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The Berlin Wall November 28, 1975 looking southeast

Potsdamer Platz subway entrance (S-Bahn). This entrance no longer exists in the same location since the reconstruction during the 1990's.
Haus Vaterland. It was part of East Berlin until an exchange in 1971. Subsequently demolished in 1976. It was at the corner of Stresemannstraße and Köthener Strasse.
This small structure and its smokestack were removed in the year 2000 . It was on what is now Erna-Berger-Strasse. If it had been removed when I took the photo we could see all of Martin-Gropius-Bau on Niederkirchnerstr.
In 2009 this building will be the Federal Ministry for Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety. Stresemannstr. 128-130
Guard tower on top of 128-130 Stressemannstr. Now removed.
Hotel Bel Ahr has since this time had additions made to the building. Whether it was originally a hotel or not I do not know. The building shown here was built atter 1962, more than that I do not know.
Stresemannstraße 97
This is Hansa Studios. Köthener Str. 38. Until 1971 Haus Vaterland was part of East Berlin, so the wall ran between HV the Hansa Studios building making it the "Studio by the Wall."
"Inner wall" (East side)
"Outer wall" West side, before Wall-art.
The base of a memorial intended to be for Karl Liebknecht which was begun in 1951 but never completed. This is still in Potsdamer Platz today.
This building in the distance is today Allgemeine Ortskrankenkasse, AOK.
Wilhelmstr. 1
A S-Bahn (subway) entrance covered while in the death strip. Today there is an entrance in this location.
Probably a covered entrance to the S-Bahn.
The Berlin Wall November 28, 1975 looking southeast by Fauxaddress - Edward.
Potsdamer Platz in 1975
If you are interested in seeing what this photo would look like if taken in 2009, please see Umschauen's photo taken in the exact same location, here. His photo duplicates the wide angle in this shot.

The previous photo in my photo-stream is a close-up of the blocked off Potsdamer Platz subway (S-Bahn) entrance seen in this photo.

Potsdamer Platz was a wasteland in November 1975. The wall shown above is the third generation of the wall which began to be constructed during 1965. The one of which we normally think, the fourth and final version, began to be constructed in 1975 and finished in 1980. Earlier versions were not as secure so they evolved until the fourth generation was in place. Below I will provide links to photos of the various versions of the wall and the buildings visible in my photo above.

Before the Wall
In 1959 the wall did not yet exist. There were only different “sectors” (Soviet, US, UK, and French). To cross from the East to West sectors, or vice versa, people were sometimes (not every person every time) required to show identification. A photo taken by Allhails at that time showing the East German police (Vopo – short for “Volks Polizei”) checking ID as people enter or exit the Potsdamer Platz S-Bahn station which was located within the Soviet sector.

Here is another picture from Allhails 1959-1960 set taken from the Soviet sector looking back at West Berlin. You can see the S-Bahn sign and the role of the white iron-pipe fence visible in the photo above before the wall was built. As seen here Postdamer Platz still functioned as an intersection in 1960.

A reverse shot from the photo mentioned above taken from the café in West Berlin looks back across what is shortly to become the “death-strip” or no-man’s-land. In it you can see some of the buildings (including Haus Vaterland and what is to become in the 21st century the Federal Ministry for Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety at 128-130 Stresemannstrasse) visible in my photo in 1975.

There is a great shot from 1960 of Haus Vaterland and the base of the memorial to Karl Liebknecht. Both are visible in the photo shown on this page, however you may need to check the notes as the memorial is just a black square from this distance.


The Wall
According to Wikipedia through the years, the Berlin Wall evolved through four versions:
1. Wire fence (1961)
2. Improved wire fence (1962–1965)
3. Concrete wall (1965–1975)
4. Grenzmauer 75 (Border Wall 75) (1975–1989)


The Wire Fence (1961)
The initial roll-out of the fence/wall on August 13, 1961 was mainly barbed wire.
Here you can see the East German (DDR) setting up the fence while West Berliners stand by watching. The odd thing here, for me at least, is how those from the West seem amused by the whole affair.

In addition to the barbed wire, streets were torn up and barricades erected to stop those in the east from fleeing in their vehicles as can be seen
here.

It soon became apparent that barbed wire and guards alone were insufficient. If anyone had any doubts it was made painfully clear (to the DDR) on August 15, 1961 when Hans Conrad Schumann, an East German guard leapt to freedom as seen
here.. Sadly, if you read the Wikipedia article, all did not end happily for Herr Schumann.

Improved wire fence 1962-1965
Allhails photo of Potsdamer Platz taken in 1962 shows how the original wire wall was improved by adding a concrete wall with barbed wire one top.
This photo shows two of the structures in my 1975 photo: Haus Vaterland and the building at 128-130 Stresemannstr. You will see the U-Bahn entrance shown in the 1960 photo mentioned above now stands in the middle of the “death strip” and has been consequently sealed.

Another difference between 1975 and 1962 is that until 1971 Haus Vaterland was in the Soviet sector. If you look closely at this 1962 photo you can see the wall (center of photo in the distance) comes down what is today Stresemannstrasse and then turns south to wrap around Haus Vaterland and includes the structure in no-man’s-land. By 1975 the wall cuts across in front of Haus Vaterland probably over top of the U-Bahn entrance shown in 1960 and 1962.
 
