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islamicelt.homage to islam.1996-98.jpg

islamicelt.homage to islam.1996-98.jpg by jimfitzpix.
With Islamophobia rampant in the west today more than ever before this work now has a relevance to our times. When I did it in 1998 it was purely to remind people in Ireland of our North African roots and play on the interchangability of Celtic and Quoranic Islamic artwork.
Now with the modern day Crusaders invading Arab lands it has a relevance I had never anticipated. 

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Mikey Brick  Pro User  says:

Quite a beautiful blend of artistic traditions. I hear a bit of commonality in the music as well. And not just when listening to Afro-Celt Sound System.
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Dead on, Mikey, right on the button. So many shared customs, culture, art and music. Our earliest (before Saint Patrick) Christian missionaries came from the Coptic churches of north Africa.
P.S. Love the Afro-Celts!
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khalid says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Muslim Cultures, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.

I've always had an affinity for Celtic music... my favorite band is probably Dervish, and strangely enough there's even a fine fiddle band out there known as the "Belfast Muslims". I've long known that the European troubadour tradition traces its roots to the Sufi tariqas, but I didn't know that Irish people trace their roots to North Africa... do you have more information on this?

thanks and cheers!
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Chuck Lukacs says:

Beautiful, Jim !! "Sick and tired of the ism-schism"
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Hi Khalid. Just finished reading a few of Sh.Abdal Hakim Murad's articles. Enjoyed his history lesson on the 'Corsairs'. Well written and quite witty and ironic. Found the link on your site. Use that image anywhere you wish and circulate it as widely as you can. We're all bored senseless with the current demonisation of Islam; sameold sameold shite. The 'usual suspects' to be rounded up used to be Irish, now they are Muslim. Nothing changes for the corrupt British Establishment -even the rigging of evidence, shooting of innocent "suspects', -been there, done that, refused to buy the lies.
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Qamar*  Pro User  says:

Beautiful artwork. I'm Muslim and happen to like some irish music, Pogues, the Chieftains, christy moore.

I'm definitly going to listen to it in a different light.

Once again a beautiful piece. Must have taken ages.
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Took an age indeed! One of the things that bothers me is the fact that the Sacred Art of the Quran is absolutely neglected in modern Islam. Where are the great Quranic artists? where are the patrons? It's not like they are short of the tiny amount of money needed to patronise the Sacred Arts -they are just too rich, materialistic self-absorbed and disinterested. Even those who call for return of the Caliphate do nothing to pressurise their leaders to support the return of the Sacred Art of the Quran. Their leaders could support and finance dozens of Sacred Art madrasses for the price of a single palace.
We have to start somewhere: spread the word.
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khalid says:

You're absolutely right, Jim. The traditional scholars have pointed this out repeatedly. See for example Khaled Abou el-Fadl's The Search for Beauty in Islam, or Murad's essay in which he writes:

Neither does the instrumentality of identity advocate a return to the indigenous and the particular. Were it to do so, it would necessarily require a respectful engagement with the art, spirituality, and intellectuality of the religion’s cultural provinces. And it is a shared feature of all identity politicking in world religions today that whereas religious revivals in the great ages of faith invariably generated artistic and literary florescence, the revivalists seem to produce only impoverishment. Beauty must wait; because da’wa, the Mission, is more urgent; an odd logic to premodern believers, who assumed that every summons to the Real must be beautiful, and that nothing transforms a society or an individual soul more deeply than a great work of art, a building, a poem, or the serenity of a saint.

The good news is that the tradition hasn't died out; there are still unbroken chains of traditional artists out there doing great work. See for example Hajji Noor Deen (Chinese Islamic calligrapher) or Mohamad Zakariya (American calligrapher, trained in Turkey). Fons Vitae continues to publish great books, never forgetting the importance of beauty.
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infinitum2007 says:

Jim

This artwork of yours is "one of a kind" unique. I know of no one who brings the glory of the Ireland's ancient past alive on canvas as you do. I do hope you re-explore your incredible Celtic painting.

