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@deRud
I don't think CNNIC will help.
GFW is not admitted by the government officially, CNNIC is not in charge of this. It is more likely to be NSA or some secret service like that.
But I think YAHOO! knows something about it, he just have to deal with it some times.
@Stewart
You can do things other than just wait and see.
Put a post on official blog to state the situation, that will help us a lot.
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with 137,000,000 internet users in China...I hope we can understand the importance of this.
Imagine if you logged on and could not view a single image? Imagine if your friends, family, contacts couldn't either. Imagine if the entire population of America couldn't? and then imagine that there was not a single accessible announcement addressing it! This is a BIG deal. Many blogs and different news media will pick this story up and sadly, this thread is the closest thing to information on the subject (and it is unreachable by almost everyone effected!). Really is sad and I truly hope it can be addressed in an appropriate way.
Some sort of announcement (that can be accessed by Chinese users) is required!
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?lifeimage?: I've added a new, locked topic to the forum which should (I hope) stay accessible for Chinese users.
We're in contact with various people to see if we can get this resolved, but it will likely take some time. We'll post updates as we get them, though.
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it is a pity . 遗憾啊遗憾
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I just tried to look at my photos via Anonymouse (www.anonymouse.org) and the photos are blocked via that avenue, too. That's odd, because usually Anonymouse does the trick when blogspot or Wikipedia is blocked.
(By the by, I'm in Yunnan, and had no problem accessing this forum.)
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thanks hitherto! I for one completely understand that flickr can't do a whole lot about the situation for now....but THANK YOU! It's important that users in China can at-least be aware that YOU are aware and working to resolve this unfortunate situation. Thanks again it's really the most we could ask for at this time.
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@༺lifemage༻
A fourth of the world's population could not see photos on flickr. You've got the point.
If flickr posts it on the official blog, all medias on the Internet will know.
But after I have had a second thought, I recognized that it may make things worse, unless the anger provoked can cast down the government. But it is the last thing that gonna happen.
We are going to pretend it is not happened, in Chinese, we call this 息事宁人. Damm, I really don't like this idea, it is just what they (government) want.
人为刀俎，我为鱼肉。What else can we do?
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@Yuek Hahn
That is because it is blocked by another method.
Try to search Falungong or 法轮功 in Google through Anonymouse, I bet you can't get results, but you know the page is just there, right?
The URL of the page is not encrypted.
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[BLT]FQX,
I would think that the more attention this situation gets, the more likely they will second think their decision. This reflects very poorly on them and with events like the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, China really is trying to, at least appear, as a part of the global community. Hopefully they can see that this causes more problems than any good for them, with how they are perceived by the world.
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Access Flickr! 1.5
Bypasses the flickr.com filter in Iran, UAE and other banned countries and places...
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
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@༺lifemage༻
I don't know.
Maybe he (government) can just pretend to be harmony, catch us and kill us secretly.
It is not wholly kidding, such things happened in history.
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@?lifemage?
I would think that the more attention this situation gets, the more likely they will second think their decision. This reflects very poorly on them and with events like the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, China really is trying to, at least appear, as a part of the global community.
I was starting to think along those lines last night. An increasing number of sites including news agencies are being blocked by the Chinese government, at this rate the situation will escalate as more people in the rest of the world realise what is happening and put it on line. China is beginning to isolate itself from the rest of the WWW and surely many Chinese users will put one and one together. Hopefully the Chinese government will realise what is happening and the problems it could create and an internal change happen within its power structure so that someone more responsible and rational will be put in charge of overseeing Chinese relations with the rest of the world via the Web.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a change of government or anything radical, just a sideways promotion of one or two key figures in the appropriate department who are replaced by responsible personnelle so that the Chinese government can save face in one or two bad decisions.
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It seems that I can see my photos now!
What about you?
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Hi guys!
I have tens of emails from Chines people in less than 10 hours, thanking me for my "Access Flickr!" extension.
It means this extension works for China too.
Thanks [BLT]FQX for informing me about this thread.
