Criminalizing Photographers?

Call the Ghostbusters

this warrants more of a response than the other ---->

Yeah, someone could run face-first into it and get seriously hurt. Obvious safety hazard.

another tragic varilite laser related photographer vaporization incident.

ahahhhaha :D

Explore #307 - March 18th, 2009.
Vancouver, Canada

"Report the suspicious. Not the strange."

While I expected to see the ads implying that photographers are criminals in the UK, I did not expect to see them in my home city.

I am not impressed.

EDIT: Jhenifer from Translink's Buzzer Blog responds to our concerns about this new ad campaign here.

I'm still quite unhappy with Translink, but I appreciate her taking the time to respond to our concerns. Even if it was a brush-off.

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Comments

apeman.org says:

This is stunningly stupid. Shame on the VPD for putting out this ad, and Translink for running it.

PHOTOGRAPHY IS NOT A CRIME!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

donnaidh_sidhe says:

Oh, GROSS. And I thought that we could escape this idiocy.

You know, if someone really were conducting surveillance on a location for the purpose of illegal activity, it seems to me it would be with something less obvious than a highly visible SLR.

...like, for instance, a cameraphone ;). Which is ubiquitous, disguised as something else, and is becoming higher in quality as time goes by and technology improves.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Airchinapilot says:

This has GOT to get a response from us. I photograph from the Skytrain, from buses, from Skytrain platforms all the time.

And you know what? I've received very little guff from the police or Skytrain people. But now I look forward to being 'reported' by everyone else. Greeaaatt...
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Kyler Storm says:

Oh no!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

camera_bug says:

Maybe our next meet should be one of the skytrain platform...mmm the waterfront, granville, or stadium station???
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

apeman.org says:

I'm up for a strobist skytrain shoot. Everybody should wear a hoodie, and try to "look suspicious".
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Cthulhu Fundie says:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin

We are certainly not our neighbours to the south, but this quote is most definitely appropriate for us too.

I’m not a lawyer but see ambientlight.ca/laws.php for a (hopefully accurate) summary of Canadian laws RE: photography.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

ph-pictures says:

Thoroughly P155ED 0FF with this!

I'm originally from the UK and grew up during the height of the terrorism troubles in the 70's and 80's. I approve and fully support campaigns that heighten awareness of suspicious activity.

However,this approach is...
- naive
- incorrectly targeted (look for unattended bags/packages!!)

All the Vancouver based photo groups on Flickr/Meetup/Yahoo/Facebook must be contacted and a FlashMob/Critical Mass type event co-ordinated.

SUNDAY 29th ANYONE?
SKYTRAIN 'PHOTO-OP' RIDE
GRANVILLE STN TO METROTOWN AND BACK

Don't email complaints to the authorities! Phone them, or better still try direct contact gets attention - I know, I work for a municipality and a personal visit to our front desk will get a speedier response.

BTW: Who's the ad agency and photographer that created this?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

pauluminous says:

That's too funny.
Maybe file a law suite against them for falsely Offender profiling any one with a photo camera.
The fact they try to convey that someone with a massive SLR taking photos of CCTVs in the most "out-in-the-open" way is suspicious rather than maybe a bit strange is just so sad it just becomes freakin hilarious.

BTW a "get together" might be better held during business hours and starting/ending in the lobby of Translink headquarters.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

TrueBeauty.ca says:

Yeah, I wonder who the 'shit for brains' was it that came up with this? In these paranoid times almost anything goes in the name of 'Public Security'.

Like ph-pictures I'd be curious to see who the ad agency was and in particular which of our brethern crossed the line?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

John Heil says:

oh wow, that is so ridiculous!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

abailward says:

Amazing.... I really thought we were safe up here from the sort of insane paranoia that you hear about from south of the border.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Crown Photography says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Photographie and Fotografia, and we'd love to have this added to the group!

Glad I don't live there.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

steveluscher says:

@abailward – Nevermind the United States; the situation is becoming critical in the UK.

