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Pig headed mmmmm...i used to think that too but after studying their photos for longtime refined that label to "seriously resolved".
Heres a thought Ian....the entire upside to the internet is it diminishes real world borders and we all hold hands. There are no borders because theres no physical entities. A giant brain of i am he, as u are we, and we are all together.,...to quote abby road.
None of this has to happen but didn't the Berlin wall come down through redundacy? I think it lost its meaning as we met on a pure intelectual plane and saw the normal person is the same anywhere in their thought. The net is only one mind and people disapear becoming neurons, linked. Theres a prob and we the brain surgeons. We need to reconnect the neurons so entire brain works, not laser that part out. Chemotheropy is the words.
Actual Ian u are the pighead trying to justify your own proclimation of pighead by referrences to him being impolite. In reality he is in your own brain, a cell. You are suffering great turmoil and should really see the Flickr therapist.
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iansand abuse and unpleasantness is counter-productive when you are asking for something to be done for you. [...] How many times have you used the simple word "please", or "bitte"?
Personally, I would certainly not have hit the "post now" button for quite some postings in this thread and others. And I feel sorry for everybody who was attacked in an unfair way, be it staff or anyone else.
But you will not seriously ask me or anyone else to plead "please flickr, please may I kindly ask you to withdraw your one sided change to the contract we have"?
Yes, I am here, a paying customer and yes, I demand that this one sided change of TOS is limited to the degree absolutely necessary to comply with German Jugendschutz or whatever law. And yes, I demand in advance clear notice in such cases. But I am able to put what I have to say into words without insult and I demand that others do the same or to have them pushed gently back to track.
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The Mainzelmann QED.
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Their persistence and their pig-headed inability to consider anything from a point of view other than their's.
What Ian, is that...... scroll bar is on the right.
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My pro banner dissappeared because I didn't renew my membership. I'm not giving money to a company that behaves the way Flickr has done and is still doing.
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I was understanding that from what you had posted before. My pro ist only still there after flickrs one sided contract violation because I have several hundred images distributed via guest passes and I do not want to bother people with new links.
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I renewed mine cause Flickr loves me so have to feed the thing
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i still *do* care (though i don't read all the posts here, and persume that most of them are repetitions of things, said a thousand times).
what really strikes me, is the inability of flickr-staff to participate.
not that i think, that they should be engaged in the the whole discussion, a statement every now and then would suffice...
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The right statement and the discussion may immediately end. The wrong statement and it can end either. But please, flickr, avow yourself!
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Why should flickr "avow" itself? Walking up to another round of abuse is never an attractive thought.
You people just don't get it, do you? Staff are people. Probably much nicer people than you. Demands and abuse are counter-productive for them as they are for you.
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The logical answer seems to be that there is no "right statement" that they could make, or else they likely would have. If status quo is to be kept (if they have no solution coming, if ever) then a statement on that status quo will go no further in an immediate end to discussion. I suspect the reverse would in fact occur.
It does make me wonder what the Flickr Launch Anniversary Party will look like in Berlin, next year.
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In German we say: Keine Antwort ist auch eine Antwort. Means: No answer is an answer too.
In fact, Flickr did answer. They - unofficially an sometimes very slowly - refunded people. Would they do, if they really intended to do something? Like thinking about other solutions for what they fear might be a problem? Nope.
We've reached status quo.
I was sad when I felt Flickr had died. But well... I don't shed tears for Censr/Filtr.
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That's not necessarily a logical conclusion. If current status is long-term, then it constitutes a significant change in the nature of the service that many signed up to. They may have been both legally obligated in many jurisdictions, and felt it was the proper thing to do themselves, to offer refunds to anyone who felt the service was no longer what they signed up for.
similar to how most services will offer refunds if there's a significant "outage". It doesn't mean the outage is permanent, just that it is significant enough to warrant enumeration.
It may be permanent, but just not necessarily so.
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The searcher: I respectfully beg to differ. Unfortunately they did NOT offer refunds to "anyone who felt the service was no longer what they signed up for" - I wish they had.
