the whole bottle deposit thing makes a lot of
sense - I wonder when it stopped and how it
died out in the west.
In China I noticed that many people (mostly
old people, some we would probably call
"tramps" in London, but many who
appeared to have at least the bare
essentials) spent their days collecting
discarded plastic and glass bottles to return
for their deposits. Certainly means that
more bottles are recycled - should we
reinstate the deposits?
Quite a few states in the US have bottle
deposits (5 or 10 cents), but the difference
between the relative worth of a plastic
bottle to one's income in the US is large
enough that few people worry about it. Here,
that deposit makes a difference...people
can't afford to throw much away. In the US,
we can afford not to recycle if we choose.
I've lived in bottle deposit states in the US
most of my life, and I'd be the first to
advocate that we get rid of it. It was great
before curbside recycling, but now it's just
a pain. You have to keep the deposit cans and
bottles separate or lose your $.05 per can.
And it's a pain in the butt to save them all
up, lug them to the redemption center, and
get covered with sticky flat beer and soda,
all for about $7.
Also, I always see homeless people in the US
collecting deposit cans for $.
If there is any question about the quality of
the water, don't have ice. And no, the
alcohol in booze isn't enough to kill the
critters that can be in the water. Nice idea
but it doesn't work. All the best.
@megnut: but the point is that it's enough
incentive for you to bother lugging the
bottles to the centre? So in this world
where we should[*] be recycling as much as we
can the deposit has done its job?
ISTR that when I was growing up in NI there
used to be a bottle man who would drive round
in a truck once a month and collect all our
bottles, give us the deposit back and sell us
new drinks... that's gone now too :-(
oh, maybe I missed the point about kerbside
recycling... I guess that there should be
some system so that they give you your
deposits back if you leave the bottles on the
kerb, but then someone will come and swipe
your bottles, I guess. hmmm.... if only we
could incentivise people to bother to put
their bottles on the kerbside in the first
place.
I separate the bottles that have deposits
from the rest of the recyclables and then put
the whole lot out on the curb on recycle day.
Someone comes by and takes them before the
city recycle crew shows up. The people vary
but the net/net is the same. The bottles get
recycled; someone who can use a few bucks
gets them and I don't have to go to the
recycle center.
Man, I can just see the bacteria flowing up
that straw, down into your stomach, taking up
residence in your intestines and quickly
directing all subsequent traffic directly to
the exit.
Yeah, I long ago stopped worrying about the
deposit. It's not worth it to me to save my
bottles and get the deposit back for myself.
I put them out on the curb and consider it a
donation to whatever hard-luck person decides
to pick them up. Or, if they get picked up by
the recycler then that is good, too.
My senior thesis in college was about the
scam of modern-day recycling.
Curbside pickup companies put more toxins in
the air from the trucks that have to pick up
your recycle-ables than would be created
through the process of creating something
from scratch. The trucks drive up to 8 times
farther than garbage trucks to get to their
final destination.
On top of that, there are an equal if not
marginally more number of toxins created from
the recycling process of plastic and glass
compared to the fabrication of new plastic
and paper products.
We also suffer losses in the billions of
dollars to the ridiculous laws relating to
mandatory recycling.
You wanna recycle? Water your plants with
your bathwater. Make a chair out of that
cardboard box.
dragulescu: environmentalists have always
said that reducing is more important than
recycling.
furthermore, it's also important to create
recycling centers that utilize recycled goods
in the area where they're produced. for
example (a failed project, but it's the main
one I know about), someone attempted to build
a paper mill to use recycled paper in the
Bronx. It would have saved tons of waste and
pollution due to the sheer amount of paper
produced and thrown away each day in NYC. It
would have produced almost all the newsprint
the Times would need for each paper. That
would have been an effective environmental
solution for something we use all the time.
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jasmeet (91 months ago | reply)
Oh man, does that bring back memories
tiangotlost (91 months ago | reply)
It looks like a colostomy bag. I hope it is actually orange soda, not someone with kidney failure.
animoller (91 months ago | reply)
That really does look like a piss bag.
gordasm (91 months ago | reply)
A vitamin B piss bag.
Plutor (91 months ago | reply)
It holds the beverage both before and after you've drunk it.
luxuryluke (91 months ago | reply)
Now *that's* what I call recycling!
overshadowed (91 months ago | reply)
classy
dps (91 months ago | reply)
the whole bottle deposit thing makes a lot of sense - I wonder when it stopped and how it died out in the west.
