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Firefox 3.5 is optimized for accurately showing all sorts of colour profiles by default, not just sRGB (as previously). If you were upping the contrast and saturation on Adobe RGB colour space photos so that they wouldn't get washed out in browsers that couldn't understand the Adobe RGB, they'll now look true to their punched-up characteristics.
I'd still recommend sRGB, by the way -- unless you assume everyone viewing is using the new Firefox or Safari or one of the other colour-profile-sensitive browsers. IE, I believe, still can only accurately render sRGB.
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You need to do more than just use the latest FF version. Colour management is disabled by default, so you also have to enable it. That means the potential audience viewing non-sRGB images in optimal fashion is still very small.
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It's a never-ending problem, Paige. What you see in your home with your home computer monitor and home photo application will not be what the world sees online with their home computer monitors and somebody's web browser.
The compromise appears to be to use sRGB for photos you'll upload. My suggestion is to give up Internet Explorer and use any other browser. Firefox, Safari, Camino, et als. if you're on a Mac, Firefox, Opera under Windows (is Safari available on Windows?).
You don't say what colorspace you're using (I haven't looked), but 3.5 claims now to show the correct colorspace instead of sRGB, so if you're using something other than sRGB, photos will now show more nearly correctly in Firefox 3.5. In the end, though, you have no control over how people will be able to see your photos on flickr. It's just not going to happen. And when you change browsers, you're likely to see the photos differently, too.
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Not anymore, Patrick :) Firefox 3.5 reads ICC version 2 (but not 4) color profiles by default. (I suspect it still reads un-tagged images poorly.)
developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox
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I stand corrected! I'm still only on 3.0.11 - not been prompted to upgrade yet.
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Yes, you can check your browser with this test page: www.color.org/version4html.xalter
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Browsing Flickr with Firefox 3.5 is a very variable experience. Some photos look great, some horrible. I've had a look at some of mine (which were exported from Lightroom with sRGB selected and then uploaded using the latest version of Uploadr) and they don't look good in FF3.5.
Looking at the EXIF data on some of them (on the Flickr photo properties page), some of them have 'Colour Space: Unknown' which may be why Firefox decides to display them in a horrible manner.
I would have hoped that if Firefox couldn't determine the colour space of an image that it would display it how it used to, rather than make what seems to be a horrible guess.
Of course, it may be that the information it needs is disappearing either in Lightroom, Uploadr or in the Flickr processing itself.
Left: Everywhere except FF3.5 (other browsers, Lightroom , Windows Image Preview).
Right FF3.5
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Little update: The Firefox developer page linked to above does reference a bug which makes images too dark - so hopefully that'll be fixed in the next version.
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488800
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publicenergy, check this post regarding color space:
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/84627/#reply552453
If I understand correctly, it can be only sRGB or unknown (or uncalibrated, as the camera may be). Check out this page for FF 3.5's color rendering defaults:
hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/
I see a solid purple block on my FF 3.5, but I see the embedded darker block in Safari 4.0.1. shrug - I can't figure out how to fix FF, but that's beyond the scope if the help forum, if I understand the rules correctly.
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Ignore me - I should have read your post more closely before responding :-)
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According to that bug report, ICC V2 colour profiles are fine, ICC V4 ones are too dark - which is what I'm seeing in some images. The bug report linked above wants Firefox to support ICC V4 which should make the problem go away.
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This was driving me nuts as well. If you go into your advanced firefox settings by going to about:config, then change the setting for gfx.color_management.mode to 0 it will correct the problem until firefox officially fixes it.
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Done. Thanks.
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I can confirm I have the same problem after upgrading my Firefox installation to the latest 3.5.
The photos appear darker and more saturated, while they appear correctly in any other application. Just changing the value of gfx.color_management.mode to 0 as explained above by james.whited did the trick!
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If you're comfortable changing parameters in about:config, you can leave color management enabled, as long as you also configure the gfx.color_management.display_profile parameter with the path to your monitor's ICC profile
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bruce,
No effect at all even I've set it to use sRGB_v4_ICC_preference.icc ,
gfx.color_management.display_profile = C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\color\sRGB_v4_ICC_preference.icc (from www.color.org/srgbprofiles.xalter )
gfx.color_management.mode = 1 (i.e. Full color management)
gfx.color_management.rendering_intent = 3 (i.e. ICC-Absolute colorimetric)
The test sample at www.color.org/version4html.xalter shows only v2 support only. And, at the Bugzilla thread 488800, criography shows a sample results w/ diff browsers out there files.getdropbox.com/u/27213/qlory.jpg
It's in line w/ the statement at developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox ... "The new QCMS color management system introduced in Firefox 3.5 currently only supports ICC version 2 color profiles, not version 4. This may result in images being too dark."
