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Try touch typing on this

the Z should go here, between the A and the S
This is where the X should sit, not the Z - between the S and D
On most other UK keyboards this shift key is smaller so that the |\ key and itself fit into the same space this single key is taking up, meaning the Z can go where the |\ is... where it should be. Alternatively, the shift is this big and the |\ key is someone completely different
See the number '0' on this key? Look at ANY numberpad and you'll see the 0 is below the 1 and 2 not the 2 and 3
Brand new model. They must have got monkeys to do the QA. If anyone with even remote touch typing skills or basic memory of where to put fingers to find keys used this, they'd figure it out in about... oh... 2 seconds
Yes, this whole row is one key too far to the right. Unbelievable
D for Dell... I mean Dumb
Try touch typing on this by jakegordon.
Looks normal, right? Look at your own keyboard... notice anything different? Okay, maybe you don't. But try actually typing on this and it all becomes far too apparent. The whole of the bottom row of letters (Z, X, C...) is one too far to the right. The Z should be below and between A and S, not S and D.

You're looking at a brand new Dell Vostro 1310, ordered the day after its released, and delivered on 30th April 2008 in the UK.

They keys are all there. Shift, \|, Z, X... its just that the left shift is too big, forcing everything over too far. The Z has to be between the A and S... look on ANY other keyboard and that's where it sits. This is not a US/UK layout issue, just a general monumental flaw.

UPDATE 1st May 2008 5pm: I phoned Dell for 20 minutes and they have confirmed that this affects all new Vostro 1310s in the UK. Oh dear!! They're hoping they can just replace the keyboards, though the guy on the phone said it was a 'motherboard' problem... I can't imagine that though.

UPDATE: 2nd May 2008 1:30pm - Kerry from Dell has informed me that Dell are working on a resolution for the issue. The official statement is as follows:
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A limited number of Vostro 1310 and
1510 in Europe have been sent out with the wrong keyboard
layout. We are working diligently to offer a solution to
impacted customers and correct the error. Once a solution
is in place, we will be contacting impacted customers
directly to both apologise and instruct them on next steps.
We are still investigating this issue and will come back
with more detailed information as soon as possible. We have
made a mistake here and will be acting as quickly as
possible to find a satisfactory solution for our customers.
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UPDATE 8th May: direct2dell.com/smallbusiness/archive/2008/05/08/europe-v...

UPDATE 9th May:
Okay, so they're sending out new keyboards. But it seems to me like a quick fix which is imperfect rather than applying the correct fix. Here's what I just posted to their blog:
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[Y]ou've gone and kept the large left shift key and moved the \| key
to the right of the row, rather than making the left shift key
smaller... why?

You mention it appearing on more systems here... I will have to take
your word for that, but all 6 keyboards I can see in front of me right
now have a small left shift key and the \| key to the left of the z.
Why reinvent the wheel? If there's a good ergonomic reason for this
choice then that's great, but I can just sense that I'm going to fit
this new keyboard into my laptop and be (a lot less, but still a
little) frustrated with it.

Here's the logic for why the |\ should be on the left not the right:
* Look at where a touch typists fingers little fingers sit
* Note the distance the little fingers have to travel to reach a shift key
* when we have a small left shift, the 'A' is only half a regular
sized key away from the shift key. A nice small distance to travel
* again with the small left left key, the big left shift key is
only half a regular sized key from the colon/semi-colon on which the
right little finger sits.
* however, if you apply the layout you suggest, the left shift key
is under half the right shift key
* ... but the left shift key is now one and a half keys away from
the semi-colon. The right little finger has a long distance to travel,
making reaching for it take longer and be more of a pain.

So there's a very convincing argument to go for the standard UK layout
with small left shift and \| on the left. What's the convincing
counter argument that lead you to your chosen design?

I'm presuming that what you've applied here is the cost-effective
quick-fix and that there is no other argument for your choice. I can
completely understand this choice given the circumstances, but I don't
think its going to work for me I'm afraid.
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['Ottovelo' commented I should just buy a Mac. I have removed his stupid Apple fanboy remark. Seriously... why not say but an Acer, Asus, Lenovo,, Samsung... and whilst we're on that, where's the delete key on a Mac? And why are " and @ in the wrong places on UK mac keyboards? Not as bad a design flaw as this, but utterly frustrating none the less.]

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DEAR murilo A, dgua, korobeiniki, jorgepinto, cliph, mentor972, ramobjesus, raphy, zolinovat and every other MAC FANBOY out there,

Thank you sooooo much for your kind advice in telling me to 'get a mac'. Its so awfully sweet of you to be so kind and helpful.

