No... rather, some people view women as
sexual business people, and those same women
view men as clients.
Next, introduce supply and demand. The signs
are written in some sort of asian language
(probably Chinese). Then you take into
account that 4/5ths of the "menu"
are asian. This means "Russian" is
more of a rarity, which means you would pay
a premium.
If it were somewhere in Europe and the list
read "Ukraine Girl, Prague Girl, Russian
Girl, Japanese Girl", I'm sure the
"Japanese Girl" would be more
expensive.
actually, you just argued that Arminstead is
right. :) in an asian country, a white
prostitute has a higher value, mostly due to
the "exotic" nature, compared to
the local people. the proof was verified by
your second example, a japanese girl in
europe.
so the skin colour does set the price, for
rarity is just another word for exotic.
the characters are definitely chinese, and i
guess this is hong kong. so 500 HKD would put
the girl at around 64 USD.
regarding the photo ... it was a good
capture, however you were obviously in a
seedy part of town, to actually get this pic!
;)
Given that this is complex vs simplex
Chinese, it's probably HK (more likely) or
Taiwan. A quick translation:
1. 大波北姑: northern girl with big tits 2. 青春陀地: young local girl (I'm told 陀地 is
cantonese for local - hence more likely to be
HK) 3. 白淨馬拉: white skinned malay 4. 熱情寶妹: hot and spicy filipina 5. 狂野鬼妹: raving wild [foreign] ghost
sister - the Chinese doesn't actually say
Russian or even white... how do they know
they're not getting a girl from the Ukraine?
Oh yeah, and the sign also says that the A/C
is working.
There was another one I saw that offered
"white russian" and "fresh
local"... I swear to gods the first time
I saw it I thought it was fish or seafood...
David: Arminstead19's argument was that the
(white) Russian is priced higher because her
skin color makes her valued more highly as a
person, which would be racist (edit for
clarity: of the sign-makers, not of A19).
Rather, as David points out, she is priced
higher because herskin color is rarer in this
market, which makes her worth more as a commodity/service, an economic argument.
These are subtle, but different. If all your
country has is vanilla ice cream, chocolate's
going to cost you; whether vanilla or
chocolate is inherently "better" or
preferred by more people is immaterial if the
supply balance is sufficiently skewed.
You're both missing the point. You can call
it economics, but the cold hard truth is that
women are being treated as commodities. No
matter how you dress it up, sex work is the
objectification of women. Likewise, please
don't insult anyone's intelligence by
suggesting that most or even many women enjoy
it or do it of their own free will. They do
it to survive, and if the hooker you paid for
sex smiled, it's not because she likes you.
@You're both missing the point. You can call
it economics, but the cold hard truth is that
women are being treated as commodities. No
matter how you dress it up, sex work is the
objectification of women. Likewise, please
don't insult anyone's intelligence by
suggesting that most or even many women enjoy
it or do it of their own free will. They do
it to survive, and if the hooker you paid for
sex smiled, it's not because she likes you.
People do EVERYTHING to survive, she chooses
to do this as opposed to something else.
Aren't we all commodities in some way? I
mean, if you think of humans who sell
services to be commodities- wouldn't that
make everybody one? Why should selling sexual
labour be so much different than intellect,
or manpower?
I can't believe how some people say 'that's
great' or 'I'll take all' or 'me love you
long time...
This is just sad! Not this picture but the
fact that some people still believe that
prostitution is a good thing. Do you really
think that this people want to do this. Of
course some women choose to do this based on
their poverty but most women are forced and
can't get out of it!
you guys are really a laugh. no one likes
his own job. that's why they have to PAY
you. otherwise you would do it for free.
many parts of the world look at prostitution
as just another SERVICE. it's the exact same
thing as a professional massage.
if your hairdresser smiled at you, it's not
because s/he likes you. if your pilot smiled at you, it's not because
s/he likes you. if your teacher smiled at you, it's not
because s/he likes you. if your cashier smiled at you, it's not
because s/he likes you. ...ad naseum.... it's customer service!
as for pricing differences. it's supply and
demand, people. 'nuff said.
It would be one thing if the majority of
prostitutes were there because they chose to
be, even if it wasn't a particularly good
choice (I'd argue that, but for the sake of
my next point, I'm willing to concede that
one).
