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Not sure if other Flickr users in China are currently posting in this thread?; www.flickr.com/help/forum/41998/
"Can't see any images (China June 7th)"
I'm dying to read what's being discussed there!!!
The thread itself is blocked here, and with or without a proxy, the connection is reset in seconds. Anyone want to give us (censored victims) an update from that thread?
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"As there's already a thread on this over here: www.flickr.com/help/forum/41998/ I'm going to lock this one down to keep things together."
You realize that all Flickr members in China can NOT access that thread right? Keep them together my azzzzzz. Thanks :-S
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If you download vidalia, using Firefox, you can access any site anywhere
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There's been no official update to that thread in the past 9 hours. I'm trying to keep an eye on it. will remember to post back here if there's an updated message from staff.
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@lifeimage
I think there's update a few minutes ago. Try OperaTOR
(http://letwist.net/operator) or 无界。
Guess there are censored keywords in that post.
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Lifeimage I tried to send you page one, and for somereason my browser wont let me flickrmail you the first page in that thread, I mailed you the copy of page two.
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thanks, OperaTor works perfectly!!!
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thanks ladyphoenixx_1999. I believe I had read most of page one last night....also I'll try to access it using vidalia in a few minutes.
I have another favour to ask you guys....
The most recent picture in my photostream, "10 seconds new", of my newborn son was uploaded June 6th. It is set to 'public', yet family and friends in North America tell me it is not there. Can someone confirm if it's there or not?
Thanks....
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Yes, this thread is unavailable here in Beijing now, as well as the photos - except, bizarrely, to one friend of mine, and we have no idea why!
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lifeimage i can see it here in canada
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ok, great! thanks, canuck4everr.
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Vidalia supports Mac OS X, Great! Thank you so much willygoldman!
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Thanks again ladyphoenixx, received your message and I'm reading through it now.
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༺lifemage༻ I can only see that image when SafeSearch filter is set to moderate or off. If family and friends have SafeSearch on, they will not see it.
Congratulations and best wishes!!
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any official announcements from Flickr staffs?
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i've just uploaded an image... i think people can see it... but i cant see my own image. its so frustrating
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Thread can be open, wait a few seconds and press on the stop on your browser.
It sucks allright....
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i've just uploaded an image... i think people can see it... but i cant see my own image. its so frustrating
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Yes, this sucks! Flickr should make an announcement.
What is happening? What is going to happen?
Many of us are PAYING customers and deserve atleast some attention to our situation here.
So, please respond to us Flickr!!!
Anything is better than nothing at all.
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birdyboo, thanks! just checked and the image was set to "moderate" by flickr staff (that's a whole other thread). I thought for a moment it had something to do with this CHINA issue.
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As a flickr user (living and working in China) Yantai, Shandong Province, I completely agree with you - Yahoo/flickr should indeed do something or at least comment on he problem - Yes
because of it being blocked (maybe its key words) maybe its something to do with a certain date - of a certain event whatever the reason yahoo/flickr owes its users an explanation considering that it openly cooperates with this extremist regime (read dictatorship)
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BoazImages.
You wrote that the thread can be opened by pressing on the stop of the browser. Could you please tell me in detil how to do that. I am really not very technically minded.
Thanks a lot!
This is so frustrating!
Maggie
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Don't expect any business to do anything but roll over and comply with any censorchip the chinese govt imposes, in fact they will probably pass any 'offenders' details to the secret police. I doubt Yahoo/Flickr will try and fly the flag for freedom.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6724531.stm
Amnesty is concerned that censorship is on the increase.
"The Chinese model of an internet that allows economic growth but not free speech or privacy is growing in popularity, from a handful of countries five years ago to dozens of governments today who block sites and arrest bloggers," said Tim Hancock, Amnesty's campaign director.
"Unless we act on this issue, the internet could change beyond all recognition in the years to come.
More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts," he said.
According to the latest Open Net Initiative report on internet filtering, at least 25 countries now apply state-mandated net filtering including Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Burma, Ethiopia, India, Iran, Morocco and Saudi Arabia.
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Yay! I can see this thread after several tries!