I rediscovered you through the "Che" icon graphic with the link from the BBC news page. It was phenomenal to learn that it was your graphic---never knew it!
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khalid says:

I won't pretend to speak for Jim here, but as a Western Muslim I have to say I find your comments very disturbing.

Nowhere does Jim endorse any Taliban-style government. And it is paranoid, McCarthyesque, and downright evil of you to insinuate that he supports terrorism. Your reading comprehension must be abysmal; there's absolutely nothing in his comments that could even be twisted to support such a bizarre interpretation. If you are going to level such serious charges against him, be a man and do it under your real name.

It seems that you are somehow equating Muslim cultures in general with the Taliban and the extremists, a common if nonsensical and highly offensive mistake, like equating Jews with greediness or Irish people with alcoholism or the IRA bombers. If you take off your blinkers, you'll quickly realize that the chief victims of the Taliban and the extremists are Muslims, and that people across the Muslim world have loudly condemned them.

Why don't you browse through the Muslim Cultures group and get a feel for what Muslims are actually like? There are many rich, if faded, artistic traditions shared by the Celts and people in Muslim lands, and that is all that Jim has drawn attention to.
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infinitum2007 says:

I will have to hear from Jim who I deeply respect. I never said that Jim endorses terrorism or that Muslim Culture, in general, are extremist. Don't know where you interpreted that from. What upset me was:

The provocative use of the phrase: "modern day Crusaders invading Arab lands" is not helpful in promoting peace between the Arab or Muslim world and the West. Also mentioned that "even those that call for a return of the Caliphate back" won't pressure their leaders to bring Sacred Art back. A Shariah based Caliphate Islamic Government is a FASCIST NIGHTMARE and will take the Muslim World back about 1100 years and will most likely be a threat to the entire civilized world. It gives me the "creeps" to hear it mentioned so casually. It is very like the Taleban's extremely strict Shariah style government where petty thieves had their hands and feet chopped off and others were shot in the head or beheaded or hanged in the Sports Stadium. This is the kind of Sharia government Muslim extremists create. This is why I found what was said offensive and very disturbing .

The situation in the Muslim world is becoming increasingly insane as Sunni's kill Shite's and vice-versa spawned by Muslims themselves.

I do respect the great artwork, poetry, architecture and inventions that have come out of Muslim Culture--truly phenomenal.
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khalid says:

Bush himself has used the word "crusade", many in his fanatical right-wing evangelical base see the war as part of an end-times prophecy, and the impetus for war was enabled in part by a long-standing general dislike of Muslims dating back to the Crusades. As such, the use of the word "crusader' is at the very least appropriate in an allusive sense.

You, my friend, have to look at what our governments have done to foment crisis in the region. Toppling democratically elected leaders (as in Iran), propping up corrupt dictatorships (Saudi Arabia), exploiting the region for oil-- how can you fail to make the link between this and the current-day problems? Bin Laden's violence against innocents is evil and inexcusable, as Muslim scholars around the world have repeatedly condemned, but there is a very rational, political, non-religious motive behind them. Even Alan Greenspan is honest about it.

The good people in Muslim Culture are obligated to stop the murderers in their own culture.

This is the very same logic that Bin Laden (and the 7/7 bombers) use: violence is justified against Americans because they have not stopped their government from murdering and oppressing people in Muslim lands. Guilt by association. Read the article linked to above; the Muslim response against terrorism has been loud and forceful. Probably a lot more so than your protests against the evils committed by Western governments.