Anyway – the official Translink response makes me feel as though we can chalk this one up to poor judgement on the part of the marketers instead of malice on the part of the Police.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

donnaidh_sidhe says:

@steveluscher: do you have a link to Translink's response handy?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

donnaidh_sidhe says:

Cool beans. Thanks. :)
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

seanorr says:

Oh man this is so going on the Morning Brew. I guess the VPD had to spend their exorbitant 2010 security costs somewhere. STOKE PARANOIA
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

»otto o'brien says:

It is wholly irrelevant that the marketing department had no intention of criminalizing photography as that is now the outcome of what they chose to produce. This should've been better researched. One can easily find many examples of photographers now being interrogated and vilified in the UK as a result of the Met's similar advertising campaign. Google it. The only appropriate response is to pull the ads as you are effectively criminalizing photography, which is not a crime.

Also, there is NOTHING suspicious about taking a photo of a security camera as depicted above yet declared suspicious in the body text.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

catullusodi says:

FYI, the crest at the bottom is for GVTAPS (Transit police) not the VPD (a couple people above were implying the advertisement had something to do with the VPD).
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

northernphoto says:

Oh this is horrible. . . what the hell is going on with Translink. . . . What we can't take pictures of Skytrain anymore ?

Or will we get tasered?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

artievan says:

I agree that Translink's explanation is completely irrelevant. They are showing a photographer in the same light as a suspcious package and an obvious criminal. While the general public may not photograph something non-scenic, such as a security camera, it is something that a photographer would. The person is also shown carrying a camera bag, which is exactly what I carry when I shoot. The person in the photograph is essentially everyone who is commenting on this posting. The stupid thing is that if someone wanted to scope out the place as a target they would probably make a sketch and take measurements. Why would they photograph an undisguised secuity camera with no reference points to the location? What has happened here is that Translink and the security world have overreacted and not thought this out properly. The ad should be pulled and I encourage everyone to write to them with your concerns.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

coaxeus says:

completely absurd. I fully intend to specifically use my big SLR and biggest lens now anytime I'm near anything translink related. I can't wait for the terrorist activity reports to start coming in and for their time to be wasted because a person is taking photos.

Down with common sense! up with paranoia and fear!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

nofutureface says:

I agree with everyone also. The explanation given by the buzzer blog is useless, the damage has already been done with the ads.

The fact is they have a regular looking person with a camera bag and camera snapping a photo and calling it suspect. They have been criminalizing photography all over the world in the last year and it is part of a bigger problem.

With the powers the be looting and pillaging the planet, protests are popping up all over the globe and documenting dissent and unruly police actions are being put to a stop by criminalizing the photographer.

Regardless of Translinks comments, we will all be targeted by transit staff and police regardless of where we are doing during the Olympics when we have a camera in our hands.

Why would anyone believe what Translink has to say on this matter? They never have been and will never be for the people. They are liars and money grabbers. Nuff said.....

I think northernphoto has it right, expect to be tased. They warned us of that last year didnt they.....?!
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

seanorr says:

www.beyondrobson.com/news/2009/03/morning_bre w_because_if...
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

designclassic says:

Ugh. This is fucking ridiculous.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

michaelspotts says:

I wrote an article about this. Thanks.

focusfirst.blogspot.com/2009/03/report-suspic ious-photogr...
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

BuckyHermit says:

The SkyTrain gets thousands of photo-takers on board and in its stations every month. I believe they are often called "tourists." If you see "tourists," please report them to the nearest police officer so they can be tasered accordingly, thus protecting the security of our prosperous nation. Thank you.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

datek24 says:

The dude in the ad is taking a close up shot of the camera. If he was a bad guy, he'd be interested more of it's location and field-of-view, wouldn't he? These things could be written down with a paper and a pen too.

I'm thinking this whole prevent photography, prevent attacks -idea came from some overzealous security "expert" and is complete urban legend. I mean, where's the proof that photography is somehow the essential ingredient to terrorist attacks?
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

thompson_merlin says:

Well you people know nothing about security so I think it makes you look bad to be writing comments like that. I would be very worried if I saw someone taking a picture of a security camera, I think common sense prevails here.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Happy Tinfoil Cat says:

@thompson_merlin Yes, because.....ah what, terrorists don't know security cameras exist? Or they do but don't know transit hubs have bunches of them? WTF is a terrorist going to do with a photo of a stinking security camera?? Funny thing, none of the terrorists took photos of security cams. So "Mister I know about security" please explain this to us dummies.
Posted 10 months ago. ( permalink )

Stop The Clocks says:

This is getting as crazy as London...
I havent had any problems here yet taking photos but have had a few in London. Hopefully it wont get to that level over here.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

WAXY. says:

I've said it elsewhere, but it is worth repeating:

Thanks for sharing Cabbit. The advertisement disgusts me. As a frequent customer of Translink and promoter of mass transit, I'm saddened to see this.