As a matter of fact, only the squeaky wheels got the grease. My request for a refund was denied.
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really? what was the consideration? It seemed like everyone commenting about requesting a refund for their service becoming truncated, barring a delay or error, got one. What was the reason for the denial?
I mean, I know the refund was a pointless exercise in symbolism, but it appeared that Flickr was willing to give with the gesture anyway.
Don't tell me you weren't in the affected area...
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Flickr's never said publicly that refunds were available to those that requested such specifically because of this issue.
No Refunds is still the official policy.
We are continuing to actively evaluate various technical options, including exploring whether there is a way we can verify users' age which would meet the very high standards set by German law, and which would offer additional choice to our members in Germany.
EOM
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@ The Searcher, the reason for denial, as I received it via help mail:
Hi Barbara
Unfortunately, the refund opportunity was only offered to those with Yahoo! IDs that were affected by the change in Filters implementation. With that, I am afraid the offer is not extended further in this case.
And yes, even in my request I stated specifically that I knew they would not give refunds in general, but ...
As you say, it's the symbolism and the gesture that count, NOT the money. Because of that, I have asked for a reconsideration.
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So you're saying you weren't part of the affected areas, Germany and collateral countries under the affected European domain? Yah symbolic or not, it doesn't make much sense to extend refunds to people that aren't subject to the new restrictions. Not liking the political or community turn a site takes, isn't the same as your services being significantly changed.
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for those still feeling persecuted, the last response on China GFW blocking was on 11 June. correct me if I'm wrong, but that actually predates the german issue, yes?
Update from Flickr staff [3](11 June 23:30 PDT): We know images from Flickr are still blocked and definitely care very much about our friends who cannot access pictures. We have been contacting people to hopefully get a positive resolution with restoration of photos, but this of course has not happened yet. The Flickr team is very sorry for this continued issue and will update you when we have more to share.
with so many things to fix...it all comes down to a matter of priorities, doesn't it? join the queue, we're all in it.
personally, I've been waiting for an update of "Groups We've Noticed" for at least a year...
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What about that offer refunds to anyone who felt the service was no longer what they signed up for bit?
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iansand: Yes, I am German.
Even though you might not believe it, because until now I didn't participate in all this hoopla. And I further don't intend to do so.
The Searcher: Initially I was answering your statement that Flickr offered refunds to everyone who didn't feel they received the service the account was paid for.
I am effected, because I am part of the German community. Every one of them could have gotten a Y!.com id, yet they choose to ask for a refund or let their pro accounts expire. I don't intend to further discuss the matter here, as I don't want to put more oil in the fire.
Once and for all I would like to make clear that I always had and still have great respect for (most of) Flickr's employees. I was embarrassed by the way some Germans were personally attacking them, that's why I didn't actively participate in any discussions about this matter.
I hate personal attacks, and (this is for you, iansand) I will not feed trolls. So I am again waiting for an official decision. Hope is always last to die ...
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But Pandarine , abuse is always unpleasant, particularly being called a troll.
I have been deliberately confrontational in this thread to make a point about the ineffectiveness of confrontation. Something I have pointed out many, many times. Unfortunately people only see what they want to see. They appear unable to empathise with staff to try to achieve a desired outcome. People like The Mainzelmann resort to demands, even now, as if that will achieve something. Surely, by now, it is time for Plan B?
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And like you and Mainzelmann are going to resolve this issue.....
I can see the entire corporate Yahoo lawyers and the German government on the edge of their seats in anticipation of the outcome of this great debate.
Its pretty well resolved in comment # 1834 ....2165 makes lotta sense too. Whats plan B go shoot some pics? That be good, sunshine, fresh air, birds singing.....gets the mind working....
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Omsel Off you go, then. Have a talk to the pixies on the way.
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Thank you for your input, Pandarine. I can understand your position and appreciate your setting aside (for just a bit, at least) your reluctance to participate here at this juncture.
I wish you well in prompting Flickr to reconsider your request.
Hope is, indeed, the last to die.
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Omsel and Mainzelmann are going to resolve this issue
Hey Omsel, I am not the platform provider and so the issue is actually not mine to solve. It would be different would it be an open, community driven platform. But it is not.
