the best of luck with your studies.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Comica says:

wow nice..how sad...

you wrote a whole essay, are you going into journalism??
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Comica: Thanks for stopping by and the nice words. Don't feel sad for the little titanosaur: unbeknown to you all, this particular individual was a bully that picked on the other sauropod kids. He had 250 kg of azhdarchid justice coming his way, I assure you.

As for journalism, I must admit, I do miss the freedom of language afforded by non-scientific writing. I used to annoy my English teachers at school because I made them laugh too much with my essays, which they felt would get me marked down in exams. I have given semi-serious thought to writing and illustrating my own little book on pterosaurs - I've certainly been encouraged to do so by a number of people. That said, at the moment, my big pterosaur-shaped thesis is my main priority: I don't think I'll be writing anything else until that particular beast is slain. Speaking of which, I should stop rabbiting on here and get back to work.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

S.T.Palmer says:

Hello Mr. Witton. Your work on pterosaurs is admirable and fascinating, your artwork delightful, vivid, and intriguing.

An illustrated book, especially one targeted to the juvenile market (maybe ages 7 to 12), I think, would be an educational and commercial success. Your lively illustrations would certainly help inspire many kids to consider a career in paleontology.

Even though I'm a complete amateur, I've followed paleontological news for many, many years. It's great fun contemplating the marvelous creatures of the deep past.

It's interesting to speculate on how the azhdarchids made a living in light of your research. You've demonstrated convincingly that they were well-adapted to walking. Your conclusion that they foraged about in open, vegetated terrains, in search of small prey, is both ingenious and logical.

Regardless of their exact mass, it's pretty obvious, with the many well-maintained flight adaptations, that azhdarchids did indeed spend much time in flight. This especially since, if they were predominantly terrestrial, it is difficult to imagine how they would have fended off predation given their ungainly, delicate, light-boned frame, and rigid neck. They would have been helpless under direct attack from a large predator. Also, certainly, they could not have been masters of camouflage, or fleet of foot.

Considering the great variety of defensive adaptations that contemporary animals developed, predation was a strong evolutionary influence.

Azhdarchids' only defense seems to have been to flee into the air.

Yet, it seems that, in the absence of a strong head-wind, they would have had to expend a very considerable amount of energy to become airborne again. Large storks, and other heavy birds (TINY in mass by comparison), must use their strong, independent rear legs to run and leap into the air. Then they must flap wings vigorously.

The demands on this vastly larger pterosaur must have been exponentially greater. It must have been very difficult for a huge azhdarchid to pick up speed, and jump high enough to allow it's wings (apparently rigged between front and back legs with flight surface) to flap in full enough range to provide sufficient lift.

However they managed it, taking flight from flat ground must have been a very costly energy challenge for these creatures. To me, it then follows that they would have had to be extremely careful about where they chose to land and forage.

Certainly, from aloft, they would reconnoiter the vicinity to be sure there were no large predators in range. But, also, it seems very unlikely they routinely took the risk of randomly finding elusive prey in an open environment like a plain carpeted with ground-cover vegetation.

Certainly, upon seeing this enormous beast descending from above, all prey creatures would quickly flee the vicinity. What if the azhdarchid could find or catch nothing?

Then, it would have to expend enormous energy to become airborne again, and continue the search. When providing for off-spring, the challenge of capturing sufficient food this way would be even more daunting.

More likely, these huge pterosaurs only landed when they were absolutely assured of an energy-rich meal.

Today, the animal life of the planet is dominated by large mammalian, placental herbivores and carnivores. It is cool and dry by comparison to the prodigious Cretaceous era of the azhdarchids.

It's important to keep in mind that ALL large animals of the Cretaceous, herbivorous and carnivorous, were egg-layers.

Imagine what the Serengeti would be like if, instead of placental mammals, it were roamed by egg-laying beasts, with far weaker parental instincts. The plains would be littered with egg nests, even great fields of them, some protectively covered over only by dirt and/or vegetation detritus.

I think that azhdarchid pterosaurs most likely were nest-raiders.

Their huge bills were seemingly well-adapted for vertically poking through and discarding over-laying materials that dinosaurs, and other reptilians, may have used to cover nests.

When the azhdarchids spotted unattended nests, with no protectors or predators in sight, they could swoop down and feed on the energy-rich eggs, and/or hatchlings, at leisure. Large nesting mounds that some big dinosaurs built up could also have been convenient launching pads to help the huge pterosaur take flight again.