Yes, I have considered buying a mac before. My wife has a mac which I bought her, my dad also has a mac which I bought him.

I hate my wife's mac. It has a backspace button but no delete button. It has one mouse button and forces me to press a key with the button rather than having a right mouse button. The @ and " are in the wrong places for UK users. You can't make windows fullscreen. Its slow. It crashes when playing DVDs. We have to cover it up at night as its glow 'throbs' and doesn't let me get any sleep.

Also, this laptop cost me £650. A similarly spec'd mac would have cost £949 (and that's still not as good spec as this).

Lots of love,

Jake

PS: I've deleted a lot of your helpful 'buy a mac' comments from this page. If you want to advertise, go do it in your own space, not mine

PPS: If you fancy trying to convert me you can of course send me a Mac for free. Just don't be surprised if a video of me smashing it to bits appears on the Internet soon after.
]

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So tonorrow this laptop gets xobbexted up to ny three sxreeb setup abd ezterbal keyvoard abd nouse, Bo nore worries avout the keyvoard thebm abd I sinply await a replaxenebt or whatecer I guess,

Abywaym its veeb quite a fub day to hae ny 15 nibutes of fane, ny abger towards Dell has suvsidedm replaxed with ibxredulity that sone pepole really are stupid,,, too xlasses of people here:
- QA at Dell,,, why would you ecer release a keyvoard without typibg ob it first>
- Apple fabvoys,,, seriouslym ebgage your vraib vefore you speak

If abyobe's axtually read this whole thibg a nassice xobgratulatiobs to you!

Jake, 
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Irregular Shed  Pro User  says:

Epic fail.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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BeamerM3 says:

What? Ottovelo, that makes no sense. That's like me saying I don't like the handling on the SL500, another reason to buy a Prius.

This has nothing to do with OS. It's a keyboard problem. On one model. Why would it be a reason to buy Apple? Wouldn't it be a reason to, oh I don't know, just buy another computer? Any computer? As much a reason to buy a different model Dell, or a Lenovo, or an EeePC, as to buy an Apple?

You seem to be a sheep. Bah. Baaaaah.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Courtarro  Pro User  says:

What an awkward failure on Dell's part. They must not have anyone on staff who tests international layouts, or they would have found this immediately. Someone simply had a brain fart while designing the layout, and their testing process completely failed.

Time to add this as an honorable mention to PC World's list of the worst keyboards of all time.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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crazytales562 says:

Courtarro: Honorable mention? No, this ranks way up there since it's completely non-touchtypeable. As a frequent computer user, I depend on the keys being where they have been for the last decade whenever I type. Shifting the bottom row one key over is simply inexcusable.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Cameron_Talley  Pro User  says:

This is ridiculous. I would be unable to type on this keyboard. I have a general distaste for UK keyboards, anyway, but this would be unusable. Hope you get this worked out with Dell. They should get you your money back.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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tracerbulletnpi says:

While I won't say that it isn't a screwup on dells part, I think they just installed the wrong keyboard. They probably ordered x amount of keyboards from some korean or whatever company, and they sent x amount of the wrong keyboard to dell.. Then the laptop gets put together with this awkward keyboard, and before anyone notices that it's not a standard keyboard, a few get shipped out. It's a screwup. But to say it's a design flaw is inaccurate. It was 'designed' with a normal keyboard. There is often something lost in translation when buying low cost components from overseas.. Lay off the sensationalism... As far as apple is concerned, no one but apple would ever use their keyboards so it'd be impossible to screw that up... And because of that, as well, Apple is more expensive.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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tracerbulletnpi says:

Also, someone on digg mentioned that this is how it should look...
www.notebookreview.com/assets/32661.jpg
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jakegordon says:

tracerbulletnpi: no, you're missing the point here. EVERY SINGLE QWERTY keyboard has Z between AS not SD, and so on for the bottom row. The |\ key to the left of Z is common on UK keyboards, but when it is there, the left shift key is made smaller so it fits in to the left of the A, not the right of it.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jakegordon says:

tracerbulletnpi: no again. That's a US keyboard layout. UK has " above the 2, not an @, and as above, |\ is often there to the left of the Z, just with a smaller left shift key.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jhandl says:

Are you sure the problem is not just that they placed the "|" key on the wrong side and hence the whole row got displaced? What happens when you press the "|" key? Hopefully a "Z" would appear.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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freeforged  Pro User  says:

You should submit this to the failblog: failblog.wordpress.com/
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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davidcraig5 says:

You should be able to remap the keys to whatever you want using either windows or another program. They letters on the keys wont match, but if you are a touch typist, who cares?

