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Great addition!
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Worked flawlessly for me for Gmail and Yahoo Mail, and I never had to expose my username/password like every other friend-finder. Nice work.
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I think the safest thing to do would be for you to make people have to OPT IN to be searchable. There are probably quite a few people on here that would rather not be found and may not know that this is now possible, and don't know that they have to opt out.
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Idiots.
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Flickr just seems to get better and better with these great additions they are making!
I can't wait to see what's next!
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Good job. Now, can you integrate Yahoo! address book for guest passes, too?
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I didn't find any of my friends using this, but I did find an old account of my own that I had completely forgotten about. For a split second I was like, "how did this person find all those photos of me???" Lol.
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Oh cool! I can find out who's been futilely resisting being here :)
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OMG!
Very cool!
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Very cool. Worked without any problems. Even found a few people I didn't know were on here.
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That's cool !!!....: )
Gaurav Dhwaj Khadka
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Argh... I got an error. It says Yahoo! Mail's servers are busy.
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Nice. Any possibility of being able to upload vCards? Or, a file in CSV format?
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Joelaz: is that a consistent issue every time?
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flammable: We'll consider it based on demand -- in the meantime, you can upload CSV and vCard into your Y! Address Book and then import to Flickr afterwards. An extra step, but it works!
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Any thoughts on the privacy issue I raised above?
Revealing information about users shouldn't be something a user has to opt out of. For example some people may not want their co-workers or potential employers to know that they have a flickr account. They should have to opt in instead of opt out. I think this could get ugly for some people who don't want to be found.
Also the setting for opting out should be changed. I may want to be found by my flickr buddy name, but just not by the new email address way. There should be a way to leave things the same way they were before. Now I can only opt out of everything or opt in for everything.
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Proggie: Privacy is something we take very seriously at Flickr. People have actually always been searchable by email address on Flickr (via "People Search"), and we chose to respect our member's existing people search preference settings (as well as make that preference page easier to find).
On the opt-out versus opt-in issue, this is something where we carefully weighed the options, and chose the default option based on what we feel would have the greatest benefit for the majority of our members. Just as we chose to make "public" the default for uploaded photos, we chose to preserve opt-out as the default for people search on Flickr.
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I agree it should be opt-in rather than opt out.
And the way opt out is currently set, if you opt out of email searches, you also remove your Flickr account name from any searches. Those are two very different levels of privacy and should be individually settable.
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Interesting. I just found a "spy" using this feature.
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alex.DC "Those are two very different levels of privacy and should be individually settable. "
I agree with this totally. There is a difference between someone being able to find my by email address if they are willing to enter it by hand.
However, to allow someone to search all of Flickr for hundreds of matching email addresses using an automated, off-Flickr list, is an entirely different level of intrusion.
And I resent having to hide my whole account just to keep my email private.
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Well I have always hated those messages from facebook telling me so and so has added me as a friend and I need to sign in to confirm etc etc - even though I don't even have a facebook page. I assumed it had to do with importing contacts. I guess this is something like that. It just means I will likely have to get yet another email account to have associated with my flickr account.
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mroth: I didn't know you could search by email before. I assumed it was only possible if you chose in your privacy settings to make your email public. In the new implementation it returns users even if they have chose to make their emails private.
I also agree (as I stated earlier) that the opt-out setting for the new email search should be separate from the other searches via user name, etc.
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Walwyn Hey!!! Watch my copyright.
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The Yahoo mail doesn't work for me, but the others work fine. Odd that Yahoo wouldn't, but maybe it's because everyone's using it at once.
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Thanks, mroth - I'll do that. :)
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@iansand
tit for tat mate. You used fuckwit the other day. I've submitted court papers where I referred throughout to "Mr Fuckwit".
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CollenM has mentioned one of the major problems here. What is to stop some "viagra/cell phone/porn" spammer from generating a list of 1000s of random email addresses, importing it into flickr and as a result getting the system to send out 100s of "Mr Nice Guy Spammer has made you a contact" messages, with there spam messages in their profile?
Or more sophisticated some one generates random emails to associates email addresses with user accounts. Then you analyse the account tags and can start generating targeted email to the account. Someone has had a new baby send them stuff related to infants, someone has a stream full of kittens send them stuff on pets.