This is all speculation, and hard to prove. Perhaps an azhdarchid skull shows evidence of an egg-cracking structure such as those found at the back of the skulls of some egg-eating snakes? Or maybe someday we'll discover fossils of this magnificent pterosaur in situ with a nesting field.

Anyway, that's my humble take on the subject.

Very best regards, and congrats again on your fine work!
-Steve :)
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

HI Steve,

Thanks for your comment and ideas: it's great that this work has got people thinking about pterosaur lifestyles that are entirely removed from their 'Mesozoic shorebird' pigeonhole. I can see where you're coming from and, not so long ago, I suggested a similar theory. Azhdarchids robbing animal nests is an entirely plausible and sensible suggestion, and I wouldn't be surprised to see both eggs and hatchlings disappearing down the long throats of azhdarchids from time to time. That said, there is not really anything in the azhdarchid skull to suggest that they were specialised for oophagy: their jaws are not especially short, curved or kitted out with egg-smashing muscles or anything. Hence, I prefer to imagine eggs as part of a more general diet of small foodstuffs.

Oh, and as for the azhdarchid take-off thing, check out the comments made on the azhdarchid article at Tetrapod Zoology. This has recieved a lot of discussion over there and many of the contributors can give much better informed answers than I can, so I'd recommend taking a peek.
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

whatacoolplanet  Pro User  says:

Nice dissertation.....but...this is not a photograph.
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

dearcos_robin says:

would like to see a move of them as thay were...just wish we had a time travel system that would work...so to see how thay realy lived and ate..mark good luck on your research..and tell the team that i pray you can get the research going stronger..for new life never found yet and it will be cold doing it...hope .peace ..and grace of love to all...Rob of Illinois..class of 74..
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

qat_staff  Pro User  says:

Always fascinating - the drawings, the reveal of a fantastically inquisitive mind and someone with the discipline to question and go further in exploring possible understandings. The discourse and the debate are also greatly interesting.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Nuytsia@Tas  Pro User  says:

In regards to all this "were they too big to fly" discussion I seem to recall that there has been some suggestion that the oxygen content of the atmosphere was somewhat higher than it is today.

This is suggested as a reason why animals got so large but it also has an impact on getting into the air. It would have made the atmosphere denser and therefore easier to fly in?

I'm sure it was the BBC that showed footage of a hummingbird flying within an enclosed chamber where they slightly decreased the percentage oxygen by adding more nitrogen gas. As they added the gas the bird gently sank to the bottom of the chamber and couldn't get airborne, try as it might.

Has this idea gained any acceptance or has it been sunk?
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

As far as I'm aware, it's never really caught on (for pterosaurs, at least). For me, the evolution of giant animals seems better related to ecological and anatomical factors. There's talk at the moment, for instance, that pterosaurs may have been able to grow so much larger than other flying animals because of their ability to launch quadrupedally that gives them much more welly than the hindlimb-alone launches of birds. Higher oxygen levels are generally better accepted for the oversize arthropods of the Carboniferous, but, it's also worth considering that tetrapods had not developed larger representatives at this point that could patrol terrestrial environments to deliver swift, arthropod-chomping justice. I'm not saying that higher oxygen levels can't be a factor, but there are probably simpler explanations in lots of cases.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

josh5ps2 says:

Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

mikehjt says:

How goes the thesis work, Mark?
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Mike,

Apologies for the delay in responding to your comment: I meant to direct you towards this when I posted it, but plain forgot. All the answers to your question can be found therein. In fact, just look at the picture: that sums it up nicely.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

kasi metcalfe says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called The Art of Science, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Database_Passenger  Pro User  says:

Very very interesting read! I've always been fascinated with dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures, and although I consider myself relatively well-versed on the subject (for an amateur, at least), I have to admit I knew very little of Azhdarchids in general. I guess that's mostly because they're not "sexy" enough to get starring roles in Spielberg movies or Discovery channel documentaries, but personally, I'd be just as frightened and wary of one of these as any T-Rex or Utah Raptor. In fact, I imagine a situation where, in an attempt to avoid aforementioned sexy predators, the average temporally displaced 21st-century human being would specifically seek out patches of tall grass and/or shrubbery in which to hide. I also imagine that said human wouldn't be particularly alarmed if he found himself in the general vicinity of a presumably benign and slow moving "bird" creature, even with it's impressive size. After all, a giraffe can kick a lion's head clean off, but most people aren't afraid of them either. Sexy or not, I bet a human would more often find himself in the "kill radius" of a large Azharchid than in the cross hairs of a rampaging T-Rex.

