|
|
Why, if you are a Canadian subsiduary and are in the processing a new centre, would the data be transferred out of Canada?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
The link to this thread is invisible on the news page. I'm assuming this was where the link was suppose to go.
Edit: Nevermind. It's fixed now.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
For more information, see the top entry here: www.flickr.com/news.gne
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
What hiccups, massages and the like do you foresee during the move? And how long should the process take?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Will there be more restricitons due to different laws in the US, for example, nudity?
Will the pictures, where you can see a nipple, for example, be blurred?
So flickr will no longer be Canadian, but US-american?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
chinookfoehn - we're not a Canadian subsidiary: we're all regular Yahoo employees now.
We're moving everything because no-one will be left in Vancouver to take care of the servers -- and we wanted to be in a Yahoo-maintained data center with Yahoo standard equipment (and Yahoo sysadmins to take care of everything :)
Matt: The move may require a few hours of downtime, but not much. It should be hiccup free and will significantly reduce massages afterwards.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
niezwyciezony: no additional restrictions - Canadian and US obscenity laws are pretty similar.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Ah so, this is what they call synergy...
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Eh, don't confuse nudity and obscenity here!
Canada is much more lax in terms of exposure to nudity; just need to compare TV news coverage.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
To Stewart:
I suggest you get a legal opinion on that. The U.S.ofA. is much harsher than we are - in general; unless it is wrapped in their Freedom of Speech provisions in which case the U.S. is much more tolerant of intolerance.
The U.S. tolerates, if not, loves violence (look at their television shows with their high portrayal of violence of all kinds) and abhors nudity while we tend to the opposite - religious extremist excluded.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Q.001:
is there a deep-seated, real-world, pro-user beta-QA program? any focus-grouped, grey-box campaign you run with a select-few pro-users will be a fine companion to the yahoo-QA-geeks for testing your future-features. (almost as valuable as the bloody hyphen!)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Welcome to Sunnyvale!
(eat at Armadillo Willy's...on El Camino...best barbeque in town...)
Oh, sorry. Questions about the move...hmm...
BTW, parking at Yahoo can be terrible! The Marvell people take up everything...
sorry...
questions... ... ... ...
you gotta check out the NASA Ames Research Center and the blimp hanger on Moffett!...
SORRY...
...get your tickets for the Shoreline Amphitheater concerts early...and arrive very early!
damn...
OK, I got one!
Are you Giants fans or A's fans?
Niners or Raiders?
anyway, Welcome to Sunnyvale!!!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I thought the data was already in the United States of America. Thanks for the update. What is this center everyone is talking about?
Au revoir
Nevermind, I finally saw the news for June 11th. :) I didn't see the news item yesterday because it was June 10.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
(eat at Armadillo Willy's...on El Camino...best barbeque in town...)
I'll second that as to Sunnyvale, but suggest that Austin's in Mt. View is better -- also on El Camino.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Please note that the data will be chopped up in transferrable packets and shipped to SF by FedEx. This may take up to 2 weeks depending on how fast FedEx drives. Let's hope nothing gets wet during transit, either.
And back to regular programming...
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Before you go can I get a free Pro account?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Will flickr.com be down during the move? Will we be able to access part of the site, or none at all? Just wondering.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Starionwolf, Stewart addresses possible down time earlier in this thread.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Sorry, I missed that post. Thanks for pointing out the post.
Bye
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
So when you say the data is moving, I'm guessing you mean just the data (since down time is only two hours), and not the old Flickr servers themselves? Does that mean you just take Flickr offline, copy all the data (over the internet?) to CA, and then start Flickr up again in CA?
Also, after the move, when new servers etc. are added to Flickr will there be any massaging to be done, or will we not notice? Just thinking how Yahoo! doesn't seem to get massaged much so maybe the same would happen to Flickr now too (apart from stuff like updating databases? Or should that not happen once you're out of beta?)?
Thanks :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
This would be very hard work to do with moving data ! But the flickr crew is profesional ! :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Does that mean you just take Flickr offline, copy all the data (over the internet?) to CA, and then start Flickr up again in CA?
i'm assuming this means that they will start transferring older data while flickr is still in operation, take flickr offline, transfer the newer data that was created while they were transferring the old data {two hours} and then fire up 'ol sparky down in sunnyvale.
not that i have any clue .. but it seems awfully inneffecient to shut down flickr for the entire transfer.
are there going to be other changes to the flickr back end other than data transfer?
ie. no more mySQL? no more imagemagick*?
*if you're still using that.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I'm interested in how this is actually going to be done...