My feeling is that this has been pushed through to placate the teenagers and twenty-something airheads.
For myself I have a special one off flickr only email associated with my account. the same as I have a one off facebook only address, and a one off LJ address. Being able to track people across networking sites is a disaster.
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I dont use these services, there should also be an option to import outlook contacts and facebook contacts.
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A watermarking tool for asserting copyright would be more useful (hint hint)
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For myself I have a special one off flickr only email associated with my account. the same as I have a one off facebook only address, and a one off LJ address. Being able to track people across networking sites is a disaster.
Well, then. You're safe aren't you?
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Well, then. You're safe aren't you?
From this form of security breach yes.
What I've not quite got a fix for is these up and coming social networking graphs where they cross reference contacts across numerous sites.
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I chose the option of checking my GMail contacts, and after granting permission, I found two who are in my GMail contacts, and I added the last search result to my contact listings.
I will have to check my Hotmail contacts later on.
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"there should also be an option to import outlook contacts and facebook contacts". And MySpace, Tagged, Bebo, and Hi-5, no doubt?
Would we then start getting endless Facebook "application" requests via Flickr - "Fred Nurk wants to club baby seals with you!", "Isaac Cox wants to bite the heads off canaries with you!", etc... If so, fuck that...
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So, if I don't want other people finding me through this feature, I have to hide my profile?
(Of course, I'm such a curmudgeon that I have no friends, so I'm not really worried about them finding me.)
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so here i go, to the
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apparantly the opt out function doesn't work...
now what?
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vfm4, thanks for the report. We're looking into the problem.
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Walwyn wrote
From this form of security breach yes.
How is it a security breach? If you've become someone's email contact, then they already have your email address and could search for you on Flickr using that. This only automates what could be done before.
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Eric wrote vfm4, thanks for the report. We're looking into the problem.
Eric, that's the second instance of that that I've read of today (the first wasn't in the Help Forum).
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The Yahoo button is broken for me too. It says "Aw no! There seems to be a problem with the Yahoo! Mail servers. Try again later?" - It's been like that since this morning.
As for the potential spam issue above - maybe a (annoying as they are) captcha beside each invite that needs to be completed before inviting?
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thank you, Eric!
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@Lú_
You don't need to have given anyone your email address for this. It can work pretty darn well with a fishing list of random email addresses.
But put that aside for a moment. You may well give my email address to a work colleague for some work related purposes, say you are a home worker, you should still have the right not to give them knowledge of your flickr account.
Likewise you may well give your email address to some company for a legitimate purpose, that doesn't mean that you've also given them the ability to data mine your flickr account and wider social network.
Now I acknowledge this doesn't affect me as I have unlimited email accounts, every organiization gets given a different one. However, I'm astonished that people aren't thinking this through.
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You may well give my email address to a work colleague for some work related purposes, say you are a home worker, you should still have the right not to give them knowledge of your flickr account.
But they can already search for you by email address on Flickr.
(And yes, there is potential for spam in this as in any email-based tool.)
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The Yahoo! link hasn't worked for me at all in the past 24 hours, since I first tried it.
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vfm4, the profile search optout now works! Sorry about that everybody. That was lame.
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thank you, Eric! it works now! :-)
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But they can already search for you by email address on Flickr.
I know, and it wasn't right then, a hangover from the 'old skool' login no doubt. The one good thing though was it had to be done one an address at a time.
there is potential for spam in this as in any email-based tool.
Spam is only one part of it. There is the whole issue of data mining too.
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Is this using the new GMail Contacts API?
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I applaud the Flickr staff for creating this new feature and making it easier for me to find my friends & family on Flickr.
Well done Flickr. Keep up the good work.
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If someone has your email they can search for you one email at a time. That's a huge difference than doing it in bulk.
Another difference is if for example you're on a mailing list and the messages get sent to your gmail. Every person that posts to the mailinglist gets added to gmail's address history, even if you don't personally have the person in your address book. So now I did a search for flickr members using gmail, and I got over a dozen hits. Most of them were for people that posted to that mailing list which is a work related mailing list. I'm sure many of those people didn't expect me to find them.
