Outlook 2000 vs 2010

    That's 10 years of progress right there. Head to fixoutlook.org/ for all the details.

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      danielmorgan, sighmon, Adrien O'Leary, Douglas Heriot, and 28 other people added this photo to their favorites.

    2. @cdharrison (48 months ago | reply)

      A little part of me just died inside.

    3. Lukes Beard (48 months ago | reply)

      .......oh great

    4. setatakahashi (48 months ago | reply)

      2000 renders the navigation bar correctly while 2010 doesn't.

      2010 strips most CSS?

    5. Jessica King (48 months ago | reply)

      That is really effing ridiculous.

    6. Matt Wiebe (48 months ago | reply)

      Starting with Outlook 2007, MS reverted Outlook to use Word's HTML rendering engine rather than IE's in a bid to decrease the security risks inherent in IE.

      Yes, the layering of incompetence is astounding.

    7. digital daz (48 months ago | reply)

      Oh my. Why would they use Word as the rendering engine? Doh!

    8. danielmorgan (48 months ago | reply)

      "Standards compliance" is met with a shudder in the halls of MSFT. Sad.

    9. sighmon (48 months ago | reply)

      @Matt Wiebe - So because of flaws in IE, they're crippling other software as well?

      Why not just give the user the option of which webkit they'd like to render their mail.

    10. petwalrus2 (48 months ago | reply)

      Outlook 2015: powered by lynx!

    11. david.moffitt (48 months ago | reply)

      MSFT fail. Check out Campaign Monitor's effort at fixoutlook.org - I think its high time someone stood up to Redmond and said "WTF guys, really?" - or something along those lines ;)

    12. Jake Mates (48 months ago | reply)

      My future self just got a migraine.

    13. Creative World (studio) (48 months ago | reply)

      Opportunity missed, Microsoft... but its not too late to get it together.

    14. rodrigobarona (48 months ago | reply)

      That is horrible for the web developers like me! ;_( Internet Explorer 8 works great, but Outlook 2010 doesn't works!!

      Thanks for the movement!

    15. Rob Winters (48 months ago | reply)

      Oh well. Google Wave will kill outlook and email anyway, so it doesn't matter. (joke) ;)

    16. Kosse (48 months ago | reply)

      This, from a strictly economic/ecological point of view is a WASTE, thousands (millions) of hours spent in fixing bad decisions from 1 company... 10 years later it's still mayhem.

      Go twitter! Head to fixoutlook.org/ for all the details.

    17. Nick J Stone (48 months ago | reply)

      I'd recommend using something else anyway.
      --
      Seen on fixoutlook.org ( ?² )

    18. fannarfreyr (48 months ago | reply)

      Go M$ your are the best! I love this, why should email look good? What a bullsh*t!

    19. Luís Abreu (48 months ago | reply)

      I'd recommend using something else anyway, too. hint hint: GMail+Chrome/Safari/Firefox

    20. jmp909 (48 months ago | reply)

      can we see a screenshot of the same email in Gmail/Firefox?

      to be honest, i don't think it's just Microsoft that's the problem for email rendering.

    21. dvux (48 months ago | reply)

      one word: thunderbird...

    22. MattLabour (48 months ago | reply)

      Unbelievable, really. MS, please get real and use AT LEAST IE8's rendering engine.

    23. andi*pandi (48 months ago | reply)

      Gmail isn't the standard either, fyi. Strips out css except inline.

      But microsoft is just throwing up their hands. I look forward to seeing how other email clients evolve to fit the need.

    24. Kris C (48 months ago | reply)

      Further demise of MS? Looks like it to me.

    25. Verious (48 months ago | reply)

      Microsoft needs to get on the ball and update Outlook 2010 to support modern Web standards.

    26. lapkitt (48 months ago | reply)

      Switch to Thunderbird Now !
      The message will be Clear to
      Manglesoft

      fixoutlook.org/

    27. karl.staudinger (48 months ago | reply)

      is there any reason for this?
      --karl

    28. Tim Ruddell (48 months ago | reply)

      Two simple solutions:

      a) If you don't like it, use another client.
      b) Don't send (or read) HTML emails. I'm yet to receive anything useful / interesting / serious in a "pretty" CSS-ified email -- it's generally marketing bullshit.

    29. jeremymandle (48 months ago | reply)

      Tim,

      a) 20,000+ employees don't get the luxury of using another client.
      So much of the electronic communication on our company intranet is bland text-based content. We like to distribute eye-catching content every so often. Microsoft should want to make that easy. Right?

      b) It's not about you. It's mostly about the designers and developers having to cobble together hack included versions of already standards compliant collateral. Outlook 2007/2010 = IE5.

    30. cajebo (48 months ago | reply)

      To misquote a recent inTel spot: "they're (MS) a different kind of nerd"
      They apparently want us all to eat cake.

    31. Igo Tan (48 months ago | reply)

      Microsoft just replied with "The Power of Word in Outlook" blogs.msdn.com/outlook/archive/2009/06/24/the -power-of-wo...

    32. William Aleman (47 months ago | reply)

      They need to use Firefox rendering engine for Outlook 2010. Looks like that instead of advancing we are going back.

    33. automaton_be (47 months ago | reply)

      fuck it, I'm going back to plaintext e-mail newsletters.

    34. Simon Cox (47 months ago | reply)

      One giant leap for mankind. Oh wait.

    35. andi*pandi (47 months ago | reply)

      That ms blog post is really astonishing. Basically FU.

    36. noquarter (47 months ago | reply)

      Way-to-go Ballmer!

    37. mrDarcyMurphy (47 months ago | reply)

      Am I the only one who looks at that design and says "sure, I'd have to use tables, but I could still make it work."

    38. daverau (47 months ago | reply)

      Wackness. Glad to be a OS X Mail user.

    39. georgia nesmith (47 months ago | reply)

      please tell me this only affects outlook and not MS entourage (client for the Mac).

    40. andi*pandi (47 months ago | reply)

      point being though, that if you are developing an email, you want it to render properly on all email clients... and you don't want to have to write 5 different types of code to do it.

    41. zbrando [deleted] (47 months ago | reply)

      Great job Microsoft :(

    42. Ara Pehlivanian (47 months ago | reply)

      Everyone is speculating on Web 3.0 while Microsoft seems to be pining for Web 0.1. Sad.

    43. paydaynow (46 months ago | reply)

      its working now at Mariloo.com, thanks you guy.

    44. Frederick Szczepanski (38 months ago | reply)

      sad

    45. NOW - Digital Agency (38 months ago | reply)

      Scary, and disappointing!

    46. sarah_williams_photography (38 months ago | reply)

      i was looking forward to outlook 2010 (coz I hate 2007)
      but now it seems its gonna be just as bad!

      anyone have a better email client to use?

      my MAIN issue is speed/performance.

    47. Johan J.Ingles-Le Nobel (13 months ago | reply)

      Is there such a thing as an outlook 2010 htm email renderer around where you can put in your proposed design and see what it looks like?

      Thanks

    48. daniel7rei (9 months ago | reply)

      Evolution and Zimbra employ proven, standards-compliant tools and present the results in a coherent, friendly interface. they have done so for years and are free. msoffice is for idiots.

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