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I paid money to be able to post photo's on a PHOTO/STILL IMAGE website with other like minded photographers
Good grief have they stopped you posting and sharing photos?
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Are you suggesting that websites evolving is a bad thing? And that when you pay your money to a website you're buying some kind of stasis, a guarantee that, like the car, nothing will change while you rent it?
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Matthew Potochick Have any of you bothered to read your own description of this site?
By that logic, screenshots and artwork should not be here either.
Besides, Flickr still *is* a photo sharing website.
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Anybody on here getting Cash for comment ???
What is so great about videos on flickr?
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... why do they also have ads.
For one simple reason: they have to satisfy their shareholders.
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"Buying a car, you buy it as is. Websites evolve. I paid money to be able to post photo's on a PHOTO/STILL IMAGE website with other like minded photographers, that's what it was at the time. So now that flickr has videos, it isn't what I initially paid money for, the environment has changed, and I am concerned/angry.
I guess people can cancel any further subscriptions, so to speak. "
i agree completely but I'm not angry just disappointed..
it's like you believed you knew someone but just found out they weren't who you thought
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"Let's hope Flickr scales well because 90 seconds of video /150MB x however many tens of thousands per day is a huge amount of bandwidth and storage. And we all know how Flickr gets the hiccups now already... "
I think with over 2.4 billion photos uploaded to date, flickr already has the scaling aspect down. And of course, a 150MB video that is uploaded isn't going to be served to viewers as 150MB. It'll be compressed to something quite a bit smaller. (If you can make a 150MB video at regular sizes that is only 90 secs long, you're doing something wrong.)
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I was with you up until the Microsoft/Vista analogy. You're right, Microsoft hasn't asked me. Which is why I'm buying a Mac for my next computer (which is a purchase I hope to be making sooner than later).
My pro account is paid through January 2009. I will give flickr and video a chance until then. But if I feel that my flickr experience has changed for worse (due to video) I will look for a better product. Why should I pay for a feature I don't want or need?
To those of you saying just give video a try; you're just going to have to accept that it's not everyone's cup of tea. I've owned a camera for five years now that has had video capability. It wasn't the fact that up until last night I couldn't post video on flickr that has kept me from using it. Just because flickr has decided it's neato doesn't mean that I suddenly have this urge to run out and shoot video.
And Eric and Shanan (staff) stop trying to silence the dissenters by telling people to give others a chance to be heard. No one has been shouted out of the group. In fact, the beta testers have all had quite a vocal and visible presence here through out the day. We're already upset over the changes. Having staff give the appearance (intended or not) that they're trying to silence the nay-sayers isn't going to garner you any good will.
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Walwyn Pro User says:
I paid money to be able to post photo's on a PHOTO/STILL IMAGE website with other like minded photographers
Good grief have they stopped you posting and sharing photos?
Unfortunately, you left out the part where I said that the environment has changed.
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kabeldag So now that flickr has videos, it isn't what I initially paid money for, the environment has changed, and I am concerned/angry.
Clearly you are angry. But *where* are these videos impacting your Flickr experience? How has it been lessened today, with concrete examples of why video has ruined your Flickr experience today, not conjecture.
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But stubby42 said the !% pro users were carrying the whole burden. Surely some of that ad money is going to help pay for infrastructure, etc.
Or are you suggesting that the ad revenues are going straight into shareholder dividends?
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"Unfortunately, you left out the part where I said that the environment has changed.
Possible because it's irrelevant? Functionality has been added, not removed. Whatever you used flickr for before, you can still do it now. Therefore, the addition of the ability to upload videos is irrelevant to you.
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the addition of the ability to upload videos is irrelevant to you
I'm glad you see it that way - Cash for comment, maybe?
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I'd like to know what you mean by that. If you want to send me cash, message me for infos on where to send it.
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@Marco Wessel: thats the max size you can upload at and were talking people here who wont be videographers who will upload a MOV video from their PnS camera at high res for no reason other than they didnt know they could reduce the quality for web uploads. Do that enough during peak hours and have Flickr convert it to the flv flash format and it will cause some lags now and then.
There has been a "Flickr is Slow" posting in this forum for months now, so I don't think that they have it down 100% all the time for non moving videos, err I mean photos. :)
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Going back to your request on the other page - you keep asking us to show you where the crap is. I've refrained from doing so because I don't want to get finger pointy. And "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder. So what's crap to me, may be riveting for you. For me, almost every video in the video video video group is crap. The four pages uploaded last night by one of my contacts, was pure and utter crap. A video group for what is in your fridge - crap.
