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views vs. time

All these photos have the exact same upload time as the next photo in the corresponding photostream.
Photos with zero views.
"Once a day".
views vs. time by GustavoG.
Very frequently, people ask how to "get more views", and one of the many answers given is to post regularly and parsimoniously. Does it work? Here's another analysis based on the same sample of 100 photos from 1000 people from yesterday, trying to address this question.

Each point in the graph represents one photo. The y axis is how many views that photo has (in log scale), and the x axis represents the time (in hours, also log scale) that elapsed between posting that photo, and posting the following photo in the same photostream. In other words, how long the photographer waited before posting a new photo, or also for how long the photo in question was "the most recent photo".

One can see again the split into "photos uploaded as a batch" (left side cloud) and "photos uploaded periodically" (right side cloud), corresponding to the two peaks in the red graph.

Clearly, posting parsimoniously does lead to more views per photo than posting in a batch. (But see the discussion in comments.) The distributions overlap, but it is quite evident that the right side cloud is higher than the left side cloud.

Using an arbitrary (but reasonable) cutoff of 1 hour, there are 20258 photos in the left cloud, averaging 59 views, while the right cloud has 11742 photos, averaging 199 views. (Ok, that's linear average, which is not quite the proper thing to do here. Using log averages one gets 12.5 vs. 69 average views, respectively, but these log averages are more strongly influenced by the view pseudocount I used. Bottom line is, now matter how you do the statistic, there is a clear difference between the two posting methods.)

Some technical details. Since many photos have zero views but I'm using log scales, I used a view pseudocount of 0.1. Quite clearly, many more batch-uploaded photos end up having zero views (you might need to visit the large size to see this). I also used a 0.1 second pseudocount for the time to the next photo, since many photos appear to be uploaded at the exact same second as the next one... Makes me wonder which uploading/editing tool does that.
Another technical detail is that since I used Excel to make the graph, I included here only 32000 points, which is roughly one third of the information in the sample. The way I sliced it means this graph shows information about one third of the people in the sample, not one third of the photos of all people. 
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Brenda Anderson  Pro User  says:

It matches my personal experience pretty well.

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Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Auntie P  Pro User  says:

Yes I find if I upload 10 photos, some of them never see the light of day. I'm not chasing views as far as popularity is concerned, but it's a shame sometimes that some photos sit there unnoticed.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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striatic  Pro User  says:

so if you don't post at least once a day, views rapidly drop off?
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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GustavoG  Pro User  says:

Hmm, I don't think you can conclude that from this graph. It might be interesting to do a deeper sample in that direction though.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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striatic  Pro User  says:

there just seems to be a drop off to the left of "once a day", but maybe i'm confusing a lack of density with a drop off.

it would be interesting to know if posting once a day leads to more views on average per photo than posting less frequently.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Neil  Pro User  says:

This is really interesting. I've often wondered about whether a slower release would work better than dumping in batches.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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bikeracer says:

i can attest to losing a ton of views by not posting for 18 months.

hello, btw.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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GustavoG  Pro User  says:

Hi. :)

You know, I concluded from this graph that "posting parsimoniously does lead to more views per photo than posting in a batch." While there is a clear correlation, it needn't imply causation.

Presumably people who post big batches end up spending less effort sharing those photos in groups and other venues than those posting single photos. Stratifying the photos by number of groups/contexts might give rather different results...
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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thepretenda  Pro User  says:

I think that each hand crafted photo gets more views than batch uploads!
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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clickykbd  Pro User  says:

Very interesting... and does mirror my experiences too. But, one would also have to account for cumulative views on the whole batch I would think... and compare them to individual uploads. If a person does a "batch a day"... perhaps their batch views tend to be comparable to the single photo approach... but spread across several objects. As I imagine batch uploaders often out-pace daily types in number of total photos rather naturally.
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Neil  Pro User  says:

Gustavo: yeah, there are confounding variables there, one would have to control for how well tagged and grouped the batched photos are.