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Transferring all the data with just a couple hours of massage time is quite impressive, Flickr guys and gals.
All I can say is Yahoo! :D
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Since I, like a few others I guess, like photos :-) Can we see what the old and the fancy new Yahoo datacenters/servers look like ??
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Just curious.
How many megabytes or should I say Terrabytes of data are you guys moving?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
good question Street walker, how big is the WHOLE flickr site? Just curious... Can we get some basic technical info on how flickr works? Clusters / searches / database formats... Im putting a Fiver on 5 terrabytes plus of data.. Any takers?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
This seems like a great idea,Conectivity should be better for everyone after the move. Relocating data to new servers in different data center, will no doubt be the making of Flickr. Well done, hopefuly few jobs were lost.Best wishes to all involved in the move. Please count the raids carefully :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Since there are about 18.7 Million photos (and photos take up so much space) I'd guess 5 TB is not far off.
The Database is a distributed MySQL database with multiple update servers (masters) and read servers (slaves)
It will probably be done the way striatic says. It's the same as creating a new disaster recovery site and then, well, switching over to that site.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
What's wrong with MySql and ImageMagick?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Well...can we know how much does the whole Uniflickrverse weigh?
I was guessing 5 Terrabytes too.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I was guessing 5.7tb to 7tb if the average picture is between 300kb to 500kb (I sometimes up 2mbs but that's only when I have the bandwidth, and we also know a large percentage of the pics are websized before uploading due to non-pro status).
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
After you folks get settled in, make a point of visiting The Tech Museum of Innovation in downtown San Jose - it's a great place for a field trip!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Streetwalker - your icon is disturbing.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
What's wrong with MySql and ImageMagick?
nothing, but the yahoo might prefer/have licenses for something else.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Hey! I also would be really interested in the size of the whole site! Tell us, pleeeaaase! ;-)
FYI:
To all of you here, which are talking of these 5TB:
It's: Terabyte - not: Ter"r"abyte!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Did you guys consider any tools to migrate the data over the internet instead of the mail?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Are we going to see anything different after the move? I mean reagarding the graphics, and stuff... will it look differently?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
ah, just imagine having to do this without broadband or optic cable or whatever high-speed data transfer they'll use. It'll probably be cheaper to just package all the servers and fedex/ups/dhl 'em to sunnyvale.
anyways would the hub points between... say my pc to the yahoo servers be any different in terms of ping times from the vancouver servers to my pc? (not that the size of the pics are big... that and I guess if you connect to yahoo fine you should be fine) that and... what connection are you using to transfer the data? I'm certain it has to be OC... or something similar
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
After all of the moving is done, do us SFBayfolk get to have a tour of the new offices?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
FlickrTours sure would be neat! :-)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Did you guys consider any tools to migrate the data over the internet instead of the mail?
Actually, we are renting big server trucks with high speed satellite Internet connection.
These will allow us to provide Flickr services right on the way to our new location.
So we are going to have only two downtime windows: when we move servers in and out of the trucks.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Plus whenever they have to turn the engines off to refill their gas tanks.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Eric: Duh!
Big batteries, dude!
Sheesh. No imagination and technical knowledge, some people.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Hey, trucks run on diesel and if they follow military ways, they can keep them running while filling up at gas stations along the I-5 (Interstate 5 for those outside North America).
Besides who says they have to load/un-load all the servers at once? That means there will only be partial down-times.
Just hope they use large umbrellæ as I bet it rains in Vancouver until month's end. (laughing)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Ok, I know what the next branded thing is then. Flickr brand mobile satellite internet. Have to feed the adicts (er, fans) what they want, eh?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
So we are going to have only two downtime windows: when we move servers in and out of the trucks.
I see how you can cut your downtime in half: Don't take them off the trucks.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
thats about the worst thing i've feared after the yahooglization....
The U.S.ofA. is much harsher than we are - in general; unless it is wrapped in their Freedom of Speech
That our data is now under US-Law is awful ! Them fricking Gonzales ?????
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
How about in-drive refueling? Hey, they do it for ships and planes all the time.
Or solar panels? Or wind-powered electric turbines on the trucks? Or microwave beaming of power?
Or (hint to Bertie) copy the great bulk of the data to Flickr/San Francisco, take Flickr/Vancouver offline, use a fat line to upload the latest updates to San Francisco, and then switch on Flickr/San Francisco.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
stri - for the record, it's not ImageMagick anymore :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Welcome to the San Francisco Bay Area ! How many people will be moving to California? Just curious.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Could you please let some servers stay in Canada? AND let them still be online? I don't like the idea of my data stored in USA....