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Pretty much wasn't from the moment Yahoo bought in, was it? Certainly might have still seemed that way, but it stopped being community-driven, and became dollar-driven as soon as Yahoo stumped up the bucks.
And now that Yahoo Photos is gone, it will become more so.
Yep, while Stewart (note correct spelling...) et al were running the show, it was pretty hunky-dory. Now Yahoo can pretty much foist any dopey crap they like on we users, and there's sod-all we or Staff can do about it...
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Um. Being German isn't a prerequisite for a refund. Lots of German's in Nebraska, but the blocking of "restricted" images to people in Germany is the bit that constitutes a change in service. If you aren't in the affected areas, you aren't suffering from blocking of any kind, right along with the rest of us. It's still worth arguing to Flickr if you're suffering from, if not blocking, then disenchantment.
I just don't think disenchantment is considered a change of service.
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Yahoo’s New President Oversees a Shake-Up
Any chance of being spun-off by Yahoo?
Please, please, please...
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One thing that's been nagging me, am I the only one that's bothered by this thread (opened by Stewart) being called "German Safesearch settings"? Should't it be more accurately be labeled "German ID Filter settings"?
The way it is now it looks like it's only an issue of search results, which it isn't. ...Not to mention the the significant unannounced change of TOS...
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Marianne Perdomo The wrong name? Now that's an issue to really get excited about. Is there no end to the perfidy of Stewart?
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@ The Searcher, in case you overlooked these parts of my answer, let me repeat them. I wrote:
Initially I was answering your statement that Flickr offered refunds to everyone who didn't feel they received the service the account was paid for.
This is not so, and I simply told you about it.
I don't intend to further discuss the matter here, as I don't want to put more oil in the fire.
Can you understand (and please respect) that? If not, I would be more than happy to provide a German translation ;-)
And now let's all have a good day, before we "suffer" too much and (heavens forbid!) get "disenchanted" ...
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Flickr will offer refunds to some folks, upon request, who feel the service is no longer what they signed up for.
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Flickr will offer refunds to some folks, upon request, if the user lives in the affected areas.
Pick your poison.
Either, way, Flickr’s never said publicly that either is valid.
BTW, users worldwide are subject to the new restrictions. Each and every restricted, flagged image now has reduced visibility.
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"Each and every restricted, flagged image now has reduced visibility."
No. They really don't. In fact unless you're in an affected area that includes Germany, images with "moderate" and "restricted" flags now have much expanded visibility.
I'm not sure which Flickr you used before the filter system started, but the Flickr I was subject too required that all of my artwork remain either private, or NIPSA (out of public search and areas). That is no longer the case.
More to your incorrect assertion, any image that is now public, flagged as either "moderate" or "restricted, was six months ago required to be private.
That means "private", as in completely invisible from everyone, except contacts and group members.
Private.
The use or misuse of the filters has demonstrably resulted in restrictions for some. But for the, and I say this with absolute lack of hyperbole, for the vast majority of Flickr users, the filters mean that they now get to see literally millions more images than they could before.
That's pretty much the complete opposite of "reduced visibility".
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pandarine: good luck with that. I don't think you have a technical leg to stand on, as far as services made available to you that are no longer available (if you aren't in Germany). But if you're still discussing it with them, I'd recommend pushing the people angle. You're German, a lot of the reason you came here was for the varied German friends and photographers using the service. When that service changed, a section of the community was essentially forced to leave, which directly affected your experience here. Under normal circumstances a web service wouldn't be responsible for the content or community as part of their "service", they just couldn't guarantee such a thing.
But I think you could argue pretty well that their truncating of service for some was the direct cause of a chunk of community leaving, and that chunk was a primary reason for you to be here.
Kind of like if they banned kittens. All the kitten photographers would leave, but then people who joined Flickr just to see kittens, I think should be offered the same refund, even tho they weren't directly affected. It's not part of the legalese in YahooTOS, but the real actual people sitting in San Fran, I think they'd get it.
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Balderdash.
