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kfury says:

When you torrent MP3s you're sharing music with Hitler!
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agitpropster1 says:

These are all great EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE. Yeah, I know the recording industry is a dollar short and a day late when it comes to IP rights but that doesn't excuse the fact that ripping and burning and seeding MP3's IS STEALING. If you don't think so come over to my house and do all my yard work for nothing. See how you like WORKING FOR FREE

I USED to have a great freelance business designing CD packaging for all the big labels but NO MORE. All the time I hear kids saying "Snoop and Bono don't need my money." That's right, 'lil criminals, they don't - but you are not just stealing from them - you are stealing from not-wealthy folks like me, studio owners and employees, mastering houses, CD duping facilities, retail record clerks etc.

There is nothing funny or righteous about taking the food out of children's mouths or stealing rent money, morons.
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TheYank17 says:

First off, let me say that I really did enjoy your picture.
Secondly, let me respond to agitpropster1. What were seeing here is a (non-legal, granted) shift in entertainment paradigm. When trends in entertainment shifts, don't blame the people who follow them. Getting news on the internet has hurt the print newspaper business, but no one claims that its immoral and wrong because online-news readers are taking away the jobs of news print jobs. I really am sorry that you lost your job, but times change. Don't harbor a grudge against people for a shift in culture.
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kfury says:

If folks were OCRing newspapers and offering torrents of their content for free, your analogy would be accurate, but that's not the case. It's not the matter of one group losing their jobs because of a shift of paradigm either. It's about content creators losing compensation for their ongoing work because people choose to take it without paying for it. I hope you can appreciate the difference.

It doesn't matter whether they're taking it by copying cassettes and distributing them by the thousands, or opening up a torrent. Presenting this denial of income as being tied to a shift in media or transport is a false correlation.
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TheYank17 says:

Its creating a market in a process akin to libraries, people are exposed to a wider variety of music, increasing their total music appreciation / bands they like, leading to an increase in concert tickets and merchandise, where most bands actually make money. If you tried pitching creating a library system now, book sellers would claim that its taking away book sellers power and hurting the book industry, however it creates a culture of literacy and increases the number of books sold. So while downloading does negatively affect jobs, its part of a bigger system, not just selfish kids
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saibotorama says:

kfury, agitpropster1: Governments would charge per-use taxes for public utilities like sidewalks if they could; but the transaction costs of maintaining such a payment infrastructure would be enormous, and the offense to human liberty too great.

In a similar way, the transaction costs and liberty costs of the kind of monitoring of the internet, much less personal friendship swapping, required to enforce digital copyright in such a way as to absolutely prohibit it would be enormous. Trying to fight the tide is a battle you'll lose, no matter how unfair it is if your castles are inundated.

I buy my mp3s from Amazon and avoid liberty-restricting DRM, but I also view the cost of digital content which is significantly above its marginal cost as being pretty immoral. Ideally, information is available to everyone, since it costs almost nothing to copy - i.e. scaling is free, when clients pay for their own net connection. Whatever price is required to keep on producing great information is the appropriate price, but after amortizing over accessibility to everyone, the price should be low to the consumer - far less than a dollar a track, in the case of music.
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alex4point0 says:

I used to hardly ever spend money on music
like one or two albums a year, tops
went to a few gigs, bought the tshirt
then video games happened and i went holy fuck this shit is awesome
diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, man
nobody ever talks about the video game industry screwing the music industry and the film industry for everyone's spare bux
except when it's to draw parallels between software, music and film piracy (usually in regard to hyperinflated 'cost' estimates)
but the kids sho' love their computarrs so let's sink the boot while we can
i only had so much pocket money in the first place, man ...
and sony BMG warner geffen what? they deserve how much money for 'discovering' artists and bringing us their music? tell me again how much the artist gets per album sale? and what a noble industry it is too ...www.amazon.com/Hit-Men-Brokers-Inside-Busines s/dp/0679730...
(if you can, read the essay at the back of 'The Letter U and the Numeral 2 ... ahh, here it is ... www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=23 ) remember, when you listen to music, you're copying it into your brain! The only solution is to either erase your memory with MKULTRA LSD or E after you've listened to a CD, or destroy your hearing with that ipod! ... okay, now what? Oh, louder? "I SAID OKAY, NOW WHAT?")
...zzz
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shalev.ethan says:

@agitpropster1, it's iTunes - not The Pirate Bay, that killed the CD store.
So sure, seeding MP3s may be immoral, but what got you out of a job was the fact you were creating a physical packaging for non-physical property.
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automaton_be says:

If the record industry had gotten their act together back in the nineties and had realised the potential of near-costless digital distribution , nobody in the music business would be in this mess. Don't blame consumers for the incompetence of the record industry.
Only now, after a decade of p2p networks, is a wide selection of non-DRM-crippled digital music becoming available for legal purchase online. Much of the damage has been done, people are now *expecting* music to be free. For many many years, people who wanted to own their music digitally in a legal way, had to go down to the record store, buy a cd and rip it. If the cd wasn't 'protected', that is. It's no surprise that illegal file sharing boomed, the record industry actively made sure there was no other way to get their content online than illegally (and, incidentally, free).
Technology gave us the ability to record music and sell the recordings. Now technology enables us to make an infinite number of high-quality copies of the same music for free. We've had about, what, eighty years of being able to sell recorded music. This will hardly be the end of music, perhaps of the music business. But that's not exclusively a bad thing.
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