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
How does all this affect the Terms of Use ?
When can we expect new Terms of Use to be posted and what procedures will be in place should we decide that we do not like any changes ? What will be the subscription refund procedures etc in that case ?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
/me watches another knee jerk upward.
Location really won't make all that much difference, people. Canada isn't exactly chalk and cheese to the US, is it.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
"Chalk and cheese"...I love Anglicisms!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I thought they'd just print out all the photos, mail them over the border, then re-scan them in... Maybe they could color-fax them down to California...
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I join grundrauschen, also my data should stay in canada, pleaeaease!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I am sooo glad that everyone's data will be in the US! Now we can finally have the FBI and CIA sift through everyone's snapshots of their grandkids, flowers and cats...
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Especially cats. Those dog lovers in washington will make a list of us cat lovers, I fear! *laugh*
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
The FBI scanning our images?
Hey, that's what they already did! Otherwise they wouldn't let Flickr move to the US ...
Didn't you reconise all that missing images yet?
;-)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
kh1234567890, we will have new terms of use and privacy pollicy (UPDATE: this is incorrect - see below for correct info). I don't have an eta, but if any PRO user prefers not to continue as a Flickr member once these documents are published, we would be happy to return a pro-rated portion of your fees. Contact us through Help and we'll take care of it.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Heather, I know that these documents aren't ready yet, but will they make any material changes to the current terms of use and privacy policies? If so, could you indicate the objectives of those changes? In other words, on an executive-summary level, what will the changes (if any) be designed to do?
EDIT IN RESPONSE TO "UPDATE": Thanks, Heather. I've responded with a new question.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I think one thing non-Americans should be made aware of, especially Europeans, is the fact that privacy of data is not as well defended as is in other countries as, say, the European Union.
Many Canadians are already aware that U.S. susidiaries in Canada regularly violate Canadian privacy laws by exporting personal data to the 'owning' company in the U.S. but this will come as a surprise to Europeans where privacy is taken very seriously.
Once Flickr moves its data to the U.S., the data is no longer 'private' as defined by EU or Canadian or other Commonwealth law and is subject to U.S. law.
I assume this might be worrisome to some people over what they might post in their non-public portion of their photo stream.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I would have thought that it would have been appropriate to post the new terms _prior_ to our data being moved into the US.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
and they will be. the data hasn't moved yet.
(UPDATE: see below for correct info)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Hi, i have a quesiton about the current terms, maybe it would be clearer in the new ones?
When it says:
"You may not use the Flickr.com service for any illegal or unauthorized purpose. International users agree to comply with all local laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content."
It doesn't actually specifiy whether you have to abide by Canadian law or just your local law, or (more likely) both.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Joe, it is, in fact, both. By using Flickr, you put yourself under Canadian jurisdiction; and, of course, you're under the jurisdiction of the country you're in. Since your contract for Flickr is now a contract with Yahoo, you also are under U.S. jurisdiction.
Law schools have an entire course in "Choice of Laws" to deal with things like this. Unfortunately, most people don't go to law school. Nevertheless, they're expected to understand the concepts and act accordingly. Scenarios that once were confined to multinational corporations now are commonplace. It's crazy.
EDIT: It occurs to me that a good, extremely rough guide might be the "child porn" hypothetical. (I'm using a deliberately odious example to make the answer obvious.) Let's say that a pervert from Equatorial Guinea (random choice on my part) uploads child porn to Flickr. The servers are in Canada, his contract is with an American company, and he's in Equatorial Guinea. You can use common sense to ask yourself, "Who has an interest in this matter?"
Answer: All three countries. At a minimum, Canada and Equitorial Guinea have criminal jurisdiction, because the perv actually did things there; and the U.S. has civil jurisdiction (the kind of case where the penalties do not include prison or execution), because its only involvement was the contract, which the perv violated.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
After the move to Yahoo Land do you expect to stop using PayPal soon? Sorry if this is a little off topic. Haven't been able to register for a Pro account due to PayPal problems. Guess I could send in a money order. Will you be adopting Yahoo's purchasing methods?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Matt Stevens wrote: ----------------
Since your contract for Flickr is now a contract with Yahoo
---------------- At the moment my contract is with some Canadian oufit called Ludicorp Research & Development Ltd., which presumably still exists as a legal entity in Canada, no matter who actually owns it. Also my data is at present on a server in Canada so US juristriction shouldn't come into it at all. Presumably the new contract will be with either Yahoo or Ludicorp US ?
