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we tend to trust images more than words
Which is odd, given that images are very easy to manipulate. Even without Photoshop, the photographer can slant an image simply by being careful with the framing. Add in the possibility of posed 'candid' scenes, and photography can be very deceiving indeed.
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@sevensixfive: Firefox is just a web browser, like IE, but free, and better IMO!
Nobody will block it, sure!
But they can block my extension. After that, you should upload it in your weblogs and file-sharings so others can use it!
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As Global Voices John Kennedy reported earlier, the reason of banning Flickr may be the photo-report of the Xiamen protest that made its way to flikr.
Global Voices
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Fikra:
youtube has viddies of the antipx protests too, I wonder if they were blocked?
youtube.com/watch?v=xSjNK1Q4iiA
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Could someone write about this news under the Wikipedia flickr article?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flickr
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dbthayer Pro User says:
Fikra:
youtube has viddies of the antipx protests too, I wonder if they were blocked?
youtube.com/watch?v=xSjNK1Q4iiA
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Youtube isnt blocked in China, but certain parts of it like second pages and some of the search functions are censored.
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"sure, in theory. maybe when flickr finishes Chinese localization (flickr, 加油!), it'll start to happen.
so the good news is that with this blocking, the gov't. has given publicity to a site that wasn't even that popular in China, and generated worldwide attention on the GFW. for what--a porous, temporary block? keep up the good work, guys! ;-)"
I'm looking at the June 2007 issue of the Chinese magazine, "Photographers' Companion" right now. It has an article about the top photo sharing websites in China. It lists Flickr as number 3.
#1 - Photo.163.com
#2 - Photo.21cn.com
#3 - Flickr.com
#4 - bababian.com
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top photo sharing websites in China.
interesting. "top" meaning what? any figures?
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It doesn't give any numbers.
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Do you know that THIS WORKS for accessing Flickr photos here in China. I used it last night and still this morning I'm having normal use of Flickr.
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
Its a plug-in for Firefox that circumvents the blocking.
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I live in Xiamen and I avoided the protest because I am not only a foreigner but a tall blond woman foreigner and I'm easily noticed here. The day after the protest march against the chemical plant, a Chinese friend, who used to live here in Xiamen and now is going to school in England,sent me a lot of coverage of the protest which he clipped from news sources there. He uses Flickr and also sent me a link to the Flickr photo page of a friend of his in Xiamen who had just posted a few early photos of the demonstration.
I eagerly clicked on that link - immediately I lost my connection to Flickr. And I have not been able to see photos since then - the day after the protest. Much longer than other people have been experiencing China's block. I had no idea that other people in China were unable to reach Flickr until, tired of waiting for the problem I've been having to go away, I fiinally checked this forum to complain.
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The San Francisco Chronicle has picked this story up, and Slashdot too.
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/09/BUG9...
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@ FHKE ... LOL >> WIKI has been blocked for ages ....
THis has either to be a 'content' issue .. or a 'corporate' issue .. If it is content then FLckr will never come back on line because there is no way for a government to effectively police what is published.
If it is a corporate issue the it has to be with something yahoo has done ( coverned the roits in news groups ) or something they haven't done ... ( give the government the emails of the pseuds used in flickr - as you all know flickr is a blog ((technically)) and all blogs are required to be registered in china) -
I dont see a wa back .. or am i a pessemist
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T in China...:
Sure I know, that's why I am asking someone to write on it because I am not to able to do the editing right now.
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I am in China, I cannot see my photos. I hope the image can available soon.
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Cornsey, you're right. Youtube is blocked too. At least that particular one.
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i am so depressed in beijing ... calling all techies and computer pros - i use safari and a mac... help !!!!!!!!
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
I want my, I want my, I want my FLICKR !
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Room with a view !!!!!
It works _ you are officially my hero!!!
People : Listen to this man / Woman... Thanks for sharing this valuable information !!!!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Thank Hamed Saber, above. He's the one who made the script. And yes, it works great!
