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Presidential Obama

Who is taller? Looks like Obama takes the lead by a hair!
(Sorry Steve, looks like you can't be prez while Bama's on the Block)
Il va gagner
in paris tomorrow
Presidential Obama by jurvetson.
Is it wrong to long for a cool President?

From lunches I have had with Republican contenders, Obama is the one they worry about.

(More photos from my Obama meetings)

Quotes from his talk at John Thompson’s (Symantec) house tonight:

“People are hungry for a different politics, a different language. People are hungry for some leadership in Washington.

To many, politics appears to be a business, not a mission. America is waking up out of a long slumber. I’m seeing a sense of optimism - of hope rather than fear.

We’ve got a war that was never authorized and never should have been waged.

Green tech is important. If our cars can get 40-45 MPG, then we will need zero Middle East oil imports. What’s lacking is not technical. What’s lacking is a sense of political will.

Ending the war can help. We are spending $275 million per day in a war that is making us less safe.

The world is waiting for us to say ‘we’re back and we want to work with you'.

While we are at it, we can close Guantanamo and restore habeus corpus because that’s how we lead. The strength of our diplomacy has to be matched by the power of our ideals.

On the day I’m inaugurated, the people in our country will look at our selves differently, and people in other countries will look at our country differently.

Q&A: The first question was on his qualifications and experience:

“Look, I’ve been on the national scene for two years. People in Washington think nothing outside Washington counts. I’m applying for the most powerful job on Earth, and in case you didn’t notice I’m a 45 year old black guy. So there are some hurdles to be overcome. Experience is a proxy for judgment. Sometimes the experienced have bad judgment. No one has a better resume than Dick Cheney. At every stage there are a set of hurdles. I like clearing hurdles.”

The second question was a hard-hitting environmental question from Steve Kirsch (Infoseek) on coal-to-liquid:

“We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. If we could get coal to work without climate change or to at least be neutral with gas, then it would help us with energy independence. We are not going to eliminate coal from the menu of energy options, and China certainly won’t with one new coal plant coming on line per week.

The third question was about his views on religion and the separation of church & state:

“Faith is a powerful force in our society, often for good. Social movements – from abolition to the civil rights movement – were based in religion. The wisdom of our Founders is that we are not a theocracy. Here are things to guard against: the capture of of our government by a particular religion. For example, there is a good reason for having no prayer in school. Whatever convictions we have are translated into universal principles subject to reasoned argument. If you say you are opposed to abortion because of religion, that is a conversation stopper. If you can’t reason then democracy breaks down. It becomes a matter of force - whose will shall prevail? There is nothing wrong with a religious argument as long as it does not trump reason in our democracy.

(Photo by Steve Westly, former California State Controller and contender for Governor) 
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nimboo  Pro User  says:

right choice baby
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menlo  Pro User  says:

Did he tell you his secret plan to finance public housing with the help of his pal Tony Rezko?
www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS -obama05.art...
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Josh Thompson  Pro User  says:

Of course I don't get to meet the candidates in person. But I must say that every time I see an interview with Obama on TV I never fail to be impressed. For me, he passes the, "Would you like to see this guy when you turn on the TV to watch the President give a speech" test with flying colors.
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nels1  Pro User  says:

yep, a big fan of Obama, although after having watched the democratic presidential candidate debates on youtube, Kucinich is giving Obama, Clinton, and Edwards a run for their money for sure. why is he the only one in the whole lineup with the balls to impeach the VP?
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msamaclean ©  Pro User  says:

Obama is a refreshing new face, I'm hoping he's the real deal he seems. This has been a disapointing year when both Democrats & Republicans, when it comes to stepping up to bat and showing real leadership.
OH....great photo .
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!MimosaMicheMichelle! says:

You are getting to know all the candidates. That is good.

Another good souvenir shot.
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Orange_Wedge says:

it is not wrong at all...

