Apple would never do this because they would
be advertising the Zune more than the iPod.
In the picture above they almost look
comparable, whereas looking it in the video
on CNN the Zune looks like a clunker. With
PC/Windows vs Mac ads, Apple has nothing to
lose since Windows already has 9x% market
share.
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Agree. Apple would never do this because
people will have an idea that iPod doesn't
work with Windows and only works on Mac.
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Mac: I've got world-class design, from
pioneers in human-interface and industrial
design
PC: I've got the best design the Seattle
suburbs have to offer
Mac: My software runs on Macs and the
latest version of Windows you can buy
PC: My software runs on the latest version
of Windows, but not on the next one
(scratches head)
Mac: I've got a library of over 3000000
songs available right now
PC: Me too. Er, I mean, I've got a library
of 2 million songs. But you can share those
songs with your friends. If they use Windows.
And they can only listen to the songs you
share with them three times.
Mac: So basically you can play songs for
your friends, and then they can buy them?
That's pretty cool (standard Josh-smirk)
I pray Apple doesn't do something like this.
All it would do is legitimitize the Zune!
Ignore it, like every other portable music
player and it will gain no noticeable market
share.
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i dont know why you hate zune so much, i
really thing it has huge potential, wifi can
give you alot! anyway i like zune, and i like
ipod. Zune is something new, i belive in it,
time will tell. Just please dont hate it
without thinking
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I agree with nutsmuggler. I'm no MS fanboy,
but it sounded like the makeup room chat
before the show had been all about the bad
things they could say about the Zune.
Also, i've never before noticed how similar
the Zune's + and >II buttons look to the
iPod 3G's.
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1) The whole "can only play a song 3
times" thing is a moot point. You're
criticizing the zune for NOT allowing
breaking of the law. Giving your music away
is illegal. Stop complaining that the zune
doesn't allow you to break the law.
2) The whole "doesn't play iTunes
music." Ok, really, who's freakin fault
is that? Apple comes out with a format that
can ONLY be played in iTunes or QuickTime and
somehow microsoft is blamed for it??? If you
honestly think that's Microsofts fault,
you're off your rocker.
3) Not working with Vista??? Things have
issues at launch, like, the MacBook Pro's
Whine...over 50,000 5th gen iPod videos
shipping with viruses....MacBooks randomly
shutting down and losing information....oh,
and, iPod nano's being shipped with faulty
screens. Mine cracked just sitting on my
desk. These things happen. Plus, you have to
remember, Vista isn't even out yet. All it
needs to work with vista is a smalll driver
change. No biggie. They still have a few
months left before it officially releases.
4) Clunky? Are...are you serious? The
screen is .5 inches bigger. That might not
sound like much, but, that's 20% bigger than
the iPod. I mean, just look at the picture
from the original post. Yeah, it's accurate.
The screen is a giant compared to the iPod.
Plus, with a widescreen video, more of the
screen is going to be used for the actual
video, and not the black bars on top and
bottom. Also, wifi capablity adds some
components that necessarily tranlate to a
bigger size. Also, a little heavier.
At the end of the day, more features,
bigger screen, awesome picture and video
options...same cost....you can get it in
brown, super cool.
Plus, the CNN thing doesn't even count.
That's the most BOGUS thing I've EVER seen.
"Oh, i just HAPPEN to have my iPod on
the set...in my hand, waiting to compare to
the VIDEO zune. it's so light, so stylish,
only $70." Yeah, apples and oranges. No
screen, no wireless, no anything, 70 songs,
period the end.
- If you have Non-DRM'd music on your
Zune, why is it OK for the Zune to DRM it for
you? Not OK to me.
- Bigger Screen != better. Same
resoulution as the iPod, only bigger Pixels.
Oops.
- Can't argue that it doesn't work with
Vista, it Doesn't. That's Ignorant.
- Shuffle holds 240 songs.
To Poster of the picture:
Everything up there is awesome, only you
need to make the Zune a bit more pixely on
the screen, remember, they both have the same
resolution. so PC guy can be bigger, but look
like trash.
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@Mac Pro... thx for the link...
"Why don't they get some decent design
people to work on this...it looks
clunky" haha Microsoft.