Not that I really care - my photos are unlikely to be of interest to any goverment, US or otherwise. But suppose that I was to post photos which the US goverment or some US corporation did not approve of. Once the data is moved to US it will be much easier for a pressure to be applied for those photos to be taken down. The porn example is a bad one - think of pictures of coffins coming back from Iraq or suchlike instead.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
The data transfer, reading from Flickr news, is to take place during the week of June 28. I do feel that any changes in terms and conditions and policy should be published well ahead of that date.
I dislike the dominance that the US has on the internet and I admit to being somewhat dismayed when Yahoo bought out Flickr, although I could also see the obvious advantages. However, part of Flickr's appeal was its individual Canadian 'feel' and ethos.
Moving everything lock, stock and barrel to the US doesn't inspire confidence in me on any level. I do have concerns that the whole Flickr/Yahoo character will become more restrictive, less quirky and more homogenised.
And I'm not generally so negative....
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
@kh1234567890, Stewart told us earlier in this thread that Flickr is not operated as a Canadian subsidiary of Yahoo--i.e. it's no longer operated through Ludicorp. It's owned by Yahoo directly. (I have no idea what the fate of Ludicorp itself is--from this information, it sounds like either it was folded into Yahoo entirely or still exists but without Flickr. Either way, Flickr isn't connected with it now.)
So, when the Flickr business was acquired by Yahoo (and AFAIK, the sale has formally occurred), Yahoo assumed Ludicorp's contracts as to Flickr. Regardless of who you signed your contract with, the other party is now Yahoo. That's where U.S. jurisdiction already has kicked in.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Oh, I thought I'd read Yahoo! bought Ludicorp, cause I remember asking because I was wondering who owned GNE, or maybe Ludicorp's been swollowed up by Yahoo! and so that's why Ludicorp employees are direct employees of Yahoo!? Hmm all this legal stuff is confusing, I can understand why they where glad to have someone else doing it after the acquisition!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Residence outside the United States is no guarantee of computer privacy:
--If you live in the US, UK, Canada, Australia or New Zealand, your government is part of a system known as ECHELON which spies on everybody else, including EU citizens outside the UK. The rest of the EU is not pleased.
--If you live in the UK itself, too bad; the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 subjects you to extensive surveillance for which no warrant is required.
--There's also a series of ongoing U.S. efforts (periodically disrupted by civil libertarian lobbying) to build a digital dossier on literally every member of the human race, using public-source material. Including our posts here on Flickr.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Matt, you said earlier: 'Unfortunately, most people don't go to law school'
??? I'm busy enough as it is...job, Flickr....how am I going to fit this in...??? ;-)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Matt, I agree with you about one's computer privacy. This issue is global, and I suspect it's simply less publicised in countries other than the US. I'm in the UK and I'm sure that big brother is watching me, and there's really very little I can do about it! LOL
I'm really more concerned about Flickr losing its 'flavour' and becoming more bureaucratic, the mark of both large corporations and suspicious, litigious cultures.
Any reassurances from staff on this would be welcome??
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Well, it seems to me we've given tons of verbal reassurances already that Flickr will not be changing in spirit, but how about if I use an emoticon at the end of this comment? Big bureaucracies don't do that, do they? ;)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
In reply, Eric, shall I say thanks and LOL ;)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Here's the poop: We are not changing the Terms of Use for existing Flickr members. Our Terms of Use are not tied to where our servers are located, though they may change in the future.
* Use of "poop" to further assure that the Flickr spirit lives on.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
The Flickr Spirit lives on and on!
Poop, and LOL and emoticon!
Brains will win over corporate brawn!
Let's all dance upon the lawn!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Yeah, there is nothing to fear about your Flickr usage now being covered by American law. Unless you don't mind what you post on Flickr resulting in a visit by the Secret Service:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jlassen/186474.html
Yes - it CAN happen to you.
A question to Flickr/Yahoo: Doesn't the 'Patriot Act' require you to divulge personal information at the request of federal agencies even without a court order? What is Flickr's official policy on this?
Name withheld.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
I'm seeing Seurat, I'm seeing Joni Mitchell dancing on the lawn, I'm..... yes ok you chaps convinced me :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
view the images in question here.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
What happened, from what I can tell from the blog post, is the images were posted, and someone contacted legal authorities about the images, and they were obligated to get in touch with the person posting them. The blog post has been talked about here in Flickr Central. :-/
Nobody got in touch with Flickr; the pictures were posted publicly on the internet, and it had nothing to do with where the servers were located.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
To clarify, I'm not saying Flickr had *anything* to do with this case.