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Seen in my contacts' photos. (?)
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sprklg says:

Your photostream never seems to run out of fresh surprises!
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theocean says:

he has such a considerate approach to his answers. an honest appraisal of reality without discounting anyone's worldview
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Leino88 says:

question is: ... how many are rehearsed answers? .... compared to being caught off guard, and answering from the heart?... i know there's a fine line... that the rehearsed answers could be germinated from the heart...(wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air)...it's just that politcal leaders, along with uber-religeous leaders.....seem to always fall on reherarsed answers....
sorry... just a serial-sceptic.

...but i still like the guy!
:P
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evermore  Pro User  says:

I was wondering when you were going to counterbalance that picture with Mitt Romney...

by the way.. you used to have a picture of your stack of books to be read on here but I can no longer find it. Any suggestions? Check out "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb if you get the chance!
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bartolo100 says:

Very cool photo, welcome to barack Obama "2008" photos.
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andyi  Pro User  says:

Hmm. He certainly hasn't done anything foolish, and he supports the causes that are important to me...but man, any Senator in his (or her!) first term has to climb a pretty big hill before they win my vote.

I mean, do you want a driver who rages against the machine, or one who knows how the machine works, what's wrong with it, how to fix it, and best of all how to coax it into moving forward when it seems determined to stay in the driveway?

Still, the election's still v.young and I have lots of reading to do...
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theocean says:

leino88: interesting point. i bet when a lot of people are asking the same questions you have time to refine your response.

evermore: "fooled by randomness" by Taleb is also good
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aeroculus says:

evermore: i second your suggestion!
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chadh  Pro User  says:

Wow! Steve, you know everybody!

@theocean: evermore: "fooled by randomness" by Taleb is also good

@aeroculus: evermore: i second your suggestion!

I agree, "fooled by randomness" was quite enjoyable. And on the subject of chance, "Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk", by Peter L. Bernstein, offers a great history of risk.

Based on evermore's suggestion, I look forward to reading "The Black Swan". Thanks for the reminder and recommendation.

Now that we're way off topic...or are we? Managing risk and understanding chance must be a daily activity for obama and his staff.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

evermore: is this the stack?

Bookshelf@work

There was also a discussion of recommendations on this blog post.

More recently, I have been on a bit of a thematic kick... after Dawkins' God Delusion and Harris' Letter to a Christian Nation, I am in the middle of Harris' The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason and Daniel Dennett's Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon. There's some discussion of these topics in the comments here
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!MimosaMicheMichelle! says:

I KNOW this is the stack referred to. I remembered it.

Ah, reading about religion being a natural phenomenon. For me, it is absolutely pure and simple since age 17. Love life, yourself, others, the world, everything...and all good behaviour will derive from that. This equates to a quite natural religion for me.
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evermore  Pro User  says:

yep that's the stack! I remember you were talking about "On Intelligence" at a Nanotech Investing Forum a couple years back. I blame that book and "The Selfish Gene" for removing any remaining need for faith I had, before "God Delusion" was even published.

ok, back to my erudition...
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nels1  Pro User  says:

that's a great stack you've got there!

i've been on the same thematic kick and am also going through Harris' two books. you might also like Michael Shermer's How We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God.

p.s ridley's Genome is brilliant...another all time favourite.
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Victor1  Pro User  says:

Steve, what is your religious backround that you should be so anti something you may never have actually experienced first hand? Its kind of like PC people telling you about the superiority of Windows Vista... but they've never owned a Mac. As a point of reference, what is your first hand genuine religious experience in life and how long were you involved in it?

Aside from this dissection of duality, there seems to be a modern track where science and spiritual experience actually overlap... The Field - Lynn McTaggart, Power Vs. Force and others by David Hawkins.... Depak Chopra... that's is the cutting edge. This old argument is like two blind people telling each other how to see things. I wish for both sides of the argument, a greater ability to see their seperate selves connected in a larger systemic picture !

Good smiles on those guys though eh?
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!MimosaMicheMichelle! says:

Good of you to speak up. I do enjoy knowing what others believe. In my opinion, this is a subject where each can listen with an open mind but must respect another person's beliefs even if very different from our own. Also, I think it is important to recognize that often people have a period in their life when they need to review their personal beliefs that might end up quite different from the ones their parents instilled in them. It is a necessary part of finding oneself, of defining one's identity at the most profound level. Spirituality, not religion, is the ultimate connection with the universe and our own soul.
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Victor1  Pro User  says:

... Mimosa, love your 'time travelling evolving perspective' -
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!MimosaMicheMichelle! says:

Merci! It reflects the essence of who I am.
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evermore  Pro User  says:

I enjoy a good discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin (1, 5, 5 million? hey, are there even 5 million angels?!) but it's moot if you do not believe in angels.