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davydubbit  Pro User  says:

I'm thinking that this www.flickr.com/photos/davydubbit/3038792460/ is probably the same underground station today and facing the same direction?
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Umschauen  Pro User  says:

Yes, the two view points ought to be less than 100 m apart and in both images the camera points east. But the only continuity of the station is the name. There has been a massive construction effort around Potsdamer Platz in the 1990ies, there were excavations with a depth of several dozen meters to prepare underground car parks and an underground long distance train station. Some of the new concrete was set up underwater by special divers because the digging was deeper than the groundwater level.
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Fauxaddress - Edward  Pro User  says:

Through much advice (most of it from Umschauen) and a bit of mapping, I have determined that that actual entrance to the S-bahn no longer comes up to the street as it did then. No doubt you can access the same platform through the train station at the north-west corner of Potsdamerstrasse and Ebertstrasse. The actual location of the entrance shown here in 1975 may now be In the median or perhaps a little in the street (Potsdamerstrasse).

This is what I did:
1) You will see that in my photo the front of the building with the stripes (I was told it is now the Ministry for the Environment 128 Stresemannstr.) nearly lines up perfectly with the camera’s line of sight, except you can see just a small slice of the front of the building. So, I drew a line from in front of that building to imitate the view of the front of that building as seen in my photo.

2) In 1975 there was a structure with a smokestack behind the above mentioned building. If we removed that, as in present day, we would see a small piece of clear space between the back of the “Environment” building and the front of Abgeordnetenhaus.

So I drew another line-of-sight from the south-west corner of Abgeordnetenhaus behind the Environment building, but not too close. Then I drew another line from the back of the Environment building such that it would allow to us to see the space between the two buildings similar to what we see in the 1975 photo.

3) Lastly, I drew in the actual location of the western or outer (I don’t know what to call it since there were two) wall. You can see the line in the pavement on Google Earth. The old subway entrance was only about 2 meters west of that wall.

Where all four of these lines meet would have to be where the the photo was taken from. I took the picture @ 10 meters away back from the wall on a platform. I think that location would now be about where the south-east corner of the northern train station is. That would leave the subway entrance in the street or at the curb of Potsdamerstr.

This is difficult to explain, but I hope I was clear enough. You can find the map where I drew all these lines by going to Google Maps at this link:
maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8& msa=0&m...

Let me know if this doesn’t make sense to you or correct me where I have gone astray.
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davydubbit  Pro User  says:

Thanks. That sounds like a lot of work! ;-)

To help you picture it today; this pic of the Potsdamer Stations was taken facing west on the south side of Leipziger Str. www.flickr.com/photos/davydubbit/3019030537

In this www.flickr.com/photos/davydubbit/3019036585 my Potsdamer Station pic was taken from just about where the gap in the buildings is, both this pic and the station pic were taken facing East from the Sony Centre.

Regardless of the station entrances jumping about a little I found it awesome that things had changed so totally, compared to your 70's pic. Those clever Berliners eh ;-)
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Fauxaddress - Edward  Pro User  says:

Actually, it was more work to describe the process than to do it.

The key was that I erroneously thought (or simply hoped) that the same street level entrance would exist today. Once a couple of Berliners and "Allhails" (& his photos from circa 1960) helped me to get a better perspective, a close look at Google Earth showed that all of the current street entrances were in 1975 in "No Man's Land." The rest was relatively easy. ;)
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Andreas who has left [deleted] says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Enclaves and exclaves, and we'd love to have this added to the group!

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Former Border, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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BerlinByDay says:

The white building in the middle is an Hotel. It stills exist. Left from that hotel on the other side of the Stresemannstrasse there is the construction of the new ministery of Environement.
www.galerie-noir.de/StresemannstrJune2008/ind ex_4.htm
A new street is done called Erna Berger Strasse
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Fauxaddress - Edward  Pro User  says:

BerlinByDay: If you get the name and/or address of the hotel, I'd like to know. Then I could map it out on the Google Maps link in the comment above. Thanks.
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kruhme says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Preußen - Prussia - Prusia, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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david.bank  Pro User  says:

Unglaubliches Bild. Incredible photo. Thanks for shaning it.
I remember well the wall which I experienced between 1979 and 1989 living close in Tiergarten.
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ogravityo says:

Hi
This is Pace, an editor form Roodo.com in Taiwan.
Roodo.com is a web-magazine company and our website is magz.roodo.com/
We love affairs, culture, arts, designs, music, movie, and books...etc

One of our Global column writer wants to do an article about ‚’’20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall'';
however, we don't have photos about historical Berlin Wall.
Since we saw your photos on flickr and love your works so much.
We're wondering if you can provide your Berlin Wall's photos for us.

We definitely will put your name as a photographer right below the photo you give us
and I'll contact you the link when your photos are shown on the web.

Thank you so mcuch

Best Regards
Pace


pace@roodo.com
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londonconstant  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called CANNIBAL CITY, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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londonconstant  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called BCA - Brutalist Communist Architecture, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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londonconstant  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Communist prisons, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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feelix says:

This is how that place looked in May 1989: www.flickr.com/photos/feelix/3448467856/
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Asilanom says:

Great shot!
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王的村 Königsdorff / Koenigsdorff says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Enclaves and exclaves, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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jorge dragón [testing flickr]  Pro User  says:

Very descritive information and notes of the space we see in the image,

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Archivos de la Frontera-Borderline Archives, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
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Peter Gutierrez  Pro User  says:

Ich bin ein Berliner.
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SiranZhan says:

Dear Edward,

My name's Siran and I'm a student studying at Singapore Management University.

My class is going to hold an exhibition in our school on 9th Nov (next Monday) about the fall of the Berlin Wall to commemorate its 20th anniversary. I find some of your photos from here very interesting and relevant and would like to have them at our exhibition. I wonder if I can have your permission to do so? We will definitely credit you and your website below the photo.

I hope to hear your positive response soon!

Regards,
Siran
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