*If anyone outside of China can flickrmail me the contents of the second page of the other, blocked thread, I'd be very grateful - I have no idea what's going on.*
And if THIS thread gets blocked, someone start another one under the code word 'fluffy bunnies' or something completely innocent, OK? :-) (I'm hoping that's just a joke but you never know....)
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@ Mockney:
"....in fact they will probably pass any 'offenders' details to the secret police."
You know, that's a hell of an indictment against Yahoo/Flickr. Perhaps, it would be wiser not to make statements that cannot be proved in public Forums. Please pardon the critique.
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I noticed the same thing this AM. Its absolutely disgusting. My pictures are to share with my friends and family. There is absolutely nothing political in nature about them. Sick, but glad I'm not the only one with the problem.
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A few of my pictures can be seen, but nearly all of them can't.
When will Flickr behave with integrity and honestly clarify what has happened?
Whatever has happened and whoever is responsible, thanks for making my blog look like I don't know how to deep link to pictures properly.
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Any staff out there want to give those of us actually affected by this an update in this thread?
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UPDATE US PLEASE, FLICKR
Signed,
A stranded photographer in Beijing
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i felt helpless to live in this communist nation without freedom of press, speech and internet.
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text are intact. No pictures.
June. 8, 2007 4:28 PM. Beijing
This sucks man!
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Stewart just posted this update in the official thread (for those of you who can't access that one):
Friends - let's try to stick to the Flickr help related core issue here (there are plenty of other places to discuss politics or, presumably, xylene :)
Unfortuantely, the firewall's administrators don't provide contact details, so we can't just call up someone who makes decisions about which sites are blocked and plead our cases. All we can do at this point is continue to monitor, seek advice from colleagues closer to the region and/ore with more experience.
We definitely haven't forgotten about you, but there is not much for us to announce publicly at this point. As soon as anything changes, will let you know. And we're all rooting for you!
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try this everyone. really easy and can see all the photos...
a bit slower, but enough to satisfy my needs
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thanx i will try!! the government sucks!!
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Freedom!!!
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Does anyone know if Tor works if you are also running Norton Anti-Virus? I installed it, following all the directions, but nothing.
By the way, thanks Aleeshka for realising what the Flickr staff apparently haven't yet...
Flickr staff... *waving* ...we're all over here! :-)
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V For Vendetta
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@1980Nic
Tor will work if it is connected to the Internet, check your own firewall to see if you blocked it.
But sometimes Tor will not work, because it is said that China has built some fake Tor server to prevent it. In this situation, just restart your Tor to setup another connection.
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1980nic: We see you! :)
I've posted a new locked topic to the forum - at least that way we can keep you updated in a single place without anything contentious being said, and the topic will (hopefully) remain visible to you all.
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i can't see anything either. i thought it was a problem at my end first. but after finally stumbling across the forum. i find that i'm not the only one. before the whole site used to be blocked off for couple of days but now it's the photos. blocks usually last for a couple of days. but lets see what happens this time. so freaking disappointed. can't see any images.
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It is a shameful act in itself, but even more for a country that will be the center of the world during the Olympics next year. I hope the press will pay more than usual attention to this event.
In the meantime I'm trying to find proxies that work, but it seems that they have become more successful in blocking them as well.
For those of you who are also in China: still planning to cover the Olympic preparations and games via Flickr?
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i'm somewhere in the northeast and it's true.. i the other day, i thought it's all just network problem.. but now.. it's not..
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CENSORSHIP and MURDER, witnessed by the mountaineers earlier this year....doesn't the world see China (the government) for what they really are. But we defer and acknowledge them by awarding them the Olympic games??
We say we support Freedom & Truth ...but we bow to commercial pressure. SHAME!
At least here let's keeping finding a way around THEM.
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The Spouter, how about this...
www.betanews.com/article/Yahoo_Sued_for_Aiding_Chinese_Au...
Yahoo is finding itself in legal hot water over assisting Chinese authorities in identifying an Internet user accused of writing "subversive" messages about the country's government.
Yu Ling, wife of Wang Xiaoning, sued the company in US District Court for the Northern District of California, accusing Yahoo of violations of Alien Tort Claims Act and the Torture Victims Protection Act.