Same with religion(s); in my view, faith (belief in something that cannot be proven/falsified) is a side effect of our development as a child and the way our brains are structured, nothing more. Seeing faith in that light, the subsequent (subordinate) discussion on religions and other beliefs is irrelevant.

By the way, this does not in the least diminish my awe and wonder of nature and the universe.
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benjiman  Pro User  says:

IMHO, Victor, much of the confusion here is semantic. I find it hard to use the word "religion" these days. Does it really mean anything anymore?

FWIW, I've always read into Steve's Child/Beginner's Mind the basic, fundamental sense of Wonder that has to result when we look out into the universe and back into our own existance and our very being... Leaving only the child's love and wonder for all of it.

That is Spirit manifesting itself. In that sense, Steve is more Spiritual then 1000x of the most "Religious" people we'll meet.

I'd say that much of the "new school" spirituality you reference says the same. I recall reading The Dancing Wu Li Masters as a teen on a summer camp trip to Florida. I had to explain Schroedinger's Cat to my bunkmates by incating that we COULD NOT be sure that FLA existed until we got there and tested for it. I was young and it was a loooong bus ride from NY. :-)
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!MimosaMicheMichelle! says:

To me, religion is an organized set of beliefs and behaviours decided by others. I am strictly spiritual. I follow my own set of beliefs that come from my own spirit. Even though I have lots to say about this subject, I will not add more because you explain it well.
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David G Photography  Pro User  says:

I like Obama. Every-time he talks, he usually quite positive. That's different from most politicians. Many are always on the attack and only talk to tear down the opposition. Obama is a fresh voice that I find appealing.

Of course, with the primary schedule the way it is, we in Texas normally don't get a say in setting the ticket.
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svur says:

Very interesting - thanks for the comments.
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nels1  Pro User  says:

i just watched these "debates" on youtube.

Keyes-Obama debate (christianity).

Keyes-Obama debate (homosexuality).

as a non-U.S citizen and a citizen of a relatively secular country, it absolutely staggers me the depth at which religion is referred to by public figures, and the frequency with which they defer to god for the basis of their public policies. if this kind of language was used in debates in australia (and i'm sure very likely in other countries like the UK, France and Germany), they would be laughed out of the water.

from an outsider looking in, it certainly seems that the majority of the politicians in the U.S are genuinely from another planet.
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aeroculus says:

@Victor1: religion vs. science 'nonsense'? quite the opposite. look outside of the US where science is embraced and actually encouraged among young school kids, even among those of faith. their science and faith are usually kept seperate and they are not bogged down with court cases revolving around equal time for all viewpoints. these are also the same areas where much of the innovation that will be driving the new economies is taking place. The notion that everything (science, faith, art, culture, etc..) must be in some way connected is the root (not the only root, but one of the roots) of this problem.

Further, there is nothing even remotely 'cutting edge' about Deepak Chopra. Time and time again, he exhibits a very incomplete understanding of genetics as well as the role of mutations and random processes. That he is a physician is disturbing; that he has such an extraordinary following is mind blowing.
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Victor1  Pro User  says:

I'll go with Benjamin on this and then gracefully bow out of this discussion - the polarization isn't constructive and there's no middle ground through analysis - its a left brain war of words - semantics - and those who's spirit has developed further (what left brainers call 'right brain' - another left brain invention) understand this and my wish is that everyone develop their spiritual/right brain aspect of their overall selves, from which some of (all?) the foolishness of the left becomes apparent -- and there's plenty of literature (secular or religious) to help people moving in that direction along those lines. Its 'science vs. faith' for those who live a 'left brain vs. right brain' configuration of mind, and the distinctions externally are smaller when the 'division' internally is also small. My best to you all in your individual paths of development - they're all good as long as you keep moving along the path.
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

It may just be a dopamine thing.