HOWEVER, the majority of women in sex trades
are not there by choice. They are they
because they are trapped in sexual slavery.
How you can brush over that fact is beyond
me. It is nowhere near the same thing as
using your mind or being paid for any other
conventional job. Being raped and given
little or no wages as compensation is hardly
a job. It's a human rights violation, you
massive, massive twats.
This deception, or looks like deception.
Russians virtually no longer remain. There
are many women who speak Russian, but not the
Russians, Russia is a multinational state.
And then not speak Russian, a resident of
Russia, because Russians virtually none.
cutething: i agree that sexual slavery is
abhorrent and should be wiped from the face
of the earth just as every other form of
slavery (look up migrant worker conditions in
florida's produce farms)
this is why it should be an above ground
legalized & regulated trade and the
stigma needs to be removed from customers and
service providers to keep it above ground.
i have only seen (not patronized!)
prostitutes in amsterdam, brussels antwerp,
and cyprus, and i can tell you very few of
them look miserable standing in those windows
and cabarets where this is legal and mostly
regulated. some do, for sure, just as so
many people look miserable in their jobs
making sandwiches for fat people or annoying
spoiled white girls at subway or whatever.
(i know it's not the same thing as being
miserable as a sex worker)
but being stupid and gullible and allowing a
"loverboy" (pimp) to run up debt in
your name so you have to "work to pay
off the debt" is also not the same thing
as being held captive against one's will.
i am sure there are plenty of places in the
world where it is all underground and women
are indeed held captive. i've never seen nor
do i care to see any of those places because
i wouldn't be able to contain my lust for
violent vengeance.
just make sure you understand all the
distinctions and nuances of what is going on
in the world before you make blanket
statements that the majority of women in sex
trade are there against their will. that is
american conservative propaganda stemming
from our puritanical roots of the
shamefulness of sex.
Please don't presume to think that I am
pushing a particular agenda. My issue is that
prostitution is rarely just as simple as
women CHOOSING to sell their bodies. If it
were, I wouldn't be arguing the point so
passionately. I am in utter and complete
agreement with you. Prostitution SHOULD be
legalized, not only for the points you
mentioned, but also for the protection of the
women involved, not just to prevent sexual
slavery (which I fear would continue
regardless), but also to protect women and
give them better healthcare. This would,
naturally, benefit any and all customers
frequenting brothels as well. Consider the
one state in the US where prostitution is
legalized.
When it is genuinely free choice, I have no
issue with women who choose to get into
prostitution. I sincerely hope they are not
under the assumption that it is the only way
for them to get ahead and make money, but
rather it is something they genuinely enjoy.
All that said, the idea that the MAJORITY of
women in sex trades are there of their own
free will or because they don't have to be
there, (e.g. they have children they have to
feed and no other means of income, etc.), is
bullshit. It isn't American propaganda
stemming from YOUR puritanical roots. It's
the damn truth.
The idea that women don't enjoy sex is
absurd. The idea that there aren't some or
even a lot of women out there who love sex
and would enjoy earning money for doing what
they love is equally stupid - consider the
porn industry. Porn is an industry dominated
by women where women make much more money
than their male counterparts, get to call the
shots far more often, and can become famous
in their own right (let's not even open the
can of worms that is how pornography
objectifies women or the physical risks
involved; let's just say I'm giving you an
inch, don't make me go back on it).
However, no one under any circumstances,
should be forced to have sex with strangers
and not get all of the money for doing so.
There are plenty of other factors in play,
such as drug addiction, poverty, lack of
education, and slavery that make this a far
more complex issue than supply and demand.
That's MY point, and I sincerely hope you all
can respect that. I'm not making any blanked
statements that prostitution in and of itself
is bad or wrong, nor that prostitution should
be abolished. I'm talking about sexual
slavery which more often than not overlaps
into prostitution. To ignore that or decide
that it isn't relevant or valid is to be
repulsively blithe about a prevalent issue.
good points. then i think we agree
completely. our only difference is whether
it's a majority or a minority, and that we
will never know. i don't think i said it's a
majority. i wouldn't presume to know and as
a statistician, i distrust all statistics
anyway. i agree it's a nasty business for
sure and you're right, legalizing it will
still not stop all the abuses. amsterdam for
all it's progressiveness is often cited as a
hub for child prostitution. how oh how could
we ever get rid of that??