Yahoo was first identified by the group as the source of the information in April of last year. This wasn't the first time Yahoo had done so; it was the fourth publicized case of the company handing over information to Chinese authorities.
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come on, its been almost 2 days... do something!!!
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Firefox + Access Flickr = Pictures!
中文: Firefox + Access Flickr = 图片! 下载又快又容易!
Thanks to Hamed Saber for the plugin!
If you don't have Firefox, it only takes a few minutes to download, and the plugin is even quicker, so it's definitely worth it.
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SO bad. I had to re-edit my web to explore my photo correctlly, or my business can't run as befor. This is a lot of jobs. Please resolve it immedietlly.
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Once Flickr has used its influence to get the chinese government to back down over blocking photographs can they please urgently get china to stop human rights abuses in Tibet...oh and whilst your at it stop the japanese whaling fleet and the canadian seal cull......
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Oh boy! I'm usually easily roused by political issues of human rights and abuses of freedom abuses of power - and have been fighting these good fights for most of my fairly long life. But, you know what - all I care about in this issue is this: I now live and teach in China and I JUST WANT TO SEE THE PHOTOS ! My relationship with photo friends through Flickr is more than 3 years old and it truly is my global community. I want to get back to the photo play ground where my friends are waiting.
Please, someone tell me there is some hope.
China is blowing it in a lot of ways these days,, with poison in pet foods, toothpaste, cough syrup. - but, oh, this is just way to close to my heart, now blocking Flickr. I'm taking this personally!!
Please, someone tell me there is some hope.
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I JUST TRIED THIS AND IT WORKS.
I CAN NOW SEE ALL THE PHOTOS.
Firefox + Access Flickr = Pictures!
中文: Firefox + Access Flickr = 图片! 下载又快又容易!
Thanks to Hamed Saber for the plugin!
If you don't have Firefox, it only takes a few minutes to download, and the plugin is even quicker, so it's definitely worth it.
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I'm in Beijing, and I can see photos that are on farm1, but not the ones that are on farm2. Chinese internet blocking seems to be rather ad-hoc, but are we absolutely sure this isn't a Flickr tech issue?
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Seem like some of us is moving to poo! (yupoo.com)
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@ Mockney:
I stand corrected.
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SO bad. I had to re-edit my web to explore my photo correctlly, or my business can't run as befor. This is a lot of jobs. Please resolve it immedietlly.
While I commiserate with you on lack of access to your photos on Flickr brought about by your government, I think you may find that you are using Flickr for what it is not intended for. Your Photo Stream in your free account seems to be completely full of the products of your business. Please see the Community Guidelines:
www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne
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Don’t use Flickr for commercial purposes.
Flickr is for personal use only. If we find you selling products, services, or yourself through your photostream, we will terminate your account. Any other commercial use of Flickr, Flickr technologies (including APIs, FlickrMail, etc), or Flickr accounts must be approved by Flickr.
I do hope what you are doing has been approved by Flickr
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I guess they will block all access to the outside websphere AFTER the 2nd Nazi-Style Olympic Game. Yes they will. It's only a question of time.
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FYI, Images are still blocked here in Loudi (娄底) Hunan (湖南) .
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If you are waiting for Yahoo to come to the rescue, think again...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6747095.stm
Yahoo shareholders have rejected plans for the company to adopt a policy that opposes censorship on the internet.
Proposals to set up a human rights committee which would review its policies around the world, specifically China, were also heavily defeated.
Yahoo has been criticized by human rights groups since 2005 for its role in turning over some political dissidents' e-mails.
The materials were used to prosecute and imprison them.
But Yahoo insists it must comply with local laws in areas where it operates.
Yahoo shareholders should remember that 'what goes around, comes around'. Rather than think about their own short term gain they should instead contemplate these words...
"I am truly free only when all human beings, men and women, are equally free. The freedom of other men, far from negating or limiting my freedom, is, on the contrary, its necessary premise and confirmation." - Mikhail A. Bakunin
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All the pics are blocked again....This is really interesting. I thought that Yahoo was pretty much immune to interference from CCP but apparently not...