How to remap manually -
pcworld.about.com/magazine/1912p190id65157.ht m
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 Synaesthesia  Pro User  says:

:P: FR::

(That's LOL DELL one key to the right.)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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nikosh99 says:

wake up sheeple
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Lepidus Wept says:

This is a silly error but NOT a big deal if you're otherwise pleased with the computer. Your brain, in this case, is smarter than you are. Your touch-typing will rapidly adjust if you soldier on, in exactly the same way a guitarist can play in multiple tunings. Really, this seems like more of a point of interest than a colossal screwup.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Ryan Calum says:

i guess giving good advice makes one a fanboy
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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holyjuan  Pro User  says:

Epix fail,
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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davidmess16 says:

You should buy a macbook. They work great and their keyboard is normal. Plus, you can go to this place called a store and they'll let you try it out there. Amazing huh? Too bad there's no "Dell Store", just resellers trying to take your money.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

zolinovak [deleted] says:

You should just get a Mac. :)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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JDM5 says:

"where's the delete key on a Mac?"

farm3.static.flickr.com/2343/2050640413_e3db5 129a3.jpg
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jónr  Pro User  says:

Well, at least you have the |\ button. Last keyboard I bought didn't have it, making it useless for programming... But still, this is the ultimate computer hardware FAIL/You're doing it wrong

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Seen on your photo stream. (?)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Rizzl3r says:

Speak a PC fault on flickr and become flooded in Mac invites. They feed on this stuff.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Ysbrand Galama says:

Yes, I agree, get a Mac. I have a Mac and I have no problem, keys are in the right place. So hurry, and get a Mac :)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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tenthousandpc says:

motherboard problem?

looks like a keyboard problem to me...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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sameedShaikh says:

wow...they shouldn't have made the enter key so big and they could have put the \ there
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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eddie_trent_pr says:

That is not a regular keyboard.... it's a mix between a spanish keyboard and an english one. BIG mistake
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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johnmarchan  Pro User  says:

"motherboard problem" lol!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jamesbar2 says:

Hate to rain on your parade but that's just a standard UK/Ireland keyboard layout. Keyboards in other parts of the world are different (notice the € and £ keys).

Don't believe me, check this out
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#UK_and_ Ireland
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BrokenBat  Pro User  says:

To your comment over the model type, please don't berate the QAs. They report problems, not fix them. Project Managers have the responsibility to fix it or not.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jeff.emminger  Pro User  says:

mac, mac mac mac. mac - /mac/ mac mac! ;)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Torley  Pro User  says:

While I have a MacBook Pro and like it very much, I also run Windows and emphasize with this frustrating situation! I wonder how this could've possibly happened; it's quizzical and I do hope it gets resolved soon.

All the best with it, jakegordon!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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raybdbomb  Pro User  says:

Wow that is completely ridiculous...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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owen.iverson  Pro User  says:

i'm assuming the mac comments above are only there because jake removed ottovelos comment. i hope you guys aren't this dumb...if you're serious, throw your macs out - you shouldn't be using computers
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Ysbrand Galama says:

No really it has nothing to do with Jake removing the Mac-comment, it is just that we think you should get a Mac. Really.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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navitronic  Pro User  says:

mac delete key on a laptop = fn + backspace.

space saving on a laptop keyboard by combining the functions of two similar keys into one and using a standard modifier key seems like a good idea to me. I can see why some would disagree, but I would much prefer a big delete key that requires a simple modifier key to work than a small tacked on one that you find on most windows laptops.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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kiko_91 says:

lets all blame china
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Mulling it Over  Pro User  says:

Epic fail for Dell, but wevs. Just remap the keys in software and swap the physical keys out to their appropriate locations. No sweat for the 1337.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Marshalus  Pro User  says:

Ooops
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andoru  Pro User  says:

At first, I thought it was simply a matter of getting a European keyboard by mistake. But after checking, there's no valid layout in which the "Z" key is positioned below the "S" and "D" keys this way. So, epic fail for Dell.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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grimmythegrim says:

Well ok, here's an Asus comment... I don't understand how the shift key is too big as mine looks exactly the same as your's (extending to halfway under the A key) the only difference is the UK keyboard has the \ key where Z is on an American keyboard (and I think it works out much better this way...) *insert comment about America being better than the UK*
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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JeffrySG says:

stunned..... :-O
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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kubcollector says:

This deserves an entry in the fail blog
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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dm33 says:

Get a Mac. Far superior OS, machine and keyboard.
Delete is function-backspace. I found that I don't miss having a special purpose delete key much. I got used to it pretty quick.

