sorry, but some camera porn since i cant get around much due to my sprained back.... not your average cup of tea... Some consider the Leica M5 to be the ugliest and biggest M Leica ever built. Minus the size, everything about it is well thought out. The film load never jams, the film winder is tucked stealthy underneath, the shutter speed knob is thin but extended, making it so easy to adjust on the go, precise needle TTL metering, oh there is also a self-timer for that camera whore in you and yes, no ugly red dot. yeah!