If we haven't pointed out examples it's because finger pointing in the Forum is not allowed and we're trying to have a civil discussion.
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I'm sorry I got it wrong, but the article talks about the freemium way of working (Which flickr uses) but it mentioned nothing about ads.
Sorry my bad.
But according to all the latest research despite massive growth in users of social network sites like flickr the revune from advertising is actually very low. For example myspace had a 500% growth in users in a year but only had 13% growth in advertising revenue despite investing heavily in the advertising functions on its site.
statistics from broadcast weekly
So the correct statment would be that the majority of the burden is carried by 1% of the users.
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@RubyMae
To those of you saying just give video a try; you're just going to have to accept that it's not everyone's cup of tea. I've owned a camera for five years now that has had video capability.
You don't have to give it a try, its just not going to affect you is all people are saying.
Well actually it probably is indirectly, as the changes in group administration that came along on the back of all this, is allowing the 18+ groups to filter out any images that aren't made 'restricted'. That is going to force people to flag up their stuff correctly if they want to add it to the 18+ groups.
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RubyMae, who made you watch those videos?
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Clearly you are angry. But *where* are these videos impacting your Flickr experience? How has it been lessened today, with concrete examples of why video has ruined your Flickr experience today, not conjecture.
Adding moving-images to flickr, takes away from still-frame photography as an art in the flickr environment, and has the proven ability to dissect. At least give it a new domain name: videos.flickr.com, or something.
What is SO great about having videos on here? Aside from the fact that it will increase yahoo's market base? Tell me!
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Please remove the video controls / download status from a video that is not playing (in the same way that they don't show on a video that is playing). It will look a lot nicer. (You could put a small icon in the corner, or after the title, that shows people that it's a video, and not just another photo).
It will look way, way better.
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You'll find most of the slowness mentioned in that thread is not related to flickr but to the ISP they happen to be using. Flickr is rarely ever slow for me. (I'm well-connected, yet outside of the US).
Movies from PnS cameras won't be 150MB for a minute and a half. They only way to get to 150MB in 90 seconds with a reasonable frame size is to store video uncompressed.
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kabeldag wrote b>Cash for comment, maybe?
Are you insinuating that non-staff here (not all beta-testers, by the way) supporting the idea of video or challenging any assertions made by those opposing it are being paid on the side to do so?
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For me, almost every video in the video video video group is crap. The four pages uploaded last night by one of my contacts, was pure and utter crap. A video group for what is in your fridge - crap.
2 of those examples are video-specific groups that you can avoid by not joining them, right?
I know that you had a concrete problem with a ton of videos showing up in your contact's pages, but if you ended up dropping those contacts over time because they only uploaded video, you wouldn't see that either.
I don't doubt that you don't want to see video, but I'm trying to understand where it is that you go in your daily Flickr rounds to see if video is killing it.
Maybe links are a bad idea, but are there groups you belong to that have been overrun? Is the stuff being shoved in your face anywhere?
[z] fixed a number
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You didn't get your bribe check yet?
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I seem to have a large portion of the beta testers as contacts (how ironic). At last check, close to fifty percent of my active contacts have uploaded video.
I haven't really been able to check photostreams today because flickr is too slow to load photos.
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"Are you insinuating that non-staff here (not all beta-testers, by the way) supporting the idea of video or challenging any assertions made by those opposing it are being paid on the side to do so?"
Having never heard the phrase I just googled it-- it appears to be Australian in origin.
Anyway, while of course I would love to be paid to make my comments here (be they positive or negative), I'm afraid I'm not.
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I'd like to be paid in kisses for my support of video, please.
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@marco - why do you think a changed environment is irrelevant? still photography and videography are two completely different disciplines.
look, i'm tired of this. i've had my say, but trollistic buffoons like zyrcster and walwyn are making me want to fight even harder. as my last post in this thread, here are the two points i want to make.
1. it was originally, and last time i paid, a PHOTO site. sure it can change, but that is not the reason why i came here. in fact, the lack of video was a major reason i came here.
2. i'll stick it out for a while, but i really hope some options are given to the people that obviously don't like the change of environment. i am dumbfounded by the incredulousness the above-mentioned folks have as to why anyone would oppose this. get real. there are a slew of options flickr could entertain that could easily make EVERYONE happy, and that is all i ask to be considered. thank you.
oh, and free tibet ya morons!