@hiddentwinkle007
1) Yes it is cool to share a song with a
friend...But it sucks that you can't share
non-DRM music or other information. What if
some band wants to distribute their samples
to people for free? (Well mabye they could if
they MS a big enough fee)
2) While it is true that iTunes is just as
propriotary as the zune system... it also
works better. iTunes is an awsome music
application compared to Media Player.
3) Everyone has issues one way or the
other. But microsoft has a much longer
history of screw ups... try re-installing
windows from scratch... it will take 2 hours
to install windows, 1/2 hour for SP2, and 4
hours and 50 reboots to get fully patched up.
4) I agree it is clunky, but then I also
think the latest video iPods are clunky too.
I want the touch-screen iPod to come out.
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It's the same 320x240 resolution as the iPod.
The picture will just look more blocky
(bigger screen, bigger blocks), and you have
to turn the thing on its side for the proper
viewing aspect.
1) Just cause your music isn't DRMed doesn't
mean it's legal to give it out to people.
Stupid point.
2) Same resolution increasing from a 2.5
inch to a 3 inch screen doesn't matter...you
won't be able to tell. Have you used a zune,
or even see one running? Ignorance isn't
bliss. The videos look amazing; the people
that actually use the zune say it looks
awesome.
3) I NEVER said it works with Vista. Go
ahead and re-read my post. What I said is
that Vista isn't even out for retail yet, so,
there's still time to get that worked out.
4) You ARE right. The shuffle can hold 240
songs. I was also being rough on the cost of
it, it's actually $79.
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That cool good job, i do some neat photoshop
stuff too, check them out and i did the
diggnation indana jones movie poster with
kevin, and alex
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The Ipod styling is played out, every
duechebag and old lady has one now. And now
the zune is just copying the look, its silly.
Both microsoft and apple have a history of
trying to place artifical controls on its
users to corner its markets, so i say screw
them both. The samsung Z5 and K5 have much
nicer styling and are open to all file
formats.
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get real guys, creative players can play ANY
format of music file, from . mp3 to .wav..
top off all you don't have to buy your music
cd's again to take them in your hand :P ipod
and zune suck :P
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@menosketiago: You do not have to buy your
music again to use cds. The music store is
for songs you don't have already. get it
right. The iPod can play any format also,
aac, mp3, wav, aiff, apple lossless. The only
one it doesn't play is wma, but that is
preprietory anyway.
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hey hiddentwinkie!
the correct phrase is "the point is
moot" not "mute"
Mute means to be silent or made silent
(would that you could be!) like the mute
button on a remote.
Moot means having no practical
significance, typically because the subject
is to uncertain to allow a decision. (hmm
maybe hiddentwinkie is moot, and hopefully
mute too)
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Alright, i'll stoop to Apple's (and their
fanboys level)
iPod (i): Hi, I'm an iPod
Zune (z): Hi, I'm a Zune
i: "I've got world-class design, from
pioneers in human-interface and industrial
design", that means I come in black and
white! (ccouples idea)
z: wow, that sounds special! So do I! oh,
and I come in brown too...
i: I've got a big 2.5 inch screen!
z: Mines bigger...and widscreen, or
fullscreen...you see, MY worldclass designers
gave me either or...
i: I'm popular!
z: So what you're saying is that becuase
people are almost cultish about your company
and buy you only because of that reason,
you're better than me?
i: Um....yeah?
z: I come preinstalled with over $50 worth
of music and videos...and some cool
snowbarding/skateboarding short
movies....plus a few wallpapers, but, i mean
you don't even use wallpapers, but, i mean
that white looks cool...
i: I come with Brick, and solitaire....and
music quiz...all preloaded!
z: So, basically, the only games that run
on OS X?
i: SO! I get 3.5 hours of battery life
while playing videos...
z: So, basically one full normal movie and
all but the last 20 mins of the other? I get
4 hours, enough for the ending of the second
too...
i: Itunes is better than your software
though...
z: Yeah, i mean, my software only
automatically converts non-compatible video
into compatible video for me...that way my
user doesn't need 3rd party software...no
need to miss a beat
i: I have over 3 million songs in my online
music store
z: Good for you...go ahead and download ALL
3 million of them, for a mere $2,970,00. My
user can spend $15 a month and get access to
over 2 million songs...all transferable to
me....
i: I have podcasts....
z: I can use those same podcasts...and I
have radio...with information display such as
Station, Artist, Album and Song.
i: people can share my headphones JUST like
the old add and the picture when you install
my software....
z: yeah, that's something to brag about.
