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Morning in America

Morning in America by cjdavis.
From the photograher, Dean Shaddock:
This was captured as I collected my things from airport security (Detroit Metro Concourse A). I think of it as something like a Rorschach test. Is an elderly Catholic nun being frisked by a Muslim security agent the celebration of blind justice? Or is it simply an admission of absurdity? 

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drewzhrodague says:

Wow. Quite bizarre.

Did they give you any trouble for taking pictures in the airport? I get harassed just taking pictures around my neighborhood.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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rak  Pro User  says:

Well, considering the large Muslim population in nearby Dearborn, a TSA agent in an al-amira (at least, it looks like one) is probably a pretty common occurrence.

What this picture is missing, of course, is a Lubavitcher.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Gonzobee  Pro User  says:

Now that's service. The last time my zipper was down this girl was very helpful as well.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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xartle says:

I've got a similar one, but it is hard to tell the guy in black is a priest...
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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oztenphoto  Pro User  says:

That is the most beautiful photo of America I have seen in 2007. This is America. This is the TSA.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Hello Kutty  Pro User  says:

America, Land of The Free, of Liberty, and Diversity
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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ed.tapanes says:

Excellent capture. Now we need a pic of this same muslim woman frisking a US soldier...
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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subvertia says:

Very interesting indeed. This photograph helps me believe these searches are random.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Silent K  Pro User  says:

This is an incredible moment-capture. Well done.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Mark Demeny  Pro User  says:

Jeff Wall couldn't have framed this any better with all the setup time in the world. The religious juxtaposition, the bored onlooker, and of course, the US flag... it poses all the right questions. In short, it's a perfect capture of the zeitgeist of the last few years.

I'm halfway between deciding the cameraphone adds to the voyeuristic and 'surveillance' aspect of the pic, and wishing it was shot with a good camera and blown up huge on a museum wall for all to see.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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silverbelly  Pro User  says:

now that is something you don't see everyday...
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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WVHillbilly says:

Perhaps the TSA agent is planting a bomb on the nun.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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jbl26 says:

She's frisking a woman dressed as a nun. If you could bypass security by dressing as a nun, a priest, a Hassidic Jew, or a pilot, don't you think those with bad intentions would just hit the costume shop?
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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lashiecomni says:

Blind justice. What's the issue?
I mean, that big thing is pretty easy to conceal something under.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Andrew_N  Pro User  says:

Definitely the absurd.

If you are wondering about the huge number of views you made "Boing Boing".

www.boingboing.net/2007/09/21/interesting-air port.html
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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ibitmylip  Pro User  says:

the flag really seals the deal for me.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Nils Jorgensen  Pro User  says:

Quite a pic. Seen on www.boingboing.net/
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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skyzophrenyk says:

LOL, how is that absurd? An elderly white woman wearing a nun costume couldn't possibly be carrying explosives or weapons on her person or be pretending to be a nun? Don't kid yourself, there's lots of non-muslim terrorists. They should frisk everyone; its an airport, not your house, learn to live with it or buy your own airline.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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suprnot says:

How can you tell the frisker is Muslim? Because of her skin colour?
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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mactoll1 says:

A better capture would have been the nun frisking the muslim...
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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jamiegrove  Pro User  says:

[suprnot] Because she is wearing a hijab.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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wwejason says:

Uh, why in the hell is there some muslim in charge of AIRPORT SECURITY? WTF?!?!?!?!?!?! Not in my airport!
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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FreeTube says:

What's so odd about it? Are we to believe that it's Muslims who should only be screened or is the interesting part the fact that a nun is getting frisked? ughh..I'm not going to touch that one..
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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gleemie  Pro User  says:

tim mcveigh wasn't a muslim. and those habits have lots of room to hide stuff!
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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2shan  Pro User  says:

I dont see whats wrong with it. She's working for the airport and ensuring that your safety is maintained. We cant just go "oh, your a nun, please go straight through... ", regardless of religon, race or ethnic background you should be searched. If she wasnt wearing the head-garment would you be so surprised about this?

And for the record, I'm a Christian living in Australia so maybe I'm not seeing it right.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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opalcomp says:

The original post did not seem to imply there was anything wrong, only that different people might react in different ways. And I agree that justice needs to be totally blind and equal. That is why our country has relative peace - all are, at least in principle and by law, treated equally, no one is assumed to be superior. As others said, the woman's (nun's) age is irrelevant, and so is her costume which is not guaranteed to be a genuine proof of religious peacefulness and tolerance. If there were issues of modesty or safety due to the size and nature of the nun's clothing, I presume such a search would be done in a more private location in the airport, to respect both the individual's dignity as well as the need for a proper safety check.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Mark Gjøl  Pro User  says:

Wow... Most racist comments section EVER! "Ohmygod a muslim security guard is frisking a nun! And everyone knows that nuns never do anything wrong and all muslims are terrorists!"