Sad that Dell is having such trouble.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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r_reuland says:

straight mac homie
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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jconaty says:

wow, that sucks. you should get a mac!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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mentor972  Pro User  says:

Wow! Total FAIL!

...and yes, you SHOULD get a Mac.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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tony perrie  Pro User  says:

hack the windows registry and swap the keycaps.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Automatt  Pro User  says:

This is a typical DELL issue. It comes from nobody giving a shit about design during their testing process. This is why I've seen USB ports too close together to be used at the same time, built-in speakers that sound terrible, and fans that get ridiculously whiny and loud... all on DELL laptops, and all design issues that my Mac laptops don't have.
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k1mb3r1y says:

You don't have to get a mac, just stop buying Dells for christ's sake.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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the3seashells says:

Check your flickr mail, I sent you some information that should solve this problem.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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setatakahashi says:

QWERTY redefined! Looks like an American keyboard (Big Shift key) with the UK layout. I used a Brazilian Portuguese ABNT2 keyboard, which looks exactly like the UK layout, but I don't remember how big the shift key was.

Get a Thinkpad X300 :D
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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neger12321 2 says:

what a bunch of nancy's. the only huge mistake is the key to the left of the z, therefore offsetting the entire row. the rest is crybaby nitpicking. highlighting the letter d because "dell is dumb".. lol. and i hate dell. stop digging this crap.
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Quasic  Pro User  says:

Get a Prius.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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highsmith  Pro User  says:

hahah i go to belgium once a month, you should try using THEIR keyboards. forgetaboutit
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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Une Yusami says:

I don't mean to sound like an apple fanboy but...I'm on my Mac Book Pro now and I'm looking at the delete key =/

While I do agree, you should get a mac :D Dells are very nice and for paying as much money as you did you have the right to be mad and, I hope you are, demand it be fixed!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

inkstainedmind [deleted] says:

To quote a well known commercial:

"Dude, you're gettin' a dell!"

You get what you pay for. Don't buy shit, and you won't get shit.
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Anim8ir  Pro User  says:

wtf? in the picture on their website it looks normal!?!?!?
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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y2n_3000 says:

He just purchased a new computer. That is usually a pretty big deal that requires a lot of research. That being said, I am sure a Mac was considered before the Dell purchase and the Dell won out for some reason or another that he need not explain to anyone.

It is exactly the same as when you "buy a mac" guys bought your Macs. Except you like to scream your reasons from the nearest peak. Nobody cares. The information is out there for people to think for themselves.

Look at it this way, buying a Mac was an option. He decided against it. So call him an idiot in the confines of your home where the same number of people care what you are saying... none.
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continuum says:

Woah... wtf? I've seen this many times on other systems, but on a BRAND-NEW Vostro 1310? WTF?
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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nickb says:

Return Dell and get yourself a nice new MBP.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )

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domokun2525 says:

Anything with a normal keyboard is better than this.

So, uh, did Dell happen to mention the "motherboard" that caused this error?

(And, yeah, I like Macs, but use what works best for you...)
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mitc0185  Pro User  says:

I, for one, pine for the days when men were men and wrote their own device drivers.

This is a trivial issue.
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Асhіllе says:

You think that's a problem --- this is what I have to type on: flickr.com/photos/achillex/2457960187/
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thatoenguy says:

Every now and then I think about getting a Mac and that Mac fanboys get unfairly stereotyped as being pompous pricks. Then I remember that I have the internet and I see stuff like this all the time. Makes me want to fry any Mac I come in contact with. Seriously.

Also, if any of you has a Macbook Air, could I get your address? I have a steaming pile of feces I would like to sell you. Also, to the guy with the name appleimac (hah, just make that did you?), I'll let you test-run my feces in your face for free, however long you want. You don't even have to go to a feces store for it.
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animefx  Pro User  says:

This is one of many reasons I decided to get a Mac and get rid of my PC. To some it looks like "fanboyism" but a lot of Apple fans are just frustrated because there is something obviously better about (Apple hardware / OS X) and many Windows users will never know for themselves because they are unwilling to try it.

