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will the performance get better again? :)
Great feature at all .. I have several comments on the translation. Can I adress them? Where? :)
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yes it was Heather.... I was crying for 15 mins!!! No flickr!!! ;o)
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Site performance was in the tubes there for a bit, but we resolved the issue. Things should be singing now!
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Markus, we had a bit of rough launch... but the team is working through the performance issues. Flickr should return to normal shortly.
In terms of translations, I think that we're working on a new Help by Email topic where people can provide feedback for translations suggestions.
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Thank you so much!
Merci beaucoup!!!
I saw the delay as soon as it started, then a few seconds with the new Flickr page with the message about languages and then I waited patiently to get the Flickr page back so I could say thank you! I knew it was coming and now I am glad. This is a great improvement.
Good job! You have been working very hard!
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Eric heather Thanks :) For both answers.
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Some more questions ...
Do you have any idea:
- if the API will change and how and when?
- will there be more language specific features? (explore ... forums ... something like this)?
- what about language specific tags?
- get photos language tags in the future?
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Where can I change the language except in the front page?
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There's a line of language links on the bottom of every page.
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On the bottom of every page I can see a line where you can switch the languages. Its below the footer that we already know from every page in flickr.
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Yes on the forums (it exists now), I'll need to check on the API stuff and most likely not on explore.... We're working towards Community Managers to support all languges and the forums will be more fully supported in the near future with stuff like [Official Topics].
The site is working from one global database so Explore will continue to reflect the full site and what the Flickrverse is looking at.
Today is the first step in International.. we can only get better from here.
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it is working great here.. all languges are ok..
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heather Great! Thanks for any support for the developer community! Like it. Even if I have to say, that it is somehow unusual seeing flickr in my own language ... maybe I am already too long with it in english ;)
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I'm getting constant "navigation error" no matter what part of flickr I try to open. When it does open it's taking an enormous amount of time. This is of course "after" the statement from Eric above that the system issues have been resolved. I'm not seeing it myself. Please tell me the new changes have NOT fundamentally and permantly effected my WebTV2 I-Net's ability to navigate flickr quickly like before. When stating the system issues will be resolved shortly, about how long an ETA to a solution to the problems I've listed do you think?
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(I'm French, but still use the English version) So far, from what I've seen, the French translation of the site is PERFECT! Rare to see good grammar in a translated website :-) Congrats!
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Thanks Eleven Eight, I'll pass that on to our translators... This project has been months in the making and the team is thrilled that we've launched.
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I just niticed, will the paypal payment option be back sometime? If now i'm forced to leave flickr upon expirey of my pro account as I'm not able to pay by credit card. Some of my friends either.
Very disappointed to see the paypal payment option vanishing :-(
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!Mimosa!: the French translations were actually decided upon by a combined team of French and Canadian translators, who tried to strike a balance between the two. We'll definitely share feedback with the teams though.
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myfear:We've not made any API changes as part of the launch, although it's worth noting the RSS feeds are now available in all supported languages.
At some point in the future we'll probably add language specific features where it makes sense to do so. If you have any specific ideas or requests for API improvements, the best place to discuss them is the Flickr API mailing list
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What about other languages? hunagrian for example Will you translate to further languages ?
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From my german perspective, the first impression is: very well done! But I was a little bit shocked as I entered the forum and found myself in a new german help forum! I was wondering whether I will ever be able to attend this original site here, but then I discovered the select option.
If I see it right, it only affects the version of the forum if I switch from the german general settings to the english forum?
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Paul Hammond Thanks again. I highly appreciate your support with my questions. Its a great community here!
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Well, I see that portuguese is portuguese from Brazil (pt-br). I just want to put my vote for a release of portuguese from Portugal (pt-pt) ;-).
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Awwww, Flickr doesn't love me en francais!
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heather, hitherto Well congrats on both the French and Canadian translators! Still haven;t found a mistake! And we, French people, usually find things to say against Canadian French. I guess the balance is right!
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Nice touch! I like the Chinese Big 5 version.
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Remmy1: that's right.
We know that some of our existing users would like to view the site in (say) German but still see the (say) English forum, so we added that as an option.
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Will there be an Urdu [ur] version available in future? Can i be on any help?
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Had a look at the German version and it is a great step forward! Just the use of the formal "you" (Sie) looks very strange to me on a site like flickr. But hey, I think I'll stay with English anyway ;) It's just that I'm used to all the terms you use and a translation sometimes makes it kind of weird, e.g. translation of popular, tertimonial and collection. This may only be due to the fact that I'm used to the English words and I even don't have better ideas how to translate them :( (translating a web site in multiple languages is really hard).
But I think this is a very good step and it will make using flickr easier for many people!
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I'd like to know if Flickr will be available in Dorsetshire speak:
"Ello moi luver, wood you loike to make that thur photograph public or private, then, eh?"
WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN!?!
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Just the use of the formal "you" (Sie) looks very strange to me on a site like flickr.
carsten42: Just so you know, we thought about that one for a long time... The concern was about new German-speaking members and whether or not it would be weird for them to see the informal... Do you think it would be weird if you were new to a site?
dunstan: As soon as you translate everything ;)
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and what about Southern American?
Hey hun, you wont ta make 'at pitcher public er prahvit?
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Looks lahk somebody's bin lookin at yer pitchers again. And they done made a friend out of ya too.
WHEN?
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I read on a couple of news sites that there will be a Dutch translation as well some day ?
I personally don't care much about a Dutch version, but it makes it a lot easier for some of my family members/friends :)
Source ( in dutch):
www.emerce.nl/nieuws.jsp?id=1999498
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very cool, flickr! I'm so excited that you went with Big 5.
may your members multiply many fold.
and membership too. :-p
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George
Do you think it would be weird if you were new to a site?
Depends upon the age of the target audience.
I guess the younger germans (don't want to cut this down to an age .. not to do someone wrong ;)) will be better of with the unformal "Du" ... it realy looks weird to me (I am 30 something ;))
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Bjorn, Dutch is not likely to happen anytime soon, given the high percentage of English speakers in the Netherlands. :/
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Do you have any plan to add Japanese? I think it'll help my parents...
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Kind of surprised to see the "Minhas coisas" in Português, where I expected to see a "você".
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congratulations flickr!
but... what about catalan language?? in catalonia english level isn't very high and I think tranlating flickr will increase the number of flickers
if flickr staff want, I can help to translating!!
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Thanks for doing this! As an internationalization guy i'm really happy to see this :-)
I notice you resorted to just icons above photos for All Sizes etc. I assume that that's due to the fact that text in translation was too long? (I'd like to know so I can use it as an example in my conference talks and articles, if you don't mind.).
One odd thing. If you are in English at flickr.com/recent.gne and you click on "public flickr forum", then change language you see all the English posts with foreign UI strings. If you change language before following the link, you see only posts in that language.
The reason I noticed it is that i'd like to be able to read posts in that forum in more than one language, and switching between them in there is a bit tricky. It would be cool to be able to set a personal preference that allowed me to view posts in multiple language streams on the same page - eg. tell Flickr that I speak French, Spanish and English and have it include posts in all those languages. (Note that bilingualism is very common outside US and UK.)
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Chinese Flickr users are reporting some translation suggestion or errors in Chinese fourm: www.flickr.com/help/forum/zh-hk/42495/
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GustavoC, seems the portuguese is more of a brasilan ... notice the "Por quê?" at the homepage..... ;)
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Do you think it would be weird if you were new to a site?
I think I'd find the formal address a bit offputting if I were new to flickr, and I'm 36... the site I work for uses "du", and it's aimed at 20/30-somethings (well, that's who uses it anyway).
Kind of surprised to see the "Minhas coisas" in Português, where I expected to see a "você".
for german I'd say the exact opposite - just "sie" (or even "du") looks really odd there - maybe something like "dein flickr"? in general, the translations look pretty good though.
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seems the portuguese is more of a brasilan
Some people have posted in the past asking why flickr uses the style "Your photos" instead of "My photos". The point I'm making is that in all translations that I can understand, this is consistently "you" and "your photos", except for the Português, which switches to "my things".
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Urm I dont know if this is the place to post this but I have mine set to English but when i goto the ORGANISE bit its all in german? (at least i think its german) is this a bug?
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"spanish" should be "Castellano" instead of "Español"
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Eric, bit strange then ... according to that Article, Pepijn Breijder (apparently director Yahoo Netherlands) claimed it would be.
Ah well like I said, I hope there will be a dutch version since it would make it easier for family members.
But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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r12a: "I notice you resorted to just icons above photos for All Sizes etc. I assume that that's due to the fact that text in translation was too long? (I'd like to know so I can use it as an example in my conference talks and articles, if you don't mind.)."
Yes, that's exactly why. I think German and Portuguese were particularly long.
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I'm having a bit of a trouble here. I chose the English version, but the invitation (Invite this photo ...) drop-down menu is in Spanish. I tried to shut down the browser (IE7) and opening it again, but my invitation text is still in Spanish. All other text on site is in English. Please, help.
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Just to update on the choices of languages - we haven't decided what we'll be covering yet!
Personally, I'd love to translate Flickr into as many languages as we can, but it depends on quite a few factors. There'll almost certainly be more to come, though!
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r12a: I noticed that quirk on the forums this morning, too. I'll try to fix that sometime in the next week or so.
We also considered arbitrary multi-language forums, but we didn't want to complicate the interface early on. If it's a popular request we'll definitely look at adding it.