of course women enjoy sex. most of the ones
i know sure do. how that lie was ever
propagated i don't know. i have younger 7
sisters for christ's sake and i know what
they're up to (mostly!).
oh and i agree prostitutes should keep the
largest percentage of their money. i'd
assume they'd need to tip out security and
minders and what not as wait staff do for
barbacks and busboys but not the majority
going to a pimp.
hey! i think porn objectifies men as money
bags. ;-)
i'm in belgium right now and too tired to
think about this further. my thoughts aren't
coming in clearly right now. ciao belle.
@highsmith: you are completely, totally, awe
inspiringly deluded if you think prostitutes
get to negotiate how much of their earnings
they may keep. do you think they get SSI?
401k? perhaps disability? No. ALL of the
money goes to their pimp or brothel. The
End.
xenakis000: um yeah, no. that's not what i
said nor what i believe. please re-read.
you missed something in my long (and
sometimes hypothetical) discussion with
cutething.
I am from Hong Kong. The listed prices are
understated. You will have to pay 150HK$ on
top of the listed price. Moreover, you can
hardly find any Russian speaking girls in
this kind of establishment in HK nowaday.
They have similar situation in Korea,
especially in Busan where city is dominated
by Russian Mafia. You would be paying about
$100US for Korean or Chinese woman but, you
will be paying around $500US for Russian or
Ukrainian. Its not colour of skin but, colour
of hair and eyes that fascinates Korean men
to pay such large amount of money. Yes, its
crazy but, they pay..
I know that this is an old photo but the
picture you have taken of these prices goes
beyond prostitution. This is a clear example
of Human Trafficking which is modern day
slavery. Every year thousands of girls are
taken from their home countries and forced to
prostitute themselves in foreign brothels.
The way that you can tell from this picture
is the mix of women. Don't you think it is
interesting that a Russian Girl, a Malay
girl, a Chinese Girl and a Philippine Girl
all happen to work at this one brothel in
China? The reason they are there is because
they have been trafficked from another
country and forced into prostitution. They
are literally sex slaves.
I thought I would bring this up because it is
clear NO ONE on this message board is aware
of this. These girls do not deserve our
mockery; they deserve our prayers because
they are in one of the most terrible
situations on earth, being raped multiple
times a day because they are no longer human,
just a product in the second most profitable
illegal trade on Earth.
I am really sorry that you think a girl being
taken against her will and raped every day is
something to joke about. What if that girl
was your sister? Would you be laughing then?
I think you should be totally ashamed of the
fact that you are so ignorant as to think
something like sex slavery is funny.
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arminstead19 (48 months ago | reply)
We still think of women, as sexual property. And the color of their skin sets the price
Jon Winstanley (48 months ago | reply)
that's crazy
Heri R. (48 months ago | reply)
where is this? hong kong?
Anitza V (48 months ago | reply)
Wow.
thirdeyepod (48 months ago | reply)
My guess is yes, Hong Kong. And that would make the Russian girl $64US.
missbossy (48 months ago | reply)
What about Thai? Any decent HK establishment would be offering that.
SIRBERUS (48 months ago | reply)
@Arminstead19...
No... rather, some people view women as sexual business people, and those same women view men as clients.
Next, introduce supply and demand. The signs are written in some sort of asian language (probably Chinese). Then you take into account that 4/5ths of the "menu" are asian. This means "Russian" is more of a rarity, which means you would pay a premium.
If it were somewhere in Europe and the list read "Ukraine Girl, Prague Girl, Russian Girl, Japanese Girl", I'm sure the "Japanese Girl" would be more expensive.
david smeaton (48 months ago | reply)
@SIRBERUS
actually, you just argued that Arminstead is right. :) in an asian country, a white prostitute has a higher value, mostly due to the "exotic" nature, compared to the local people. the proof was verified by your second example, a japanese girl in europe.
so the skin colour does set the price, for rarity is just another word for exotic.
the characters are definitely chinese, and i guess this is hong kong. so 500 HKD would put the girl at around 64 USD.
regarding the photo ... it was a good capture, however you were obviously in a seedy part of town, to actually get this pic! ;)
ColorCitricSugar (48 months ago | reply)
ill take one of each? haha
bespriyutnaya_dusha (48 months ago | reply)
Given that this is complex vs simplex Chinese, it's probably HK (more likely) or Taiwan. A quick translation:
1. 大波北姑: northern girl with big tits
2. 青春陀地: young local girl (I'm told 陀地 is cantonese for local - hence more likely to be HK)
3. 白淨馬拉: white skinned malay
4. 熱情寶妹: hot and spicy filipina
5. 狂野鬼妹: raving wild [foreign] ghost sister - the Chinese doesn't actually say Russian or even white... how do they know they're not getting a girl from the Ukraine?