This story also just made the CBC.

www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009 /03/20/bc-su...
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

wurkingartist says:

thompson-merlin: considering the Big Brother/1984/we're-watching-you scenario is such a large [and largely unwanted] part of society now, we should expect to be inundated with photo exhibitions [on a global scale] from the countless creative types who seek out subject matter relating to it. So a photographer shooting a security camera as a means to their creative expression [and subject matter] is not only an obvious expectation but one that is currently making the rounds worldwide. At this point, it's more unoriginal than it is threatening. Besides...the security cameras would be taking pictures of the photographer -- it's one of their many purposes.

Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

BuckyHermit says:

A classmate of mine just claimed that it is illegal to take photos of people in a public place because it's not only an "invasion of privacy" but also a "security risk." He even did it with a straight face.

This guy's no dummy either. He's a graduate student with a BA and going for an MA. Even someone as educated as him is convinced of these false "facts."

It is this exact sort of misinformation and ignorance that these kinds of ads encourage. Photography is a legal activity that has been smeared and socially criminalized to the point where people come to the conclusion that it is illegal outside the comforts of one's own home.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

scottidee® says:

Generation after generation the art community has remained out of touch with reality

IN THE AGE of TERRORISM SNAPPING PHOTOS of a SECURITY CAM is GOING to FLAG some ATTENTION

No criminalizing in this example relative to the culture & context.

Sadly, most of you would BLAME the police for NOT observing the SAME example had a security risk occurred.

Blame yourselves for your political correctness - BLENDING
EVERYBODY into the SAME "risk" presumption
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Richard Macdonald says:

For anyone else interested:

Forum on Olympic policing and security

The VPD, the RCMP and the City of Vancouver will speak at a public information session on how Olympic security measures will affect the Downtown Eastside hosted by Pivot Legal Society, this Thursday.

The free forum, at the Strathcona Community Centre, will include a question/answer period where residents can ask questions and voice concerns.

Where: Strathcona Community Centre – 601 Keefer Street

When: Thursday March 26, 2009 Start: 7:00 p.m.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Yuusha Raideen says:

@grabshotz Give me a break. We're just asking for a little common sense. You're not going to catch the guy who is pretending to talk on the phone but is actually taking pictures or video of the area. That's the terrorist. The weird guy taking uninteresting pictures at the train station with a honking DSLR while getting noticed by everyone? That's me. (Not a terrorist.)
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Karen Lewis 1109 says:

Today my heart is saddened. Who can stop this maddness?
How do we truely secure and protect the very thing that "drives" us as photogrpahers. The world is getting crazier by the day!
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

rbostyle says:

Hey, i'm compiling a pool of these photos at Translink Suspicious Behaviour. Mind adding it?
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

knitgirl says:

they hate our freedom....
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

gLo's VancouverBlueEyedGueroPartDeux says:

LoL ... or OMG .... now I am doubting our Canadian gray matter....although I do think the ad is rather amusing.... maybe I will stand like that in front of a CCTV camera and take pictures for a few minutes and see what chaos ensues.....
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Happy Tinfoil Cat says:

Need a FlashMob of Ghostbusters
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

donnaidh_sidhe says:

I really want to get a shot of a crowd of SLR photographers gathered around a) a surveillance camera, and b) one of these ads.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

gLo's VancouverBlueEyedGueroPartDeux says:

that would b brilliant :P
ps I am in....with the security camera sit in @ a translink site near us.... who is organizing this event? LoL
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

akagoldfish says:

Heh, that's funny. I've been working on and off on a project on security cameras. This just makes me want to get more hardcore about it.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

antennas says:

Happy Tinfoil cat... a terrorist would be VERY interested in what kind , type of camera is doing security at a venue. Would they be so dumb as to walk up to it and photograph it? Probably not. Maybe they would stare at it and write the info down. BUT if it's too far away a telephoto would really help. Brand name, digital or analog, field of view, power, and all that. So yes it's good info to have.
Translink really dropped the ball still on this as it will just cost them a million false alarms.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Happy Tinfoil Cat says:

I disagree.