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thanks staff good thing
helps a lot of peoples
but please please as the next goal
more paidment methods ;)
thanks
creditcards and paypal
many peoples in old europe not trust or have it not
thanks and rock on
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Small mistake: the tooltip for the "browse" button in a context widget says "Navegoar" in Spanish. The proper word is "navegar".
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Thanks Dunstan and hitherto
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"spanish" should be "Castellano" instead of "Español"
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I found a bug in Chinese fourm. When I select "The Fourm in Traditional Chinese" in the selection box, and it will jump to www.flickr.com/help/forum/zh-tw/ . But when using Traditional Chinese interface, the default Chinese fourm is www.flickr.com/help/forum/zh-hk/ .
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OK scratch my comment, went back in and it seems to have corrected itself :) great work btw all the staff!! you rock ;)
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Just invited a photo into the group. In English. Looks like it works now. Thnx.
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selecshine & tr33lo: There seems to be an issue with forcing the different language files through the caching server and peoples local caches. Try clearing your cache if you see the problem again, we'll work on getting the cache busting working for everyone.
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What I do not like about multi-language is that one now has to scan two or even more separate forums, one for each language.
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I Don't mean to sound like a dictator or anything. I Think that this
is going to be excellent for people who cannot speak english at all
and want to share pictures with there family etc.. However, i think
this may confuse people, more so, and the complications of multiple
languages will make flickr a less interesting site to browse, the
main thing is that a common language unifies people, i know many
who where learning english good from flickr, and they were happy
about this fact, in my personal opinion i think this latest move
by flickr is simply a move by Y! to increase there profits by "reaching"
more people.
I Guess we all need to say goodbye to the flickr we once knew :p
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No, don't scratch that topic tr33lo: when I opened up Organizer I was greeted with instructions in German, which I didn't request. It's been 20 years since I took German as a college freshman, so my vocabulary is zehr schlect, aber ich kann fake it, sorta. ;-)
Anyway, I'd like this to be corrected.
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thanks sakura_senshi. We are working on it.
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 "We also considered arbitrary multi-language forums, but we didn't want to complicate the interface early on. If it's a popular request we'll definitely look at adding it." - I want it too ;-)
Also, will Polish (ever) be one of the languages?
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George, to answer your question further up:
Everywhere in the net, the more informal "Du" is used in all kinds of conversations in German, other than in real life, where the formal "Sie" is used until you are "allowed" to get more informal.
Flickr is an informal site from the get-go, and the "Sie" seems definitely out of place.
Other than that:
Great job, guys 'n gals (informal, flickrish) - a job well done, ladies and gentleman (formal) - gute Arbeit, meine Damen und Herren! (formal) - Klasse gemacht, Jungs und Mädels! (informal)
;-)
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Just one small thing, I noticed that on my photo page when I switched to French my photo titles and descriptions were still in English. It would be great to have these translated too. :)
Other than that everything looks great.
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I am so happy that we have a French version!
I am glad you worked with translators from both continents. Keeping a balance is hard since there are differences between French in Québec (and the rest of Canada) and French in Europe. In some ways, we speak very differently because our French derives from an old regional French from the first settlers and it has evolved separately like a branch of a tree. We use very different terminology in some cases. Unique to Québec, we have been working very hard since more than four decades to eliminate "anglicismes" (English words not yet in our dictionary and used inappropriately in French) to keep our language pure. So thank you!
I created the first discussion in the French Forum and left some invites. If the staff, the translators and other francophones wish to take a look at the thank you's, see:
Flickr en français! Merci!!!!
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Gustavo, I am portuguese (european) If you notice, it is brazilian (Olha só! se cadastrar, de todo mundo, conectando and the most brazillian "por quê" - european because is not separated") ... but hat's another discussion ... just perhaps would be nice to specify that it is PT (BR) and not plain PT.
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chrispederick
You have to do that on your own as I have always done for every photo.
Vou devez faire cela par vous-même comme j'ai toujours fait pour chaque photo.
This is not a translation service. Ce n'est pas un service de traduction.
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Kudos in terms of the translations, though the community manager jobs were posted ages ago (in web terms anyway) and I haven't heard of anyone being hired yet, any updates on when we'll have international Heathers?
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julian- Good hint :) Same to me. No reply at all up to now ... still waiting ... maybe this takes some time ...
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Thank you, Flickr devs!
Mein Herz gehoert euch! :-)
Just like others mentioned before me, I'll stick with English for several reasons. However I'm very thankful for my German friends and relatives who had a hard time with the "english only" Flickr. Today is a GREAT day for them!
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Small bug I just noticed when I tested the German version here in the forum:
xxx- hat dieses Thema am vor 2 Minuten bearbeitet.
The "am" should not be there.