This is PERFECTLY normal! I don't see ANYTHING wrong with this picture. Just another security guard padding down another traveler. Get a grip... Please!
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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hildigunnur  Pro User  says:

Agree with the above. What horrible comments!
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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~Twon~  Pro User  says:

Glad I live in a blue state... to me this is just a picture of a woman getting frisked at the airport. Its a funny coincidence and a great picture, but signifies nothing more to me. Yay diversity.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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slackerluddite says:

is she really a nun? Is she really Muslim?
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damawa42 says:

How do you know she's Muslim? Just because she "looks" asian/middle eastern/whatever doesn't mean she practices the religion "associated" with her "country"...

Also, the girl sitting down in the pic is a HOTTY, more of her!
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

Slacker3Blog [deleted] says:

It doesnt seems clear to me either that shes wearing a hijab.

Still a powerfull picture.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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bdmp says:

It reminds me of a picture I saw on the cover of the New York Times a couple years ago. It was a casket of a solider killed in Iraq, carried by soilders, but theret were Buddhist monks dressed in orange robes. It was striking.

This is the same event but a different photo. The effect for me is the same.
http://www.corpsstories.com/inmemoriam-Galler y03.htm


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rick_hunter says:

"Wow... Most racist comments section EVER!"

Huh? What's racist? FYI Muslim is NOT a race.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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jetfixer27 says:

It's called Reality.

Fact: The Girl resembles 99% of airplane hijackers.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1578183. stm

Fact: The Nun resembles the people who show up after the hijacking, to pray for those lost.
www.cardinalrating.com/cardinal_28__article_1 583.htm

Yes this is stereotyping. Yes the nun could have explosives underthere. Yes the TSA agent could be catholic her self.
Probability: doubt it.

Ultra Tolerance is destroying America.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Pixel Nurse  Pro User  says:

The race or religion of the security person is irrelevant.

Random searches when going through security are the best way to ensure that the risk in trying to bomb a plane is too high.

If you excepted anyone from that it wouldn't be random.

So for me this photo is of a working and effective security checkpoint in an American airport, nothing more, nothing less.

p.s. In response to the post above, I can only presume that by 'Ultra Tolerance' they mean not being allowed to impose their own views and morals on everyone else. It doesn't matter how many links you paste, even the devil can cite scripture for his own purpose.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Dark_Devil86 says:

LOL That security agent is my new hero :P

Am I wrong or didn't OBL say his next wave of attacks are going to be carried out by good old white folks?
so yea, search the nun, the priest, and the monk while your at it.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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halogenic says:

It makes sense to check everyone regardless of costume. Otherwise terrorists could simply dress up as nuns and pass unchecked.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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runamok  Pro User  says:

The point is not that what we see is right or wrong. The point is that it polarizes people. It's a hard thing to not have some kind of opinion on. Personally, I think frisking any middle aged people is sort of foolish regardless of race, etc. I mean racial profiling is a hotly contested subject but if the vast percentage of airplane hijacking is done by a certain age/race/sex isn't it foolish to not check them in greater percentages also. Not to the total exclusion of others but still.

Even excluding the fact the the woman is a nun, how many elderly women of any race/religion have been much problem on an airplane?

It's time for everyone to become a little more introspective and wonder why you hold the opinions you do. Everyone is so certain that everyone else is stupid and wrong, racist and evil who hold a different viewpoint.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Frobes  Pro User  says:

45359 hits so far - cool ;-)
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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agmakosz says:

I agree with those who say there is nothing abnormal about this at all. Such is the nature of the law that a head wrap and a habit should not make a difference. If anything this pic is a testament to the law being at least a little blind, and in that it's a positive.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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pak152  Pro User  says:

sorry but random searches do not prevent suicide attacks. what you want to do is called behaviour profiling (and no it is not racial profiling). The Israelis do behaviour profiling for all flights leaving Israel. Hasn't been a hijacking in quite some time.
Behaviour profiling has been used successful to identify drug smugglers and other criminals.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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Jami Dwyer  Pro User  says:

jetfixer, why would you put your baby's picture next to your bigoted comments? you go ahead and see a hijab and think "terrorist." a lot of slack-jawed yokel americans still do. but don't associate your poor little daughter with that at such a young age. by the time she's old enough to write flickr comments for herself, racism like yours will be utterly unacceptable in polite society. it's tolerance of people like you that's wrecking america.

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Laserone ☆ Lauren  Pro User  says:

Geez o' petes! I'm surprised you weren't attacked by security after taking the pic. Great catch.

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Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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ofthepigs says:

This is a good photo depicting the very trying times that have overtaken the nation. It should be seen in that light for it to have the proper impact.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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WhoDreamsof65  Pro User  says:

Sorry for not trusting the followers of the most intolerant RELIGION on the face of the planet and in the 21st century.