And, by the way, you should realize that the Muslim world is a whole lot larger than the Middle East, and that Jim's respectability is not affected one stitch by the rantings of an ill-informed, utterly anonymous xenophobe. (I suggest we not clutter up his photostream any further.)
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infinitum2007 says:

Khalid, my friend, it was a poor choice OF A WORD that Bush used. Look up the definition of the word "crusade" and you may be surprised to learn that the word was actually used appropriately. Bush did not say "crusaders". To misinterpret and put your own "twist" on a statement is a political offence and creates more of the very problem you object to. You, unfortunately, choose to interpret the word used by Bush :"crusade" as "crusades" and interpret that as right wing religious fanaticism. Your filling in alot of "blanks" to make it sound extreme and this DOES NOT HELP WESTERN AND ARAB RELATIONS. Muslim culture should be shutting down any Mosques whose leaders espouse Jihad or you will all wind up with this tremendous and painful burden of guilt.

I have spent alot of time in many different cultures in the world and love their uniqueness and beauty. I am not a xenophobe and I am not "ill-informed". You are one of those who are quick to insult any who even remotely mention terrorism in relation to Islam. It does not serve the cause of peaceful relations to "rant and rave and threaten" those who are constructively critical of what is going on with terrorism wrapped in Islam.

1. If you "hate" me because of my opinion, that is your poor choice.
2.If you threaten violence as a Muslim, you denigrate Islam further.
3.If you choose violence as a Muslim, you destroy Islam and should be damned.
I am in pain over this too as many of us are. It is a tragedy. Maybe the true xenophobes are those Mulims that say the Westerners are not allowed to set foot on Muslim "Holy" lands-- and who are they to set such a rule. Many good Muslim people have set foot in the West and on "Christian Holy Sites" and are doing well.

Goodwill to you
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Hi Infinitum. Hi Khalid. Right now the whole CHE GUEVARA saga is taking over my life and time. It is the 40th anniversary of his death and I have done a documentary a week so far this year. The BBC news service mentioned my role as the poster artist and now i am doing over 30 radio and TV pieces. When this slows down i will give this my proper attention. My apologies Khalid for not answering Infinitum but you are doing a brilliant job and I don't know if I could do better. But I will answer when I have more time. I did use the provative word 'Crusade' but so did Bush. I do feel strongly that the damage being done to Iraq is a catastrophe for the whole world and the future of the middle east. President Mubarak of Egypt warned the Iraq invasion would unleash a hornets nest of terrorist reprisals but did the Bush cabal listen? Did they listen to George Bush sr. 'If you break it you own it (Iraq)' ie. 'don't go there'. Colin Powell gave the same advice.
We are lucky in the West that all Muslims do not hate us for the crimes of Bush and Blair but recognise that we are with them in their grief and pain and recognise their courage in defying terrorism, state-sponsored or otherwise. Finally: I am a militant PACIFIST. I am against all violence. But I'm not blind, deaf and dumb. Thank you once more, Khalid, for your kind words. I need to catch up with you on the Sacred Art discussion!!
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infinitum2007 says:

Dear Jim,
It is good to hear from you. I appreciate you letting us know how busy you are. It is good you are getting so much media exposure so more people can also become aware of your masterful artistry. The acknowledgement is appreciated.
I too am a pacifist. A passionate one .
In my opinion, I think portraying the Iraq war as the "crusades" is a mistake. We should not perpetuate a myth.. This is not the Middle Ages so, please, let's not go there!

I too did not want or agree with the war in Iraq We do need to get out of that quagmire. It has turned into a civil war between the Sunni's and Shite's who hate each other---inflamed by a Muslim terrorist who liked chopping Westerners heads off. That major fracture in Islam developed long ago shortly after Mohammad's death. So this is nothing new except that it has escalated.

Politics and "big money" usually stink with corruption throughout the world. It's greed. People need to come together and stop blaming each other and understand each other.
The dilemma is you can't communicate with die-hard obsessive fanatics.
The jihadism and armeggeddon fanatics are ruining the world for us all. Fanatics are not rational---that's where the "hardline" is created and real trouble begins.

