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Walking on the Moon

Its a complete Farce ! Sunny D is the way to be !
Walking on the Moon by jurvetson.
Tang is a farce. That was the first thing Neil Armstrong told me last night. “We did not use it on the Apollo missions.”

I asked him, of all of the systems and stages of the mission, which did he worry about the most? (the frequently failing autopilot? the reliance on a global network of astronomers to spot solar flares in time to get the warning out? the onboard computers being less powerful than a Furby?....)

He gave a detailed answer about the hypergolic fuel mixing system for the lunar module. Rather than an ignition system, they had two substances that would ignite upon contact. Instead of an electric pump, he wished he had a big simple lever to mechanically initiate mixing.

That seemed a bit odd to me at first. So, I asked if he gave that answer because it really was the most likely point of failure, or because it symbolizes a vivid nightmare – having completed the moon mission, pushing the button... and the engines just wont start.

He responded that he had dreams about that for two years prior to the launch. 
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Eppie says:

Scary dreams. While you fulfill all of our good ones, jurvetson. Better you - I would be tongue tied talking to Neil...
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kytheria says:

Oh my god!! you spoke to him in real?!! and when i first saw the pic i thought its a wax statue..!!
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

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Sunburn says:

No way-- he's drinking wine! Wax statues always drink liquor on ice.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

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TheAlieness GiselaGiardino²³  Pro User  says:

Hey! why all this fuzz?! just because he walked on the moon? Oh, sorry, I forgot that you -humans- are not used to the space yet. Neil walked on the moon and ain´t no doubt about it. You have a lot to thank to these astronauts. For their success, you celebrate International Friend´s Day in July 20.

And now, with my head down to Earth, I see space and cyberspace conquerors gather together in this photo. Quite unique. My deepest respect. |-)
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

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carignan  Pro User  says:

I'm absolutely shattered. They didn't use Tang. I used to drink that every morning. My childhood breakfast was a farce.
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The Rocketeer  Pro User  says:

I can't wait to talk to my uncle about this and see what he says about that chemical ignition system. He was working on the space program from the very beginning and retired after he finished the Challenger. He was the Project Engineer for the Challenger. When he'd visit us, we'd all get something space related. I got a couple of tiles from the shuttle program once (test tiles) and I have a window of an Apollo capsule also. He said they cost something like $30,000 each. He had 5 and gave me one after he bought them at a "garage sale" at Rockwell International one time. Unfortunately, someone swiped the ones he had. I still have mine. I'll find it one day soon and show you a photo of it. It's about an inch think of "optically perfect" glass with a anti-reflective coating. Very cool stuff.
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artwitness says:

Wow. I'm so envious, words cannot express.

Weird, he looks almost the same as he did 35 years ago.

You're VERY lucky you got a chance to chat with him. From what I've seen he never gives interviews of any sort about the landing in person. I think Frontline or Nova tried to get him for a segment and they ended up having to do a writeup.
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cxJeff  Pro User  says:

Hypergolic fuels. They achieved their useful quality of igniting upon contact with each other at the expense of being extremely nasty substances. I believe the reaction control thrusters on the orbiter use the same fuels, and that's why they bring out those big blower fans on the runway after landing, before they let anyone approach.

Also, anyone interested in the Apollo project should check out Apollo by Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox. It's not about the astronauts, it's about the engineers, systems people, and flight controllers--the people who designed and controlled those missions with scratch pads, slide rules, and b&w screens full of numbers (and no fancy graphics). I can't recommend it highly enough--it's the best non-fiction I've ever read.
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Sunburn says:

I'm really impressed, Steve, at such an interesting question-- I can't imagine he's gotten that one before, and perhaps (who can say) it's elicited a valuable insight into the man's mind. Definitely something you can't get from the hundred-millionth iteration of "What was it like to walk on the moon for the first time?"

Sound like the guy's still as sharp as a tack, too. Anyway, asking the question suggests to m that you must be really good at what you do.