BTW - Anyone can be a MUSLIM it's not a RACE. I am against a intolerant dangerous religious cult.

This Amerian Muslim women is free to chance her religion in our country, in Saudi Arabia she is property who could be killed for leaving Islam.

Do you people not understand that ISLAM means submission?

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

Ishaq:324 "He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

Qur'an 5:17 "Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.'"

Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."

Go to your local library, read the koran.
Knowledge is power.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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leingangzj  Pro User  says:

I don't see anything wrong or offensive here, we have all seen sister act, and read news stories of individuals pretending to be nuns, and or priests. and i'm sure the nun has no problem with being frisked, just like if there was a monk or rabbi behind her they might be frisked as well. i can feel a little less pissed about all the times i've been "randomly selected" for additional screenings knowing that it's being done across the board....
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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WhoDreamsof65  Pro User  says:

I don't see anything wrong or offensive here either.
I just think it's ironic that a Muslim is frisking a Christian for weapons..when we all know it's the Muslims who have the biggest group of terrorists killing people in the name of their religion in the world today; with no real condemnation coming from American Muslims except for all the whining about discrimination from groups like CAIR.

Don't believe me look here,
www.thereligionofpeace.com

Really.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

Mister Piglet , tasty yet cute. [deleted] says:

It's the wussies of the world who cry foul in favor of the enemy that bring the enemy deeper into the home camp. Read Ayezheni above for advice. We never let the foxes guard the henhouse..unless we want to lose the whole brood, then the livelihood and presently the life.
The average Muslim would not think twice about killing the infidel , Islam means submission , if you don't get this , you are a fool.

The picture is photo journalism at its very best. brilliant.
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Pixel Nurse  Pro User  says:

Ayazheni, in my country more people have been killed by Christian terrorists than by Muslim terrorists, they were called the IRA, they were Irish, they were Catholic, but I don't see you boycotting the green cupcakes in Walmart on St. Patrick's day, and nor should you.

You do a great job of quoting lots of unsavory parts of the Qu'ran, but how about showing some balance and doing the same for the Old Testament / Torah? There's plenty of mindless hate, bigotry and incitement to murder in there too.

The majority of all Muslims, like Christians, are pretty moderate people. I'm as frightened of the influence of right wing Christians in the US as I am of Iran. Both represent the death of reason, both demand that we should have faith instead of thought, both would send humanity back 500 years.

In the same way that most Christians do not adhere to every last crazy word of the Bible, nor do most Muslims to the Qu'ran. To paint all Muslims as fundamentalists in the way the commenters above do is plainly inaccurate, so inaccurate that it betrays a bias on their part that is disturbing and far from rational and objective.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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desertdweller2006 says:

I'd point out that this is a picture of an elderly woman dressed in an outfit that appears to be a Roman Catholic religious sister's habit. We *assume* she is a sister based on the clothing. Right? Security folks should *not* make assumptions.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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lvgraham  Pro User  says:

I'm all for sterotyping. My brother recently saw a frail, elderly gentleman trying to stand on one leg while they scanned his soles -- he nearly fell down. This has gotten ridiculous. Travelling is such a hassle these days. I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Australia's Prime Minister. And BTW, I agree with everything Mr. Pixel Nurse said. I fear for the growing tide of fascism, coupled with ultra-apologetic bleeding hearts -- pulling that pendulum in both directions will cause something bad to happen. If common sense doesn't prevail, we are going to have something really ugly on our hands in the next 10 years.
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lvgraham  Pro User  says:

BTW: I am a Catholic and I find this image very annoying. It is an excellent journalistic photograph. Look at all the controversy it has stirred up on Flickr? Awesome.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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danlps1 says:

Pixel Nurse:

You relate the religions as equal. Both are capable of violence, any organization is. However in this world at this time, the vast majority of terrorism is perpetuated by muslims. So it's just a matter of logical thought, being a realist, and possessing rudimentary math skills to understand.

As to the IRA somehow comparing to what the world faces, do the math, and I don't recall them stoning, beheading, beating because of the "wrong manner of dress", nor beheading for not praying the proper number of times per day. Such is the behavior of a cult. Like it or not, that is what we are forced to deal with. Become a muslim, then change your religion, you might be killed, become a member of another religious organization, usually no problem if you want to change.

I will also tell you, that islam functions as a complete map to life, not just a religion. It is a political system, something that has been pointed out as a reason that they don't want democracy. Muslims said this not my word. Yet you and others so politically correct insist it only a religion, not the case.

