A small antique processional image of the Scourging at the Pillar, in its own urna. Sighted at an antique shop in Manila.
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Leo Cloma 57 months ago | reply
This is quite pricey -- I'd say about three times the price of a newly-made replica.
Interestingly, I had first seen this at the Vecin Workshop several months ago. The owner had wanted to either (1) sell it to Mr. Vecin, or (2) ask Mr. Vecin to sell it on his behalf.
Due to the high asking price, neither option worked out, so the owner subsequently took it back and consigned it to an antique dealer in Philtrade Hall 6, where it is now.
La Pilarica 57 months ago | reply
This is a very nice piece, the owner is making a fool of himself in unloading this beautiful image.
mary cleofas/bago 57 months ago | reply
gutted.........ang ganda pa naman. pwede syang gawing ecce homo sa aming bayan. thanks for the info leo.
Leo Cloma 57 months ago | reply
I suggest that you negotiate the price with the dealer. The owner just might be willing to soften up, considering that this has gone unsold for quite some time now.
josemarihilario [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Thanks for posting Leo! Kumusta na? How tall is the Christo Leo?
geto----- [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Huwaw. kasanting!
Maging CFO sana ako o kaya ay doktor sa Chicago o Lord!
Leo Cloma 57 months ago | reply
This image is roughly a three-footer, pretending to be a four-footer.
The reason I say that is that sometime in its long history, someone had the strange idea to insert about half a foot or so of extra "waistline" to make it appear taller. As a result, the image looks elongated, and seems too tall for its urna, which is original to the image.
The owner wanted Mr. Vecin to restore the image to its original perfectly-proportioned state, which of course Mr. Vecin could easily do. However, the owner did not want to shell out for this restoration until a definite buyer could be found. Since none was found, this image has gone both unsold and unrestored.
josemarihilario [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Geto ha! Nagpaparinig ka ba? Hahaha! Leo - so marami palang kailangang gawin sa poon. Kaya pala. Murvyn, since you are working on some restorations while in PI, you might want to consider on this one. Greetings to everyone! Thanks for the info Leo!
geto----- [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Leo the body is proportion or similar to the Delas Penas of Makati Poblacion.
O Gabe, bid na. Heto sureball. ha ha ha.
This is one Kristo that no burloloy is needed. Outstanding!
josemarihilario [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
O sige Geto, padalhan mo ako ng blank cheque. Musta na kid?
Leo Cloma 57 months ago | reply
I think that once this is restored to its original state and proportions, this would indeed be in a very similar style and even coloring to the Senor de las Penas in the Vecin Collection. See here:
www.flickr.com/photos/28098727@N00/2586493899/
geto----- [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
O sige Gabe, palit tayo ng checking account! ha ha ha,
The kids are doing good.
I always wanted to see a topic focusing on proper looks
or proportion of a Christ body. Some Cristos are either too ripped
or too thin. This is just right.
josemarihilario [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Hahaha! I didn't realize that you have kids Geto. I was referring to you as the "kid" since I seem to be older. LOL!
Apo Lakay 57 months ago | reply
I don't know who you guys are talking about but I'm not a CFO or a doktor from Chicago. I'm just an ordinary CPR (certified personally rich) person. LOLOLOL
BTW talking about ripped" torsos, I've seen very few Philippine Cristo images where Christ sports a six-pack, abs of iron and "pwets" of steel. I have, however, seen some Spanish "Cautivos" where the robe is open partway thus exposing the results of Christ's bowflex workout regimen!
geto----- [deleted] 57 months ago | reply
Gabe, hindi na ako kid. Nakatatlong kid na ako! ha ha ha.
Murvyn, May bagong labas ang Bowflex ngayon. ha ha ha
Our barrio's Crucified Christ seems to me on diet. The torso
is mala-Michael Phelps, oddly long.
I rarely see perpectly sculpted bare Christ. Nevertheless, I would
like to know which proportion, style and feature are correct.
I'm just thinking that probably since most Filipino santos are dressed, many local carvers are not adepth on bare shoulders, torsos, thighs and legs. What dya think?
Apo Lakay 57 months ago | reply
From what I understand from Jojo Canlas (aka La Paloma), an image is measured in terms of “cabezas” because sculptors used the head as a guide for the correct proportion of the body in relation to the head. The head in this sense is measured from the top of the skull to underneath the chin [and does not include the neck and/or the collar bones].
For “detallado” images or those images carved in the round, the correct proportion is 1:7.5. So for every inch of head, multiply that by 7.5 in order to get the correct proportionate height of the santo in relation to the head. For example, if your “detallado” image has a head that measures approximately 6.5”, then multiply 6.5” X 7.5 = 48.75” or approximately 4’ without base.
Processional images take on a different ratio by virtue of the fact that they are viewed from below. The artistic concept of “foreshortening” mandates that in order to offset the distortion of the images viewed from below, the image needs to be a bit taller. Consequently, a “processional” image takes on the ratio of approximately 1:9. So for every inch of head, multiply that by 9” to obtain the correct body height that is proportional to the head. Thus, for a processional image with a head measuring 6.5”, multiply 6.5 x 9” = 58.5" or roughly 4’8” total height without base.
Leo Cloma 57 months ago | reply
Mr. Vecin has several rules of thumb with regard to classical proportions of religious images, which he can freely share in a face-to-face discussion. These were handed down to him by Filipino santeros in the previous generation, including Mantiago Santos in particular.
Mr. Vecin also points out that these sculptural proportions are quite different from actual human proportions -- he has gotten into many arguments with some of his sculptors who refuse to accept that they are not the same. As a result, he has had to let go of those sculptors who stubbornly and inexplicably insist on using human rather than classical scaling.
Apo Lakay 3 months ago | reply
Just a quick update.... Does anyone know if this Cristo is still available? I am now in the market for an antique image of Christ that I can use as a Cautivo.
According to my staff, someone from San Marcelino is coming out with a tableau of the Last Supper as well as Simon of Cyrene. So my plans for those images has just fallen by the wayside. So now, I'm back to scounting around for an antique image of Christ for a Cautivo.
Leo Cloma 3 months ago | reply
I believe that this image is now in a private collection somewhere in Metro Manila. It was sold shortly after I took this photo when the image was in Philtrade.
Apo Lakay 3 months ago | reply
Awww Leo, that's too bad! He is beautiful!