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WHY? WHY? WHY?
Flickr was good and different because it Was a step above others, like youtube. it was artistic!! now we will be flooded with clips of teens doing stupid stuff. Oh joy
Please rethink this move
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Adding moving-images to flickr, takes away from still-frame photography as an art in the flickr environment, and has the proven ability to dissect.
How? How does it take away the 'art environment', when that 'art environment is entirely of yoru own creation? Flickr did not create an art photo site, it created a 'photo sharing site'. The emphasis on 'sharing' rather than 'photo' is just bigger than you thought.
It does not at all denigrate from the ethos of flickr - sharing. Your perception appears to be flawed. Flickr was never an 'art' site.
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kabeldag
takes away from still-frame photography as an art
I think you're deluding yourself if you think that the vast majority of photos uploaded to Flickr could be considered art. Flickr has never been about "still-frame photography as an art".
From the early days it's been about sharing photos. Now it's about sharing images.
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Bughouse I really dont think its fair to call zyrcster and walwyn as trollist, its a debate, they just happen to have a different oppinion to you.
If they were being trollist, they'd of spammed the blogs and told anyone to die if they didnt support videos.
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(I'm well-connected, yet outside of the US)
Apparently the US has abysmal connection speeds 3Mbps is considered super fast:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7329992.stm
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Brock types more quickly than me.
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Great, you get to call us morons but I am a "troll", even though none of my posts have attacked any other user.
I am not "incredulous" that anyone would oppose this, I just am hearing a lot of angst that may or may not be founded in reality.
Photos are still here -- millions of them -- your contacts and groups are up to you, and you can avoid video the same way you can avoid millions of lousy photos here.
I'm glad you're going to stick it out, though.
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RubyMae: I assumed they were telling the non-dissenters to go away, to make room for more dissenters. that's kind of funny.
"if I feel that my flickr experience has changed for worse (due to video) I will look for a better product. Why should I pay for a feature I don't want or need?"
That's valid, and I agree. Most of my concern with video has to do with the backend, how will it impact Flickr, the rest of Flickr. I'm relatively confident that they'll stay on top of speed/storage issues (I assume there was some significant investment in prep for this release, which probably led to the doubling of the photo size limit, too.) but I'm less so when it comes to the site-wide things that may get pushed back, to focus on video functions. Time will tell, indeed.
[edit: stubby: how about waiting to see if it happens. Since video is pro/paid only, and video porn is forbidden, I don't honestly expect to see this as much of an issue.]
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The only thing I'm really worried about is the pornographers on flickr using the video feature for their purposes.
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Personally, I've seen a LOT of flickering black screen today.
I agree with many others - the lack of video here is one reason I chose to be so active here. There are plenty of places to host video, and a partner site may have been a wonderful thing. Having this thrust upon us isn't so nice, though.
While the crap may not be here yet...it's soon to be, and the dregs will follow. I would have liked this place to remain pure, but then nothing ever does. Greed overtakes everything eventually.
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@DayDayDad: Flickr ... was artistic!!
Oh come on! When was the last time you looked at the most recent uploads to see what Flickr's really about.
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@marco - why do you think a changed environment is irrelevant?
Because you can remain free of video if you want to.
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Nori, How was Flickr "pure" to begin with? An honest question, no sarcasm.
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"@marco - why do you think a changed environment is irrelevant? still photography and videography are two completely different disciplines."
Be that as it may, this change still does not impact your use of the website so long as you aren't uploading videos. There is nothing you could do earlier that you can not do anymore with this new feature. Therefore, I see it as quite useless to bicker about it so much.
"1. it was originally, and last time i paid, a PHOTO site. sure it can change, but that is not the reason why i came here. in fact, the lack of video was a major reason i came here."
And it still is. There are about 2.4 billion photos on flickr. Allowing videos to also exist does not change that.
In fact, what exactly is a video? A sequence of lots and lots of photos! You should be ecstatic because of the large amounts of extra photos you can see now!
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zyrcster As I've stated before, no one is forcing me to watch video. But to avoid video, I must once again, narrow my use of flickr. Video is not adding to my flickr experience; it's taking away from it. If flickr stops being fun for me then I will not renew my account. As I've stated before, I'm not finding video to be very fun.