Muslim leader waged war in his life. The Christian leader was a carpenter. You may wish to educate yourself, or remain insulated in your politically correct cocoon, safe from the knowledge, of an organization of about 1.3 billion, of which about 20% favor the actions of a cult of death. That's about 260 mil, in case you can't do the math.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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worldholdon says:

Wow ffreddzeplin! Replace "Muslims" with "Christians" in your statement and you sound just like Osama bin Laden.
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worldholdon says:

And danlps1: you're right. Musliims are the violent ones. Christians haven't caused any deaths or violence at all, through unprovoked wars, terrorism, etc.. That is, of course, if you ignore Hitler, Mussolini, Timothy McVeigh, the IRA, George W. Bush, abortion clinic bombers, etc. THEN, I suggest you do the math.

Just because the media doesn't call them "Christian terrorists" does not mean that they are not.

The point is that the vast majority of Muslims, like the vast majority of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists, etc., condemn violence. And it is your misinterpretation of their religion that causes you to believe otherwise.
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badlogik says:

Very nice picture and great caption.
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danlps1 says:

Worldholdon,

I also mentioned cult like behavior, and the consequences of leaving one organization versus another which you did not address. Perhaps you don't have a very good answer?

I mentioned present day, as far as a mathematical comparison of terrorism. Islam has the vast lead in this category.

We could go back to the crusades, and start adding, what's the point? Can we even get accurate? History can teach. Present day is where we are, and we can deal with reality or try to sugar coat it. I don't like sugar coating, and I can pretty well interpret a cult when I see it.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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worldholdon says:

danlps1:

If you want to talk about the present day, the unprovoked attack on Iraq (no connection with 9/11, no WMD, etc) is the most glaring example of terrorism today. I guess tens, maybe 100's of thousands of Iraqi deaths (source: iraqbodycount.org). So, be fair with your math, please!

Cult behavior? The vast majority of Muslims don't believe in unprovoked violence. The consequences of leaving Islam as stated by you are a very narrow interpretation, not shared by many.

So, please stop ignoring history.

And while you're at it, please stop ignoring the present day as well.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

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danlps1 says:

Worldholdon,

I said there is a greater number of terrorists associated with islam. We can talk of attacks in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Scotland, Thailand, Russia, US, Britain,Spain, Philippines,Pakistan,Israel,Iraq, Africa (Ethiopia-Somolia), Yemen, Serbia, Lebanon, India, Chechnya & others. Other actions prior to 9-11. There is a common thread in those above, islam involved. Iran & other's wish to destroy Israel, and to establish a caliphate.

As to Iraq, 9-11 came first, I did not favor the Iraq war.. Iraq is one country, and I haven't heard of US soldiers committing suicide bombings on civilians.

Yes cult behavior is indicated by required dress, beatings for miss-behavior, honor killings, treatment of women, suicide bombings. As to vast majority, it depends on the country. I've seen about 10 to 30% radicalized. Who knows for sure. We do know that most suicide bombers today are muslim.

I'm not ignoring history, it's not especially important to present daily life, but it can teach. Present day, take a look at all those countries who've suffered from the organization you are so eager to defend. When I see one organization involved in so much violence, then it is logical to assume that organization is violent.
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firmanhadi says:

Hahaha... this is the funniest thing I've came across this week
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ElPocho!  Pro User  says:

Amazing shot.
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worldholdon says:

danlps:

The Iraq war was George W. Bush's act of criminal unprovoked aggression. The use of bombs from high up and machine guns on the ground is no different from suicide bombings when those murdered are innocent people.

Since you chose to introduce mathematics into the equation, you might want to do a recalculation and see how many innocent people have been murdered by George W. Bush's war on Iraq vs. the number of people killed in the all the terrorist attacks you choose to highlight.
I think you will find the former to be a considerably higher number.

If you want to use your methodology to compare the number of terrorists rather than then number of victims, then I submit to you that in your world, there would still be more Christian terrorists, for one would have to label the majority of the U.S. military that is present in Iraq (130,000) plus the civilian contractors (130,000) and every American who voted for George W. Bush's second term (which endorsed his Iraq policy) as terrorists. In fact, why not count every Christian in the world as a terrorist since George W. Bush is one. There are more Christians than Muslims. Therefore, there are more Christian terrorists than Muslim terrorists. All this sounds absurd, but this what you would have to say if you took your logic to its logical conclusion.

And since you want to use mathematics, take the number of people who adhere to a radical Islamic ideology versus the vast number of Muslims who reject it. I think you will find the latter much bigger than the former.

My point is simple: the murderous George W. Bush does not represent all Christians, nor does he represent all white people or all Americans. And the terrorists responsible for 9/11 and other acts of murder do not represent the vast majority of Muslims. You are trying to tar every Muslim with the same prejudiced brush, and that is where your position becomes illogical and untenable.
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mannedspace says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called "Only The Best Are"..InThe Gallery Tag It"onlythebestare", and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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ffredzepplin says:

worldholdon, the death of Muslim children doesn't bother me at all. Nits make lice.
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danlps1 says:

Worldholdon,

I've not tarred all muslims. Simply repeated estimates published of a % of radicalization. Are the majority of them peace loving, yes. Problem is the fundamentalist, cultist, violent attitude. Take say 2% that figures to about 26 mil. We know what 19 of them done on 9-11. Other religions do not pose this type of problem at this time. Once again though in many countries, it's much more than a religion.