Point one. The only "photography" used by the terrorists that I have heard of was cell phone snapshots to locate the concentrations of people to kill.

Point two. You can assume that the entire place is under surveillance. Trying to sneak in undetected is not possible. Additionally, suicide bombers have no fear of being caught in the act.

Point three. The case around security cameras is not the same thing as a security camera. They are standard enclosures. The camera inside is not usually visible. The lens on the camera inside is not really visible either. Taking a picture of an enclosure doesn't reveal much info about the security camera's capabilities, if that were even a factor, which it isn't.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

brilliant girl [deleted] says:

The only problem I have with photographers on transit is when they try to point their cameras up my skirt. I've caught three guys trying this so far (and I would have kicked one of them down the escalators if my friend hadn't been there to stop me). I have to wonder though, how many have I not caught?
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

cabbit says:

@brilliant: Ouch :/ That's balls. Totally illegal though, I fully support calling the cops on those guys.

They'd be hard pressed to hide if they were using DSLR's like the person in the ad though. I'd wager the three you caught were using small point & shoots or cellphones.
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Richard Macdonald says:

@brilliant: Those aren't photographers, those are perverts carrying cameras.

And I also wonder how many of them where carrying dslrs?
Posted 9 months ago. ( permalink )

Dan McKechnie says:

I'm going to Van next week. I think I'll make a point of taking photos of security cameras.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

Rick Cogley says:

It's true that one unassociated with terrorist acts does not _need_ to take shots of security cameras, but this sure brings out my ornery side: makes me want to take lots of pictures of them.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

Laundry Talks. says:

That's really stupid.
I didnt know until reading michaelspotts'es bog on how its illegal to take publie picture's outside the US and Canada.
I want to move to London and if I can't take pictures then that's just really stupid.
How dare they, and if they think about it out of all the people coming and going out of there country how many photographers have been taking pictures of the place, THEN a week or a month or so later have come and attacked that country?
Practically NO ONE, the only country under attack is Iraq/ Iran...I think.
I havn't kept up on the war news reccently.
And like a few other people who wrote comments, it makes me kinda want to go up to a security camera, take a picture of it, and see what trouble happens.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

Laundry Talks. says:

It makes me wonder also if a security camera was pointed at this ad.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

redeyesatdawn says:

great shot,
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

swusch says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Fotograf - photographer - photographe - el fotógrafo, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

Fernando Gallegos says:

sad ...
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

j-dude says:

Absolutely ridiculous. Translink are idiots.

It doesn't matter of the intent of the ads (vigilance). What only matters is the consequence, giving the public a negative view of photogs - which is extremely difficult to undo.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

emmanuel buenviaje says:

a while ago, I was shooting at Stadium Station and a VPD came towards me. turns out, he's a Nikonian and we got to talking about photography. not once did he mention to me not to take photos on ST platform. go figure.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

GALERIEopWEG says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Media Me, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

Rick Cogley says:

You might like this "photography license":

ff.im/2Z7Jt

Regards,
Rick
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

cabbit says:

Hey Rick,

Thanks for the link, but I'm actually quite against the faux "photography license".

Once you start misrepresenting yourself like that, particularly using something that has 'U.S.' Department of Homeland Security' at the top, you open yourself up to a lot of legal repercussions.

Showing that to a police officer to justify taking photos, you can (and probably will) be arrested for fraud, impersonating a government official, or any number of other charges.