I understand that it's adding value for many customers. I am not one of those customers. Your reasons for finding it valuable are not sufficient for me.
I'm not losing sleep over this. This isn't the first time that a website I relied upon lost it's functionality for me. But I don't need to spend time, money and effort supporting a website that I no longer find useful.
It's disappointing but not the end of the world.
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Someone before mentioned Statistics ???
Here they are:
Recently Created Groups, and # of Members
FOR Video:
FlickrTube ~ 43 members
www.flickr.com/groups/flickrtube/
Flickr ADULT films~ 68 members
*( Here we go with the SMUT already!!!)*
www.flickr.com/groups/flickradultfilms/
Too HOT for YouTUBE ~ 269 members
(Again..more SMUT!!)
www.flickr.com/groups/750804@N22/
The VideoGroup ~ 128 members
www.flickr.com/groups/698354@N20/
90 seconds ~ 186 members
www.flickr.com/groups/90_seconds/
Video on Flickr ~232 members
www.flickr.com/groups/video_on_flickr/
Video, Video, Video, ~ 26 members
(Flickr's Highlighted group)
www.flickr.com/groups/video/
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Now, groups AGAINST Video:
We say NO to Videos on Flickr! ~ 16,334 members
(created 19 HOURS ago)
www.flickr.com/groups/no_video_on_flickr/
NO Video on Flickr ~ 6,684 members
(created 21 HOURS ago
www.flickr.com/groups/no_video/
Need I say More????
I think the statistics speak for themselves
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@zyrcster
"But *where* are these videos impacting your Flickr experience?"
Not saying that video is a good or a bad idea, but the staff's choice to add videos instead of working on "flickr ideas" issues has an impact on users' experience...
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Criz - it was a photo-sharing site - plain and simple. I don't wish to debate...just express my opinion, for what it's worth.
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I think it's much easier to complain about everything that changes than to embrace those changes and do something constructive with them.
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Terrible idea! They need to tar and feather the idiots that came up with the idea to add video. And for those of you who want to upload videos here's a link it's called youtube!
youtube.com/
get off Flickr
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I may not agree with zyrcster on this issue, but she's most certainly not a trollistic buffoon. Personal attacks will only get this thread locked. Can we please keep a civil tone?
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um. what statistics? You've shown some random sampling of groups. How about the number of video uploaded already? That would be a nice statistic.
You might find this shocking, but the vast majority of Flickr users don't use groups at all, don't even look at them. Hmm, that almost sounds like a metaphor for something.
by the way, that "adult video" group? It's for "moderate" content, which is PG13 (since that's all that's allowed). And currently, there's no videos posted.
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But to avoid video, I must once again, narrow my use of flickr.
I hear you, and believe you, but what are you having to do to narrow your Flickr experience? I know the 4 pages of videos bugged you. I think that's just a launch thing, myself.
I just refreshed Everyone's Photos 20x and didn't see one video. I saw two protest signs, though. I also saw 20 pages of mediocre photos, with a few sprinkles of great photography. It seems video is easier to avoid than mediocre photos.
And, amazingly, I found in a search a horrible HDR video. :(
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stubby42 "The only thing I'm really worried about is the pornographers on flickr using the video feature for their purposes. "
I don't think that the percentage of criminals on Flickr will suddenly increase because 90 second videos are now available. Only people who are willing to identify themselves with a credit card (what you have to do in order to get a pro account that has video privileges) will be able to post videos.
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@zyrcstr
argh - ok, *last*post for real.
apologies for my words (the morons! thing was a joke anyway) but your posts are all in a "get over it" tone. please, all i want is a way to opt out of ever seeing video. i guarantee it will soon be 50% vids on here, and of course i have the option of not viewing them, but suddenly my methods of finding what i want have been doubled (1/2 as many relevant-to-me thumbnails to screen). again - all i want is an OPTION of not seeing videos, nor ANYTHING video related when i visit. this should be exceedingly simple for the fine talented folks at flickr to accomplish. now, how can you possibly argue against that? you get your options, and i get mine. happy!
thanks for your time, sorry again for being an ass. now, time to log of and watch game 1 of the playoffs. GO AVS! hey, maybe i'll post a ton of video highlights when it's over.
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Not wanting to argue, but it's a photo sharing site that has also had screenshots and artwork on it for ever, neither of which are photos.