Iraq, you work hard to vilify the US. I mentioned numerous other countries, subjected to terrorist attacks. What about say Thailand? Do you worry about getting on a plane with say a Jew, Catholic, or a US citizen?

Wait in line at an airport for security check, why, none other than because of suicidal tendencies of some in the organization you rush to defend, despite the attacks I mentioned in numerous countries. Such has no equal in other organizations, religious or otherwise.

Islam has a problem within itself today, to deny that is utter nonsense.

Want to talk real numbers take a look at Dafur, and the Janjaweed. There is something called genocide.

You change the point of the issue to Iraq constantly rather than simply admit that there is a problem of violence within islam. The US action may have taken place due to oil or fear of suicide bombers getting wmd's, or whatever else. Take your pick, however it was not done to cause them to become say Catholics, Hindu's or otherwise.

We could talk of stoning for adultery, or the fact that the IRA did not export it's violence to numerous other countries. Or compare other numbers.

Here is a good link for you to glance at thereligionofpeace.com/
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schratboy says:

Bizarre!
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worldholdon says:

ffredzepplin:

And I repeat: replace "Muslim" in your statement with "Christian" or "Jewish" and you sound just like Osama bin Laden.
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worldholdon says:

danlps1:

"I've not tarred all muslims. Simply repeated estimates published of a % of radicalization."

My friend, I won't argue that some Muslims are not radicalized -- so are some Christians. But your statements earlier regarding Islam do tar all with the same brush. Similarly, one could argue, say, that while more Muslims are radicalized than are Christians, the radicals Christians have killed more people. Take the example of one truly radical, terrorist Christian: George W. Bush, who is responsible for the deaths tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraq. Then, one could argue that Christians are more murderous than Muslims. One quickly sees the absurdity of this argument.

The problem is with generalizing from the individual or the few (such as George W. Bush, Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, etc.) to the many: to all Christians and Muslims. That is where we will have to agree to disagree.

Peace out.
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danlps1 says:

Worldholdon:

The problem is with the number of countries affected by terrorism. We can leave laden, Bush out of it, I'll even leave Darfur out of it, giving you 2, and only taking one. Darfur - genocide, Iraq - war.

You still have 2 or 3 dozen other countries that have had islamic violence in them to explain away. Other religions and organizations aren't doing this. It's absurd on your part to pretend that there is parity in terrorism.

You also mentioned earlier hitler / nazi Germany. There was the genocide of which we have not mentioned Armenians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I'm not lumping b. laden with scarfed women walking through the mall laughing as they talk adhering to their custom of modesty. I've no problem with them, and can respect that in them.

Enough said I think, we have disagreed enough for now.
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gcb1  Pro User  says:

celebration of blind justice. Period. Move along.
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-pyt- says:

I'm a Muslim woman and i felt really bad about the comments i've seen here. We are all accusing with the crimes of a bunch of stupid terrorists...

I honestly don't believe them when some people say they fight for Allah, there's no such thing in Islam like killing innocent people for Allah. It's the biggest sin to kill people. What Quran says is
"never kill or hurt a human or an animal, if you think that someone is very cruel or you are very angry to someone, then, pray, ask Allah to help you to cope with it. Pray for him/her to be a better person."

Our prophet Muhammad always prayed for the other people, for thieves, for prostitutes, for disbelievers, he prayed for them to find the right way. Never hurt anyone. It's a sin in Islam to hurt people physically or morally if they are Muslim or not.

And i don't believe some of the members said that Muslims hate Jesus and want to kill Christians and somethings like that. We love Jesus. We believe in him too. Actually we believe that Moses, Jesus and Mohammad said the same things but in different centuries. There is only one God that we all believing in, we all praying to him. Prophets only helps people to find the way to our creator. They all says the same things. This is exactly what a real Muslim thinks. The others just sinners, they are really terrorists and honestly we all hate them too same as you.

In the other hand, i want to say how can a airport security system let a woman work with a scarf all around her head??? How can i trust someone looking like that? Maybe it's OK to cover the hair with a scarf which is well-matched with the color and the fabric of her uniform, but it's totally black and i can't see even her face!!! It's forbidden even in my country. You can't work with your head scarf, you have to keep it private. It's too much!

And please don't think that all Muslim women use a head scarf, for example i don't, Muslims are not like the media shows. If i wouldn't be a Muslim and just learn it from the media after 9/11, i would definitely hate them. But please believe me that actually all of the terrorist are sinners, this is exactly what we think as Muslims.