People can share music in a limited, but
LEGAL way with me
i: Microsoft sucks...apple rules...
z: why does it always come to that with
you?
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Hey hiddentwinkie... Are you calling us
apple fanboys? seems like you're a microsoft
fanboy to me. I'll admit that the Creative
Zen and others are better than the iPod, but
the Zune is at the bottom of the list.
Also, what if your band created music,
non-DRMed, and wanted to share it with your
friends at school? Oh well, they can only
play it 3 times even though it's your
property, and you created it.
Also, the Zune software is only compatible
with Windows, and microsoft just added Vista
support. iTunes is compatible with Mac or
PC, and the iPod can be used as an external
hard disk, too. I don't remember hearing
about that on the Zune features list.
Microsoft's whole "join the
social" campaign is stupid. It's not
like you're just going to throw a Zune party,
where everyone just comes over to your house
and plays everyone else's music 3 times.
Might as well just get some speakers and play
music for everyone.
Oh yeah, I'm surprised that nobody
mentioned the 3 days part of microsoft's song
leasing limits. Even if you wanted to
stretch your 3 plays out, you can't because
it stops after 3 days too. Then the song
just sits on your Zune until you delete it.
I have an iPod, and I don't sync it too
often, and I wouldn't want tons of unplayable
music just sitting there reminding me to buy
it. Why can't the Zune download your
subscription data and allow you to buy the
song off of the player, from a wi-fi hotspot?
That would be smart, but then again, we're
dealing with microsoft here.
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hey hiddentwinkie - here is another issue
with zune, if you have music that is under
the creative commons licence, what microsoft
is doing breaks the copyright. Under Creative
Commons licence, you can not add drm to
someone the content. Most Indie bands, who
would be sharing thier own music use this
copyright method. infact almost all podcasts
are also under creative commons. in this case
microsoft isn't 100% legal.
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I don't use mac actually. I don't even have
an iPod. I use MS product most the time in
office and use both Windows and Linux at
home. I think I can make things clearer for
you MS fan (?), if such kind of label really
means anything.
- Although Zune have a longer screen, size
of video on Zune depends on the width of it.
Since screen of iPod and Zune are almost the
same size, videos on them are of same size.
- One of the greatest thing on iPod is the
wheel control. That's very easy to use and
that's something Zune can never duplicate.
- I bet Zune hangs a lot due to OS bugs ...
like IE
- If we cannot share non-DRM media files,
means we cannot share almost every single mp3
file we already have. I bet they won't have
the latest Hong Kong album in MS online
stores. I'd be pointless to share mp3 that we
don't interested in.
- For the same reason, I suspect we can't
even get $1 worth songs to preinstall in Zune
if we have some music in mind.
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half of you people on this post are fucking
retards. If you're offended by that, then
you're one of them, and you know it.
Others are genuinely being funny. And
that's what this goddamned picture is about.
and to the technical comments:
@ wma bitches - iTunes can import wma, just
if it's not drm'ed. wma is NOT proprietary.
any jerkoff can make wma files legally.
Plays For Sure, however, is proprietary.
Analogous to the fact that AAC (format for
iTunes files, if you weren't aware) can be
created by any jerkoff but with the same
issue where DRM'ed AAC/FairPlay is
proprietary.
@ people saying creative's better because
it plays "all the formats"...
um... I love Creative, and have since the mid
90s, but the vast majority of their music
players are ass. However, I do like the
newer ones, they're quite nice.
@ people bitching about which one is better
in general, and saying to buy a toshiba or
x-brand "other unit"... stfu and
enjoy the humor. :D
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axb500, good stuff =) too bad losers turned
ur picture into a flame war. so, flickr is
like the new digg for u losers to hang
around?
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1) I fail to see why people critize the Zune
for not being able to download music off the
internet directly when the iPod doesn't even
have wifi.
2) Saying that the iPod's screen and the
Zunes screens are the same size is just dumb.
Sickly dumb.
3) "Bet(ting)" that the Zune
"hangs a lot" is probably one of
the most arrogant statements ever.
"Because it uses Windows it MUST
hang." That's freakin ridiculous.