GooseGoddessS More statistics:
There now now 13,000 + videos on Flickr. That's 1000 more than a few hours ago.
www.flickr.com/search/?q=+&ss=2&ct=6&mt=video...
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I don't believe anyone is getting "cash for comment". Because, judging from the absence of staff through much of this topic, Flickr doesn't really seem to care what we think anyway! Heather, Kevin and Co. are saying, "Let them eat cake".
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Marco Wessel
I am not complaining, so please do NOT direct your comments at me. Thank you.
I am merely giving you the statistics.
I am NOT against Videos.
I don't think they are the *right* place for Flickr,
but I have been toying with the idea of uploading one myself.
I am simply expressing the feelings of the MANY members of Flickr,
as well as the groups I administrate,
who are clearly unhappy with the Video idea.
I do agree , however, that Videos have nothing to do with Photography, and should be kept seperate
(if not restricted to a member's stream, should Flickr keep this new option)
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Screenshots and artwork don't garner the same audience as video.
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"There now now 13,000 + videos on Flickr. That's 1000 more than a few hours ago."
And there are still 1846153 times as many photos to look at, give or take.
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bughouse your posts are all in a "get over it" tone.
No, not all of them are get over it posts. I have posted ideas a few pages back that I think both sides would agree would help make video on Flickr better for everyone. I have also encouraged criticism, so long as it isn't Video on Flickr Suxxors, and you all suck too!
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A search for videos
We found 12,970 results for videos.
I'd bet that not all 12, 970 are being uploaded for the two adult groups you were able to find.
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GooseGoddessS: "I am not complaining".
And that isn't what I said. Those 15000 people in the 'blah blah change is bad' groups are, though.
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Everyone, can we please dial back the agro?
Personal attacks will result in a time out from the forums on the "naughty mat." Posting in the forum is a privilege and not a right of both free and pro accounts.
We're cool to hear feedback, but if we're on the express train to trout slapping land, we have to take a time out.
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by the way, that "adult video" group? It's for "moderate" content, which is PG13
Actually I think its going to be pretty hard for anyone to manage 'moderate' video that contains any level of nudity.
And yes you'll need a pro account, so if you are flouting the rules it could start to get expensive.
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Screenshots and artwork don't garner the same audience as video.
And video on Flickr doesn't garner the same type of crap on YouTube. I have a few of the same videos on both Flickr and YouTube. My Flickr comments on those videos range from funny to sweet to just cool. My YouTube comments are a barrage of nonsense and spam that I continually have to delete.
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Interestingly enough, Heather's video is the most interesting at the moment.
*edited useless stuff out.*
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Yes, no trout-slapping here! There's TBG for that.
Video is okay in my book. I just don't think it should be hosted on a PAID photography site. That's not what we signed up for...although I won my account, so technically can't bitch. ;)
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Nori: Screenshots and artwork don't garner the same audience as video.
So it's not a question of principle, it's a question of ...
Well what is it a question of? What I like against what I don't like?
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Criz, you just made my point for me:
My Flickr comments on those videos range from funny to sweet to just cool. My YouTube comments are a barrage of nonsense and spam that I continually have to delete.
Let's talk again in six months. LOL!
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It's been 15 pages and at least 1000 replies since I last commented in this thread. Since then I've uploaded my first video and I love how it integrates with my photostream and sets.
As others have said, there is and will always be a large percentage of stuff on Flickr or any user content driven website which others find of no interest... or even find to be rubbish.
What both Flickr, and more importantly Flickr's user communities, have always been good at is setting up groups, tagging things, and making it easier to find the gems amongst all the junk. This was true with photos and I have faith that it will be the same with video clips.
I signed on for a way to have a secondary backup of my photos and share them with friends and family, and now for the same price I get to upload unlimited video clips too? What's not to like?
There's always a huge backlash every time Flickr does anything. Either about the fact that something was done or about the way that it was done. A seemingly large number of users always tout that they hate the change and some of those even vow that they are leaving, and probably even some who actually do.
In the long run it's always been a good thing for the majority of users, most of which are so happy with how Flickr's services are working for them that they can't be bothered to come to the forum.
I suppose my post takes on an air of "get over it", but then as I read most of the posts in this thread... that's the three words that keep coming to my mind. :-)
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zyrcster I don't look at Everyone's photos. I do look at my contacts page, and nearing 50% of my contacts most recent uploads are video. I wasn't joking about having a fair number of beta-testers as contacts, either.