Your artwork is AMAZING! The incrediblly intricate artwork of the Celtic tribes of ancient Ireland, Europe and Scandinavia preceded "Islamic" patterns and artwork by centuries -perhaps even by a millennium since Islam only started around 610 A.D. .

Peace to you
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Infinitium: It is hard to deal with somone who has no identity, no profile -you could be Atilla the Hun or the Pope for all I know.
1. I do not insult people unless they are murderers or human rights abusers. 2. I simply do not have the time to answer such lengthy and many-faceted discussion. 3.I did not pass the buck to Khalid - I simply appreciate his answers on my behalf. 4. As regards Colin Powell you must know that he has totally and unequivocally repudiated the 'fixed and false' facts he presented to the UN -supplied, not by the CIA, but by rogue elements under the direction of Cheney (according to the exCIA director George Tenet). What is happening in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster based on lies and deception. I recommend you read the book 'Brothers, the Hidden History of the Kennedy years' by David Talbot. He traces the history of the US Military-Industrial complex that Eisenhower warned the American people about way back. Those same forces now rule America and dictate foreign policy. That's all for now. Ciao,
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infinitum2007 says:

Dear Jim,
I know your busy. Sorry about my lengthy chats and if I annoyed you.. I'm not very good at brevity on important issues.
It is extremely important that you reconsider and reflect on your own commentary about "Islamaphobia" and "modern day crusaders". In my opinion, it is damaging political rhetoric and to allow it to remain will continue to put off an enormous amount of your fan base and create even more of a rift between Muslims and the West.
Where is the "spirituality" in Islam if it winds up being a Religion for people who hate, threaten and kill. It is no longer a "Religion" at that point but rather a political killing machine with
non-thinking zombies blowing people up.
It would be good if you could check out a truely respectable Muslim: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser--Director of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and read what he has to say about the current crisis in Islam. The leaders in today's Islam are not doing enough to stop the malignant "Jihad"
from spreading and "clean up" the Islamic schools and Mosque's that spread it. Critical words from other Muslims are not enough. Today's Muslims MUST stop the Islamic Jihadist Murderers .

I am PRO-DEMOCRACY which is not what a Caliphate Islamic Government is. A Caliphate Government is fascist! The true "roots" of Western Civilization is ancient Greece and Rome and always will be. I respect and honour my roots as well as my Celtic roots.
P.S.Concerning my identity--I actually didn't have time to fill out info for this site or even an icon (which I now have) when I came online----not intentional.

Best Wishes for you
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Hi Everyone!
My apologies for not following up on this most important discussion but right now i'm trying frantically to finish large paintings for an exhibition next week in Ireland and next month i have a small show in Paris.
One important point: I am not anti-western just because I love Islam and Islamic art. There are mindless fanatics in the west too. Did I mention Cheney and Rumsfeld? They killed more innocents in a week in iraq than Al-Queda did on 9/11. Neither slaughter is justified by the Gospels of the gentle Jesus or by the sacred Koran. Murder is murder.
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Qamar*  Pro User  says:

good luck with the show jim!
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Thanks, qamar!
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infinitum2007 says:

Hi Jim,
Please take note that the reason why "those (Muslims) that are calling for a return of the Caliphate" are not calling for a return of Sacred Art is because they are not interested in art per se and will not support most of the arts: figurative painting, sculpture, film (TV), movies, dance or music from other cultures according to Islamic Shariah Laws which dictate all that you can't do. You are an artist whose fantastic figurative art would be banished and destroyed in a Islamic Caliphate country. These kinds of Muslims (NOT ALL MUSLIMS!) are not interested in creating art. They are interested in destroying individuality and women's rights (or anything they view as "non-Muslim") and will dole out extreme punishment on you for not following Islamic Laws. The destructive impulse is at it's extreme when you blow yourself up with as many innocent people as possible while thinking that it's the only way to heaven! -Pathetic!
Islam, unlike Christianity, is not a theological system. Islam is a legal system composed of Shariah laws as far as I have learned in my opinion. If you study the history you will find that Mohammad was banished from Mecca by the presiding Arab family governing Mecca because he was perceived as a threat. Mohammad then went to Medina and got a government job there. He wrote the jihad section of the Koran during this time probably due to being kicked out of Mecca by those who refused to follow him. He somehow organized an army in Medina and went back to Mecca and conquered it and killed anyone who disagreed with him. -----This is a very brief history and I'm sure there will be some Muslims out there squirming about the audacity of actually explaining the political/military origins of Islam. Mohammad should have stopped with his earlier Koranic writings of peace instead of continuing with the jihad warlike writings he wrote after being ousted out of Mecca. After his death, Muslim armies invaded and slaughtered thousands in Europe, decimated fifty percent of all Christian Churches (or took them over) by 950 A.D. and conquered Jerusalem from the Christians.
This eventually brought about the Christian Crusades (450 years later!) to take back those lands and Jerusalem and halt the aggressive and murderous spread of Islam into Europe.
So ---who started these conflicts? Everyone only talks about how bad the Christian Crusades were but fail to understand that the Muslim invasions were the impetus for the Crusades and I am not saying it was "right" to do but it did, in fact, happen that way. Let's not be so ignorant about history.
I do not understand Islam, Jim. No where in the Gospels will you find it written to go out and kill or fight non-believers as it does in the Koran. I do not love Islam. Love and respect has to be earned through good deeds.
The good people of Islam must show that Islam is here in the world to create peace.
I know that nothing is entirely black or white and I am not saying all Muslims are bad people, please don't misread me. I'm saying that the good Muslims must somehow find a why to stop the bad radicalized Muslims (it's in your community) and the rest of us are trying to stop it.

Jim--your artwork is superior to any Islamic Artwork I've ever seen. Celtic Artwork precedes Islamic Art by centuries! Coptic Christianity in North Africa preceded Islam by centuries also --- there were no Muslims on the planet. So what is it with this Islamo-Celtic bit? There is no historical connection between Celtic Art and Islamic Art that I know of.
I do see the beautiful fusion of the art forms you have done for the first time for our modern world. Keep up the beautiful work!

I'm outta here---Good Luck and Peace to you!!!
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khalid says:

I sadly feel you are teetering towards supporting Islamo-fascism

The actuality, infinitum2007, is that you are teetering towards McCarthyism and xenophobia. You are making serious allegations against Jim simply because you, in your ignorance, paint a wildly distorted picture of Islam in general and then libel those who do not subscribe to your simplistic black-and-white caricatures. Your bigotry is a disgrace to Western civilization.
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infinitum2007 says:

There is nothing "wildly distorted" about what I said in considering the comments made on the face of this page. I am not a bigot but you obviously are. You are "steeped" in McCarthyism in that the minute someone speaks of the Islamo-Fascism that IS occurring you brand them a bigot (communist) instead of doing something constructive to stop it or come up with some helpful dialog.
If anything is "wildly distorted" it is your response to my opinions and comments about factual history and the Islamo-fascism developing. If what I said is inaccurate why don't you educate us.
You fail to accept that there are very serious fascistic terrorist problems in Muslim Culture. .
Do something positive instead of creating a smoke screen of insulting catch words to try to invalidate someone and obscure the real issue. Why don't you tell us about the beginnings of Mohammad or Women's Rights in the Muslim World for instance?
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Hi infinitum, khalid. My problem at the moment is time -i'm just finishing work for an exhibition htis week. I will respond properly in time but i cannot let khalid be attacked as an Islamo-fascist or a bigot for defending me or Islam. Khalid seems to me to be a decent tolerant Muslim with a very open world view and I appreciate his words on my behalf. I do not KNOW khalid but we have very simular views on Islamic art and civilisation. Most important: I did refer to 'gentle Jesus' but there was NO sarcasm in my tone. I am simply an Irish Catholic Christian who loves the words and tone of the New Testament, loves the real and gentle power of the words of Jesus -and loves Islam. I read the Holy Quran and try to understand it even if it is different and difficult to understand from my cultural background. I love Islamic art, architecture and Islamic civilisation. The rest of the allegations I will answer when time allows but I am surprised at your hostility to Muslims in general. You need to get out more. I know plenty of Muslims -on saturday last I played football, as I always do. Amongst the Paddys and Jimmys and Micks there were our friends Abdul, Abdi, Said, Ali (two of them) and one Mohammad. Most are refugees from the war in Afganistan and Somalia, all are young and all are immensely likable and have been with us for two/three years now. We know them, they know us and we know this simple fact; they are just like us, same hopes and dreams, same friendly and funny attitude to life and football. There is one difference to us Irish: they don't curse the way we do all the time; they have much better manners. That's all for now. But i will come back to this discussion in about two weeks time.
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khalid says:

infinitum:
You are not limiting your poorly informed attacks to any particular subset of Muslims; you are attacking Muslims and Muslim theology in general. There are of course unsavoury elements in the Muslim world, just as there are unsavoury elements everywhere. It is wrong for you to blame Islam for everything you state, just as it would be wrong to blame Catholicism in general for, say, the unusual pattern of sexual abuse by Catholic priests in several parts of the world. If I had children, I would have no problems sending them to a Catholic school over a public one.

I could get into a long argument and refute every one of your claims. However, I'm not going to because:
1) You do not have the decency to reveal your own identity and it is not my job to educate every anonymous fool on the internet;
2) The information is already out there for those who care to know all sides of the story and I do not want to waste my time doing what has already been done;
3) You don't seem open-minded enough to look past your own insecurities anyway.

Jim:
Thank you for your refreshing level-headedness.
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

PS infinitum: I just reread the piece where you say to khalid 'stop making a bastard of yourself'. I'm sorry but I find that disgusting and insulting. I apologise to khalid for dragging him into this. Mea Culpa. your generalisations about Islam are ridulous and disturbing. You should know also that we, the Irish, have lost more soldiers DEFENDING THE MUSLIM POPULATION OF SOUTHERN LEBANON over the past twenty -five years than any other UN unit. Sheik Nasrallah of Hizbollah has had a memorial erected to them in Lebanon and has classified 35 Irish, mostly Catholic Christian UN soldiers, as 'Martyrs' (for Islam). They were NOT killed by Muslims. We are immensely proud of them in Ireland and recognise their ultimate sacrifice. Nothing is ever just black and white and simple.
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

khalid: just read your comment above. Could not have said it better myself. I deeply resent the inaction of the Catholic Church to the child abuse scandal. Christ specifically said: 'it would be better to have a millstone placed around the neck and be flung into the deepest river than harm or bring harm to a child'. There's always a few bad apples (Muslim and Christian) in every barrel.
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infinitum2007 says:

Jim,
I appreciate you taking the time to respond but it is not O.K. for Khalid to jump in to this discussion with nothing to offer but insults to me. It does annoy me that you do not seem to care at all about the unreasonable and insulting comments Khalid has been attacking me with. Khalid threw himself into this with obnoxious insults against me which you support.. You didn't drag him into this so why are you apologizing to him?
I have Arab friends none of which are Muslim but great fun people none the less. They are very happy to be free of the madness which is occurring in Iran. I have another friend from Libya who is great fun to spend time with. None of my Arab friends think your comments at the "intro" are helpful towards better relations between the Arab Muslim world and the West.
I am well aware we are all brothers and sisters "under the skin" (of politics,religion, and race). It is heartbraking and enraging when someone of any "group" kills another who is innocent of any personal wrongdoing. I admit that I do not understand the "Muslim" mindset considering the history of Islam I have learned from reputable sources. There are legitimate reasons why I felt offended by the comments made. I am not deaf, dumb and blind and there is enough Irish blood in me to not just sit here and be called an idiot for my views. I am surprised that there are no other people who felt offended by the provocative comments made at the intro to this page. Your comments are disturbing concerning "modern day crusaders invading Arab lands". The background history on the actual Crusades I mentioned is true and so is what happened in Mecca and Medina with Mohammad--so what exactly is ridiculous here. It relates directly to your original comments and Khalid's insults.
I do not hear Khalid disputing anything I have said specifically. It's all general nonsense from him. I do not experience Khalid as being "tolerant" with his verbal attacks which provoke me. If this conversation was just between you and me it would have been more understanding and mellow I think.