4) I'm not a microsoft fanboy. I own an
iPod, and am looking at buying a Macbook to
replace my older windows based notebook. I
like stuff that works....Mac stuff works most
the time, good company. Microsoft makes a lot
of good stuff...they just sell it to more
people, so their mistakes are more widely
known.
5) @marr0qu1n...if you're not going to post
anything worthwhile...don't post it...let
alone post it twice. What a waste of life...
6) @MacMan92...yeah, Apple fanboys. I said
it. You can't argue you're not one...just
look at your freakin username....and notice
how you didn't address 95% of the things I
brought up? It's easy to just pull the
"you're dumb" card and try to get
people to laugh, but, I mean, at least
address some stuff while you're at it...
7) @Digital.man Creative Commons is a
wesbite that allows you to define what
copyright restrictions you want applied to
your works...it says that you cannot make the
copyrights looser than they are, but, NEVER
says that you can't make them tighter...it's
at worst (for microsft) a gray area. And if
Microsoft can get sued for offering windows
media player for free....you better believe
that if what they're doing with the zune
comes even close to breaking the law they'd
be in court already...
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I hope I can honestly say I've outgrown flame
wars, but I do have two points of information
and one miscellaneous.
hiddentwinkle: The iPod's and Zune's screen
are the same resolution. It has been said in
this comments section, but I don't know if it
registered with you. They are both, iirc,
320x240. That's a 4:3 ratio, as in standard
TV and CRT monitors. Zune is not widescreen,
nor is its upright position traditional
(that's not even mathematically possible), so
it does not use the pixels any differently
(re: black borders). It's the same display in
two different sizes.
tf5: You have absolutely no idea what
proprietary means. It doesn't mean
inaccessible or pay only, it just means one
entity owns it and controls its
implementation. Microsoft controls Windows
Media, the Motion Picture Experts Group
controls m4a, and Apple controls the
encryption algorithm and authorization system
that make FairPlay (m4p) work. As for
miscellaneous, I do take offense at your
comment because something about an uninformed
jerk popping in and calling people
"retards" just rubs me the wrong
way.
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Oh man oh man oh man... This is the great
thing here... Since I don't work for Apple
anymore, I can actually say stupid shit like
the above, and the below:
@ atsureki - Okay, okay... if you want to
split hairs, then yes, I used the term
somewhat incorrectly. Yes, it technically
means "one entity owns and controls it's
implementation"... But in
generalization of the industry, if something
is proprietary, it means that only a certain
few can use that technology.
In other words, everyone else got my point.
And just because I posted in a
sleep-deprived state and "technically
misused" the word proprietary, THEN
you're going to take offense to my statement
as an "uninformed jerk". Sweet.
Well, you did take offense to my post, and
proceeded to split hairs despite the fact
that you fully understood what I was saying,
and you knew this. You do remember what I
said about those who take offense, right?
And you knowingly stated you took offense.
Touché.
Wait. did I use that right?
And by the way, welcome to Flickr! I don't
know if you had this account before this
great thread here, but it looks like you
didn't, so, feel free to post some great
photos to share with us all. Really, I'm not
the uninformed jerk that you think I am, and
you're probably not the asshat that I think
you are based on these posts here.
So, being this is a silly little
Apple-inspired humor thread, and it really
doesn't mean anything, on to the next part...
@ Justin - Glad I can help a bro out with
the laughs. You've always had a great sense
of humor. :D
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not to rebegin this whole thing, becouse i
too think it is silly to argue about this. it
is important to note that microsoft is
dictating how people using creative commons
choose to distribute thier media. creative
commons DOES state that you can't add drm to
someone elses content. this is taken from the
creative commons wiki:
What happens if someone tries to protect a
CC-licensed work with digital rights
management (DRM) tools?
If a person uses DRM tools to restrict any
of the rights granted in the license, that
person violates the license. All of our
licenses prohibit licensees from
"distributing the Work with any
technological measures that control access or
use of the Work in a manner inconsistent with
the terms of this License Agreement."
@ hiddentwinkie - you are right that this
is a gray area, and while the may never get
prosecuted for it, my orriginal statement
still applies it is not 100% legal. microsoft
would not appreciate someone altering the way
people distrube thier media, why should they
do it to someone elses? they do not own the
content, and don't have the right to assume
that the owner wants that. i would not be
surprised if we hear about this again in the
legal arena.
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wow! cool idea!
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