And about technical details, it seems China gov uses the same technique for banning internet users from accessing "harmful[!]" sites, as Iran, UAE and Saudi Arabia does, which is "host tracking".
This extension simply substituted the farm1.static.flickr.com with storage1... and some other substitutions...
Check it and let me know if there is any problem:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
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[BLT]FQX, I was able to call up your photostream without any trouble at all, and I am in Canada. The photos you have posted are excellent.
As for the others in China who are still unable to look at their own photostreams and of photostreams of other Flickr members, hopefully things will improve for you so that you will be able to access and use Flickr again.
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Well, I can't see the photos again. It is just like a sudden spurt of activity before collapsing. (回光返照 in Chinese)
@Hamed Saber
I will try your plugin. It is me that shall thank you.
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deRud: Well I do not want to go political, even if I am political. I just wish flickr is accessible to Chinese like it used to be. Some of you guys are suggesting we topple the regime. Then why don't you guys come and liberate China just like you liberated Iraq from Hussein or Afghanistan from Taliban? Gosh how I missed the old days when we are just talking about photography.
I believe in flickr begining to talk with China authorities to work on a solution. It is better than keeping watching and making us sitting ducks here.
I agree with you. (Well, not about the regime-toppling part, which assume was sarcasm.) I am political, but Flickr isn't the place for political protests or actions.
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Anyway I suppose Pro users pay for the right to take legal actions when things are out of control.
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Hi folks, just to inform you: Germany's largest magazine SPIEGEL has put an article online at its website:
www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,487453,00.html
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Access Flickr for Firefox rocks! Just wish I wouldn't need it.... yet another reason to switch to Firefox for those who haven't yet!
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Save ourselves
how to display flickr photos
talk.blogbus.com/logs/5719180.html
how to access flickr
hi.baidu.com/binbinmath/blog/item/4e2cf21f9bbf8d62f724e44...
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@cloudswander
Don't be so political here.
It is just a photo community.
But if I was in Xiamen, I will stand by you in the demonstration.
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@Hamed Saber: your extension (and you too) really rocks!!!! now I can see my photos :)
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@Hamed Saber.
I'm not having the problem in my country but I'm glad about the work you did with the extension! Congratulations!
oh! btw. I think it could be great if you post the information about the extension in a more visible place like :
www.flickr.com/groups/central/discuss/72157600322373865
cuz according what've read the forum is blocked for some users too.
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speaking the truth and posting the photos is not political, but blocking it is!
anyway I delete some political words in my last post.
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If flickr really wants to be 'the eyes of the world', then they can't be apolitical.
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Hamed Saber's firefox extension works first class. I'm in Beijing and the photos are visible again.
Thanks a real big lot!
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I love that we can see this thread now (without a proxy), at least we can see what's happening. OK, so not a lot, but we can see it not happening!
And tomorrow I'm trying Firefox.
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does it mean that the service in China is back to normal?
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@Phil~
No, it is not normal.
I think 1980Nic can just see page 3, he cannot open page 2.
And photos cannot be seen unless you do some tricks.
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at 21:10 (Beijing time) everything was normal. but a few minutes later it was the same as before.
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Me too. I'm in Shanghai
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hope flickr staff will figure it out! cannot live without flickr! this is my stage!!! and I miss my flickr friends!
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AHH if flickr is blocked forever I dont know what I would do........... HELP US!
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I am in Beijing and I can confirm this is true.
F the GF\/\/.
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I think 1980Nic can just see page 3, he cannot open page 2.
for those who can't see page 2, it has some politically sensitive term commonly used on Taiwan.
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I world really appreciate if flickr staff can post this story on their blog because this is really a huge news,
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I visited an important client today and was disappointed when my website failed to load with flickr images. It was a huge loss of confidence. I am discouraged by flickr's failure to resolve this problem.
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Digg uesrs: Digg this!
digg.com/world_news/flickr_was_blocked_by_the_Chinese_gov...
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It's very interesting that Chinese users think this is a flickr fault, and flickr should resolve it!
I compare it with banning flickr in Iran and UAE.
In UAE, the members uploaded lots of protesting photos in their photo-streams, and posted a lot of discussions against their government and ISP managers.