In China I noticed that many people (mostly old people, some we would probably call "tramps" in London, but many who appeared to have at least the bare essentials) spent their days collecting discarded plastic and glass bottles to return for their deposits. Certainly means that more bottles are recycled - should we reinstate the deposits?
marilink (91 months ago | reply)
unfortunately, that makes sense in this world we live
jkottke (91 months ago | reply)
Quite a few states in the US have bottle deposits (5 or 10 cents), but the difference between the relative worth of a plastic bottle to one's income in the US is large enough that few people worry about it. Here, that deposit makes a difference...people can't afford to throw much away. In the US, we can afford not to recycle if we choose.
charsuede (91 months ago | reply)
have you tried the green fanta? poison, probably, but yummm
osakasteve added this photo to their favorites. (91 months ago)
baronvonaaron (91 months ago | reply)
you didn't get it with ice did you? i was forbidden by my uncle/tour guide to drink things out of bags for fear of getting sick.
jkottke (91 months ago | reply)
Of course I got the ice...it was hot out.
megnut (91 months ago | reply)
I've lived in bottle deposit states in the US most of my life, and I'd be the first to advocate that we get rid of it. It was great before curbside recycling, but now it's just a pain. You have to keep the deposit cans and bottles separate or lose your $.05 per can. And it's a pain in the butt to save them all up, lug them to the redemption center, and get covered with sticky flat beer and soda, all for about $7.
Also, I always see homeless people in the US collecting deposit cans for $.
steward23 (91 months ago | reply)
If there is any question about the quality of the water, don't have ice. And no, the alcohol in booze isn't enough to kill the critters that can be in the water. Nice idea but it doesn't work.
All the best.
dps (91 months ago | reply)
@megnut: but the point is that it's enough incentive for you to bother lugging the bottles to the centre? So in this world where we should[*] be recycling as much as we can the deposit has done its job?
ISTR that when I was growing up in NI there used to be a bottle man who would drive round in a truck once a month and collect all our bottles, give us the deposit back and sell us new drinks... that's gone now too :-(
[* if you believe in this kind of thing]
dps (91 months ago | reply)
oh, maybe I missed the point about kerbside recycling... I guess that there should be some system so that they give you your deposits back if you leave the bottles on the kerb, but then someone will come and swipe your bottles, I guess. hmmm.... if only we could incentivise people to bother to put their bottles on the kerbside in the first place.
austins (91 months ago | reply)
"the whole bottle deposit thing makes a lot of sense"
Except now you have plastic bags everywhere. ;o)
steward23 (91 months ago | reply)
I separate the bottles that have deposits from the rest of the recyclables and then put the whole lot out on the curb on recycle day. Someone comes by and takes them before the city recycle crew shows up. The people vary but the net/net is the same. The bottles get recycled; someone who can use a few bucks gets them and I don't have to go to the recycle center.
x4d41 (91 months ago | reply)
In Brazil some places they sell the soda like that too :)
Ben Lowery (91 months ago | reply)
Man, I can just see the bacteria flowing up that straw, down into your stomach, taking up residence in your intestines and quickly directing all subsequent traffic directly to the exit.
Good luck.
msjacoby (91 months ago | reply)
I had bagged soda in Ghana. Man, that is living.
ae (91 months ago | reply)
Yeah, I long ago stopped worrying about the deposit. It's not worth it to me to save my bottles and get the deposit back for myself. I put them out on the curb and consider it a donation to whatever hard-luck person decides to pick them up. Or, if they get picked up by the recycler then that is good, too.
JCEFalconi (91 months ago | reply)
They do the same thing in Mexico for Soda and Juice.
lapenn (91 months ago | reply)
I think it's the ice that did it to you. I drank bags of soda all across Latin America with nary a problem.
Mark Feenstra (91 months ago | reply)
The iced thai coffee is worth any possible stomach troubles.
strikter (91 months ago | reply)
We do that in mexico too. No need to go over there to see that.
rastariza (91 months ago | reply)
looks like a jamaican sky juice!
Bobby Dragulescu (91 months ago | reply)
My senior thesis in college was about the scam of modern-day recycling.
Curbside pickup companies put more toxins in the air from the trucks that have to pick up your recycle-ables than would be created through the process of creating something from scratch. The trucks drive up to 8 times farther than garbage trucks to get to their final destination.
On top of that, there are an equal if not marginally more number of toxins created from the recycling process of plastic and glass compared to the fabrication of new plastic and paper products.
We also suffer losses in the billions of dollars to the ridiculous laws relating to mandatory recycling.
You wanna recycle? Water your plants with your bathwater. Make a chair out of that cardboard box.
lapenn (91 months ago | reply)
dragulescu: environmentalists have always said that reducing is more important than recycling.
furthermore, it's also important to create recycling centers that utilize recycled goods in the area where they're produced. for example (a failed project, but it's the main one I know about), someone attempted to build a paper mill to use recycled paper in the Bronx. It would have saved tons of waste and pollution due to the sheer amount of paper produced and thrown away each day in NYC. It would have produced almost all the newsprint the Times would need for each paper. That would have been an effective environmental solution for something we use all the time.
katyray added this photo to their favorites. (90 months ago)
Benn Glazier (90 months ago | reply)
I had people follow me down the street in Saigon for empty water bottles.
...and I had kids on the backlots of Hoi An try and pinch water bottles (with water in them) as we rode past on pushbikes!
Tabbulous (82 months ago | reply)
OOH Loveit. That's how it used to be in Singapore too... and there's nothing unhygienic about it.. except maybe the ice they use ...
paco2046 [skype: hiplakat] added this photo to his favorites. (67 months ago)