Oh yeah, and the sign also says that the A/C is working.
winglmui (48 months ago | reply)
It is indeed Hong Kong. The yellow sign is a universal symbol for "whores here!" in HK.
The world is my canvas (48 months ago | reply)
All,
Yes it is Hong Kong and in a seedy part of town. I did not venture in as I never have and never will pay for it!! lol
I was there 12 months ago.
It was an interesting image and decided to post it.
I guess I didn't expect 44,000+ views lol
hpeguk (48 months ago | reply)
There was another one I saw that offered "white russian" and "fresh local"... I swear to gods the first time I saw it I thought it was fish or seafood...
isaiahlt (48 months ago | reply)
David: Arminstead19's argument was that the (white) Russian is priced higher because her skin color makes her valued more highly as a person, which would be racist (edit for clarity: of the sign-makers, not of A19). Rather, as David points out, she is priced higher because herskin color is rarer in this market, which makes her worth more as a commodity/service, an economic argument.
These are subtle, but different. If all your country has is vanilla ice cream, chocolate's going to cost you; whether vanilla or chocolate is inherently "better" or preferred by more people is immaterial if the supply balance is sufficiently skewed.
Good to know they have working A/C though.
Zlatko Unger (48 months ago | reply)
good thing that the AC is working
unripegreenbanana (48 months ago | reply)
Made the front page of reddit
ThreeDee912 (48 months ago | reply)
Greetings from Digg!
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kelaltieri (48 months ago | reply)
me love you long time. sucky sucky.
cutething (48 months ago | reply)
@isaiahlt:
You're both missing the point. You can call it economics, but the cold hard truth is that women are being treated as commodities. No matter how you dress it up, sex work is the objectification of women. Likewise, please don't insult anyone's intelligence by suggesting that most or even many women enjoy it or do it of their own free will. They do it to survive, and if the hooker you paid for sex smiled, it's not because she likes you.
Tom Lowe @ Timescapes (48 months ago | reply)
Russian hoes are superstars in Dubai.
nin1234567 (48 months ago | reply)
What a good deal
ipodgregio (48 months ago | reply)
mmm Russian
sidetracked (48 months ago | reply)
Nice shot, and congrats on the digg :-)
singhalex (48 months ago | reply)
very sad
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OscarFalcon (48 months ago | reply)
No way!
I saw this on DIgg, by the way.
OFFTOPICS.COM (48 months ago | reply)
Hi, I'm an admin for a group called OFFTOPICS. COM, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
duconihilum (48 months ago | reply)
@You're both missing the point. You can call it economics, but the cold hard truth is that women are being treated as commodities. No matter how you dress it up, sex work is the objectification of women. Likewise, please don't insult anyone's intelligence by suggesting that most or even many women enjoy it or do it of their own free will. They do it to survive, and if the hooker you paid for sex smiled, it's not because she likes you.
People do EVERYTHING to survive, she chooses to do this as opposed to something else. Aren't we all commodities in some way? I mean, if you think of humans who sell services to be commodities- wouldn't that make everybody one? Why should selling sexual labour be so much different than intellect, or manpower?
surrelmar (48 months ago | reply)
I can't believe how some people say 'that's great' or 'I'll take all' or 'me love you long time...
This is just sad! Not this picture but the fact that some people still believe that prostitution is a good thing. Do you really think that this people want to do this. Of course some women choose to do this based on their poverty but most women are forced and can't get out of it!
highsmith (48 months ago | reply)
you guys are really a laugh. no one likes his own job. that's why they have to PAY you. otherwise you would do it for free.
many parts of the world look at prostitution as just another SERVICE. it's the exact same thing as a professional massage.
if your hairdresser smiled at you, it's not because s/he likes you.
if your pilot smiled at you, it's not because s/he likes you.
if your teacher smiled at you, it's not because s/he likes you.
if your cashier smiled at you, it's not because s/he likes you.