In Iran, nothing happened! A day after they blocked access to flickr, all members started their own bypassing ways and accessed flickr again.
But in China, it's quite interesting that while they know that this is THEIR government censoring flickr, but yet most of them rumble on flickr and call their staff as culprits! Why? Anybody can explain?
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I'm sure flickr staff is working like crazy on this, but really, why is this their problem? It seems like the Chinese gov't's inability to respond to 'feedback' is the real issue here. Maybe you should send them an email.
But yeah, that said, the word needs to get out about this, whether it's the flickr blog or whatever. I just sent an email to boingboing a few hours ago but they haven't picked it up either.
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@dbthayer
Nope, I think it is about the URL of 64.
@Hamed Saber
It is interesting to compare these countries and people.
Most of our people didn't know about the censorship, you see all these complainers are just a tiny amount of our population. So most people would say "Ah, your site is broken." We can't ask all of them use Firefox and access Flickr! plugin, because about 97.64% of them are using IE.(Data from my own site's visitors)
And I think there is differences in history and culture. They said that Chinese was not enlightened, and I actually found our people less rational.
So, what is your suggestion?
If you'd like to continue this discussion, I am glad to wait for your letter.
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[BLT]FQX:
missed that one, thanks.
nice to know that 狗日的共匪 is now acceptable. ;-)
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At the risk of being accused of being "political" (I plead guilty) may I suggest that it is not coincidental that the 18th anniversary of the Tian An Men square massacre was this Monday.
In today's Guardian there is a report on how "A Chinese newspaper has fired three editorial staff for failing to censor a one-line classified ad that paid tribute to the mothers of protesters killed during the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
Breaking one of the state's strongest political taboos, the obscurely worded ad was slipped into the Chengdu Evening News on Monday, the 18th anniversary of the bloody crackdown". The report goes on to say how younger Chinese people are completely ignorant of this episode in the recent history of China.
Flickr carries comment on the bloody crackdown (I myself have commented in the context of a photo of the square in more peaceful conditions a few months previously) and it is not surprising if the regime is trying to prevent us opening the eyes of these youngsters.
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@Hamed Saber
I think most chinese people know that it's our gov's problem, but they still hope flickr as an international company will give the gov some pressure.
In many chinese blogs and forums, people are spreading the methods of bypassing the firewall. There are many methods online to achieve that, some of the software work well with IE.
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@πρώρα (Prora)
It's ironic that because the young editor knew nothing about the Tian An Men square massacre, so she believed when she was told by the guy who paid for the advertise that it's just a normal tribute for the mothers of those died in a mining accident .
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It seems very very ironic that a yahoo service would be locked out from china when yahoo helped the Chinese government put a writer in jail:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4221538.stm
Helping governments wrongfully imprison people is never ok and I feel no pity for yahoo in this case.
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@[BLT]FQX: As I read somewhere, China is one of the most restricted countries in internet censorship. How you say that they (your friends) don't know about it?!
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@Hamed Saber
...in China, it's quite interesting that while they know that this is THEIR government censoring flickr, but yet most of them rumble on flickr and call their staff as culprits! Why? Anybody can explain?
I wouldn't say most call Flickr the culprit, just a small number. Misunderstanding is the main reason, but, possibly it's also the reason why one or two demand that some photos that are quite inoffensive really are removed. This forum surely can also be read by the same people responsible for blocking Flickr images etc. and don't forget virtually anyone can set up a Flickr account, join Groups and write in this Forum. Need I say more?
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I agree that there's a lot of irony around - but it doesn't affect the censors one jot. Seems, too, that the old adage that "ignorance is no defence in the law" must be a byword in China if an ignorant young editor (kept ignorant by the regime) is regarded as guilty.
But that's a political issue, no doubt.
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That's a good point, 3rd foundation, this is the thanks yahoo gets for cooperating with China: one of their most popular services is now blocked. Good deal!