Another scenario is that you submit a resume to some company and provide your email address. Now the company can with ease search and see if any of the hundreds of applicants are flickr members.
I personally think that if a person can search by an email address that I have specifically hidden, this is a BUG. Should people be able to search for people by tags on hidden photos? Of course not. And this is the same reason you shouldn't be able to search on email addresses without the users' permission. And that means an opt-in instead of opt-out.
I'm not worried about this personally since I have nothing to hide, but I know people that will go ballistic when they learn about this new "feature".
At the very least the opt-out option should be split to opt out of only the email search, and the user should be sent to the preference automatically the next time they visit flickr, and they should also receive an email about this feature, so that everyone knows as soon as possible and can react accordingly. Personally I never visit the flickr home page and only reason I found out about this is that I read the flickr blog. I'm sure that there are those that don't go to the home page and don't read the blog.
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Huge privacy violation, as far as I'm concerned. Going to review my privacy settings right now.
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How about making it opt-in for current members with an announcement in one of those yellow boxes on the home page (and a link to the relevant page to change options) and opt-out for all future members as they'll know what they're signing up for?
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Proggie is totally right.
I just went to change my privacy option and was informed:
"Selecting this option means that you (your Flickr screen name or email address) won't be found by people searches or the "find your friends" feature. It also hides your buddy icon from appearing on any contact lists"
This is not granular enough.
Flickr's worst new feature since they forced us all to move to Yahoo logons.
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waferbaby: Yes, it is a consistent problem. I got the error several times yesterday and then again just now. It's specific to Yahoo! Mail... Gmail and Hotmail work fine.
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Not impressed.
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Time to change my Flickr email address to one that only Flickr and I know.
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How can someone figure out which email addresses are associated with their Flickr account? Is it every address associated with the Yahoo account used for Flickr? Or would it only look for addresses specifically added within Flickr?
Is there some sort of override to prevent multiple "come join the fun" emails being sent to the same person from multiple users? If not, it seems like a really good way to get Flickr blacklisted pretty quickly if this feature catches on.
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Here's where you can see the email addresses associated with your account: www.flickr.com/account?tab=email
And here's a quick set of instructions on how to change that email address to one you don't use for any other purpose (apologies to those who've seen this before), for those who don't want to hide their profile:
1. Make a new email address, whether that's Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, or some other service.
2. Add your new email address on this page: www.flickr.com/account/prefs/email/?from=email
3. Go to that new email account and confirm.
4. Go back to www.flickr.com/account/prefs/email/?from=email and make that new address your primary address.
5. Now delete the original email address.
6. Hide that email address on this page: www.flickr.com/account/prefs/privacy/?from=privacy
Remember that this is now the address that Flickr will send you mail on.
edit - Facebook has had the same feature, including the email you can send to everyone to invite them, for at least since I joined there, and I imagine a lot of other sites do too.
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Facebook has had the same feature,
Facebook is no example to be giving about privacy issues. They are absolutely atrocious in that respect.
www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=56666
www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/dec/20/facebook.privacy
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I think the new feature is pretty great. You've given the whining blowhards ways to opt-out, and it means that I can find some old friends I haven't connected with for some time.
Also, Flickr is a SOCIAL photo sharing service. For those of us who have been around since the early days at the E-Tech conference, we know it's always been meant to be a place you can share photos with friends and contacts.
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Walwyn wrote Facebook has had the same feature,
Facebook is no example to be giving about privacy issues. They are absolutely atrocious in that respect.
www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=56666
www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/dec/20/facebook.privacy
No, it's not, but automating an otherwise available task doesn't seem in itself to be a privacy issue: if there is a privacy issue, it was already there in the ability to search by email address to begin with. And it seems to me that there are much easier ways to go about harvesting email addresses than checking for them here.
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I find this new feature very similar to allowing us to search for people by location, which I believe Flickr said in the past they wouldn't do because of privacy issues. Even though people are more likely to make their city public than their email.
If a person wants their friends to know about their flickr account they would let flickr notify them, or email them themselves. If they want to reconnect with people they're not normally in touch with, they should opt-in to allow to be searched. Not the other way around.