Some people just have more of it... and see more patterns...
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nels1  Pro User  says:

thanks for the interesting article steve:)

you may also be aware of the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia where it's postulated that higher levels of dopamine in the brain is associated with the positive symptoms of schizophrenia such as delusions and visual and auditory hallucinations. having treated and conversed with many of these patients, i found it astounding the level of hyper-religiosity that was exhibited by many of them, thinking that they were either god, or that god spoke directly to them through the TV or radio or newspapers, or earnestly proclaiming the coming of the armageddon.

perhaps their levels of dopamine are much higher than the non-schizophrenic person, who only becomes less skeptical (rather than exhibiting signs of psychosis) when taking L-Dopa. it may be that the leap to schizophrenia is a large step-wise function of dopamine levels rather than a gradual incline.

it would be interesting to do further studies in this to see if similar symptoms of hyper-religiosity is present in patients in other cultures with schizophrenia. for instance, what kind of delusions and hallucinations a hindu would experience as their manifestations would likely be culture specific related to their base religion.

so the converse may be true, in relation to what Victor1 wrote, in that "the foolishness of the right (in more ways than one!) becomes apparent."

(having said that, however, neuroscience studies have now shown that the right-left brain dichotomy is way too simplistic a model in categorising our brain functions.)
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Victor1  Pro User  says:

Very interesting.. I do love how the two supposed 'halves' see each other, but what chemistry is behind this cool analysis? Every neurochemical cocktail defines itself as the norm...and some of those configurations are inclusive and some reducive, each with the effect on the other in some way or another. If simplifying a more complex state of mind down to an over-riding chemistry is the theme - "Natural Prozac" does that with great aplomb - an awesome read. He describes personality types by major neurotransmitter balance. Of course, the view from each is different - who knows what his was.

The Schizo-dope perspective has serious backing - Joseph's Cambell's lecture on mild schizophrenia as a form of archetypal 'hero's journey experience' that parallels the experience of undergoing large scale personal metamophosis is a really fascinating read. Perhaps a dopamine increase is a door then to re-arranging the previous constructs on one's mental make-up, and the therefore a path of evolution to a more developed state, like a tide returning to some mediteranean seaport, and floating all the boats that have been sitting on the beach, and then leaving them in different places when it leaves - to grossly oversimplify - which is also kind of like going into a weekend with a mind stuck on something, and having a dopamine rush activity of a length or intensity which suddenly shrinks all your problems down into a new and more maneagable configuration.

Then again, without being able to explain it, every drunk knows this! We're all 'addicted' to the nueurotransmitter soup that works for us on a daily basis and is consistent with many other parts of our psychology, biochem and culture.

Glad to hear that the ageing Left/Right dichotomy model is getting "bi" focals. The duality of the cortex is a drama king and queen - I vote for more midbrain research!
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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

I miss the Democrats of old that spoke about self reliance and self determination - like JFK... Do these types of Democrats exist anymore, or are we cursed with "old Europe" style socialism, high taxes, and a nanny-state policies from here on out? I only ask this question because I fear for the future of America.
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theocean says:

@kevitivity: it's weird to me that the rhetorical idea of self-reliance/self determination has been trumpeted so loudly, it's a misleading term. In the same way nature vs nurture is exhibited as dichotomous, self reliance is exhibited as antagonist to socialism - an idea that is labeled as fringe in order to lasso the ideological bandwidth to a range of acceptable thinking - when a capitalist society could never exist in a vacuum. We forget that recognizable features of a nation's prosperity and stability are brought on by the shared sacrifices and advances contributed by individuals to the whole. It is actually our ability to collaborate that gives us advantage. We cannot advance as far, as fast, at all, without each other. What would we do without books recording for future generations what headway we have already made? What ideas might have been lost or slowed if someone hadn't invented corrective lenses, or if medicine did not save some of us during sickness?
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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

@theocean: "shared sacrifices and advances contributed by individuals to the whole" is one thing. The problem arises when government controls and orchestrated this process - that is the important issue here.
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theocean says:

@ kevitivity: I think utility needs to be considered when judging government controls, because isn't the army, for example, something the government controls and orchestrates? In a democracy, this is probably a good thing... If you want to look at it another way, i think that good patent law encourages creativity (i.e. the advances, sacrifices, contributions made by individuals). Patent law enforcement is better orchestrated by a governmental entity than a citizen one.
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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

@theocean: "because isn't the army, for example, something the government controls and orchestrates?" Thats a really poor example because the military itself is not a democracy. You should think of the military as a service that is provided by the government, like the postal service, and obviously not in any way an analog to a free citizenry.