...ad naseum.... it's customer service!
as for pricing differences. it's supply and demand, people.
'nuff said.
oh and "chinese" is not a language.
GarotaDesastrada (48 months ago | reply)
Was this in Mong Kok?
its mike (48 months ago | reply)
wow! no subtleties there.
cutething (48 months ago | reply)
It would be one thing if the majority of prostitutes were there because they chose to be, even if it wasn't a particularly good choice (I'd argue that, but for the sake of my next point, I'm willing to concede that one).
HOWEVER, the majority of women in sex trades are not there by choice. They are they because they are trapped in sexual slavery. How you can brush over that fact is beyond me. It is nowhere near the same thing as using your mind or being paid for any other conventional job. Being raped and given little or no wages as compensation is hardly a job. It's a human rights violation, you massive, massive twats.
metasin (48 months ago | reply)
you know what? prostitution isn't going to go away, ever.
deal with it.
rtuk2k (48 months ago | reply)
This deception, or looks like deception. Russians virtually no longer remain. There are many women who speak Russian, but not the Russians, Russia is a multinational state. And then not speak Russian, a resident of Russia, because Russians virtually none.
highsmith (48 months ago | reply)
cutething: i agree that sexual slavery is abhorrent and should be wiped from the face of the earth just as every other form of slavery (look up migrant worker conditions in florida's produce farms)
this is why it should be an above ground legalized & regulated trade and the stigma needs to be removed from customers and service providers to keep it above ground.
i have only seen (not patronized!) prostitutes in amsterdam, brussels antwerp, and cyprus, and i can tell you very few of them look miserable standing in those windows and cabarets where this is legal and mostly regulated. some do, for sure, just as so many people look miserable in their jobs making sandwiches for fat people or annoying spoiled white girls at subway or whatever. (i know it's not the same thing as being miserable as a sex worker)
but being stupid and gullible and allowing a "loverboy" (pimp) to run up debt in your name so you have to "work to pay off the debt" is also not the same thing as being held captive against one's will.
i am sure there are plenty of places in the world where it is all underground and women are indeed held captive. i've never seen nor do i care to see any of those places because i wouldn't be able to contain my lust for violent vengeance.
just make sure you understand all the distinctions and nuances of what is going on in the world before you make blanket statements that the majority of women in sex trade are there against their will. that is american conservative propaganda stemming from our puritanical roots of the shamefulness of sex.
cutething (48 months ago | reply)
@highsmith:
Please don't presume to think that I am pushing a particular agenda. My issue is that prostitution is rarely just as simple as women CHOOSING to sell their bodies. If it were, I wouldn't be arguing the point so passionately. I am in utter and complete agreement with you. Prostitution SHOULD be legalized, not only for the points you mentioned, but also for the protection of the women involved, not just to prevent sexual slavery (which I fear would continue regardless), but also to protect women and give them better healthcare. This would, naturally, benefit any and all customers frequenting brothels as well. Consider the one state in the US where prostitution is legalized.
When it is genuinely free choice, I have no issue with women who choose to get into prostitution. I sincerely hope they are not under the assumption that it is the only way for them to get ahead and make money, but rather it is something they genuinely enjoy.
All that said, the idea that the MAJORITY of women in sex trades are there of their own free will or because they don't have to be there, (e.g. they have children they have to feed and no other means of income, etc.), is bullshit. It isn't American propaganda stemming from YOUR puritanical roots. It's the damn truth.
The idea that women don't enjoy sex is absurd. The idea that there aren't some or even a lot of women out there who love sex and would enjoy earning money for doing what they love is equally stupid - consider the porn industry. Porn is an industry dominated by women where women make much more money than their male counterparts, get to call the shots far more often, and can become famous in their own right (let's not even open the can of worms that is how pornography objectifies women or the physical risks involved; let's just say I'm giving you an inch, don't make me go back on it).