God bless you all.
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dwaynethewolfe says:

No one is seriously challenging the idea that individuals dressed as nuns can be searched. However juxtaposed against a what appears to be Muslim female security guard, the world appears upside down - the picture shows the absurdity of Blue State thinking. It is intellectually disingenuous to ignore the threat that Islamofascists but I'm sure in the safety and sanctity of some liberal cocktail party such naive expressions are roundly applauded for sophisticated civility.

On the other hand if you had to get on a flight where the passengers (including young Arabic looking men) had just been searched by a raghead, would any sane person get on the plane without a single worry?

Now that might be racism, but racism is regrettably a part of life. I try to be invidious in my discrimination, but I still feel the pains to my family on September 11, 2001.
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Nearly-Normal  Pro User  says:

Are you nuts suggesting that an American muslim should not be given a job as a security guard at an airport? Geez guys, she is doing her job. She is an American, not a Muslim fanatic.

And I don't know about you idiots/bigots, but I'd feel a lot safer traveling in a plane if I knew *everyone* had been meted out the exact same treatment by security.

There's nothing wrong with the picture. It's interesting, but that's it. There's no world upside down or anything. Grow up.
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BlueCatArtist  Pro User  says:

*sigh
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danlps1 says:

On old expression states "actions speak louder than words".
In this world, that picture does point to a world turned upside down. Anyone remotely sentient knows that at this time Catholic nuns are not joining the ranks of terrorists. We also know where the majority of terrorists fill their ranks from.

All the kind words, do not change a single spent action.

That stated, searches to be effective must be open minded, and look at myriad possibilities (even one dressed as a nun). Searches should also profile, as survival takes precedence over some ridiculous attempt at political correctness.

As to the guard, she may be great at her job and patriotic to the US. I don't know, but can assume her religious / organization preference. Segments of her organization have declared war on our country. I don't happen to like this, I'm not a bigot but a realist.
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Nearly-Normal  Pro User  says:

danpls, grow up. Nuns and priests are not above the law. Do a google for "priest crime". Anyway, the woman in the security uniform is DOING HER JOB.
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devilsgirl2769 says:

Ok first and foremost. Why are we looking at just one religion when it comes to terrorism. I personally am an Athiest because I believe public religion is what is tearing all the countries apart. Christians are killing people for their god when the bible is strickly against it. So where does that put you christians? I practice my own form of religion in my own home. I believe in mankind and mankind alone. With the knowledge of yourself and your fellow man is the ONLY way the world will ever be at peace. If one day all formal religion was gone I believe all the countries could get a long atleast a little better. We have religions fighting against each other that are practically the same except maybe one was reformed 2 years prior to the other one. There fore the other is going to hell. How can you sit by and believe in a religion that does nothing but make you believe in something you cant see, hear or touch. And then they want you to go out and preach to others and make them believe what you believe and by GOD if they dont want to believe the same as you then LETS KILL THEM ALL!!!! How can you sit back and watch that happen. I dont care what color you are or who you pray to at your weak moments you are no better or worse than anyone else. You are only different. Some day most of the world will believe this and it will be a much MUCH better place to raise our children. I can not believe as living breathing creatures you let someone else put ideas into your head that your only good if you believe a certain way. I dont go against any religion specifically and I dont look down on anyone for what they believe in. But someday when the world learns to open its eyes and see religion for what it really is, there will be no religion. Oh and as for the photograph. If you were going to be on a flight wouldnt you rather have every person that walks onto that plane searched for your safety. Someones child was on that plane that "nun" got on, someones mother.... it doesnt matter who or where. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE!!! And as for the security girl. Why do we even assume that shes muslim? Just because of a skin color and a hair piece? Who cares what or who she is. She is doing her job to make sure that you and thousands maybe even millions of other innocent people dont die for an unjust reason. I believe anyone that sees anything wrong with this picture needs to look at themselves and try to realize that 9/11 made you a little bit racist and its bull crap because ALL muslims arent bad people. Only those who have false information and reasoning put into their head by a disturbed individual or group of individuals are the ones that want to hurt us. You can not judge any person by race, religion or any other thing. We are not all the same just because of what we look like and what we believe in. We are all human and we all bleed red. I know its hard to identify those you should worry about and those that you shouldnt. And thats a good thing because in the world the way it is today its almost down to the point where you can trust no one. Some one you have known for years could have been lying or playing a character to show a good person. No one suspected the people that crashed the planes on 9/11. We trained them to fly. We didnt believe that they would do anything because they were trained to put on an act and let NO ONE know who they really were. So, I dont care who you are or what you have to say about my comment. The world is in a bad place and we all have to be more careful and if it means searching every nun, rabbi, priest, monk, minister, and choir boy that gets onto an airplane then so be it. I want a safe place to raise my babies, I dont know about you.
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devilsgirl2769 says:

You also know that we are not even fighting the right people! We are in iraq because of saddam. He didnt do 9/11 Iraq had nothing to do with it! It was Afganistan and al quede and osama bin laden. You people are mostly all crazy and only see what you want to see. You realize that Bush killed more of our OWN people, innocent people that were sons, daughters, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, to people that you may walk past on the street each and every day. He sent those poor people over to find Weapons of mass distruction that NEVER existed. We cant find a single hint that they were ever there. Dont get me wrong. Im glad that Saddam is no longer free to kill and torture as he had in the past. But why are we still there? Why are thousands upon thousands of American soilders dying to fight a fight that wasnt even ours to begin with? Why do we follow a president in a fight that he started because he is a A DUMB***!!!!! He has killed more people then the terrorist of 9/11 did!! How can you follow him. I support our troops but i dont support our ignorant president. I believe the true healing of this country can not and will not begin with BUSH still in office. And for those of you who voted him in for a second term..... you feel like a dumb*** right a long with him now I hope! He put us in debt, hes killing our friends and family and for nothing hes not even smart enough to fight the right people!!! Come on! Seriously now people and people try to say that the U.S. is one of the top countries. HAHA, thats flippin funny because right now to anyone and everyone outside the US we look the the dumbest group of people ever to set eyes on the sun! Jesus people open your eyes and see whats going on around you in our own country!!! Why you worry so hard about what goes on out there when a lot of the problems could be fixed if we would work on the relations inside the united states first before we worry about those outside!!!!!! Im only 21 years old and I have realized this already... and Im supposedly a bad person because I have piercings and tattoos and im an Athiest. Im a better person then the president for pete sake so stop judging, open your eyes, better yourself before trying to better others. And lets make a smart decision in '08. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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devilsgirl2769 says:

One last thing my friends. Before you start your hate comments against my comment please visit this website. www.infidels.org. It is an athiest website. I will not lie to you. They bash religion quite a bit. But if you would bother yourself for a few minutes of knowlegde. you dont have to read it all just read the ones that stand out. It really makes a lot of sense and the qoutes on there are made by a lot of very famous and well-regarded people. Ghandi, Einstein, and many others! Please read. Thankz
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danlps1 says:

Cyber,

I mentioned before that security has to look at many possibilities even attire of a nun, may need to be looked at.

As to "priest crime", I'm aware of the publicity on them, although I don't recall any of them going for another 9-11, nor committing such an attack. As to airport security that is occurring primarily because of the actions of one group, not priests.

The woman is doing her job yes. She is also probably a member of the group I mentioned above.

I'd suggest you wake up.
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msiaka says:

Hi! I'd like 2 respond 2 Ayazheni when he says the following :

Ayazheni says:

Sorry for not trusting the followers of the most intolerant RELIGION on the face of the planet and in the 21st century.

BTW - Anyone can be a MUSLIM it's not a RACE. I am against a intolerant dangerous religious cult.

This Amerian Muslim women is free to chance her religion in our country, in Saudi Arabia she is property who could be killed for leaving Islam.

Do you people not understand that ISLAM means submission?

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
and i respond:

any person with a bit of commonsense would make out that there must be something between the verse 9:5 and 9:29 that throws more light on the above verses when God says 2 kill all infidels, etc etc.

Those verses appear in the holy Koran when God talks of the 'Battle of Badr' the first war the muslims fought. Here it should be said that these verses where said in the CONTEXT (meaning : The set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event ) of war (the battle of badr), which was fought against the infidels, u get that? the lord did not ask us 2 kill disbelievers in the normal life at all, it was said or revealed during the battle, thats all, is that a wrong thing? Islam is a religion of peace, Our Prophet asked us 2 respect all religions, castes, and even their beliefs, RESPECT is the key word here. Not Believe. Please go ahead and read the holy Koran translated by Mr. Mohammed Pickthall and i promise that you will get the real picture.

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

and i respond : It was said againt the jews when they spied against the muslims.

Ishaq:324 "He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

and i respond : Allah does no have any rivals. He is the Lord, Only Lord, he has no real enemies, we need him, he does NOT need us and our prayers. He's the ONE, the ONLY ONE. no sun god, no moon god..just the ONE. Understand the purity of that sentence, perfectly logical, there can be one god, not many. Only One POWER.

Qur'an 5:17 "Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.'"

and i respond : Prophet Jesus is just that, One of the most important prophets of Muslims, he's called Hadrath Isaa-Alihisalam, peace be upon him.

Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."

and i respond : again in the context of war. Prophet Moses is called as Moosa-alaihi salam, peace be upon him, one of the most important prophets of all times.