I guess the effect we're trying to measure here is views from "photos from your contacts" or (very rarely) searches ordered by recentness.

Perhaps the simplest thing would be to look for untagged / ungrouped / non-dictionary-word named photos in either posting schedule.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Mark Griffith  Pro User  says:

It would also be interesting to correlate to # of contacts as well as number of comments the flickr thread owner makes. I know that in the past I've felt like I was trolling for comments by making comments and now its mostly because I am genuinely intrigued or enjoy what I am seeing. Additionally I've noticed that a great photo gets more comments and faves. :) I don't mean to belittle that but there are those times, when you take a fantastic photo and people react. For me its usually about being in the right place at the right time. Like this one or this one
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jeanloui  Pro User  says:

It's suposed that is easy to "get more views" than "to get BETTER views".
The mistake (in my oppinion) is that if you have "more views" you can capture "better viewers", and then increase the QUALITY...

but maybe this is another algorythm
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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GustavoG  Pro User  says:

How do you define "better" views?
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Artsee Fartsy (Busy - on/off)  Pro User  says:

Ya I wanna know what that means, too.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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jeanloui  Pro User  says:

Maybe "more Commented" pictures could mean "better views" (as a quality interest, not mere quantitative)

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kediwah  Pro User  says:

I think what this means is that if you post more than one a day, you'll have less aggregate views overall.

This has been my personal experience - but I haven't really gotten too worried about it. I file it under the "people can only offer so much insight in one sitting" category.

In short, if you're sitting on a 100 photos of something, you're best not to post them at once (obviously), or even 5 a day. 1 a day yields more views (_stream aggregate_).

Gustavo: would this graph reflect trends in posting less frequently (every couple of days), but still only a single photo per upload (non-batches, semi-frequent)?
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GustavoG  Pro User  says:

The vertical streaks in the right-side cloud reflect one, two, three, etc. days between consecutive photos. This doesn't imply that just one photo was posted, though. I could filter for that.
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kediwah  Pro User  says:

It might also be good to filter members through some kind of 95% gate so that people with typically high views (not the norm) aren't diluting the numbers. On the flip-side you could also filter against people who do receive typically high amounts of views (although I bet you won't have a lot of data points for more than 1 photo a day from them).
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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brewbooks  Pro User  says:

An inteeresting set of data, I have often wondered why some Photos get more views. I never figure out which ones I have will be most popular (but I really don't care all that much) If I run across a few interesting people, I am very happy.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

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Chaos Unit 178  Pro User  says:

Hmmm, so, if I'm looking at this right, if you upload at once a day, you get more hits than uploading is batches or sporadically?

Is there some sort of automatic uploader that you can load a bunch of photos into and it'll upload them according to a set schedule?
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

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Jeremy Brooks  Pro User  says:

This is very interesting. I have been kicking around an idea for just that -- a batch uploader that works according to a flexible schedule. Maybe this will get me around to actually coding it. If anybody has some ideas about how such a thing should work, feel free to contact me at jeremyb at whirljack dot net.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

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sc-jurgen  Pro User  says:

very cool analysis, could be nice to use color coding for the hotspots
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AGrinberg  Pro User  says:

This is very interesting. There are so much data available it could make a very interesting project for some graduate student. As seen from the comments, I think this raises more questions than it answers!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

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Tranquitos says:

Also, seems that posting statistics help to raise view count :)
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

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GustavoG  Pro User  says:

Also, seems that posting statistics help to raise view count :)

Do you have any statistics to support that statement?
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

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bhisham  Pro User  says:

statistics are like bikinis they reveal the interesting and always hide the vital ;)
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

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striatic  Pro User  says:

bhisham - that's kinda glib.
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iIntrigue - Soon to be Von Wong  Pro User  says:

Fantastically interseting :O

Do you have the same thing on a time basis?

i.e what time of the day is it best to upload?
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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