Obviously, laws are required in a functioning society - nobody is questioning that. The topic I was raising, which you seem to have missed, is how dangerous it is to hand over your rights to a government vis a vi high taxes and social programs. John f. Kennedy wrote in his book " Profiles in Courage" about the balance of freedom in America and how large social institutions and "tax the rich to give to the poor" policies have a drastic effect on individual freedoms. It's this issue that the Democrats of today have ceased to talk about - and thats scary.
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theocean says:

@kevitivity: Neither example i gave was an analogy. Moving on, i think you're trying to say that certain government services that can be called "social programs" restrict freedoms because....why? You don't really say. I can guess that you think taxes restrict freedoms because when government taxes wealth, one loses the ability (except by petition) to decide how it's spent. But if government optimizes the welfare of the people as a whole, if it corrects for market inefficiencies that are not in the public interest and if it creates an environment where more people can create more value, i don't see a problem with that. Taxes pay for things that serve the public and social programs should do that too.
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Obummer says:

If I could jump in... In general, large social programs require large tax increases. While taxes are a necessary evil, the are also an infringement on personal freedom. This used to be common knowledge... :(
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theocean says:

@joemo75: i guess i don't really disagree with taxes being a necessary evil. I think we have an attractive environment here in which benefits in allocation and policy from taxes can outweigh the loss from taxes. But social programs are often picked on as categorically illegitimate, which i think is false. They are just like FBI, the EPA, FDA, SEC etc, in that they invest, where the market won't or can't, in the welfare of the people. Social programs are more often cherry-picked as "large" - shorthand i think for over-funded and inefficient. Which i think is more true when looking broadly at government in general: programs like the FBI, homeland security, social security, farm subsidy, corporate subsidy come to mind, the IRS even. I'd rather not have taxes wasted, too.
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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

@joemo: Thanks for crystallizing my thoughts, although I don't think you do justice to just how damaging government social programs are to a free society. Besides sapping personal freedoms via high taxes, strict law, and massive government, they create "slaves to the state" - something that is well documented historically. Governmental welfare programs are utterly indifferent to the human spirit - something our founding father understood.

It's seems like it's mostly European socialists and kids from Cal State schools (Berzerkley. CA?) that need to be reminded of things like the human spirit, self reliance, and self determination... Its a sad state of affairs.
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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

@theocean: So you would like the government to take over everything? What does that include and exclude, and why?
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theocean says:

I don't. I've been pretty exhaustive about explaining the conditions where I think government should step in.

Do you think the U.S. should have a federal reserve chief?

And hey, I like Berkeley.
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benjiman  Pro User  says:

I really, really like what Obama is talking for energy policy. Good stuff.
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geminian1706 says:

i like Obama's views and ideas...its what the world need, he is what world needs, by the way, in malaysia, the ppl doesnt elect their pressident, their former pressident does that, we just vote, but i wonder, how clean is malaysian election commission, coz every time the election comes, no other party wins, its always barisan nasional wins...ther r other parties such as DAP, PAS, Keadilan, and etc...why is that, and why a Chinese or an indian in malaysia cant be the president of malaysia, ever... not once in history, and Hindraf claims are true and genuine, in every espect in this country, HINDRAF.. look it up,

ther is no Freedom of Speech, ther is no Freedom of Media, ther is no Freedom to gathering, the current government does not respect the constitution,n and when other country leaders, the one im mentioning "President Bush", remarks, and advices, the disrespect him by saying, take care of ur own affairs, dont interfere with our affairs, but as far as i know the malaysian govt has been interfrering with international affairs, like sending army troops to lebanon, bosnia, middle east and etc,,,

even the son in law of prime minister of malaysia has been a jack ass by disrespecting england and USA..by jumping like a munkee and organising an illegal rally to humiliate the us infront of the US embassy in malaysia...

and when a malaysian speak up about his or her rights, the govt answers by putting them under ISA (internal Security Act), such as Detention without trial for as long as they please.
this is what happend very recently, i hope the US govt will interfere and just kill these stupid malaysian government by bombing them, they are the real terrorists, the islamic terrorists of malaysia...
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shutter.chick  Pro User  says:

you got your photo taken with obama! lucky you!
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

and now, a cool video too...