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i'm wondering if this entirely about controlling speech.
seems like there are some chinese companies who are REALLY going to benefit from the chinese government's actions.
coincidence?
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this is really annoying...i got over 2000 friends to view my pictures on a daily basis, what a wonderful day.
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@striatic
Maybe Yahoo China?
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According to this article Flickr has now been blocked by the Chinese firewall:
www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSPEK21813920070619...
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Hey people...........any advise on how I can get to see my photos.
I only put my 3000 photos on a few days ago in Mongolia, I return to China to find I cant see them any more.
HEEEEELP.
(Below is my letter to Flickr)
Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Flickr,
I moved my photos from Yahoo to Flickr photos a few days ago and paid for membership so I can have unlimited space.
I arrive in China to find I am now unable to see ANY of my photos.
As you can imagine I am extremely unhappy about this.
As I am a paying member one would expect to be able to see the photos that they download to the site. I mean whats the point in having a photo site if you cant see them???????
Please can you send me information on how I can access my photos. I think dejacey.com is also being blocked.
Regards
Andy Smart
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Andy,
If you're using Firefox, there's a great plug-in fix here: www.flickr.com/help/forum/42351
If you're not using Firefox... might be worth giving it a try!
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Fun explainatino of GFW:
GFW= Great FireWall =Government Fuck the World!
i reckon!
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Hoooooray!!!!!!!! :)
Cheers mate!
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It worked? Excellent!!
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It seems Americans are bunch of hypocrites. Where's the freedom of speech??? How come my comments were deleted??? You guys allow people to type comments against China but not one comment against the US??? WOW! IS THIS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH ??? I'M SO IMPRESSED!!!
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Hello
We do not want to discourage debate in the Flickr Forum, but for the time being we have blocked your ability to post there.
Thanks
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So, take the hint....
There are comments against the U.S in the Forum ALL THE TIME! Go check out the German SafeSearch thread, and you'll see dozens of examples.
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Anyway, if you bunch of hypocrites call Chinese govt murderers, nowadays American govt are mass murderers!!! American invade Iraq for oil and kill lots of civilians!!
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How come my comments were deleted??
Is it because I'm of yellow race??? German people are Caucasians so Flickr staffs don't delete their comments.
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Americans always think they are the greatest. But in fact they're the lowest life on the Earth. All they can do to threaten Chinese is pushing Chinese elderly on the ground in Chinatown and fracture their bones.
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I bet you guys don't believe what I said. I had lived in Chinatown for f king 5 years and lots of Chinese elderly were pushed to the ground or even off the pedestrian by some racist cowards. White media don't bother to write stories about it becuz the victims aren't Caucasians. The police don't care about it either.
It's so ridiculous that the US can talk trash about other countries on the human rights when people of color don't have equal rights right inside the US of A.
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Your numerous abusive posts in the last hour alone are the clearest evidence needed of why your comments get deleted...
And hearing you talk about human rights is hysterical - taken a look at your own country's record lately?
If you want to be taken seriously, post some images. Otherwise, you'll just be regarded as a troll attempting to use this site's Forum for his own cause.
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American talks shit about Chinese is JUSTICE. On the other hand, when Chinese talks about Americans, they are TROLLS.
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I'm not American...
You ARE a troll...
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There's another story that you won't see in mainstream media A Chinese woman lived in the US for 10 years illegally. At the 9th year, she got pregnant. At the 10th year, before she was ready to pop out her baby, the US govt caught the woman and wanted to send her back to China. During the process of sending the woman from her home to airport, the staffs used violent and caused the woman lost the baby, because they didn't want the child born in the US and become a citizen automatically.
It sounds like a story that would happen in the China everyday. But it's absolutely horrible to hear it from a country that regards human rights highly.
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Pot
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41640.htm
and kettle
english.peopledaily.com.cn/200603/09/eng20060309_249259.html
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You are Australian. A more pathetic country that shouldn't talk about human rights. How did you govt treat the native people in the past????
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Far better than yours does now...
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I'm going to lock this puppy down for a few hours to let things cool off.
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