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It does have the potential to be a sticky, lose-lose issue for Yahoo, and Flickr, too. If they're offered a choice to police politically embarrassing images for China in exchange for restoring Chinese access, they lose. If they stand up and refuse to be blackmailed into censoring political speech, and China keeps Flickr completely blocked from its entire population, they lose.
If this a purposeful act by China, and not some accident or temporary blackout until a certain anniversary passes, it has the potential to not end well no matter what direction it takes.
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@Canopus Archives: Let them read this! Is it worse in your country than mine?!
See! Flickr is blocked in 3 other counties than yours. Why you can't find any other thread related to those 3 countries which their users try to rumble Yahoo?! I think you should start some heavy protesting against who tries to limit your freedom!
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Canopus Archives lives in Wales, part of the UK, as do I. We are not subject to any such censorship. Can the same be said of your Iran?
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I am currently living in UK, one of my friends in Shanghai attempted to view my photos this afternoon, and she told me she saw nothing but many red crosses. Is the problem caused by GFW? or somehow related to the protest against PX in Xiamen, China.?
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It seems it will take some time for this problem to be solved. I am disappointed by PRC's censorship.
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agree with kejia,great disappointment......what a stupid ZF!
本来不知道什么是PX的，现在想不知道也难了。。。什么年代了，啧啧，还想封锁信息。。。。愚蠢啊！
PROTECT AMOY！！！
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flickr is showing the same problems in Dalian too. However, I have noticed one thing: if you use a command prompt and issue a HTTP GET request via telnet, you can receive data, however there is something strange happening. Normally a HTTP Get request is like this (in its simplest form):
GET /1297/535387703_7b5d5078fb_b.jpg HTTP/1.0(CR)
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---and data starts appearing here
However, this is not happening and browsers are timing out. If you hit Return Key three times (3 (CR)s), data will start to flow.
I hope someone from flickr sees this info. Also, techie people in China should try this way to see if it works.
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Another interesting social psychological subject (from my point of view):
There are 3 different races using my extension: Iranians, Arabs and Chinese.
Most of Iranians thanked me for the extension in public. In group discussions or below my photos as a comment.
Arabs didn't thank me at all (unless ONE of them, via commenting under a photo of an American people who was my friend too!)
But you Chinese gals and guys are using private emails for sending me "thank you" messages. And I appreciate all of them, even with a short "you're welcome" reply. But it's very interesting that I got tons of "thank you" emails in past few hours.
To me, it means that Chinese have of course a better ethics than Arabs.
Unfortunately I can't exactly count that how many users from which country downloaded my extension to give you a statistic about which percent of each thanked me, but I think Chinese are even better than Iranians in this position ;)
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@Hamed Saber
Most of our people didn't know, it is not a joke.
Government just keep it secret, deny it.
And posts talking about censorship would be requested deleted if the server is in China, the server will be blocked if it is abroad. My blog was blocked because of this reason, but I changed to another domain.
Most people surfing on the Internet is not looking for knowledge, they are just looking for fun, like chatting, playing online game, reading novels. They are not likely to differentiate blocking and server error.
In other words, they are just stupid or indifference to such thing, "What can you do even if you know much about it?" They will probably ask this question. If they reached a blocked site, they can just turn around and jump to other sites. Blocking one or two sites is not a big deal to them.
The government wants us to be stupid, he feed us the pill of Murti Bing.
UPDATED: I forgot the most important thing, we complain about our government in our blogs, written in Chinese, which you don't understand. But we came here for help. There are some people curse our government here, but mostly in Chinese.
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@Hamed Saber
I didn't get your replying mail. :-P
Don't forget that China has a large population, keep that in mind when you talking about Chinese. We make up a fourth of the world's population.
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Thanks Hamed Saber, your extension is great!
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Flickr can be political, why not? Everything is political. If the Chinese government is trying to play 1984 and rewrite history, that is worth commenting on, even on flickr. If the flickr Chinese want only photography, perhaps they should start a flickr substitute without comments. I'm outraged when the United States news services ignore important matters, and am always grateful when I find out about them on flickr. I'm also outraged when Yahoo complies with repressive tactics, which it is want to do.