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Things now running out of my imaginations. Suppose everyone knows that flickr has hit the Chinese Firewall and we are not able to see any photos there, I visit flickr and blogger by using OperaTor. It's slowly but okay, then since this morning, tor doesnt work. Whatever I change the Privoxy Setting, it dumbs. So, alright, alright, I move, I download FireFox+access flickr 1.5. Lovely little add-on isn't it. But problem comes again, during I was reading some post posted in the Chinese Group, it suddenly shut down saying "connection was reset". Then in less 3 mins I cant open any flickr page. After that I'm not seeing any group pages, I only care about mine okay? But too bad that when I check out my flickr mail, same situation happens.
"connection was reset", so hey, what's the hell is that?? So what can I do now? Keep blindin' or shut up??
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@skyline5k: Thank u too. It's not important that who wrote it, the important thing is helping others accessing their right: not to be censored by a big brother!
@cjPanda: I think it's your ISP problem. If the problem exists yet, contact me via email or the discussion I've mentioned in "Access Flickr" page
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hamed saber : THANK YOU !!!!
SO HAPPY IN BEIJING !
LA DEEE DAAAA!
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Thank you Hamed Saber!! I will bother you if the problem cant be fixed up^^
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passing out...i paid only in order to share my pix with my family in china, and now it's blocked? really wanna kill some1's ass!
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Yahoo, pull some strings here!!! You have some good ties with the Beijing government, right?
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to everyone accessing the internet in China:
you can use a proxy to bypass the "great firewall".
just download TOR and use it on firefox. it works like magic. let's hope that the TOR site isn't blocked. (don't tell the communist party).
tor.eff.org/
when i was living in shanghai from march to june, i couldn't live without TOR.
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Yahoo, pull some strings here!!! You have some good ties with the Beijing government, right?
LOL...they sure have, Beijing Government pull those strings of Yahoo cn and they jump.
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Yes, another me too post. It's not available in Sheyang County, Jiangsu Province (an hour from Yancheng)...
This can be addressed (to an extent) by the "Access Flickr!" plugin for Firefox. :-)
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mmonk: "don't tell the communist party".
Too late. Judging by some of the posts in this thread, the communist party is already here, watching everything (and quietly suggesting that the "problem" images be removed and everything will go back to normal.) So if the work-arounds are blockable, odds are they will be shortly.
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We should find those picts, print them, and pass them around.
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Flickr is still not working in China.
Any updates?
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to everyone accessing the internet in China:
you can use a proxy to bypass the "great firewall".
just download TOR and use it on firefox. it works like magic. let's hope that the TOR site isn't blocked. (don't tell the communist party).
Proxies may be useful, but the point is that many sites deep link to flickr galleries and those sites become virtually inaccessible if you are relying on geeky work arounds to solve the problem.
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Just for the record, it's not just viewing. we have someone who hasn't been able to upload. Looking around at China tagged photos, looks like there aren't new photos going up, so I don't think he's alone.
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Now I can see the pics sometimes,but it's still little red crosses in my blog,oh shit~~~
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I can see photos on my flickr now, thanks to 1980Nic and other guys who helped us to see our photos again! thank you so much! :))))
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Dear Hamad,
Is there a way for Iranians to access myspace.com? I lost many Iranian friends when it was blocked. And when I try to talk to my friend in Iran on yahoo messenger, it is very slow and impossible to carry on a conversation. Does the Iranian government not want it's people to be friends with the rest of the world? They can't stop us, once we became friends, we will always be friends and will find a way.
I applaud you for your help in helping the people of China gain access to Flickr again.
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@ellen, we are able to upload. I would say uploading is normal again now that everybody has found a way to get around the ban.
strange thing today though: I logged in and had to login again everytime I browsed to another page. could have been a "normal" technical hick-up.
it took only half an hour or so.
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What do you expect?
We're all nuts for trying to do business over there.
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@mspeh1954: Sure your Iranian friends know how to bypass the myspace.com censorship!