What I am asking is, now that Flickr is American owned and based, aren't you obligated under the so called 'Patriot Act' to divulge users personal info to the US authorities upon request (even without a court order, or any proof of wrongdoing)? Yes or no?
As a Canadian company you wouldn't be covered by the Patriot Act, and therefore any request for users personal information would have to be approved by a judge.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Cool. Thanks for sharing some new information.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Heather, thank you for the poop on existing members' Terms of Use. That makes me happy, since the current Terms of Use give both users and Yahoo the flexibility to get things done.
Although it sheds a lot of light, your answer does beg a couple of important questions:
--Since you specify that existing members' TOU will not change, does that mean that new members' will be different from ours? If so, to address my original question, could you give us an executive-summary-level overview of the purpose?
--When you add that the TOU "may change in the future," is that just reminding folks that both Ludicorp and Yahoo reserved the right to change the TOU when they contracted with you?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Stanza 2:
Oh, Flickr Song and Flickr dance
Upon the Flickr lawn we'll prance
And as we float across the dew
I'll take a lomo shot of you.
--for Caterina
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Withheld - we can't really give legal opinions (for that you'd have to get your own lawyer) but as far as I understand it, the answer to your question is "no".
The Patriot Act doesn't give blanket powers to "authorities" (dog catchers? city council members? local police?) to demand personal information from any source on a whim.
It does make it easier for FBI agents of a specified rank to demand information under certain conditions. But they still have to apply to a judge and it's only in terrorism investigations and where "such investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution"
Check out the source: www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html -- you probably want to read section 215.
(And this is potentially an issue for Canadian businesses as well, especially those with American customers. Browse arond: search.yahoo.com/search?p=patriot+act+"canadian+busi...; )
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Matt Stevens - I'll just assume all your questions are rhetorical, but just in case: Maybe. No. Yes. :)
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Stewart: Not rhetorical; curiosity satisfied (Flickr's already massively transparent; and although I ask, I don't expect everything to be disclosed); heebie-jeebies as to my own TOU now completely soothed; thanks!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Just a question: If I go on vacation to Cuba and want to upload my holiday pictures to flickr.com from let's say, a cuban internet cafè, will I then still be able to log onto Flickr.com from that cafè after you've moved all the data from Canada to USA? I've been told that USA is blocking all internet traffic from Cuba.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
@stewart: your information is from late fall last year, that is before the senate spending bill and the intelligence reform bill.
Today, virtually everyone can be labeled a "terrorist" by any secret judge sitting in the depths of the pentagon.
@kallegutt: another problem with the US.
i'm sad as flickr was a great experience, but i am leaving
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Kallegutt, that could be easily disproven by browsing a few Cuban web sites :)
Give the amount of time and energy the US govt puts into trying to get US media (TV, radio, etc.) to Cubans it wouldn't make sense for them to block the democracy-lovin' net.
viceroy321: ok!
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
To answer a bunch of the other technical and site-specific questions from higher up on the thread (sorry for the slowness):
We have lots of servers in Canada. To simplify a little, there are three kinds: web servers, database servers and storage servers. We are replacing ALL of them with new hardware in our new data center.
Before we do the switchover, we'll copy all the code and supporting bits to the web servers and get the databases and storage servers set up. Then, immediately prior, we'll copy over the databases. Then we shut down the site, let the databases sync up, do some network magic and reopen: at that point your web browser will connect to web servers at the new facility. Web and database servers in the old facility will no longer be in use, but storage servers will.
From then on, all new photos uploaded will be stored at the new facility. Older photos will continue to be stored and served off the current storage servers in Vancouver while they are all copied over to the new facility -- that copying will happen over the network and will take weeks, but it won't affect Flickr performance and will be invisible to people using the site.
We're working on lots of other stuff right now, but the move is not combined with any other feature releases, design changes, etc. -- in other words, unless you're online during the downtime, you won't notice the move at all.
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Thanks for the explanation Stewart! We'll be a spacially distributed application for a couple weeks. It makes a lot of sense, who needs all the data coming from the same place as the html comes from, but on the other hand, it's kinda mind blowing! *laugh*
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Where can I buy a Flickr branded tin foil hat?
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
hehehe
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
|
|
Well, they make great ones in Cuba--perfect for deflecting Radio Marti. Unfortunately, since Flickr is now American, it can't buy them for the Schwag Stash. :-P
Posted 85 months ago.
( permalink
)
|
Feed – Subscribe to help discussion threads