However, no one under any circumstances, should be forced to have sex with strangers and not get all of the money for doing so. There are plenty of other factors in play, such as drug addiction, poverty, lack of education, and slavery that make this a far more complex issue than supply and demand. That's MY point, and I sincerely hope you all can respect that. I'm not making any blanked statements that prostitution in and of itself is bad or wrong, nor that prostitution should be abolished. I'm talking about sexual slavery which more often than not overlaps into prostitution. To ignore that or decide that it isn't relevant or valid is to be repulsively blithe about a prevalent issue.
highsmith (48 months ago | reply)
good points. then i think we agree completely. our only difference is whether it's a majority or a minority, and that we will never know. i don't think i said it's a majority. i wouldn't presume to know and as a statistician, i distrust all statistics anyway. i agree it's a nasty business for sure and you're right, legalizing it will still not stop all the abuses. amsterdam for all it's progressiveness is often cited as a hub for child prostitution. how oh how could we ever get rid of that??
of course women enjoy sex. most of the ones i know sure do. how that lie was ever propagated i don't know. i have younger 7 sisters for christ's sake and i know what they're up to (mostly!).
oh and i agree prostitutes should keep the largest percentage of their money. i'd assume they'd need to tip out security and minders and what not as wait staff do for barbacks and busboys but not the majority going to a pimp.
hey! i think porn objectifies men as money bags. ;-)
i'm in belgium right now and too tired to think about this further. my thoughts aren't coming in clearly right now. ciao belle.
xenakis000 (47 months ago | reply)
@highsmith: you are completely, totally, awe inspiringly deluded if you think prostitutes get to negotiate how much of their earnings they may keep. do you think they get SSI? 401k? perhaps disability? No. ALL of the money goes to their pimp or brothel. The End.
highsmith (47 months ago | reply)
xenakis000: um yeah, no. that's not what i said nor what i believe. please re-read. you missed something in my long (and sometimes hypothetical) discussion with cutething.
yanyading (47 months ago | reply)
Good Shot!
Ziggylala [deleted] (46 months ago | reply)
Shit! the hottest is cheapest!
hksecretgarden001 (44 months ago | reply)
I am from Hong Kong. The listed prices are understated. You will have to pay 150HK$ on top of the listed price. Moreover, you can hardly find any Russian speaking girls in this kind of establishment in HK nowaday.
sukuki (39 months ago | reply)
They have similar situation in Korea, especially in Busan where city is dominated by Russian Mafia. You would be paying about $100US for Korean or Chinese woman but, you will be paying around $500US for Russian or Ukrainian. Its not colour of skin but, colour of hair and eyes that fascinates Korean men to pay such large amount of money. Yes, its crazy but, they pay..
BlueisCoool (39 months ago | reply)
rems2k (39 months ago | reply)
If that really translates for what the board stands then I'm just sadder. Nothing more.
steamdata [deleted] (39 months ago | reply)
No Canadiens girls pffff
☂Givafuck☂ (39 months ago | reply)
Cuz RUSSIAN bitches do ANAL!
Project Exodus (39 months ago | reply)
I know that this is an old photo but the picture you have taken of these prices goes beyond prostitution. This is a clear example of Human Trafficking which is modern day slavery. Every year thousands of girls are taken from their home countries and forced to prostitute themselves in foreign brothels. The way that you can tell from this picture is the mix of women. Don't you think it is interesting that a Russian Girl, a Malay girl, a Chinese Girl and a Philippine Girl all happen to work at this one brothel in China? The reason they are there is because they have been trafficked from another country and forced into prostitution. They are literally sex slaves.
I thought I would bring this up because it is clear NO ONE on this message board is aware of this. These girls do not deserve our mockery; they deserve our prayers because they are in one of the most terrible situations on earth, being raped multiple times a day because they are no longer human, just a product in the second most profitable illegal trade on Earth.
If anyone reading this wants more information about human trafficking, please visit www.humantrafficking.org or www.project-exodus.org.
☂Givafuck☂ (39 months ago | reply)
Hoe trafficking = $$$$$$$$$ In the bank!
And $$$$$ Iz everything in this bitch! Bes believe!
Project Exodus (39 months ago | reply)
I am really sorry that you think a girl being taken against her will and raped every day is something to joke about. What if that girl was your sister? Would you be laughing then? I think you should be totally ashamed of the fact that you are so ignorant as to think something like sex slavery is funny.