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Ive had quite an interesting evening.

So, I took the shot and went about my shopping. Around the soup aisle, this middle age woman, an employee of the grocery store I was shopping at, came up to me and asked me not to take any more pictures and to delete the ones I had taken.

I told her I was fine with not taking any more pictures, but the ones I had taken were my intellectual property and I would not be deleting them.

She got huffy and told me that the grocery store had a "no photography, except for written permission" policy and that if I wouldnt delete the photos, then she would call the police.

I told her to call the police and that the police would just tell her the same thing I told her: that the photos I took were my intellectual property and were covered under the First Amendment (freedom of speech), and that they, the police, would be mad at her for wasting their time on this trivial crap.

She said what I was doing was illegal.

I informed her that violating the policy of a grocery store and breaking the law were completely different things.

She told me again to delete the pictures, and grabbed for my camera bag.

I took a step back from her, to get my bag out of her reach, and said no.

She stormed away; I didnt see her again.

Throughout the entire encounter I didnt raise my voice or act disrespectfully; she was not so kind.

On my way out I took a picture of the shopping carts, with my cell phone, because I wanted to.

(project 365-057) 

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my whimsy  Pro User  says:

Wow, what a strange encounter! I've never heard of such a thing. Your shots are great and I'm glad you kept them. (You are much braver than I, however; I'm not sure I'd have made it through that encounter with her.)
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doubleewe  Pro User  says:

Just so you know, you were on private property and she was within her rights to refuse you permission to take photographs. Photographers have the right to take photos of private property if they are on public property, although after 9-11 there has been a lot of huff about that. If you are on the municipal sidewalk or in the street, you are within your rights. If you are inside the store, you really need permission. I ran into this problem with some of the places on my Irish Pubs project (the corporate-run places have issues). Most photographers go by the principle, "Ask for forgiveness, rather than permission," but if denied permission you should stop. Many businesses don't see the value of free publicity because they are afraid of being portrayed poorly. If you want to shoot fruits/veggies, the vendors at the farmer's market are far more welcoming and their produce is actually fresh.

W
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Greg Timm  Pro User  says:

Thanks W.

Did she have the right to try and delete my photographs?
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doubleewe  Pro User  says:

She cannot destroy your property. Whether you can use what you have taken is another question. Here is a recent article from photoattorney.com which you will find of interest. If you scan down a bit, take a look at the Food Lion case. Pretty scary. Although only nominal damages were permitted on the trespass claim, the fraud claim brought huge punitive damages.

www.photoattorney.com/2009/01/update-on-lawsu it-against-b...

W
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MerlyCuza says:

Shopping carts shot was a nice touch.
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ki.p  Pro User  says:

The point when she grabbed for your camera bag was seriously when this situation went wrong. I think you did everything you could to prevent this from escalating to the extreme. Stories like this never fail to surprise me. I'm glad yours was a walk-away ending. I'm currently tracking this story about an off-duty NYC Subway employee who was arrested for photographing a train coming into the station. It's stories like this that cause me to hesitate the suggestion to call the police.
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