My dad runs into Captain James Lovell, the commander of Apollo 13, from time to time, as they're both retired Navy captains in similar post-navy careers. One could fairly guess what his answer to that question would be, but if my dad's game, I'll see if he can try it out on the man, heh.
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lysdexia [deleted] says:

I can beat those punks at NASA.
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Billy The Kid says:

This is why Steve is the best technology photo blogger in existance. Where else are you going to find a candid photo of Niel Armstrong, Bill Gates, among others, in addition to cutting edge technology and acient history.
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The Rocketeer  Pro User  says:

Dittos, Billy. Nobody I've found outdoes Steve on technology blogging. I really appreciate him sharing his exciting life with us through his blog and his photos.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

{blush}

Here's a more serious photo of Neil in action...
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sam_  Pro User  says:

But... I love Tang...
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_sarchi  Pro User  says:

Did armstrong know I wonder? they used bombs in the run-up to all up controversa
to ignite the waterfall of fuel that cascaded through each of the five engine nozzles on stage one article
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gdsanders  Pro User  says:

Amazing! Talk about rubbing shoulders with a celebrity. To heck with Hollywood, this guy is a REAL celebrity.

People 1,000 years from now will know about Neil Armstrong.
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Funny Fish  Pro User  says:

I just like the way you look into the camera! Like coming from another planet!
Posted 55 months ago. ( permalink )

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TheAlieness GiselaGiardino²³  Pro User  says:

he does. |-)
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BombDog  Pro User  says:

He's a star indeed - but, gdsanders, 1000 years from now people will remember the name of the man/woman who first walked on Mars.

Steve - how long were you holding the Tang pack for in this pose? Looks like you're beginning to lose Neil to a passing tray of canapes!
; )
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

not long... it was more of an ambush shot. ;-)
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Voe.  Pro User  says:

Neil Armstrong have never walked on the moon. All this "moon landing" was a big hoax made by NASA and Stanley Kubrick which is easy to proof.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

Pirates are always right. I have proof too:

Inside the LEM
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_sarchi  Pro User  says:

..that's got to be one of the dumbest human traits always willing to listen to facts that's like saying hurricane katrina never happened..spoilers please? bad astronomy does the tiresome crawl out of the sea..
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TheAlieness GiselaGiardino²³  Pro User  says:

"Pirates are always right. I have proof too"

best.comeback.ever.arrrrrr! P-)
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My Symbiosis  Pro User  says:

Very cool! Glad you had a chance to interview him :>

Thank you for sharing your photo on our 4th of July thread.

The World Through My Eyes
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~Reshma~  Pro User  says:

holy cow! what an honor!
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holotone  Pro User  says:

Tang?!? Nigga, please...
Posted 38 months ago. ( permalink )

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roddh  Pro User  says:

interesting story. funny picture.
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worm628  Pro User  says:

You are the man, I bow to your superiority. He's on the list of people I'd like to meet, along with Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku.
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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Haroldo Kennedy  Pro User  says:

Eu já sabia!
I already knew!

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Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Philippe Lejeanvre  Pro User  says:

Argh!! How lucky you are!
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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london3609 says:

Wow, I'm jealous!
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ideastoday says:

Armstrong is awesome! I ran into him in the airport last summer.
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AH in Pgh  Pro User  says:

He had nightmares for 2 years but he still climbed in and blasted off. That's courage.
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Jeff Clow  Pro User  says:

Great story, Steve.....I've read a lot about him but never that story about his nightmares.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

thanks. I just read this interesting passage in Apollo (p.359):

For Mike Collins, circling the moon alone, the lunar liftoff was the most nerve-wracking moment of his long flying career: During the six months since he had been selected to be the command module pilot, his secret terror had been that he might have to come back to Earth alone.

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london3609 says:

If you haven't already you must pick up a copy of Mike Collins's Carrying the Fire. I've read just about all the astronaut books and his is by far the best!
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ideastoday says:

Agreed! Carrying the Fire is excellent.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

Thanks! Will read that one next.
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ParishTorch  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called People Who have Had Their Photos taken With Celebrities, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

And this just in from the LRO... footsteps from Apollo 11...


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