BTW, you can run some private proxies like psiphone just for your known friends, so they can access anywhere including myspace.com through your own computer as a tunnel.
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I am presently on a business trip in China. I post photos of my travels for frinds, relitives and colleagues. I have been unable to see my pictures on Flickr while in Shanghai, Hefei and now Fuzhou. Strangely enough, I CAN add new images to Flickr!
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do we hear anything from Flickr staff on the issue?
all I've seen is a pretty much "gratuite" statement 3 days ago when it happened.
awkward position of Flickr: they have a "not so good" reputation on freedom of expression (deleting groups, users and pictures) and the mother company is chasing dissidents together with the Chinese government.
maybe that's why they are silent ...
and as far as the GFW is concerned: are we still buying Cisco (Linksys)?
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As Flickr stated, the Notice is updated when there is something to update.
As far as Flickr reputation is concerned, they have quite a good reputation when it comes to freedom of expression and only delete accounts that have been set up just to spam or else take action when there has been flagrant abuse of the ToU and a member refuses to correct their behaviour.
If Yahoo.cn had any control or influence over Flickr you can bet this thread and any similar ones would have been deleted by now.
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I've seen innocent (as far as pics is concerned) groups deleted just because they opposed to Flickr's censorship policies.
And we all know how Yahoo helps Chinese government to trace dissidents who, based on Yahoo delivered evidence, get convicted for many years because of their writing.
Back to the GFW: if Flickr does not make any effort to make that their (paying) customers have access to the service again; than there is nothing to update ... Right?
I don't know how many customers Flickr has in China. What I do know is that in case a service is unavailable, whatever the cause, most companies will communicate with their customers directly by e-mail or at least give frequent updates with regards to their efforts to make the service available again.
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As a paid up 'Pro' account holder in China I would hope that Flickr's parent will do something to either compensate its PRC users or is using whatever influence it has in the system (via Alibaba) to resolve the problem swiftly. If Yahoo can afford to pay $1 billion to have Alibaba take over its operations -- and can afford to pay spin doctors and lawyers over the Shi Tao case -- surely it can cough up a bit of change for end users.
Or would that go against the "Public Pledge on Self-discipline for the Chinese Internet Industry," that Yahoo signed?
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Yeah, I have the same problem, and now I have to install Firefox to see photos.
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I've just started a new thread for discussions related to the "Access Flickr!" extension. If anyone has any question, including technical etc, feel free to ask.
www.flickr.com/help/forum/42351/
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for a while, I thought it was because of the Tienanmen Massacre Vigil Photos we got across the border... or it could have been anything.
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我也是中国的用户。
我的所有Flickr里面的图片都看不到
不知道是怎么回事。
能给一个答复么？
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你好shao文:
你看一看这儿吧。
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@myrickblog: I don't think there is too much Flickr can actually do. In the end this is a government-induced blockage, not a technical problem caused by a few bad servers.
In China you cannot just start complaining as you could in Germany or the US. There are totally other structures and regulations. Even with a lawyer claiming it could take longer than a year before any change occurs. And only then if the right person feels convinced. For a company not as established as Yahoo! in China it is clearly complicated to start a persuasion process through all government institutes. And even during the claiming process, I doubt that Flickr would be allowed accessable.
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Perhaps it would be faster of people could work on getting rid of that pesky communist government that feels it needs to control the flow of all information to and from its people.
Oh, and if you could post regular updates on how that's going in here, that would be great.
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谁知道什么时候解封么？
Who knows when will Flickr recover?
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The Searcher: Get rid of that "pesky communist government'? It's communist in name only. The current government betrayed Mao's revolution over a decade ago. It is now authoritarian capitalism. And, those pesky capitalists SHOULD be gotten rid of!
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At least the authoritarian ones.
Does anyone have an update on how that's going (the overthrow). It's quite frustrating to not have news at least once an hour. Especially when there's no change.
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THIS WORKS - SOLVES THE PROBLEM
I just want to add this again - I posted it here 2 days ago - someone else posted it the day before that.