Lack of German viewership = reduced visibility.
Restricted images can not have worldwide exposure, because of the current SafeSearch implementation.
I used the Flickr that was +$40 / year, not that it matters.
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I believe I included that caveat ["unless you are in the affected areas"]. However you weren't speaking of Germany, you were speaking of the global globe. If you want to go straight math, then many millions of images are available to many millions more users now, even after subtracting those who can't view "restricted" images.
"restricted" images make up an apparently teeny-tiny percentage of total images available on Flickr (George mentioned it someplace back there, like 1%? little more, little less?) so blocking all of Germany from seeing "restricted" images, still doesn't come close to the new wider availability of previously "private" images, "moderate" and "restricted", available to everyone else.
I'm not trying to belittle the largely symbolic issue here. Just trying to say, if you're NOT in the affected can't-see-restricted-images areas, then you get to see a lot more now than you did six months ago.
but your more recent statement, more accurate. Restricted image can not have worldwide exposure, this is true. Worse irony I think, is that those who cannot see restricted images, can still upload them for the world to see. Not sure I'd call that a "feature" though.
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If the current localized SafeSearch restrictions were better implemented, more users could see certain content.
Ergo, today we have reduced visibility.
No worldwide exposure = reduced visibility.
All users, worldwide, are subject to this downgrade.
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oy. it appeared in your original statement that you were comparing our current level of visibility to the level pre-filters. In which case you would be flat out wrong, with the millions of images freed from the bondage of "private" that the filters allowed.
However, if you are simply referring to the difference between pre-German blocking and post-German blocking, then yes, as I handed to you just up there, there's less visibility for "restricted" flagged images for some.
Which is sort of an obvious observation, which is why I guess I assumed you were talking about something else.
That last bit I think is what throws me: "All users, worldwide, are subject to this downgrade."
That's the not true part. Why would you say such a thing? When it can so easily be demonstrated as false? I can see all content that every Flickr member makes available to me. So can MOST people worldwide. So quite simply, all users are absolutely not subject to this blocking event.
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1. My apologies, but my original comment users worldwide are subject to the new restrictions referred to the topic-at-hand, localized SafeSearch, not NIPSA or filters in general. Sorry for not being more clear.
2. It's not just about what you can see, but who can see you. The downgrade that impacts all users worldwide is that you've now lost some of your potential audience, because of the localized SafeSearch restrictions.
That's why this is problem is not just confined to "those people."
And that's why Flickr should have a more progressive policy in place for folks looking for some kind of refund. You know, those who feel the service is no longer what they signed up for.
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If I may digress into the personal for a moment, I have lost none of my potential audience because I do not post restricted images. Nor, if what The Searcher says is correct about the percentage of restricted images, have 99% of flickr users.
Sure, a few Germans have left in dudgeon of various altitudes, but how many have really left?
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Flickr may be able tell you how many users have stalled accounts or removed their account but I guess they won't. It was rumor that Ipernity had hundreds on new users per day at times, but I guess they won't tell you either. And it would not help much because disappointed flickr users (not necessarily from Germany) have left to various destinations.
And it does not matter whether one will continue to see 99% of the content one saw before. Or, as The Searcher puts it: I'm not trying to belittle the largely symbolic issue here.
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I think few have left in the sense that they have deleted their account - but I lost contacts who's pro account is still running, but just don't use it anymore, others post pictures now both on Flickr and an Ipernity - I think they are just waiting to see how the "We are continuing to actively evaluate various technical options,..." will pan out, while at the same time testing new waters.
Personally, I have opened up an account with ipernity as one of my favourite contacts has moved over to it ... and was rather surprised to see so many familiar faces.
I don't think Flickr will have noticed a drop in users, but the influx of Flickr people on Ipernity is definitely visible...
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As a result of the current implementation of localized SafeSearch,
And if the 1% number is correct,
Flickr has over 90,000 users worldwide who've lost a portion of their viewership.
Over 12 million planet-spanning images now have downgraded visibility.
Over 20,000 audience-limited images are uploaded globally every day.