The Audacity of Hope... Last year, it seemed like a dream...

Barack Obama on the Primary
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shutter.chick  Pro User  says:

Yes this is a cool video (althought there is some debate about it...) I think all his work as a community organizer has helped and now he is really using all of the avenues that he can to reach his public (targeting the younger voters.)

On a much smaller level, I worked as a community organizer before the internet. Then I worked again as an organizer with the internet and our listserv was an important aspect of our lobbying for a bill. What a difference!

After hearing Obama speak in Minneapolis to a crowd of 20,000 the audacity to hope does seem more like a reality than a dream! ( I haven't read this book yet but I have read Dreams From My Father.)

He seems like a genuine person with integrity. Did he seem that way in person too? He reminds me of JFK and also a bit like our beloved late Senator Paul Wellstone.

Here's a clip from his speech in Minneapolis
www.startribune.com/video/15150016.html
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benjiman  Pro User  says:

Come on CA!

ROCK THE VOTE.

BARACK 2 THE FUTURE!
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nels1  Pro User  says:

here is a hilarious and brilliant video parody of mccain, from the same people who made the video for obama!
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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

OMG! Must see tv
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nels1  Pro User  says:

here is another one, but of hillary. i'm not sure if it's a parody or if it's real!
in any case, i never realised that she ran for office in the 80's :P
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nels1  Pro User  says:

antichristwatch, thanks for the humour to start off my day! :)
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shutter.chick  Pro User  says:

nels1
you're right...I need to see this as humor (instead of getting ticked like I originally did.)

see you all in hell because I'm voting for the "anti-christ"
dave's magnets-hell
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nels1  Pro User  says:

shutter.chick, yes when faced with such things, the only thing you can do is laugh...

after all, trying to reason with a fundamentalist is like trying to turn water into wine;)
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shutter.chick  Pro User  says:

ha! good one
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dutchflyer64 says:

Inspiring.
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tsevis  Pro User  says:

Thanks for that!
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shanda.w  Pro User  says:

how just HOW do i get to take a picture with Obama! Fabulous photo!
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radiospike photography  Pro User  says:

hell yeah!
what a great shot... I'm jealous!
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habsburg06  Pro User  says:

What a remarkable photo ! I really admire Senator Obama ! He is a fascinating gentleman !
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gemmafactrix [deleted] says:

yes we can.
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The Real PANTS.  Pro User  says:

they give obama way to much publicity and good media
there doing exactly what they did to make bush look good!
your all buying into it just watch 2 years after the election theres gonna be huge controversy over obama and his "PLANS"

do you agree?
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Kevitivity  Pro User  says:

It's going to be fun watching Obama's campaign unravel - it's already starting... "Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing 'God Bless America' but 'God damn America" from ABC news: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&p age=1
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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SteamCrow  Pro User  says:

I made an illustration off of your photo, here:

www.flickr.com/photos/secret-creatures/234619 8749/

I've credited you as well, as per the CC license.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )

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Kevin Krejci  Pro User  says:

Grominate, I don't recollect Bush ever speaking so eloquently before he got elected. I agree with you there is something to be said for execution and not just eloquence, and the proof will be in the pudding, but this is refreshing to hear, and I hope we are not misunderestimating the potential for positive change he can bring about with a little change of attitude... Besides, its up to all of us to make the difference, not just relying on our fearless leaders to do everything. ;-)
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

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africanbodyguard says:

he gotta a support from Rwanda
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )

notusaculture [deleted] says:

