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joe holmes says:

one more shot of this train at joe's nyc
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

From street photographer matt weber:

"A friend of mine who's a graffiti expert passed along this info:
In case you didn't know that was a VIM(OA) car. The Vandals In Motion and Monsters Of Art crews are brother/sister crews from the Coppenhagen, Sweden, Holland area and I guess one of them was visiting NYC on vacation."
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

notraces says:

Absolutely cool -- and I LOVE the extra info here... it's a small world afterall...
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

cosentino says:

thanks for the wallpaper! ;)
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

chacabuco says:

amazing story, great shot too
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

|Shrued says:

I really hope they bring back graffiti on subway cars. There was something special about all those tags.

And this time, the Warriors will kill Sirus!
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

cosentino says:

while the graf looks cool and brings back fond memories of the early 1980s, it's still vandalism and my tax dollars are paying for MTA employees to work overtime cleaning it off. However, I think the MTA should hire legitimate graf artists to create vinyl "wraps" for the subway cars. Problem solved!
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

MacDawg says:

Or they could just leave it up there and not bother to clean it off. Vinyl wrap! Feh! The subways would then end up like those buses with the vinyl wrapper selling Doritos, or would be sponsered by Reebok, or some shit like that. Please don't give Bob in Marketing any more ideas, we live with enough advertisments in this town as it is.
The great thing about street art is that it is not publicly funded, it comes out of somesone's need to create regardless of funding or approval. If you don't like the work, that's fine, your precious tax dollars weren't spent on it. The only way to keep these endeavors purely artistic is to do them illegally.
Legitimate graf artists, please! Even De La Vega stills gets run in by the cops.
Incidently, I wonder what kind of paint they used because the new subway cars have a non-stick coating that makes spray paint drip right off.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

cosentino says:

I wish people would give up this romantic notion of a gritty New York City complete with graffiti-covered subways. I appreciate graf as much as the next OG (hell, I'm associated with it) but I've come to enjoy our clean-ish subway system. Part of the massive reduction in subway crime that started in the mid 1980s can be attributed to the crackdown on "petty" crimes such as graffiti and turnstyle hopping. And as much as you like to think otherwise, the subway is NOT a venue for street art, and graffiti does NOT have to be done illegally in order for works to be purely artistic. There are hundreds of legal murals and pieces around the city done by legitimate graf artists who just want a place to display their art, and I think an MTA-funded project would be well-received. If everyone had your attitide graffiti as an artform would be doomed and forever viewed as a nuisance and associated with crime and a time many New Yorkers would like to forget.

Anyway, regarding the stainless steel subway cars, it's not the case that the paint drips right off. The coating over the steel just makes it super easy to clean off.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

sour mash says:

what?!

Thats crazy!
I could careless if NY is clean or dirty. I definately would prefer painted surfaces to litter. I don't think that "street art" and graffiti are the same thng. I also don't see how making a font makes someone "associated" with either.

I don't really see some one doing legal spray painting as a legitmate graf artist. that would be a waste of my tax money. The thing about both graffiti and street art is that its done with out permission. I seriously doubt if anyone doing either gives a damn about individual tax payers.

Whatever though.... its crazy that someone pulled this off and it ran.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

zooyorkcityboy says:

I was just about to spit the same shit as Creeper. A contracted piece is not graffiti. Street art and graffiti are not the same thing.

Worried about your tax dollars cleaning trains...bah! the trains are ran through a car wash. it's not the 80's anymore.

i can post a link too

Legitimate graf vinyl wraps!?!? ooooook, next.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

|Shrued says:

I disagree as well. The MTA is such a screwed-up organization that your tax dollars will always be paying for something; and if it's not tax dollars, it's a fare hike because the MTA is "losing" money. We'll never win with them.