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[BLT]FQX:
We make up a fourth of the world's population.
hmm, raises a question--if you look for China-related flickr groups (中國, 中国, 中文, 漢, 汉, china, chinese, shanghai, 上海, hong kong, 香港...), hard to find a group with many members (>2000). even with the language barrier, kinda surprising...considering the population and level of internet activity. even the Tokyo, Japan group has 3,500 members.
these forum threads, I get the feeling a lot of people complaining about the block are expats in China, or maybe some overseas chinese. to make a totally non-scientific conclusion--flickr doesn't seem to be that big in China and not that many locals are really affected by the block.
so what's the buzz on the local blogs in China? does anybody in China really care about the block, or is it just an inconvenience for a bunch of expats?
me, I'm just an old-skool ex-resident of Taiwan, trying to make sense of it all...
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Firefox + Access Flickr = Pictures!
中文: Firefox + Access Flickr = 图片! 下载又快又容易!
Thanks so much to the guys who sent me emails to help, Lifemage, Soyboi, and Patricio, and especially to Hamed Saber for the plugin!
If you don't have Firefox, it only takes a few minutes to download, and the plugin is even quicker, so it's definitely worth it.
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"It does have the potential to be a sticky, lose-lose issue for Yahoo, and Flickr, too. If they're offered a choice to police politically embarrassing images for China in exchange for restoring Chinese access, they lose. If they stand up and refuse to be blackmailed into censoring political speech, and China keeps Flickr completely blocked from its entire population, they lose."
Maybe the birthing pains of a flickr.cn?
I'm sure that's what the PRC would love. Maybe a youtube.cn, a wikipedia.cn......etc. They could censor whatever they wanted to that way. Time for them to grow up...their actions are like those of a little spoiled brat. Hopefully they will soon see that this type of behavior will blow up in their faces oneday. Get a grip CHINA.
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@dbthayer
Flickr is not that popular in China as in US.
Language barrier is an important reason, it is no wondering that bababian.com which is a clone of flickr would get so much users.
And flickr is not as fast as photo hosting providers like photo.163.com, I can say that flickr is doing its best, but there is something you cannot really override.
As I said before, we cannot talk about GFW in China, because it is not allowed, posts related to GFW will be asked to be deleted, or they can send you to prison.
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is there any hope the flickr will come to normal
i am really sad and greatly upset now for the unaccessable of flickr image
T:T
some one help
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i am in wuhan china
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thank you 1980NIC for the add-on of Firefox, it works, and the speed is good
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oh I am sorry, Hamed Saber made this add-on, thank you so much
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Beijing Olympics 2008:
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@Anton Hazewinkel
Nice picture, I have to say.
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Hmmmm, still can't get through to this thread very easily... every time I've tried in the last 20 minutes or so the connection to the server was reset even though accessing every other page wasn't a problem. I'm probably just being paranoid but for a while there I thought I was specifically being prevented from getting to this thread! Is that likely to just be a technical problem when using a new browser (never happened before)?
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1980Nic, I haven't had much trouble getting to this thread today. But last night, I did have the same problem as yours. The page did load up after a couple of tries though. The plugin fixes the images not loading up problem but I don't think it can stop the thread from being blocked I think.
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$ host farm1.static.flickr.com
farm1.static.flickr.com is an alias for farm1.static.flickr.yahoo8.akadns.net.
farm1.static.flickr.yahoo8.akadns.net has address 68.142.213.135
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I use Access Flickr 1.5 for the pics
and Httproxy for threads that are blocked
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An idea on WHY is this...
As you may know we just passed a sad anniversary date for China on the forth of this month ... things get tighter on around those dates.
Something else happened somewhere else:
www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&tas...
Pictures of this demonstrations were publised in Flickr. On Tuesday, those pictures were already blocked in China and –my guess- latter the whole flickr came under the blockade just in case.
Hopefully the block will be lifted some time soon.
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Wow! Lots of new knowledge for me!
1. In China, the gov doesn't say people that "you are blocked"! In Iran we see an error says "Access to this site is restricted by law!"