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@Lú_
Its not about harvesting email address its about associating an email account with a flickr account. The flickr account tells you much more about a persons interests, there disposable income (EXIF details) than a email address. The email address gives you the ability to target those interests. You see the two combine together.
And yes I've expressed concern about the issue before this chnage, but I suppose as its always been possible by the API anyway there is nothing to worry about.
All is fine and dandy - carry on.
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It's great to hear all the feedback. Just wanted to clarify a few factual points:
* It has always been possible to search for Flickr members via email address, and in fact, possible to do this in bulk via the Flickr API. (A number of third party programs do so.)
* Until yesterday with the introduction of the "Find Your Friends" tool, there was no way possible on Flickr to opt-out of being searchable by email address. If someone knew your email address, you could be searched for via that even if you had hidden yourself from searches.
* With the introduction of the "Find Your Friends" tool, opting out of people search will not allow you to be found via email address. This includes via the Find Your Friends feature, the search box and advanced search, and via the Flickr API. (Minor exception: people who are already your contact on Flickr can search for you -- this logic has not changed.)
The idea of a more granular "advanced mode" permission around people search is something we will discuss internally on the team here.
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Thanks for the clarifications.
I consider the first point a bug (and privacy violation) then, if the email was hidden in the user's profile. I just never noticed because it wasn't as convenient to do searches as it is now.
I had no idea about doing it by Flickr API. Does anybody know which websites do it? This is particularly scary to me (fear of the unknown).
Thanks for discussing the more granular permissions. I hope you can find a quick and easy way to make it so. I would also like to separate opting out of searches within flickr and from 3rd party APIs.
If you can't make it an opt-in, I would also strongly urge you to make this feature more explicitly known to each user so that those that know about it can opt-out.
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Proggie's on the money here, as always. The model of hierarchy of trust and disclosure in the Flickr community - family / friends / contacts / rest of the world - is fundamentally broken if personal information (like email addresses) can be retrieved by searches, irrespective of where the searcher sits within the target's trust hierarchy. So when discussing the matter internally, think about the trust model that was designed in on day one, and try to make the solution fit that model.
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Staff. Nifty idea but I'm getting the same issue about mail servers as joelaz. It's been like this for the last day. Google has worked fine for me. The error states:
"Aw no! There seems to be a problem with the Yahoo! Mail servers. Try again later?"
Thanks for looking into the problem.
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Very nice tool! I added 10 friends now!
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Great idea ! Addition of Outlook, Plaxo, Facebook contacts would make it perfect !
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When I ran this it said that "There are 48 people in your Gmail address book who are also on Flickr! (That's not counting 72 people who are already your contacts.)"
Is there a way to find out who the 72 people are? Could that be a link to a list?
I also note the list doesn't exclude accounts which are blocking you. I assume those would just fail, but it would probably be better if they were excluded up front.
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AustinTX: Thanks, we'll fix that right away.
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This is the same thing that you already had, it just lets you import the addresses instead of typing them in manually.
I still wish there was a way to find people YOU DIDN'T KNOW in your area. I don't have many friends and I would LOVE to find other photographers in my area.
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TheWorldThroughMyEyes: I suggest you join (or create) a group for your local area and invite people in the group to meetup. For example here in Vancouver there is a very active meetup group.
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Big up for Proggie who speaks up for a lot of us who feel that this new functionality has serious privacy issues. :)
Even if I love Flickr, the fact that so many flickrites, facebookers and many other online communities' members have no second thoughts about putting all their address book data up for grabs really scares me.
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AustinTX: This should be fixed now - you'll no longer see blocked peeps. Feel free to let me know if this is/isn't the case.
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@waferbaby
So does that work both ways? I think AustinTX's query was not seeing people that were blocking him.
BTW "The idea of a more granular "advanced mode" permission around people search is something we will discuss internally on the team here."
That is definitely something someone should be working on.
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Safari can't verify the identity of the website "consent.live.com"
Safari 3.1, Leopard 10.5.2, Macbook. Should I be concerned about phishing?
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So does that work both ways? I think AustinTX's query was not seeing people that were blocking him.
Yes, it should work both ways.