Honestly, this messed up key reminds me of Windows itself... CARELESS. Thought goes into every peace of the OS X interface and it is truly intuitive. Buy a Macbook, install Bootcamp and run Windows XP or Vista on a partition, if you don't like OS X after using it for 4 months (have to give it some time get to know the operating system) then simply run Windows on your nice and ergonomic Mac hardware.
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xuimod  Pro User  says:

Wow, this is something you'd expect to see in China not the US of A.

But not all Dells are like this (obviously). My Dell XPS 1530's keyboard is fine. Touchtyping works like its supposed to.

EDIT: oh, i just noticed the OP is in the UK. my bad.
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alexhulu says:

This happened with a mac I bought a while back, I got a brand new macbook pro with the backlit led that is really sweet, and I am installing windows xp on it so I can dual boot it in case I ever want to do some windows things, and then I discovered that my keys were in the wrong place, oh wait no that didn't happen because macs are awesome and dells suck.
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frankzappaisthebest says:

Err.. sorry dude but this is exactly like my keyboard and I suspect thousands of other readers who've found this thanks to reddit.

There's nothing unusual about this design at all.
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Weston Alan  Pro User  says:

hope they recall all of them, wow, lame.
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Isaac Wasileski says:

tALSIT - What are you in, the 90's? Macs have been comparably priced to PCs for the hardware for some time - in many cases cheaper than, say, a comparable Dell. The difference is that you can much crappier PCs than Macs, if you want to save some money. That's not to say PCs ore crappy - if you think that's what I said, go back and take some reading comprehension courses or something.

animefx - A friend of mine bought a MacBook Pro because it was the best Windows machine he could afford. He's played around with OS X, but he runs a lot of software that requires Windows (law school stuff and games, mainly) so never switched.

And really, it doesn't matter if you run Windows, Mac OS X, BSD, Linux, QNX, BeOS - you can be happy and productive (at least, I have). Just approach alternatives with an open mind, and don't get caught up in ideology; you only end up cheating yourself out of options.
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FarFromSubtle says:

In before 100th Get a mac.

Yeah, you should get a mac.
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FabianOrtiz » says:

omg... absurd!
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gingerrich says:

There's nothing wrong with this, it is exactly the same layout as the IBM T42 laptop I am using right now.
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mhoskins555 says:

I call shenanigans. It's simple to pop the keys off, shift them over, and take a picture.
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Ysbrand Galama says:

Yes, try typing on a Belgian keyboard, and you'll immediately start loving this piece of delljunk. Or a French keyboard, same result.

I read that this is an Irish layout. So why not move to Ireland then? Problem solved! Or get a Mac!
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Jeff Kee says:

I like macs for what macs are, and I like PCs for what PCs are. I miss a lot of features of Windows XP and my other Toshiba laptops, and there's hardware shortcomings on Macs as well.

My Toshiba used to have a 7-in-1 or 9-in-1 card reader so I did not need an adapter of any sort for the memory chips that came with my Sony camera. Now, i can only use the USB.

Macs, however, do make my production work faster for development, and has less glitches in the external display part of it, so it was a worthy switch for me... it's been 6 months now.

But yeah, I totally agree with the removal of that stupid comment by the iFag.
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DaveFayram  Pro User  says:

Probably time to buy a mac.

Or stop living in the UK. That might work too.
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dustball says:

You should buy Linux.
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N.R. says:

just by questioning "why" you should by a mac, explains why you didn't understand the deleted comment.

definitely buy a mac. you'll understand then :)
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N.R. says:

grow up, says "tALSit de CoD" with the grownup nickname :D lol
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Pensador says:

Reformat.
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nickb says:

@tALSit de CoD: Since when is recommending a product called fanboyism?!!?!??!?!
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Jay Torres says:

I vsmt neliebe they did that.
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funkyfreshwithjam says:

People are telling you to get a Mac because Apple actually thinks out their designs before they ship them, they would never ship an entire new model with a mixed-up keyboard. After Dell burns you like this, why are you sticking with them? Stockholm syndrome maybe?

And if that guy had told you to buy an HP instead of buy a Mac, would you have deleted his comment? What's the polar opposite of a Mac fanboy? A Mac phobe? Because you are certainly it.
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funkyfreshwithjam says:

nickb: Apparently it's automatically fanboyism if the recommendation is to buy an Apple computer.