Graffiti can be bothersome in many cases (covering storefronts, advertisements, etc.), but not when it comes to the exterior of a subway car; besides, it gives each train its own identity of sorts! Now if you graffiti over the repetitive advertisements inside of the subway car, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. =)
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

Peter213 says:

be one thing if the writers were tax paying new yorkers instead of european nut swingers. stay in europe and paint your own trains with government funded Montana and Belton paint and stop treating NYC like a 2nd world playground. and axe that corny swirl in the bottom of the S. yuk. NY keeps on making it and Europe keeps on taking it. ;)
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

Peter213 says:

ps. although the above may sounds harsh i am writing with a certain amount of humor so do not trip too hard, especially the europeans.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

cosentino says:

To the illegal graffiti proponents: time to grow up! Either you're too young to remember NYC being a shithole or you're too old to still be defending vandalism. But you can keep going with the romantic vision if it helps you sleep at night, even if everyone and their grandmother has done the graf thing. It's no longer edgy or underground, and it's you who is getting in the way of it earning the respect it deserves as an artform. Does that make me a sellout (how dare I suggest something as sensible as a vinyl wrap)? Maybe so, but it also means I'm "all grown up" now.

Creeper: if you could "care less" whether NY is clean or dirty then you're part of the problem, so why should anyone listen? And why is supporting legitimate public artwork a waste of your money?

Shrued: of course the MTA is a screwed up organization but does that mean we should throw up our hands and say "fuck it"? I agree with you about graf giving trains a unique identity but come on, sneaking into a trainyard and doing it illegally (especially when you know it will be washed off by the end of the day) is just the wrong way to go about it nowadays. There's a middle ground.

And I think those street artists/graf writers who are given the opportunity to create legal/contracted pieces (most of whom have outgrown the "outlaw" aspect of the scene) would disagree with your claims that their work is illegitimate.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

Peter213 says:

"either you're too young to remember NYC being a shithole or you're too old to still be defending vandalism."

OR

you were no where near NYC in 70s. Maybe experiencing it as an adult would not have been bad but as a little kid it was pretty depressing.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

sour mash says:

i may have been a bit harsh but come on Nike or Coke would be the sponsor of the proposed vinyl wraps. How is sanctioned artwork graffiti I guess I like the dirt, difference of opinion.

I maybe too young and not from NY but I also would argue that there are downsides to towns that are so well manicured people are afraid to look each other in the eye. I suppose many New Yorkers are afraid to look each other in the eye as well.

I have been awake for way to long so excuse me if nothing I say makes sense.
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

keusta [deleted] says:

Graffiti Can Be Stopped !!!
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

|Shrued says:

I must be a hopeless romantic. =)
Posted 57 months ago. ( permalink )

WiL of .... says:

A bigger problem in the subways is the scratchfitti, on the windows of most of the trains.
Posted 56 months ago. ( permalink )

Nycx [deleted] says:

Forget you guys, Its time street art like stenciling and pasting goes into the tunnels in the subway it would be like a moving art gallery, dont act like nyc isnt a shithole already.......
Posted 54 months ago. ( permalink )

erokCom says:

I think it's art. Plain and simple. And I think the MTA has cleaned up a lot from that time. Go out and buy a copy of StyleWars. Then compare.
Posted 47 months ago. ( permalink )

street stars says:

i keep praying for a major crime wave so all the yuppie gentrifiers will leave. what?! yeah f* them and everyone who's all "the city is so much better and safer without graf."

you want safety and blue skies, move out of a dense urban area. ( i'm here cuz i like the grim and filthy and excitement)

first you can't kill it. it's bigger than anyone person.

second, graf has been around since man has. cave paintings, the city walls of pompeii... it is vitally apart of our psyche, our collective human need to say here i am, i exist.

why is this important?

cuz there are people ouit there taking back a little piece of the world. they aren't asking permission. they are staking out their lives for themselves. perhaps that doesn't mean anything to someone who just wants to go through life accepting shit at face value and sayin yessum. but we need people who don't say yes. when there is injustice, these are the revolutionaries. these are the same people who stormed the bastile and dropped tea into boston's harbor.