I did not plan on getting involved in a disturbing political argument. I came to this site because of your wonderful artwork. I feel like bailing out of this heated talk so you can create your incredible artwork unhindered by heavy emotion. It would have been better if I felt like either of you understood some of the points I have made and perhaps apologized for making provocative comments that you know will offend some of us out here in the world such as myself. That would have ended any further heated comments.

I am sorry if any of you are offended by what I have said but I was pushed up against the wall rather fast and have mentioned nothing but historical facts and opinions.

Jim --- I have read your recent comments regarding the Christians and Muslims and feel that they are fairly balanced. It is atrocious what child-abuse has occurred in the church-
I agree with you. It is also atrocious the child-abuse that is occurring in radical Mosques when children are manipulated into becoming walking killing suicidal time bombs.

I take offence at being insulted. Just tell me where you think I'm wrong instead of blanket insult bombing.

Peace To You !
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Hi infinitum. I apologise if I insult anyone, including yourself. This discussion is fascinating but too heated at times. Time out needed.
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infinitum2007 says:

Agreed Jim,

Thanks. Apology accepted. This is a "hot potato" of a topic to toss around between us. Ultimately, we must have faith that we as "genetic cousins" on this beautiful planet learn to truly respect and get along with each other and work out our differences in a constructive creative way through open mutually respectful communication notwithstanding the enigma that there are some people who are "incommunicado" or unable to comprehend and listen to what's beyond their own knowlege/perception structure --------
I know we are all guilty of that at times in our lives (including myself --Mea Culpa)--- it's the biggest challenge for our "human condition" . It's the "stuff" of philosophy.

I know Khalid coming to your defense was an act of respect to you but he went about it the wrong way with me and didn't answer my objections as it were.

This world is a beautiful place with beautiful people from EVERY culture--to see this threatened makes me passionately upset.

Will always love your fantastic artwork and sensitive, humorous and intelligent style. Have a great art show!

Be well
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it is on says:

excellent work.. perhaps my next tattoo!
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Yusuf Martin says:

Thank you Jim for this artwork. My only regret is that I didn't think to do it myself.

Long time admirer of your work - since the early days. May you keep producing profound work
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.Morning.  Pro User  says:

wonderful piece... thanks brother
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Khalid: This may interest you. Here in Ireland we had some stupid people trying to get the hajib banned from our schools so it seems we have found what we call 'an Irish solution to an Irish problem' -the hajib is cool as long as it matches the colours of the school uniform. I love it. Great and simple solution. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Artemisia Saha says:

This is fantastic, wonderful,mashaAllah!
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Thank you, inshallah, Artemisa.
Kahilid: I notice from the very FIRST comments from 'Infinitum' that they have since been edited so your reply to their condemnation of Islam seems to make little sense now. For those who read it now let me explain that Kahlid was defending me from an accusation of being pro-Taliban, pro-violence etc., because I love Islam.
Please read the following comments in that light. Inshallah. Jim
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Artists Circle says:

Can this image be bought from you? On canvas/as a poster?
Thanks
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Not yet, maybe next year. Jim
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jimfitzpix  Pro User  says:

Here's an interesting Islamic site, full of beautiful art and thought-provoking discussion;
seekerofthesacred.blogspot.com/2007/12/muslim -celtic-art....
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