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Let's talk again in six months. LOL!
OK, but by then I think I'll be even more enamored with video. As the admin and a mod of two video groups already, I have an opportunity to help shape how video looks on Flickr, hopefully for the better.
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I'm done with the bickering and bantering here. It's obvious my opinion doesn't count in this matter anyhow. Toodles!
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we're on the express train to trout slapping land Right there - that's something that would work so much better as a moving image.
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Oh, and as for you personally, I think you'll do great things with video, Criz! :)
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RubyMae: obviously this being all shiney and new, there's going to be a bit of a larger amount of videos posted by people a) trying it out (notice my shit-tastic 3gp upload) and b) remembering they have some old stuff they'd like to show (notice my timelapse). I'm confident that will slow down during the next few days.
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RubyMae Yea, I know, and that would bug me too.
I posted a very cool set of ideas earlier. I wondered what you thought of them. If you have time. They are easier to find in the Flickr Ideas thread, though.
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A video group for what is in your fridge - crap.
As the creator of Flickr's very first Fridget video, I ....
oh, never mind.
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RubyMae: Then clearly 50% of your contacts want video, yet you'd rather hamper their experience by denying them that option, rather than simply just ignore the little arrow symbol?
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Most of my contacts are looking for a new site to post pictures. I think videos will ruin Flickr.
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No videos on Flickr!! If I wanted videos I would go to youtube. I come to Flickr for the pictures and to meet other photographers!
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I did see your refrigerator video, Criz. It was quite cute.
Like I said here...or perhaps somewhere else (LOL!), I don't mind video per se - I just would have liked it to remain elsewhere other than Flickr. For me, a link worked fine.
I also liked the professional aspect of a photography community.
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@zyrcster
They're great ideas, and I hope at least some of them will be implemented.
What I regret is that all the time they take to implement this video thing is time they don't use to improve other details, to work on other requests...
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"Heather, Kevin and Co. are saying, "Let them eat cake". "
anthony: I don't think they're saying that. But if they are, I think they'd really like you to film yourself eating cake, and post it on Flickr.
Clearly they're still lurking about, but they may not have much to offer at this stage. First there was "denial", then clearly, and currently still, "anger". But I'd gauge we're nearing the "bargaining" stage. That's when they can probably have more input.
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I was just about to pay for this great site. Now I think it just died.
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A partner site would be nice in the spirit of reconciliation.
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So much for being done...but now I am (although I reserve the right to lurk). ;)
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Brenda, I think my computer is having issues. I'll watch your video after I reinstall Macromedia flash. Oh wait, I'm in the wrong thread. *goes to video bug thread*
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"I also liked the professional aspect of a photography community."
You went to the wrong place to start with, then. Flickr was never `professional', even though the paid account might be called `pro'.
Ack, the clock says 3:31 am is really really bedtime. *puts away his trout*.
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Oh...but that 5-second black screen between refreshes forced me back! Just this once.
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What I regret is that all the time they take to implement this video thing is time they don't use to improve other details, to work on other requests...
Well, projects do have to get shuffled.
On the bright side, we have a new uploader, we have double the file size for photos now, and we can set content types and filters on group pools.
I also liked the professional aspect of a photography community.
And that still exists. There are still 1000s of photographers on Flickr. Good ones.
But there have also always been the more casual amateur photographer. With so-so photos. Do they not belong here either? Do they make Flickr less "pure"? I'd have a hard time getting behind that argument.
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Obviously - but luckily, I didn't ask you to.
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Videos, photos, illustrations, pah.
The real interest in Flickr is in the discussion threads =0p
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I don't believe anyone is getting "cash for comment". Because, judging from the absence of staff through much of this topic, Flickr doesn't really seem to care what we think anyway! Heather, Kevin and Co. are saying, "Let them eat cake".
Marie Antoinette I am not. I think we've responded to constructive critcism throughout and we're definitely pow wowing here back at Flickr HQ. That said, these forums topics are like surfing a wild tsunami and feedback that we do provide can easily be lost.
I've been with the team through a variety of feature launches that have brought change to the community. Through it all, we've been hear listening to feedback, making change where necessary to make Flickr better. We want to hear your feedback and I think that for the most part, we take all comers.
Personally, the emerging side of feedback that's become almost abusive via protest images in comments leaves me mostly speachless (and I'm a talker). But we understand that it's important for people to have their say. We haven't implemented any sort of "clean up" tool for this, leaving it up to individuals to determine what they are comfortable with within their own photostream.