Impacted users likely live in Canada, Australia, Sweden, France, England, Italy, Portugal, etc.
This is not a symbolic issue.
This is not merely an issue for a few Germans.
This is not a problem confined to "those people."
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[edit] never mind ... move along :)
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yes it is.
Because for that 90,000 that now can't see "Resticted" images, there are still 9 MILLION people who now can. Each of those 20,000 images (to use that average number) uploaded would have otherwise (pre safesearch) been private.
So 90,000 are blinded, while 9 million are now allowed to see. It's not symbolic. But it is clearly not as you attempt to describe it. Quite the opposite in fact.
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over 90,000 users worldwide who've lost a portion of their viewership
even accepting your numbers, only 90,000? ho-hum.
thank you--exactly why this is such a low-priority issue.
please flickr, first focus your efforts on restoring visibility to the hundreds of millions being blocked in mainland China.
after that, our German friends deserve some respect. ;-)
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I didn't say that 90,000 users couldn't see restricted content.
I said that (if the 1% number is correct) 90,000 users (and 12 million images) have lost a portion of their audience.
And the folks (and images) that have lost a portion of their audience span the globe. They're certainly not all German.
It's not only what YOU can see, but who can see YOU (and images you've posted).
C'mon, even Flickr realizes that this is a problem.
I'm sure some day, they'll fix it. The whole concept here is sharing, right?
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I thought the concept here was making irrational demands using the rudest possible language and having a continuous tantrum until those demands are met.
I must have turned right at Albuquerque...
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I said that (if the 1% number is correct) 90,000 users (and 12 million images) have lost a portion of their audience.
So only a portion of 1% of images/viewer stats have been affected then?
(ignoring the fantasy statistics being quoted, and the fact that there is no quantification of 'portion'. It may be a further 1% of 1%.)
Hmmm. Something about 'a portion of 1%' strikes me as little reason to start pushing red buttons and screaming urgency to remedy the situation...
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Well, Brock, I don't know if it's .01% or 100%. Maybe Flickr will tell you if you really wanna know.
The fact is, plenty of people worldwide have had their service downgraded as a result of the current localized SafeSearch implementation. At least 12 million images (if the stat provided by The Searcher upthread is correct) now have lost a portion of their audience.
What of this screaming, rudest language, tantrums bit? That stuff's long gone.
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the upside is, those 12 million (assuming my made up stat is correct) have gained a much greater portion of their audience as a result of the same "feature". So they lose a few, gain a bunch.
Those few that lost, is an issue. But using math to argue doesn't help, because it's a net gain for overall global view any way you look at it. You're better off arguing that no matter how few it affects, no matter how many more people can see once-hidden images now, doesn't change the fact that some small portion now cannot.
it'll keep us off these side-tracks. wouldn't want this topic running off the rails or anything. It's had such a sharp focus up till now.
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The stats aren't an issue for me at all...that's not where I started.
What I wanted to illustrate was really a different point related to how worldwide the issue is...
You see, some folks say, It’s just a German problem, talk to your lawmakers. You buncha pervs, find a place that suits your lot. I have no problem, I don’t look at / upload restricted content.
But this ain’t just a German issue. There are plenty of folks, worldwide, who share many, many pictures, who’ve lost the ability to share their images with the global audience that Flickr draws.
That’s a downgrade in the service that they signed up for. And it happens in every timezone, ‘round the world.
And this entire “side-track” was prompted by a comment regarding users requesting refunds and what was proper.
We heard They may have been both legally obligated in many jurisdictions, and felt it was the proper thing to do themselves, to offer refunds to anyone who felt the service was no longer what they signed up for.
That evolved to it doesn't make much sense to extend refunds to people that aren't subject to the new restrictions.
(I’m not linking to those quoted comments as I’m not meaning any of this to be personal…they easily could’ve come from several participants in this discussion)
But many, many people (number undetermined, but many, many) all round-the-world are impacted by the current implementation of localized SafeSearch (in that they’ve lost a portion of their audience). And that's why Flickr should have a more progressive policy in place for folks looking for some kind of refund.