Much better to just carry the photographer's rights card.
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

gLo's VancouverBlueEyedGueroPartDeux says:

this is a somewhat informative site for Cdn fotogs' rights

www.ambientlight.ca/laws.php
Posted 8 months ago. ( permalink )

laurahitch says:

We have posters everywhere suggesting that a bomb won't go off because someone reported someone taking photos... does this make us all 'terrorists' (i hate that word) I almost want to start doing this so that they arrest me, get the press interested in why they're now arresting 20yr old white atheist students for 'terrorist' activities... particularly ones with computers filled with 5 years of photos (numbering over 15,000)... I think the real terrorists are those ones putting up these photos. Great photo for bringing this to people's attention.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

WAXY. says:

You made it to Explore/Places on Flickr's homepage. :-)

Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

It's not me, is you~ ♫ [deleted] says:

:)
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

toddsieling says:

Everyone knows that terrorists love to use SLR cameras. This is pretty much a declaration of war on photographers who dare to find transit areas photogenic, and who don't heel to Translink's command and control attitude.

People thinking of visiting Vancouver should think twice and take note of what's been happening as the Olympics gets closer: if you take pictures, the city's transit service is saying you're not welcome.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

knitgirl says:

memories of APEC.....a machine gun on every corner.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Hugh Kirk says:

What are you trying to say about the British?
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

cabbit says:

That they've posted ads implying photographers are criminals before. That their police have a reputation for harassing innocent tourists and photographers who are within their rights to take photos.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

limeskale [hoi polloi] says:

i'm not feeling very good
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

gLo's VancouverBlueEyedGueroPartDeux says:

ok...everyone gather around a Translink camera with a DSLR and take a pic....and make sure you take a pic of you taking the pic... LoL
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

ls1z28chris says:

All this "you don't understand security" nonsense is a cop out. That BS doesn't pass the laugh test.

In Iraq, the insurgents infiltrate as workers on the base. They pace off distances, take notes to record where people congregate, and pencil diagrams. They take their time and do this over a period of weeks and months. There is literally no reason for a terrorist to stand around conspicuously taking pictures with an SLR when site recon with a pencil and notepad is just as effective and doesn't elicit suspicion.

Actual terrorists spend months, most of the time years, planning an attack. They calculate and plan. The only "terrorists" who would walk up to a security camera and take a photograph are the ones sponsored by the FBI in order to produce fantastical news stories about foiled "plots."
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

michaelspotts says:

The NYC Police Department has released a new document (as of 4/3/09) which reaffirms at least the rights of photographers in New York City. It's worth the read:

www.rrphotoblog.com/2009/05/photographic-righ ts-in-nyc.html

If you live in the States print it and keep it close.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Gujjama says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Nation Of Domination. (We Rule The Universe), and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

cjc4454 says:

thanks for adding this to our group

Seen in CAUGHT IN THE ACT~ OF FLICKR~ING!

Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

TomRadiohead says:

Spy world meets Photography and viceversa
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

Nick.Allen says:

great pic! i was harassed in nyc yesterday by the port authority police for taking 'innocent' photos inside the PATH station...not even of infrastructure, cameras, etc. i will have to check out the nypd @michaelspotts posted.
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

WAXY. says:

Vancouver Cops Affirm Your Right to Take Pictures
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )

crbassett says:

So sad.
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

stesib says:

Daft rules eh'
Personally taking a photo of the security camera is irrelevant. Perhaps the only time they can moan is if you are taking a shot of what the camera can actually see.
Just had to get a rant off my chest.
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

Rippie: Contra Censura! says:

i think the warning is because taking a picture of a camera is like mirrors facing each other.

everyone knows that's how you create a black hole, and we have enough time/space troubles nowadays.

i see the point of the program, but believe they are illustrating it in a terrible way.
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

gLo's VancouverBlueEyedGueroPartDeux says:

LMAO good 1 Rippie!
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

PeteVonTews says:

American paranoia spreading. Shame on the deceiving powers to be.
Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )

napolifd says:

I have taken photographs of Transit systems and was never caught nor questioned. The simple rule is just to be discreet
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Happy Tinfoil Cat says:

Oh yes, covertly taking photos is not suspicious at all. ;^) That is, unless you are caught.
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

burnstuff2003 says:

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Hay you, stop taking photos UK, and we'd love to have this added to the group!
Posted 5 months ago. ( permalink )

Paul Excoff says:

I happen to like taking photos of security cameras!
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

Blue celt says:

Bien vu !
Posted 3 months ago. ( permalink )

Digital Retina says:

so where do we report all the government cameras?
Posted 5 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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