THIS WORKS for accessing Flickr photos here in China. I used it last night and still this morning I'm having normal use of Flickr.
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
Its a plug-in for Firefox that circumvents the blocking.
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With the track record of Yahoo I would not be surprised if this filtering was silenting implemented without the knowledge of staff at Flickr.
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um. it was.
except by The People's Republic of China, not yahoo.
If it were yahoo on the sly, you'd know, because it wouldn't work very well, and they'd charge $4.95 a month for the higher quality version. and there'd be adverts where the photos used to be.
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still not working. This is really sad!!!
help us!
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This is China???????????????
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Try FHKE,pro,FLICKR and check the pic dates???
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也许2008奥运会期间会解封吧，然后再次封杀？
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Could other people confirm that the Flickr blog is no longer accessible in China? Can't even get to it through the proxy I usually use :-(. I'm assuming this is as a result of its move to Wordpress, which I believe has been blocked in China for some time, but please correct me if I'm wrong!
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HI Guys!!!!
I found some methods to crack the GWF for showing Flickr's fotos .
You could check the bellow link.
talk.blogbus.com/logs/5719180.html
www.williamlong.info/archives/922.html
Bless
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and try this Fire fox extension:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4286
Bless All guy in China
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@nic: you are right. I cannot access it either. also not via most proxies. found 1 proxy that works. don't know if it is wise to publish it here. I'll email it to you
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The flickr blog can't be seen even with my extension?
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Hamed, no, I have to use another proxy to see it. Your extension works just fine for Flickr, but the blog is hosted by Wordpress (it can't be hosted by Flickr or it wouldn't still be accessible when Flickr goes for its massage). Seeing the blog isn't really that important, I'm just a little bemused that Flickr chose to host it on a domain that's blocked in China and has been for a while.
Oh, and thanks Flickr staff for finally updating the official thread... even though nothing's changed, it's nice to know you haven't forgotten users in China and are still working on the problem!
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༺lifemage༻:
"Yahoo China--which was absorbed by e-commerce company Alibaba.com in 2005--had a 9 percent share of China's online photo-sharing market last year, according to IT consultancy iResearch."
"Regarding which countries have contributed most to the 525 million images already available on Flickr, Butterfield said the UK and Canada trail the US, with Germany, Brazil, Spain, France, and then Australia next up "in terms of users"."
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I paid $25 for my yearly Flickr Pro account. As far as I am concerned, the Chinese government has stolen my money . And this isn't the first time. It happened six months back when Xanga was censored, and still is. I had a paid account with that site as well. If the Chinese government insists on censoring these sites, they should do so selectively. 99% of all content is harmless. It's completely childish, destructive, unfair, and disrespectful to punish and entire community of users for the actions or content of a few. Furthermore, the slim percentage of the population that can actually read and understand English is probably already informed of the very things they are trying to censor anyways. It makes no damn sense.
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Furthermore, the slim percentage of the population that can actually read and understand English is probably already informed of the very things they are trying to censor anyways. It makes no damn sense.
they're hitting mostly expats, 華僑, people who've studied overseas...and they're morons.
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The flickr blog problem:
flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/42486/225555/
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I'm in Suzhou, China, and I'm starting to see images on Flickr again, without any extensions or proxies.
Update: to clarify, I can see some images, but not others, and it's not as simple as the ones I can't see being on a different image server. Some images only load part-way.
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Thanks for the good word, dvd3141. Anyone else?
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I can see my own images, and some of other people's but not all. I am in China but my photos are not taken of anything in China.
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Before I could see everyone's face/icon but now they are starting to disappear again :( Can still see some face icons but no pictures :(
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FYI, Images are still blocked here in Loudi (娄底) Hunan (湖南) .
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Still blocked in Shanghai.
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Still blocked in Beijing.
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@dvd3141:
Can you maybe post the complete URL of those photos you can see at Flickr? Maybe there are several different servers of which only some are blocked and others are not.