(Re: lost a potion of their audience. Yes, I get that the new filter system liberated a number of images from the ghetto of NIPSA, etc. But the simple fact is, if legal-aged Germans could also see restricted images, their audience would certainly be even larger.)
(Also, let’s lose the canards re: hysterics, tantrums, screaming, perfidy, demands, abuse, ravening horde, aggression, etc. You may be remembering some actions by some folks when this issue was white-hot, but those days and those postings are a thing of the past.)
Flickr will be a better place when they put this issue fully behind them.
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The problem flickrlovesme , is that I remember the abuse. Perhaps flickr does too. Perhaps that response affects the priority given to rectification. It would if I was doing the rectification. Which is why you should be encouraging people to stop demanding things, like refunds and compensation and whatever The Mainzelman wants this week.
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My wish for the week would be to have one week without flaming and insulting from iansand. I could be fulfilled by iansand or by flickr :-) And because I did neither insult nor abuse anyone of them, I see no reason why they could not fulfill it.
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That's a new one. What does it have to do with Germany or Safesearch?
I wonder if staff got sick of the attacks and insults? Probably not. They are not human beings. But maybe you are beginning to understand why making "demands" (that was last week, in case you have forgotten) won't really help.
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Not new, in fact. But when paging back I found a this post from heather. So maybe flickr does me the favor if you don't...
And I really do not care whether demands will help or not. Flickr broke their contract with me and not vice versa. So I continue to demand they row back, of course. When I have to demand too long, they will loose another customer. Easy.
What evidence do you have that flickr staff are not human beings?
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Re. The Searcher's comment, quote:
That's the not true part. Why would you say such a thing? When it can so easily be demonstrated as false? I can see all content that every Flickr member makes available to me. So can MOST people worldwide. So quite simply, all users are absolutely not subject to this blocking event.
Maybe you understand better now, that there is obvious proof that your own photos are effected, just like everyone else's?
I do NOT want to attack you, please understand. I just want to show you a point of view you "might" have overlooked.
Thank you for you other comment addressed at me. Yes, that about sums it up.
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Sometimes our personal concerns have to be put aside to do what work demands. I know from experience. So past abuse by some extremist protesters is no excuse for ignoring this issue for so long.
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Bumb ... only to make shure, nobody thinks this is getting forgotten :)
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Dear Flickr,
may I kindly ask you withdraw your one-sided, un-announced change of our contract by replacing forced "safe search" to yahoo.de accounts with the absulote minimum of filtering which is required by German law. The term "minimum" applies to both the affected users and the restricted photos by terms of any applicable law.
I am willing to accept the overdone forced application of the sage search filter as an temporary emergency workaround should this replacement be done by end of the month.
Yours,
The Mainzelmann
Posted 28 months ago.
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shouldn't be any problem with that. I'm sure implementing a valid age verification system across all of Yahoo's internet properties (Yahoo would require that any such system be in place for all of its offerings, which of course would require engineering support of dozens of departments and sites), but only functional in the countries that require it, could be whipped out in a month.
Posted 27 months ago.
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I knew you work for flickr ;-)
No need, btw to work his out in a month. There have two moths been passing with busy work on the issue, as sewart posted on top of the thread (and heather somewhere else). So I do not hesitate to assume that a team as bright as flickrs will figure out such a tiny issue in a quarter of a year. Even when it turns out to be difficult to establish a adaequate solution, this is no reason to break a contract. And not in that way.
Posted 27 months ago.
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*cough*
Posted 27 months ago.
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Well, flickr-staff how's work progressing?
Posted 27 months ago.
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Squeak.
Squeak.Squeak.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Ian also working for flickr - cool.
Why is the badge missing in the logo of some staff? :-)
Posted 27 months ago.
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Good morning, flickr staff!
Posted 27 months ago.
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Hi flickr,
another morning raises in force-filtered Germany. Great opportunity for you to keep the promise of stewart on top of the thread and present us the better solution you have been working on for such a long time. As you have constantly refused to post here in the mean time, I assume you have been busy to devlop the solution. I am now really curious how you have worked it out.