But in Jake's defense, I guess it's true that Acer, Lenovo and friends don't have anything resembling "fans". Why do you think that is, jake?
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Darren Stone says:

Totally, get a Mac. Apple figured out their keyboard layout 20 years ago and smartly haven't deviated much from it since.
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funkyfreshwithjam says:

Jake: The "delete" key on a mac is in the upper right corner. I know it's hard to find if you can't read, but if you look for the key with the letters d-e-l-e-t-e painted on it, you should be able to find it in a couple minutes. If not, ask someone nearby for assistance.
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laughitupyo says:

Honestly guys? Dell fucked up so you should buy a Mac?

PC vs. Mac does not even factor in here. This would be like me having a bad experience eating at a certain resteraunt chain, then refusing to ever eat out again.

"To some it looks like "fanboyism" but a lot of Apple fans are just frustrated because there is something obviously better about (Apple hardware / OS X) and many Windows users will never know for themselves because they are unwilling to try it."

Let's just replace a few words here....:

"To some it looks like "fanboyism" but a lot of PC fans are just frustrated because there is something obviously better about (PC hardware / Windows) and many Apple users will never know for themselves because they are unwilling to try it."

its called a matter of fucking opinion, jesus h. christ. PC and Apple fans are like missionaries going door to door trying to convert people to their religion. Who gives a flying fuck what computer someone uses, its called personal preference.
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domster83  Pro User  says:

Dell WTF?!
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SterlingNorth says:

I'm betting you're getting a lot of "Get a Mac" comments because this pic has been linked to by John Gruber, who runs a big popular Mac blog. Dear everyone with a "Get a Mac" post, do you not understand why people react badly to your proselytizing? You come across like those people who go door to door, trying to get you to change religions.
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audi22  Pro User  says:

All we're saying with "get a Mac" is that we Mac users are pretty confident that someone somewhere in the process at Apple actually typed on the friggin' keyboard before it shipped. And yes, sometimes we'll pay a little more for that extra service.
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Erik K Veland  Pro User  says:

Can we at least slam Dell for being such idiots? At least Apple would never do something as ridiculous. Hehe.
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funkyfreshwithjam says:

A Mac is a sound and justifiable recommendation for someone who has gotten burned by Dell's shitty quality control. A mac is a good choice for anyone, since it can run Windows and all Windows software natively, in addition to OS X and all Mac software. Buying an Acer or a Lenovo or something like that is like buying half a computer.
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macadoodle pro says:

I registered a user account just so I could tell you how lame you are for buying Dell. Get a Macbook Pro. By the way, the delete key is top right, just above the |\ key where it's supposed to be.
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lypanov  Pro User  says:

i'm feeling kinda ashamed to be a mac owner right now after reading this thread...

fwiw, i went through 6 ibook keyboards in total, all the letters disappeared after around 3 months of me typing :))

very happy with the m$ natural keyboard i have plugged into my macbook pro... we aren't all insane! i promise!
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asymptote5 says:

epic fail. should have bought a mac.
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viruz5 says:

What is the deal with UK keyboards having mucked up keys in the first place? Why is there a \ key next to shift key? No one uses \ except for DOS diehards. Also why have the @ and # been moved? The pound should go where $ is. And why do you need such a big return key? And you must be blind if you can't find the delete key on a mac keyboard. OMG its not called Backspace tho. There's a clue.

UK PC keyboards are dumb and lame. Get a US or Australian laptop or keyboard.
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gbukovics says:

Dear Mac fanboys,


First of all, you're irritating whoever you're mindlessly pitching your system of choice to any chance you get. Please show some respect for other people's choices. "Windows user" does not equate to "complete idiot". Believe it or not, there are a lot of people for whom Windows is much more suitable than Mac OS X for some reason, like availability of software or simply taste. Not to mention people who couldn't afford a Mac even if that's what they'd prefer.

Consider also that this is not the 'beleaguered' era of the 1990s; just about everyone is aware of the Mac now, thanks to the iPod/iPhone/iTunes, the Intel switch, increasing market share and the emergence of alternative operating systems and other alternative software (like Firefox) in general. There's simply no need to pitch the Mac anymore.

In addition, you're doing a great disservice to Mac users, Apple, and the platform in general by alienating everyone with your attitude and making it seem like all Mac users are pushy assholes.


Thanks for reading,

a satisfied PowerBook user

(Sorry if someone else has made these arguments before, I can't be assed to read through the hundreds of annoying comments for the few hidden gems.)
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Christiaan Briggs says:

Lame. Get a Mac. Haha.
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sin9e says:

Have you considered buying a mac?
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