American Patriotism is nothing more than a nostalgic dream of a country which no longer exist. There is such a fast difference in the level and kind of freedoms we once had. Family culture in America in no way resembles what it once was. Politicians from the Right and Left read from the same script like professional actors fooling people into thinking they are actually making some kind of choice when they vote. Like the movie MATRIX, you can taste the steak, even if it does not exist. But all dreams die. A new kind of values is coming to this country. It is a new type of horror which will be altogether very real. It makes no difference who you elect as president. I refuse to vote and be a part of this lie any longer. I was once an election offiicial!!! I went to July 4th parades. I hung out the flag. I hate this country that exist today. I pray to find a country which will let me move to and work there. Many countries are closing doors because other Americans see it too.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Cheap Tart says:

I heard he is trying to quit smoking. ?
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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R-Rated Birdman of Hell Paso  Pro User  says:

Obama the master phoney politician.
It's impossible to attend a bigotted, racist, America hating church for over 20 years without being a bigot, a racist and an America hater.
That is just plain common sense.
This guy is as phoney as they come, a master bullshit artist and an empty suit.
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )

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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

Sounds like a clarion call from the 5th Circle of Hell Paso...
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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guesswhoimet says:

Great pic!! Post it to my group? www.flickr.com/groups/guesswhoimet
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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flipkeat  Pro User  says:

Seen in: :

Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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sydneykauai says:

Hawaii is gearing up to do tons of Money shots with Barack Obama his pictures are going for some top dollars all over the world. Is there really a Brand explosion going to on with his images? We think so.

I want a picture with Barack too!
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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The Real PANTS.  Pro User  says:

why do you people believe he is gonna bring change
obama he is being run by the same corrupt people the funded the bush family
how can you be so near sighted!!!
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )

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dejotas15 says:

I invite everybody in this conversation to inspire others to vote. Go to this site: www.amillionreasonstovote.com and share one of your million reasons to vote.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )

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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

Animorg: that's funny. Obama has over 3 million individual donors... and no PACs or corporate donations. That's about as opposite from Bush and McCain as you can get. I bet you can't find 3 million willing Bush donors today if you tried.

I have been pleased to see the libertarian Republicans I know voting for Obama. For the folks I know, it's their first time to break from the GOP.
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )

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ComputerHotline  Pro User  says:

Thanks for licensing this image as CC "by" !
Your photo is uploaded here :
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jurvetson_-_P residential_...
under the terms of the Creative Commons "by" license.

--
Found in a search. (?)
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

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Frank de Kleine  Pro User  says:

I agree, thanks for doing that! I created an Obama Coloring Page with this picture as an example. Sorry to say, but I left you out of it ;-) Check it out @ www.letmecolor.com/2009/01/24/coloring-americ an-president...
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

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schoschie  Pro User  says:

Funny, never thought about it, but now that I read he's 46; I thought he was (even) younger.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

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guesswhoimet says:

great photo!!! post it to www.guesswhoimet.com!!!! xx
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

*Obama talk to me or U gonna die,:call me .
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

*Michelle mi* Chellll
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

*GO*....idiot
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

*GO* idiot ...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

GO! ~ well,it aint so so funny.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

don't dis,shit bitch ever STOP or its u guys, u know how much I must of hate him,to kill,him, and any1 like him2;to do like-wize.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joannefranklin9 says:

dam,I`mglad he`s ded,and any1 like,dat..idiot
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

OK, I think it's best to take this inner monologue offline...
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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David G Photography  Pro User  says:

Well, that is very strange and rather unfortunate. Its one thing to disagree with someone's viewpoint or opinion, but this is simply wrong.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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jurvetson  Pro User  says:

the recent comments I presume? (if so, I think it might be just an off-meds ticker tape)
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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joshuajones95 says:

OMFG, you met Obam!!! I would go NUTZZZZZZZ if I ever met him... Great pic
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

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huskie767 says:

obama is making bush look like a genius. Why is obama a bigot?

Why did he describe his grandma as a typical white person?
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

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IseFire  Pro User  says:

your caption, Jurvetson, about Republicans deeming then-Sen. Obama to be the candidate to worry about proved prescient indeed!

(i'm jealous that you had opportunity to meet him.)
Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )

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