Edited to fix html
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Flickr Staff, hitherto and francophones
I started a discussion in the French Forum for improvement or correction suggestions concerning the new French version of Flickr:
Nouvelle version de Flickr en français: suggestions d'améliorations ou de corrections à faire
(Staff: I can translate everything for you as I was educated in French and in English)
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Thank you for including the other languages. I'm sure a lot of users will find it helpful. My problem, though, is that although I have set the language to English [and indeed all the links on the page appear in English], all the pop-up windows now have started appearing in German. Not a huge problem since I can pretty much guess what those pop-ups are saying from past experience, but it would be nice to have those back in English again if that is at all possible. Thanks.
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I hope that i will see Polish version soon :-)
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THANK YOU. This will finally enable many of our friends and family members to enjoy Flickr, because most of them do not speak English. Thanks again!
Walter
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Same problem as Baron von Beerfest, and although I speek German, I would prefer to see all the pop-up windows in English. Is there any way this can be fixed please?
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Thanks Baron, we are working a fix for that.
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Thanks very much, Eric, for the quick response. Much appreciated. It all seems to be working fine now.
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Hi,
I've opened a thread at the German forum for translation errors and suggestions:
www.flickr.com/help/forum/de-de/42523/
Rock on!!!
Azchael
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hitherto and others
I must protest to having my photostream called a "book" which is the English word for livre, a book to read.
How about Grand Album (large album)? That would include all small albums.
Also, I would have called collections collections. It is the same word in French. We call it classeur which means filling cabinet and file?
I suggest this hierarchy for photostream, collections, sets:
Grand Album
Collections
Albums
That would make so much more sense!
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Very cool to see this.
I might suggest that the Language links at the bottom of the page be streamlined into the existing bottom menu rather than seperate and centered, but that's just me.
Something like:
Activity
You
Explore
Language
Help
Or better yet, hidden with a little flag icon and showing up only when needed. Having chosen a language preference I will never need the navigation links at the bottom of the page.
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Wouldn't it make sense to have this topic in every language forum?
How about the future, will we have translations of the official topics and will there be answers from the staff in each language?
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When moderating a group, the button "UPDATE THE QUEUE" appears not to have been translated.
Edited to add: actually, in the same page " Pool / Pending photos" hasn't been translated either.
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I'm using the pt-br localization, and the translation is, by and large, very good indeed.
Where should we point out any translations we find unusual? In this thread? In the help threads of the forum for that language?
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Pandarine et al: Thanks for your feedback re: la deutsch :)
I was actually desperate for informality, so it's great to hear you say you think it would be alright... We'll definitely look at switching that around. The less formal, the better!
*tries not to swear*
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Yay!
Super!!! :-)
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On the question of informality, as noted at FlickrCentral:
Flickr loves us, but only in Spanish, it seems.
In the French and German versions, we are addressed by the formal versions of "you" (Vous and Sie respectively).
In the Spanish version, we are addressed as the intimate Tu, and not the formal Usted.
Is Flickr having an Hispanic affair ?
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Yeah agree, I'm also from germany and would like to see the german version in the informal variant. So you can count me in for this ;)
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I would not ever want to be called tu, the informal you, in French when in a public environment.
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GustavoG: Thanks (as ever) for pointing those out. We've sent them to the translators, and we'll get them fixed as soon as possible.
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One of the reasons it came to my particular attention was that the translation team had chosen to say "Me" instead of "You" in the main navigation (in German). This was a substantial change in the voice we use around the place -- "the computer is talking to you -- but, if I'm hearing from *actual German speakers* who are telling me Du might be OK, that's excellent news :)
Mimosa: that's interesting to hear - the polar opposite!
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I like the word-less icons above photos. I'd like to see them on the English pages too ;-)
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Hey flickr pals!
Correct the broken link of news in flickr.com home page for logged in users!
It's:
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Flickr News
12 Jun 07, 8.31PM IRDT - Well, look here! Flickr now speaks seven additional languages: French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Spanish and Traditional Chinese. This... read more news
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And directs you a super ugly 404 not-found page, even not a flickr style one!
Sorry, congratulations on this new feature :)
I wish there exists Persian (Farsi) too...
Posted 72 months ago.
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A couple more:
In the Spanish version, the timestamps for postings capitalize the word "hace" inappropriately: "Publicado Hace 11 segundos."
When editing a group's name/description, if one attempts to use the same name as that already being used by another group, one gets the "name in use" error message. If at that point one tries to switch language, one gets the "page not found" error.
Posted 72 months ago.
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Hamed, that link works for me. Hrmmm. Maybe a temporary glitch?
Posted 72 months ago.
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@George,
for the "old" netizens of germany who are using the internet for years now they are used to the informal language used in the internet. Also the germany usenet hirarchy generally uses "Du" and the first names to adress the people.
Posted 72 months ago.
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Dude. You guys rock. I'm busy trying to convince myself that browsing around in french counts as work.
Posted 72 months ago.
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