Congrats on completing your thesis!
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

richard ling  Pro User  says:

Hang on, barley is a grass. Eocene. Kaching!!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

steveoc_86 says:

Hi Mark,

Firstly I think your art is awesome! I have been spying on it for a while now.

Anyway, I was browsing the internet with the TV on in the background and saw something quite cool. The TV was tuned to E4 and a comedy sketch show called ‘beehive’ was on. I wasn’t paying attention until I heard ‘Quetzalcoatlus’ mentioned. I turn and see some women in stereotype white lab coats studying some mammal neck vertebra………I swear they start discussing your research!!!!
One of the characters Says things like ‘I think we‘re looking at something like a giant stork‘ ‘I don’t think it skimmed the sea I think it plucked its prey from the ground’ they mentioned eating baby dinosaurs etc . … how weird is that!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

dmnshnlz1 says:

I didn't read the whole thing, but i know what i like! Kudos!
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

scismgenie says:

DAVID ESKER:

Short wings, flightless, like chickens and Ostrich.

I lean toward Omnivore prairie gatherer. Fruit, Marsh Grasses, nuts, and stream fish perhaps. Perhaps the opportunity to strip a carcass every now and then.

How much sideways movement is required when your mouth is so large? a few degrees of turn would cover a fair amount of arc. and if that long jaw had a hold of you, the G-forces at the distal end would be sufficient. The short wings, perhaps like those of a Bat, may indeed aided ground transportation, aiding balance and perhaps providing leverage/anchorage, for a direct pull using that stiff neck.

Being tall has a purpose as well, the adaptation is needed for REACH. The Neck stiffness indicates Strength, instead of agility.

What requires a STRONG PULLING NECK, with REACH?

Tubers? Fruit on trees? Things in burrows?
Did these wings enable submerged swimming?

Also the target food should be between 10-12 meters from ground level, and perhaps firmly anchored, OR 5-6 feet down, say on the river bottom, but not overly WIDE in comparison to the width of the gullet.

I would say Crocs and Cayman might be the prey. Standing on the bank and stabbing at them. The strong neck would be needed to cope with the torque of a fighting reptile/amphibian. and a slam against nearby objects would be a weapon as well.

--
Seen on your photo stream. ( ?² )
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Finn16 says:

Hi Mark,
Very well written, is a breath of fresh air after reading through many scientific articles. nice artwork too, a man of many talents. I was wondering how you came to decide on the colouration and do you think you would see sexual dimorphism? Just a curious undergrad.
Cheers Finn
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

Finn16,

Thanks for the nice words. There's a long-ish story about the colouration: I used similar colours when I drew this old thing thanks to the then-decent idea that azhdarchids were waders - I think I nicked this scheme from a bittern. I changed the colours a little for my next incarnation of this - including some dimorphism - but, for this new version, I went back to my first idea. In all cases the colours are quite muted because large animals - even those that can see in colour - tend to be drabber than their smaller counterparts. This image here excluded dimorphism because of it's use as a PR image: we were trying to emphasise the proposed lifestyle of these animals and bringing other aspects of pterosaur palaeobiology into it would only confuse things unnecessarily (similar decisions were made for the composition of this). There is evidence that some pterosaurs were dimorphic, though: point your browser here to read more.
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Finn16 says:

Thanks for the prompt and helpful reply. also if the head is weak to lateral movement (got this from D Martill,1997, geology today) then wouldn't the strain of prey handling be a problem? (I've always imagined even small dinos would have considerable muscular strength)
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

view profile

Mark Witton says:

You're right: mechanically speaking, the long, narrow necks and heads of azhdarchids wouldn't cope too well with laterally-induced forces, so they aren't expected to have subdued large prey at all. Relatively small prey - and we're talking no bigger than turkey-sized for the largest azhdarchids here - probably would've been fine. Birds with long beaks like herons, hornbills and storks manage to take comparably sized prey - even powerful little beasts like birds - without difficulty, so I imagine the same relative prey size would work fine for a giant azhdarchid,
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Would you like to comment?

Sign up for a free account, or sign in (if you're already a member).

[?]
view photos Uploaded on May 27, 2008
by Mark Witton

Mark Witton's photostream

Pterosaurs (Set)

58
items

This photo also belongs to:

winged beasts (Pool)

dinosaurs! (Pool)

Your Art - Not Photography (Pool)

Pterodactyls (Pool)

Science Nerd Depot (Pool)

Animals in Your Art (Pool)

Paleontology (Pool)

Palaeoart (Pool)

The Art of Science (Pool)

Tags

Additional Information

AttributionNoncommercialShare Alike Some rights reserved Anyone can see this photo

Add to your map