Pls let us know.
Best,
The Mainzelmann
Posted 27 months ago.
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I'm surprised that there has not been a rush of people escaping from German oppression.
Posted 27 months ago.
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No one oppressed by Germany there days. This time we are the opressed. Has anyone pointed out the Australian legal situation to flickr already?
Posted 27 months ago.
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I'm sure The Mainzelman is quite aware of the facts:
Stewart and his Filtr-Staff never ever spoiled a single tought about some better solution. They let complainers go (even offering refunds which are excluded by TOS) and they know even this thread will disappear some day.
Stewart and his Filtr-Staff don't care about users. Censorship is pretty cool for them - as long a they get their Yahoo-Bonus at the end of the year.
Remember: When Flickr got bought by Yahoo it stopped being a web 2.0 community. It became something completeley different: a web 1.0 business.
Money != Emotion.
Posted 27 months ago.
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;-)
Posted 27 months ago.
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"it stopped being a web 2.0 community. It became something completeley different: a web 1.0 business."
But that's not something completely different. It's the same thing. Give or take a bit of marketing puffery.
Posted 27 months ago.
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mdavidford:
Agreed, you got me there. I was using the same marketing rubbi..err! speak ;-)
Read: it stopped being a community of photo enthusiasts. It became something completeley different: a plain business.
Posted 27 months ago.
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At least some communication should be done (like 'they' also priomised).
Hello, flickr, something new out'a there?
Posted 27 months ago.
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Would you be happier if someone from staff posted "Fuck off, losers"?
Just a thought. I would never say anything that pertinent.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Last week I asked for a flame free week. Thanks for obeying it. But it would not have been strictlly necessary to fall back into the old bahaviour that soon...
Posted 27 months ago.
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Let's start a new week on this ... maybe we get some more news this time ;)
Posted 27 months ago.
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Two very good suggestions I have to say
Posted 27 months ago.
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... and one very promising reaction. Unfortunately only one...
Posted 27 months ago.
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Just talk amongst yourself for a while.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Correction: none.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Well, before it was "none" but now, it's "one" again ;-)
Posted 27 months ago.
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*bump*
Posted 27 months ago.
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I will see your bump and raise you a bumpity bump.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Is it better to have a thread like this in the help forum, or would it be better if the Flickr blog had a once-a-month update on known issues / bugs / fixes?
Or is it even better to have both?
Posted 27 months ago.
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Better than what? This thread has been completely futile for several months. Apart from laughs, of course.
Posted 27 months ago.
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Better than not having either...or not having both, silly...
Did you want to answer?
Posted 27 months ago.
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We are continuing to actively evaluate various technical options, ...
Something new discovered in almost 3 months time, flickr staff?
Posted 27 months ago.
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Still nothing??
Posted 27 months ago.
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@urb256: Nope, the Magic Donkey apparently hasn't found a proper solution yet.
Btw: Ipernity is quite good. Next big update there seems to happen in a few days...
Posted 27 months ago.
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Yes. It's quite promising. Next week I'm off for a week and will finally have time to shoot some photos again. Hopefully I'll be able to regain some of the magic lost in the Flickr censorship fiasco.
Posted 27 months ago.
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C:\>ping staff.flickr.com
Pinging staff.flickr.com with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from staff.flickr.com: none
Reply from staff.flickr.com: none
Reply from staff.flickr.com: none
Reply from staff.flickr.com: none
Ping statistics for staff.flickr.com:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in months:
Minimum > 2, Maximum > 2, Average > 2
Attn: ip protocol has latency time limit :-)
Posted 27 months ago.
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If the whole issue wasn't so incredibly sad, I would be ROTFLMAO now! ;-)
But I am told they usually react to humor and/or bug reports, so let's see ...
Posted 27 months ago.
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What's to keep flickr from requiring users in [insert a country that restricts content: Germany, China, etc.] to prove their age in order to view flickr-restricted content? Does that system exist already?
(forgive me if this has already been mentioned in one of the 3,399 replies in this post or one of the other threads devoted to this topic)
Posted 27 months ago.
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