I'm not sure what to say to those who don't want peanut butter in their chocolate (so to speak). Video is now part of the Flickr DNA and while we will definitely be addressing some of the great feedback for ways that the implementation can be massaged towards better things, we're not pulling up stakes and rolling back. When we're ready, we'll share those changes with you hear (if you've seen any of Dunstan and I tripping overourselves regarding video in Explore, you'll appreciate that we want to have our ducks in a row).
We have a wonderfully passionate community and whether your imagery moves or stays still appears to be divisive. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I was very much against it when I heard that it was on the road map. If I had my way, I'd chuck all things digitial (even your beautiful DSLR) and dial the flickrverse back to all things film. That's not going to happen. I have to respect that there will be change and that the flickrverse is really a multiverse of people all who have different ideas of how they want to share the world around them.
Just as there are more megapixels now than there even a few years ago, I think that how we capture both still and moving is going to change dramatically over the next few years. Including video within Flickr will enable those who choose to....
I think I've gone off on a tangent, but as I began this post with Marie Anne I am not, I want to finish that we're about being inclusive. While there are a few rough edges that need to be polished out, I think that in the long run, video on Flickr is a wondeful complement what's been built so far.
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What I regret is that all the time they take to implement this video thing is time they don't use to improve other details, to work on other requests...
Perhaps in the old days, when there were fewer members of the team, yes. But we're at a size now where we're developing new features in parallel. There's more good stuff coming.
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nope, I would prefer Flickr limit itself to still photography. I believe the addition of video is what has been slowing down my Flickr experience (and I know it's not my internet connection...). I think Flickr is "known" for the spectacular photography, and video splits the focus too much.
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I'm gonna yell PIE in a flickr minute. Or perhaps 90 seconds...which now has become a buzzword.
Lies, Damn lies and then there's statistics.
Big deal 15,000 or 15 million videos. It doesn't change the fact that video is a slippery slope. I guess video is here to stay. Let's all just belly up to the bar or go belly up. The Lowest Common Denominator wins as usual. Maybe we should all take a trip to Disneyland and give the masses what they want huh? Pretty pictures tied up in bows and all the butt kissing and game playing at being the most popular.
I don't even know when to start or where to start doing those things. I do what I do and so be it. Let the chips fall where they may. So what if I don't get as many views or comments as some of the Popular Kids in school. Eh..whatever.
Have a nice day.
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More good stuff coming...oh, shit. ;)
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flickr can't be bothered to fix comment notification so it doesn't repeatedly blurt out that I've got NEW COMMENTS.
And flickr won't give us options to format the screen background so I can try a nice black or charcoal gray background with understated caption colors that don't scream for attention. Anything but the minimalist Web 2.0 nightmare that is the current color scheme.
But flickr will give us 90-seconds of video that apparently very few people want (and of those who want their minute-and-a-half of fame, far fewer know what to do with it).
But I'm not upset--and y'know why?
Because flickr LOVES ME!! It says so right on the logo.
And you always hurt the one's you love.
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This is the worse idea EVER! Bringing video to Flickr is like bringing a stripper to a 4 year old's birthday party, it doesn't belong. Who ever thought this up should be fired, sent to a deserted island and banned from humanity before they screw something else beautiful up.
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... why do they also have ads.
I was with you up until the Microsoft/Vista analogy. You're right, Microsoft hasn't asked me. Which is why I'm buying a Mac for my next computer (which is a purchase I hope to be making sooner than later).
But stubby42 said the !% pro users were carrying the whole burden. Surely some of that ad money is going to help pay for infrastructure, etc.
Going back to your request on the other page - you keep asking us to show you where the crap is. I've refrained from doing so because I don't want to get finger pointy. And "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder. So what's crap to me, may be riveting for you. For me, almost every video in the video video video group is crap. The four pages uploaded last night by one of my contacts, was pure and utter crap. A video group for what is in your fridge - crap.
You didn't get your 
Great, you get to call us morons but I am a "troll", even though none of my posts have attacked any other user.
But to avoid video, I must once again, narrow my use of flickr. 
stubby42 "The only thing I'm really worried about is the pornographers on flickr using the video feature for their purposes. "
Not wanting to argue, but it's a photo sharing site that has also had screenshots and artwork on it for ever, neither of which are photos.
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