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as far as I know Flickr is still blocked everywhere in China and we're getting used to using the workarounds.
mission completed for the authorities. I think they don't care about the few people who managed to install a workaround. they are more concerned about blogging of Flickr pics that would reach a larger audience.
like in art: bashing Mao is OK in art, but nowhere else.
allow those people, who need to let their steam off, a place to do it and if it gets too big: ban it.
i.e. neutralize the desire for freedom by allowing it in a controlled environment.
that's where we are right now ... :-(
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Oh, Suddenly some of you guys' thumbnails show up!
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Right now at 10:30pm in Shanghai I can see this
farm1.static.flickr.com/69/buddyicons/34897448@N00.jpg?11...
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farm1.static.flickr.com/5/buddyicons/56963596@N00.jpg?117...
farm1.static.flickr.com/11/buddyicons/61361160@N00.jpg?11...
farm1.static.flickr.com/172/buddyicons/74169669@N00.jpg?1...
farm1.static.flickr.com/89/buddyicons/34857187@N00.jpg?11...
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Looks like the good news was short-lived, I can't see any images now. Sorry for the false hope guys. :(
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Looks like the bad news about the short-lived good news, was short-lived. I can see some images again. There appears to be a pattern:
1. I can't see any images on located on farm2.
2. I can see some images on farm1, but only if the file-size (i.e. the resolution) is small enough. For example, here are different sizes of the same image of mine:
farm1.static.flickr.com/226/505832821_11dd85e53c_s.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/226/505832821_11dd85e53c_t.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/226/505832821_11dd85e53c_m.jpg
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The first two ["square" and "thumbnail" size] are visible to me. The next one ["small" size] loads only part-way before timing-out. The "medium" size does not load at all, nor do any of the sizes larger than that.
Can anyone else in China confirm a similar pattern?
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Sorry, I can't see any of them. The only images on this page that load are six of the buddy icons.
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@Yuek: how about if you try viewing just the individual photo? For example, visit this page:
farm1.static.flickr.com/226/505832821_11dd85e53c_s.jpg
Does that image load? It definitely does for me (I cleared my cache beforehand just to be sure).
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from Beijing:
No buddy icons visible, I can't see any of the pictures on this page and the direct link gives an instant 404.
I can, however, see the pictures on the flickr homepage.
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抵制2008年奥运会。
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Flickr works fine in Hong Kong
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Every picture is gone ! Definitely flickr's problem , other web site is OK . I think Flickr cheat my money !
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@xyb553166
Before it's clear where the root cause of this problem is, I wouldn't accuse anybody like that. The fact is that Flickr appears to be perfectly accessible from everywhere outside mainland China (I do not regard Hong Kong as mainland china)
It might indeed be a technical problem, but then again, can you access wikipedia.org or news.bbc.co.uk?
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xyb553166 - as has been said before, Flickr is being blocked by the Chinese government. It's not a problem caused by Flickr, let's be clear about that :-).
And this is the first time I've been able to access this thread all day (the rest of the site is fine through a proxy) - whether through a proxy, plugins or not... as other users have reported, the block seems to be inconsistent. Which I'm thinking must be cause for hope!
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Apologies if this has already been posted:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6747095.stm
"Yahoo shareholders have rejected plans for the company to adopt a policy that opposes censorship on the internet."
Read into it what you will...
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I hope some hackers will fully destroy the chinese "firewall" someday. Poor people!
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@ dvd3141: I couldn't see any of the individual photos, either. The computer would make an attempt and then display a message: "Safari can’t open the page “http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/505832821_11dd85e53c_s.jpg” because the network connection was reset, which sometimes occurs when the server is busy. You might be able to open the page later."
Of course, the server wasn't busy when I used Firefox with the Access Flickr! add on.
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Gosh... same here in Shanghai!!!
It shouldn't be govt restriction coz i still can see the pics from my local friends.
Please can the Flickr team resolve this ASAP?
It's my main way of connecting with friends and family back home...
Many thanks!
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