Outlook 2000 vs 2010

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@cdharrison says:

A little part of me just died inside.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Luke's Beard says:

.......oh great
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

setatakahashi says:

2000 renders the navigation bar correctly while 2010 doesn't.

2010 strips most CSS?
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Jessica King says:

That is really effing ridiculous.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Starting with Outlook 2007, MS reverted Outlook to use Word's HTML rendering engine rather than IE's in a bid to decrease the security risks inherent in IE.

Yes, the layering of incompetence is astounding.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

freshspaceinternet says:

Oh my. Why would they use Word as the rendering engine? Doh!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

moneydick says:

"Standards compliance" is met with a shudder in the halls of MSFT. Sad.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

sighmon says:

@Matt Wiebe - So because of flaws in IE, they're crippling other software as well?

Why not just give the user the option of which webkit they'd like to render their mail.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

petwalrus2 says:

Outlook 2015: powered by lynx!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

david.moffitt says:

MSFT fail. Check out Campaign Monitor's effort at fixoutlook.org - I think its high time someone stood up to Redmond and said "WTF guys, really?" - or something along those lines ;)
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Jake Mates says:

My future self just got a migraine.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Creative World (studio) says:

Opportunity missed, Microsoft... but its not too late to get it together.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

rodrigobarona says:

That is horrible for the web developers like me! ;_( Internet Explorer 8 works great, but Outlook 2010 doesn't works!!

Thanks for the movement!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Rob Winters says:

Oh well. Google Wave will kill outlook and email anyway, so it doesn't matter. (joke) ;)
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Kosse says:

This, from a strictly economic/ecological point of view is a WASTE, thousands (millions) of hours spent in fixing bad decisions from 1 company... 10 years later it's still mayhem.

Go twitter! Head to fixoutlook.org/ for all the details.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

osborne villas says:

I'd recommend using something else anyway.
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Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

fannarfreyr says:

Go M$ your are the best! I love this, why should email look good? What a bullsh*t!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Luís Abreu says:

I'd recommend using something else anyway, too. hint hint: GMail+Chrome/Safari/Firefox
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

jmp909 says:

can we see a screenshot of the same email in Gmail/Firefox?

to be honest, i don't think it's just Microsoft that's the problem for email rendering.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

dvux says:

one word: thunderbird...
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

EclecticRadio says:

Unbelievable, really. MS, please get real and use AT LEAST IE8's rendering engine.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

andi*pandi says:

Gmail isn't the standard either, fyi. Strips out css except inline.

But microsoft is just throwing up their hands. I look forward to seeing how other email clients evolve to fit the need.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Kris C says:

Further demise of MS? Looks like it to me.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Verious says:

Microsoft needs to get on the ball and update Outlook 2010 to support modern Web standards.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

lapkitt says:

Switch to Thunderbird Now !
The message will be Clear to
Manglesoft

fixoutlook.org/
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

karl.staudinger says:

is there any reason for this?
--karl
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Tim Ruddell says:

Two simple solutions:

a) If you don't like it, use another client.
b) Don't send (or read) HTML emails. I'm yet to receive anything useful / interesting / serious in a "pretty" CSS-ified email -- it's generally marketing bullshit.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

jeremymandle says:

Tim,

a) 20,000+ employees don't get the luxury of using another client.
So much of the electronic communication on our company intranet is bland text-based content. We like to distribute eye-catching content every so often. Microsoft should want to make that easy. Right?

b) It's not about you. It's mostly about the designers and developers having to cobble together hack included versions of already standards compliant collateral. Outlook 2007/2010 = IE5.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

cajebo says:

To misquote a recent inTel spot: "they're (MS) a different kind of nerd"
They apparently want us all to eat cake.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

JipoNet says:

Microsoft just replied with "The Power of Word in Outlook" blogs.msdn.com/outlook/archive/2009/06/24/the -power-of-wo...
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

William Aleman says:

They need to use Firefox rendering engine for Outlook 2010. Looks like that instead of advancing we are going back.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

automaton_be says:

fuck it, I'm going back to plaintext e-mail newsletters.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Simon Cox says:

One giant leap for mankind. Oh wait.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

andi*pandi says:

That ms blog post is really astonishing. Basically FU.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

noquarter says:

Way-to-go Ballmer!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

mrDarcyMurphy says:

Am I the only one who looks at that design and says "sure, I'd have to use tables, but I could still make it work."
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

daverau says:

Wackness. Glad to be a OS X Mail user.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

briarrose nightfire says:

please tell me this only affects outlook and not MS entourage (client for the Mac).
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

andi*pandi says:

point being though, that if you are developing an email, you want it to render properly on all email clients... and you don't want to have to write 5 different types of code to do it.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

zbrando says:

Great job Microsoft :(
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

ara_p says:

Everyone is speculating on Web 3.0 while Microsoft seems to be pining for Web 0.1. Sad.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

paydaynow says:

its working now at Mariloo.com, thanks you guy.
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

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