Go to your local library, read the koran.
Knowledge is power.

and i reply : yeah ! pls do, read it CAREFULLY.
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ibitmylip  Pro User  says:

I just liked the picture - the composition, the symbols, the lines of the brushed steel + black seats.
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bamapachyderm says:

"An admission of absurdity," indeed.
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gossamermarch says:

How do you now the security worker is a Muslim? Because she's "brown?" Paranoid? Don't be such a pussy.
Posted 22 months ago. ( permalink )

r sassy [deleted] says:

That is the most disgusting image - unless of course she is kissing the nun's feet - which would actually be appropriate. As long as Muslims are permitted to act as security, there is no security.

And for the whining liberals who want to pull their race card routine, it's boring, tiresome and dangerous. Muslims are not a race but, they are the enemy.
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mikej_steinberg  Pro User  says:

Yeah, the IRA hijacked so many planes in America - no wait, they didn't. What makes sense in terms of passenger profiling in Ireland may be a little bit different from what makes sense in Detroit. All that said, it is not just the religio-political background (and Islam is a religious/political movement, not a race) of the persons to be searched, it is also the gender and age. Elderly women of ANY background are among the least likely to be terrorists. While security should not exclude any one group entirely, it does make sense to focus efforts on the demographic that produces the vast majority of the malefactors (young, male, Muslim). Granted the last of those three characteristics is not always visually apparent, but sometimes it is and other times it can be discerned through conversation or passport stamps. In the absence of those clues it still makes to focus on young males if nothing else (and this will likely cost me more searches, but it's worth it).
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ariesarsenal says:

I work with The Voice magazine, www.thevoicemagazine.com. And I would like to use this photo in our magazine.

If there is no problem could you e-mail me permission to use this picture at danny.landolfi@gmail.com

thank you in advanced.
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enspec says:

Ayazheni,

My primitive-intellect and judgmental friend. Never give a conclusion without proper research. What you have stated is what hate mongers say and thats it. I’m sending you a Link. Do read it for your own sake.

ps:

in case you’re wondering that I’m threatening to trace and kill you with an explosive jacket fastened around my chest, then I would say no, you’re suffering from paranoia. Read it for the sake of your non-phobic remnant space in your mind which hasn’t been touched by hate.
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Ei Katsumata says:

Perhaps the nun is being searched because the metal detector went off.
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ibitmylip  Pro User  says:

Yeah, maybe her rosary set it off. Or her chastity belt.
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david55king  Pro User  says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Employment - People at Work, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.
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PittsburghRic  Pro User  says:

Wow, ain't that something.
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hvillehermit says:

I am a Sister and I am always frisked when I go through airport security. I guess they are afraid I am hiding something under my veil or in the folds of my habit. By this time I am used to it, but it does tend to upset the general public to see a habited Sister being frisked.
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c_johnston617 says:

Ok, for all of you naive traveler's... regardless of religion, race, ethncity etc.... if you would pay attention to the other elements of the picture: WHEELCHAIR, and the girl sitting down works for Prospect; a company Northwest airlines and other airlines pay for so that passengers can be escorted to their gates. This woman DID NOT walk through the metal detector, therefore protocol states that the passenger must undergo a full body pat down. The muslim girl is simply doing her job. Now would any of you be saying anything if it were a white woman? The reason now that Sisters are patted down or ANYONE with bulky clothing is for common sense reasons: How do you expect someone to view the contour of your body? Regardless of what you do and how you live, EVERYONE is treated the same while going through security... You tell me what does a terrorist look like?
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Sum Guy In Detroit says:

If there is one thing about America that does make us better than any other country on this whole darn globe it is our diversity. The variety of cultures that share the U.S.A. and how we have been able to not only coexist, but celebrate our differences makes us great. In the land of the free and the home of the brave we do not fight and kill each other over our different religious beliefs, we work side by side with each other. These are the roots of our nation! Read the writing on the Statue of Liberty! What is an American but someone who’s family at some point in history, whether recently or long ago, packed it up and moved here for the chance at a better life? Other than the Native Americans, that is just the fact!

For all the bigots out there, keep in mind that there are thousands of Muslim and non Muslim Arabs in the United States of America who HATE terrorism and LOVE America. They are laborers, teachers, soldiers, doctors, business owners, scientist, entrepreneurs, etc. Based on more than half the comments I see here, I would rather work with, fight with, and die (Yes, I am a soldier) with a Muslim American than put any faith or trust in a white person who somehow thinks that they have a bigger right to citizenship than someone else.

What does this picture mean? People of several races and religions have equal opportunity jobs in various government agencies including the TSA. Since everyone is treated equally at our nation’s airports, a nun has to get screened too. The fact that this picture strikes you with any kind of "wow" factor proves once again that there are still bigots that propagate their ideology in our country and mindless zombies that absorb it.
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