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photo4howi edited this topic 35 months ago.
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Am so glad I found this thread. The hypersaturation was driving us mad and I lamented the fact that we had to use IE to view Flickr!
Interestingly, what worked for me was setting gfx.color_management.mode to 2 which is strange because that is what the default setting is supposed to be. The initial string value was blank.
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The photo on the right is from flickr and the same photo using cooliris is getting the photo from flickr`s data base.
both pages are open in firefox 3.5
Cooliris is display it right and flickr is displaying the same photo but is making it too red.
I have found in olny firefox 3.5 this happens but in windows exporer or firefox 3 it does not. how can i fix it any one?
the colour space of the photo, flick , and firefox 3.5. are working togeather in making the problem. but i cant put my finger on how to fix it.
If i use Paint in windows, flickr displays my photos right.
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I'm seeing the color space as "uncalibrated" for that photo (checking the original photo in your stream), which may very well make a difference in Firefox 3.5. My understanding is that it needs ICC profiles.
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problem is now fixed on my computer...is that the same as other people?
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This has been a helpful discussion but something still doesn't make sense. I use Photoshop CS3 and have been working in the Pro Photo Color Space until recently when I started using LAB. In either case after editing a photo I use Convert to Profile to create an sRGB jpg image which I then upload to Flickr. Accordingly, all my photos show up as sRGB in the EXIF properties display. The profile I've been using in Photoshop is sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and I'm assuming that is v2, not v4.
Since upgrading to FF 3.5 I've had the same problem described in this thread. When I change gfx.color_management.mode from 2 to 0 (disabling color management), my photos display correctly.
But since I'm not using v4, and since FF3.5 is supposed to handle v2, why doesn't it work correctly when the gfx parameter is set to either 1 or 2?
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john weiss edited this topic 35 months ago.
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One other note - I modified gfx.color_management.display.profile to point to my monitor profile and then set gfx.color_management.mode to 2 and got the same darkened result. When I set the mode back to 0 and left the display string pointing toward my monitor, the picture displayed correctly.
I also tried changing the rendering intent to -1 and to 3. Neither resolved the problem.
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john weiss edited this topic 35 months ago.
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I can confirm that setting gfx.color_management.mode to 0 worked for me too :)
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It's all bolloxed up on my WinXP box, but seemed fine on a Mac. Why does Firefox 3.5 hate photography?
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To add to the confusion, I recently created an image using sRGB ICC profile v4, which is not supposed to work in FF 3.5. But it looks just the way it should when viewed in 3.5, although its duplicate in v2 sRGB is dark and saturated. This is the complete opposite of the supposed lack of v4 support.
Supposedly Firefox will issue an updated release in late July (3.5.1) and maybe that will resolve this issue.
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Civilised Explorer queried above (quite some time ago) whether Safari was available for Windows. It is, and it's very fast.
Might provide a good alternative until Firefox is sorted out.
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I had the same problem with FF3.5 and it has been solved by setting parameter of gfx.color_management.mode to 0.
see this link
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If you actually output images with some consideration as to the target device, which on the web basically means outputting as sRGB, instead of outputting your internal editing format and expecting every random browser to display it the same then this problem disappears like doughnuts at a cop convention.
Browsers are not specialised image display devices.
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RobW, that isn't the issue here. The problem being discussed here is that images that ARE properly set to an sRGB color profile are displaying incorrectly in FF3.5.
FF3.5 is mishandling the profile information... turning off color managemtn in FF (in about:config) solves the problem, for now, until permanent fix is supplied.
I just updated to 3.5.1 and the issue has not been fixed yet in this release.
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james.whited says:
This was driving me nuts as well. If you go into your advanced firefox settings by going to about:config, then change the setting for gfx.color_management.mode to 0 it will correct the problem until firefox officially fixes it.
That fixed it! You're a genius!
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Ah, sorry, misread the posts. D'oh!
Glad there seems to be a workaround at least.
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Note the display_profile must be the matrix profile. The LUT profile is not supported in which case the sRGB is used by default.
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Folks,
Firefox has released 3.5.2. Besides the security fixes, it says...
"Images with ICC profiles now render properly on all monitors."
www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5.2/releasenotes/
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Sorry - not fixed.
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497363
The problem still exists on (some?) wide gamut monitors and specifically the popular Dell 2407/8 ranges. Sadly, the bug has been marked as fixed so I am not sure if anyone is picking it up for fixing.
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Thanks for all the advice and help. I learned way too much!! :)
One question ... how do you know if you have ICC V2 or ICC V4?
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statPaige,
Go to www.color.org/version4html.xalter and you will find out.
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You need to do more than just use the latest FF version. Colour management is disabled by default, so you also have to enable it. That means the potential audience viewing non-sRGB images in optimal fashion is still very small.
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