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mohamednazmi: This appears to be an issue with Safari. If you "show certificate details" you'll see it should be signed by VeriSign for Microsoft. You can either check this or verify the URL on your browser is actually at live.com if you are concerned about phishing.
Hopefully Apple will update Safari soon to fix this certificate error.
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The Yahoo link still not working for me, with Firefox or IE. Google works fine.
Help. Please?
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We're trying to work out the problem with the Y! link not working for some members with the folks at the Y! Address Book team. We know it's a problem still.
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Oh Oh, this is a serious privaciy issue. I just reviewed and changed my privacy settings :-\ :-(. Unfortunately this will also hide the buddy icon from my contacts lists, which is quite not what I want as it destroys some of the community features of flickr. I just was expecting you can opt out of the new thing and keep all other things as they were before.
This feature is in my eyes, in its current implementation not good and decreases my flickr experience.
BTW I don't want to make a new e-mail for each and every webpage so please dont give this as a solution as its a NON-SOLUTION for this ptroblem, jsut a dirty workaround.
This new feature is as unpleasant as the forced german safe search settings, which disallows me to amin my group properly as I'm unable to see restricted photos posted to my group, with no chance to clean my pool of them.
I thinjk flickr should do their homwork first and FIX all the outstanding issues they created with the privacy filters before they should introduce new troublesome features.
I'm very disappointed of flickr now :-(
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One step back, I just found one of the staff repies above ;) If the mentioned internally discussed more granular settings will come SOON (within 3 weeks) I'll be happy again :):D But still not completely satisfied as of the groups issue.
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 Just a thought, would the fact my Yahoo address is .fr have anything to do with it the address-book problem?
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I like the friend finder, however I don't have anyone in my address book for yahoomail. Will there ever be a search feature that will allow us to search by ZIP code or location?
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: Probably not. Way too many creepy types out there, even without taking into account privacy issues, etc.
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As detailed here, being able to search for Flickr members via your address book is already turning out to be a marvellous tool for stalkers...
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I also think this opens up the automated e-mail search for a broad spectrum of users. Before with the API and special Apps it was not as easy as now. So I think an option to just opt out of the e-mail import things is necessary and let the other things working as before.
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is there some way to change the yahoo address book i want it to search?
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@Dr. Keats
Its not surprising. With 13,000,000+ members, someone somewhere is going to have given their email to an arsehole. If the rate of arseholes in relationships is just 1% that would still result in over 100,000 members in a similar situation and a potentially ruined flickr presence.
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Khushroo: Nope, only the one attached to the Yahoo! address you use for your Flickr account.
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Dr. Keats - only according to you.... there's no proof that the Friend Finder had anything to do with it whatsoever.
Posted 19 months ago.
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Hey, to anyone who had problems with the Yahoo! importing, could you give it another shot for me now and let me know?
We worked with the Address Book team and sorted some magic out.
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Interesting. I had assumed that when I selected the setting for my email address in my profile to "hide this from everyone" that it wouldn't be revealed through a reverse lookup, either. My bad, for not checking, I guess.
I am very very very *very* glad that now there is an ability to opt out of that... that's probably the best thing to come out of this new feature (since I already know which of my friends and family are on flickr ;-) )....
I don't hide my email address to "hide" from people that I know on the internet (impossible, I know).. I just do it to make it a little more difficult for people who I know casually to find me in idle searches. I suspect I am not alone in this.
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Um.. and for what it's worth, it looks like there's a bug in the opt-out of all searches for profiles.. even though an opted-out person doesn't show up in one of their contacts' contact lists, if that person doesn't have any photos, that opted-out person still does show up in the list of 'Pictures from [photoless someones] friends..'
I don't particularly care, since I would rather opt out of just email, and not all searches.. but thought you might want to know. :)
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waferbaby. Yay! It worked. Thanks. Unfortunately it only came up with four people, one of them being my other email account. :P
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WAXY: Awesome!
Sadly, the feature can't make you new 'friends' (yet? :p), just find existing ones.
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How can I get "Find your friends" off my flickr home page? I have no intention of using this feature and it is just irritating me every time I go to my home page. I don't need to be greeted by an exhortation I don't want to follow. Stop telling me what to do. Or, help me help you stop telling me what to do. I did skim the thread and didn't see the answer.
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