2. Language barriers made a huge gap between Chinese people and global village. So someone please help me put a one or two statements "how to" on my extension's page in Chinese language, it might help someone!
3. Seems your firewalls are also doing content blocking. The only reason that you can't simply access this thread can be "content blocking". The robots check for "malicious[!]" words such as "china+internet+censor" and will block the page containing it!
This is the reason which Iranian bloggers won't write the special Persian words in their texts, and instead use some spaces or dots in middle of the word for fooling the robots.
And note that because of high cost of content blocking, in most cases in Iran, they do this for random pages. So sometimes a page is blocked and another time is accessible. (Content blocked pages are not go to "black list" cache.) Maybe in China they do the same because of the cost!
@[BLT]FQX: You didn't send me a thanking email ;)
And about population. It's not important that how many Chinese we have on the world! For me, the statistic relies on how many Chinese downloaded my extension.
The download counter rate is not yet more than 50% increased, but the thanking emails from Chinese guys are more than double of all previous ones. I'm happy to say that Chinese people are really appreciative people :)
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@[BLT]FQX: I agree with you: without a Chinese frontend and a faster connection Flickr won't be popular in China. Most people cannot speak or read English and as long as their are Chinese clones with a fast connection around most people won't care about Flickr.
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@Hamed Saber
You are almost right with your 3 points, but you have some mistake with content filtering in China, our government does not care that much cost as long as it is for his domination. We have the world's best routers from CISCO, but it is not something to be proud of. For that, content filtering is soundness.
The Chinese edition of Access Flickr! 1.5 introduction:
绕过GFW访问Flickr
安装此插件并重启浏览器。不必设置，没有菜单、图标……一切都已设置完成！
重启后，您便可以访问flickr.com，没有任何的限制！
阅读更多关于我的新闻（需要代理）
tenpercent.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/iran-blogapalooza-ham...
在Global Voices的访谈
www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/02/14/access-flickr-iran/
Is it enough?
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Un-f**ing-believable. I just started getting into Flickr, got my wife on here as well, started a new photo gallery for JinanLIVE here & asked the membership to join in, and now it's blocked.
Way to go, China! Once again proving that Paranoia will always solve social issues. I'll give the plugin a shot, I guess.
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@[BLT]FQX: By using Google Translator, I selected just this part:
绕过GFW访问Flickr
安装此插件并重启浏览器。不必设置，没有菜单、图标……一切都已设置完成！
重启后，您便可以访问flickr.com，没有任何的限制！
Is GFW stand for "Great Firewall in China"?
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I've just added the Chinese howto. Please confirm it, since I even can't read a single alphabet of your language.
Thanks [BLT]FQX for translation
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@Hamed Saber
New howto confirmed.
Yes, GFW is a short for Great Firewall of China.
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i hope flickr back soon.
thank goodness.if there was a god.
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Fantastic! Plug in works like a charm! Good on ya, Hamed Saber! Goes to show you, despite any paranoia of any country, the techies can always find a work-around!
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Thanks, Hamed!
I´m from Sweden, living in China and sometimes I get the feeling that the Swedish goverment would love to do what China, Iran and other countries are doing, if they didn´t have to care about the public opinion. So when companies like yahoo! are making deals with CPC they are in fact paving the way for government control over the internet all over the world. Shame on them!
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Jain Hua Li, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, said he hadn't heard of Flickr until told about it in a conversation with a Chronicle reporter, and then suggested that the blocking may be because Chinese authorities are trying to protect children from racy images.
Lucie Morillon, the U.S. representative for Reporters Without Borders, a French group that promotes free expression, said that the Beijing government often censors Web sites under the guise of protecting children or national security. She called the blocking of Flickr "one more blow against the free flow of information online by Chinese authorities" and added that it is particularly lamentable in light of promises by China to loosen restrictions before the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.
From: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/09/BUG9...
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I'm from Manila, Philippines and some of my pics aren't showing as well.
Edit: Fixed already
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Flickr is a super-safe photo-sharing site! Why they banned it because of children protection?!?!