fuck art bomb everything.
Posted 41 months ago. ( permalink )

Wood, Metal, Glass, Wicker and More says:

cosentino, if you were only doing graffiti because you felt like it could make you "edgy" and maybe even help you finally attain the incredible status of "underground" that you were or still are seeking, you are clearly not a graffit writer and should not be expected to be able to understand. writer's who do graffiti to be "edgy" are considered toys

you're not a sell-out, you had nothing to sell out
but vinyl wraps would be at least as bad as graffiti on trains, as it would still look like graffiti, and it would be sponsored by a large corporation
for many people, one aspect of graffiti is being able to reclaim a part of the public space around us without having to be able to pay thousands of dollars to do it
it is sort of a romantic notion
and i'm aware that it never works out in the end
every graffiti artists gets arrested eventually

maybe you're all grown up now and can't appreciate the adrenaline rush, fun and spontaneous creativity that separates graffiti from the average day job, but you're incessant arguing does not seem to portray you as a very mature person
by saying that you are, perhaps, not the most mature and adult person i do not mean to suggest that I am
i take pleasure in being able to do things just because they're fun and understand things that most people can't because they are far from logical
there is no reason for graffiti artists to go risk prison time to steal paint and then stay up all night to walk for hours and inhale toxic fumes
no one thanks them
it is physically deteriorating

maybe in your little vandal stage that you went through with your grandmother, you did not have the kind of dedication to do this on a regualr basis, which would further explain some of your lack of understanding.

you should never say "street artist/graf writer", because those are two very different things, despite both being on the street and often done in spray paint
but since you clearly don't understand writing graffiti, i'm not sure i would be able to explain the difference to you
if you're interested, feel free to ask and I'll give it a try

no one said that people who do legal graffiti-style art's work is illegitimate-- it was merely said that there is a difference between legal graffiti-styled murals and graffiti (one aspect of which is its illegality). many people do murals AND graffiti, and noone was saying that ALL of their work wasn't graffiti just because they did some legal walls. The point being made was that those particular walls are not actual graffiti.
those people who used to do illegal graffit and have now moved on to legal walls, have now moved on from being graffiti writers and turned into more traditional artists. I don't think they would refute this claim.

If you don't understand, I will be happy to explain anything you want to my full ability.

And, the city HAS gotten nicer since the days when graffiti ran on trains. but this is not due to the fact that subway graffiti in new york is no more. the changes were simultaneous, but it is possible to largely stop a crack epidemic without wasting much-needed resources and money on catching petty crime committing graffiti writers
The back corners of the city are losing their personalities everyday as money pours in through young, hip, white people, and the city gets "cleaned up"
it is getting safer, to some extent, but when the diverse cultures of new york city have dissappeared and everything is "safe", I will wonder if I really like the city better.

------------
this is a beautiful shot of a subway car, a clean s and an inspiration to many who miss the days of graffit on trains
Posted 40 months ago. ( permalink )

Jhihmoac says:

I never minded the graffiti on the outside of the cars...some of it looked cool...most of it was junk...But when I had to sit on it...or be unable to see what station I'd arrived at...or not see the maps as to where I was headed...Absolutely NOT!!
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

NYLONATRONIK says:

cosentino and others like him are corporate coffee table book graphic designers,....stop dreaming that you were ever associated with it and worse still, attempting to lend kudos to your wack fonts.
You parasites want the nice part of graf but cant take the heat, the sleepless nights,stakeouts,trying to get your flicks,the dirt,dogs and wire. Now you are all grown up? ho ho. Some people do it because they love it, not to be edgy or on the path to some 'legitimate' mural career. It just is what it is, not a vinyl wrap,not a chicken mc grafwich, graffiti is not a nike shoe and it is not hip hop, certainly aint supposed to be the cling wrapped corporate joke that so much of it has become.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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