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A WordPress plugin to bypass GFW.
blog.istef.info/2007/06/08/save-flickr/ (中文)
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天那，被和谐了…… 我四千多张照片啊。
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"hmm, raises a question--if you look for China-related flickr groups (中國, 中国, 中文, 漢, 汉, china, chinese, shanghai, 上海, hong kong, 香港...), hard to find a group with many members (>2000). even with the language barrier, kinda surprising...considering the population and level of internet activity. even the Tokyo, Japan group has 3,500 members.
these forum threads, I get the feeling a lot of people complaining about the block are expats in China, or maybe some overseas chinese. to make a totally non-scientific conclusion--flickr doesn't seem to be that big in China and not that many locals are really affected by the block.
so what's the buzz on the local blogs in China? does anybody in China really care about the block, or is it just an inconvenience for a bunch of expats?
me, I'm just an old-skool ex-resident of Taiwan, trying to make sense of it all... "
First....Flickr can be compared to a planet, and this planet has thousands and thousands of satellites orbiting it. Countless blogs and other sites utilize flickr images within them. So, many, many people are effected that may never of heard of flickr before (from the blogs and such that use flickr images). Second...I'm not sure about the numbers of flickr members (pro or not) but considering that there are 137 000 000 internet users in China...even if flickr users represented a tiny sliver of that, it would be far more than most countries.
This feels (in some small way) like the straw that broke the camels back. To block a blog or some other source of information/commentary, is one thing, one could argue that the site is providing a slanted viewpoint or straight out lying. Flickr seems different..in that we tend to trust images more than words. It's seems like there is no denying they are censoring TRUTH, not what 'could be' truth, in the form of a blog or website. Plus...flickr is about people's ART, and to censor art and deny people from sharing it, seems like even more of a crime.
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[BLT]FQX:
Blocked flickr because it is a racy images site? That's HILARIOUS!
I guess they should block Windows Vista because it contains wallpapers from the "racy images site!"
(The photographer of the Vista Wallpapers was being caught up on flickr!)
flickr.com/photos/darwishh/
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"without a Chinese frontend and a faster connection Flickr won't be popular in China"
Is access to the Flickr API also blocked? Can aliasing be used? The API is a way of making alternate interfaces to Flickr pics, developer.yahoo.com/flickr/ ... I wonder if anyone's tried making a Chinese front-end with it.
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It is easy for you to visit Flickr in China, if you:
1. Download the Firefox from:
www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html
2. Install firefox, and use firefox to vist:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
3, Install the add-on "Access Flickr"
4. reboot the Firefox, and you can visit Flickr now.
PS. You can aslo dowload another add-on:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2864
and install it. Then you can visit Flickr , and wordpress blog pages in China.
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Thanks Hamed for the plugin. Thanks to FQX for making the Chinese intro.
The really frustrating thing about the censorship here is that most of the time it's not actually needed. Why? Because the pressure of collective shame and guilt means most Chinese aren't curious about or don't want to talk about the censored topics. But the government also knows that the people are rumor-prone, so they periodically beef up censorship to keep some damaging information from slipping through the cracks.
For example, when Uzbekistan's president came to China, the GFW banned searches on Uzbekistan because TPTB didn't want to take a chance on Chinese wanting to know more about the foreign leader in the news and the reasons his nation has become rather notorious. The ban on Uzbekistan searches was short-lived, though, and I have hope that the ban on the Flickr photohost servers is equally short.
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How long until they just block firefox?
This is getting more disturbing because it hasn't really been picked up on any of the big news carriers - Digg, Slashdot, Boingboing, are usually all over stuff like this, but they've got nothing.
The more this is ignored, the more it becomes normalized.
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Second...I'm not sure about the numbers of flickr members (pro or not) but considering that there are 137 000 000 internet users in China...even if flickr users represented a tiny sliver of that, it would be far more than most countries.
sure, in theory. maybe when flickr finishes Chinese localization (flickr, 加油!), it'll start to happen.
so the good news is that with this blocking, the gov't. has given publicity to a site that wasn't even that popular in China, and generated worldwide attention on the GFW. for what--a porous, temporary block? keep up the good work, guys! ;-)
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