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[Official Topic] Yahoo! Photos closing (Was "Prepare for a flickr flood")
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From TechCrunch:
I am at a dinner event with Brad Garlinghouse (Yahoo SVP Communications & Communities) and Stewart Butterfield (Cofounder Flickr) are sitting at my table and told me that they will announce the closure of Yahoo Photos tomorrow. The actual closure will occur over the next few months, they say. The service will be shutdown in favor of the newer and more modern Flickr, which they acquired in March of 2005.
According to Tech Crunch, Yahoo photo has 2 billion stored photos versus flickr's 500 million.
www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/03/breaking-yahoo-to-announce-...
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Please check out this Yahoo! Photos FAQ regarding the closure for any Yahoo! Photos related questions:
help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/photos/photos3/closing/
-- Heather
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(I changed the label of this thread to be the "official" one - George)
Posted at 9:54PM, 3 May 2007 PDT
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George (staff) edited this topic 62 months ago.
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Hoo boy...
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Did anyone notice the final sentence of that techcrunch story: Update: In other news, Butterfield has confirmed that Flickr will have support for video ’soon’.
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ruh roh.
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I wouldn't believe anything I read in Techcrunch ...
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My first thought was... I'd rather hear it from Stewart himself. :)
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Phew!
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Thanks Stewart!
That is a HUGE, HUGE relief!
Nice to hear that Flickr isn't dumbing or rather myspacing down completely.
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swisskiltbear edited this topic 62 months ago.
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I'm sorry - I shouldn't tease. Yahoo! Photos *will* be shutting down this year. We are *not* merging Flickr and Yahoo! Photos together and this has no impact on Flickr's feature roadmap, overall direction, brand, independence of the team, etc.
Yahoo! Photos users will be able to move to Flickr, but they'll also be able to move to four other competing services (Shutterfly, Snapfish, Kodak and Photobucket). They'll also be able to download their original images, order CD backups or get prints at discounted prices.
The goal is to have people end up with a solution that makes them as happy as possible -- if that's Snapfish because it is simpler and serves their printing an family sharing needs better, then super. If they would get value out of using Flickr, that's also super.
We have no interest in growing the Flickr userbase just to make the number higher. If people would be unhappy using Flickr, then we want to help them find another solution. And so we're going to great lengths to describe the differences, what Flickr offers, and what it doesn't offer.
Of course, there are already millions of people using Flickr who previously used one of the four other services mentioned above (or , of course, Yahoo! Photos) and they like it here and we're glad they came. In an ideal world, everyone will end up just where they were meant to be.
We expect millions of new users because of this transition, but we expect millions more in "organic" growth this year. Millions joined last year. Flickr is better now than it was a year ago. Everything will be ok. Good night!
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No comment on video? That's the real news here if you ask me.
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I agree with timtastic - video is what actually concerns me when it comes to that article.
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Page loading and browsing on Flickr is already dreadfully slow even with a fast broadband connection.
Turning Flickr into another You Tube will bring the servers to a grinding halt.
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Well... they (Yahoo, et. al.) need to do something to address video.
Flickr is the logical Yahoo venue in which to pursue it.
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No thanks to 'star wars kid' posting to Flickr- leave it to youtube. The community has enough new features for now.
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Loki* edited this topic 62 months ago.
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Well... they (Yahoo, et. al.) need to do something to address video.
A courteous "no" would address it just fine.
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video.yahoo.com/ already exists.
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The cultures of video production and consumption are so completely different from that of still photography that I would think there would be very little common ground - in fact, in many areas, the entire purpose for production of almost a complete opposite.
So I can't imagine that anyone on the Flickr staff thought this was even a slightly good idea. If it's true, it's much more likely a product of someone at Yahoo.
Personally, I think it's ridiculous, and would change the Flickr culture enough to make many hundreds (thousands?) of long-time, core users - the people who came here from GNE, mostly, I bet, who were on Flickr as alpha and very early beta users - seriously reconsider their membership.
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hmmm. well i haven't really used yahoo photos since 2005. i started using flickr then and just loved it so i kept on using it! but i do have old photos in yahoo photos that i would like to transfer over.
i did think it was weird that there was a message in yahoo photos for what...like a year or something?? saying they were putting the finishing touches on the new yahoo photos. and it just never happened. i actually check back every so often just to see.
alrighty then...
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Well... they (Yahoo, et. al.) need to do something to address video.
yeah, they could pull in my 15-year-old and his "let's record ourselves jumping off the roof like jackass" buddies for video.
might lose me and a few others, though. I'm here for still photography, period. ;-)
let's hope Stewart's promise extends to the addition of video:
We have no interest in growing the Flickr userbase just to make the number higher. If people would be unhappy using Flickr, then we want to help them find another solution.
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Yahoo recently bought BIX which does do video. Stewart may not be the right person to talk to about video.
I think it would be nice to join together, but not integrate these two sites (Flickr and BIX). BIX also offers photography contests and it would be nice to post Flickr photos to BIX. BIX photo handling is no where near as good as Flilckr, so that would be a boost for them.
bix.yahoo.com/
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Happy Tinfoil Cat edited this topic 62 months ago.
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@someToast - "video.yahoo.com already exists"
Like I said...
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Another post on TechCruch points to a story this morning in the NY Times detailing some dealings with Microsoft acquiring Yahoo!...
Stewart - when you sold out to Yahoo! did you ever think you might end up a MS employee?
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Well if techcrunch is not trustworthy ... try this one :)
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070504/tc_nm/yahoo_photos_dc;_ylt=A...
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For those with Yahoo! IDs that also access the Yahoo! Mail, My Yahoo! and Yahoo! 360 services, including myself, how will they know when the Yahoo! Photos option disappears from those services? Will there be any e-mails to those with Yahoo! IDs?
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i did think it was weird that there was a message in yahoo photos for what...like a year or something?? saying they were putting the finishing touches on the new yahoo photos.
Depends on the definition of "finish," I guess. :-> Yahoo photos appears to be finished. And we're all touched.
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I also have photos on Yahoo going back a few years, but i've received no notice that their time is up or directions on how to move them over to flickr (if i wish too). But then i also didn't notice that there was a message folder in my yahoo photos page. Perhaps i should check again.
As for the other things - i hope they don't happen. either of them.
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Here's an FAQ for those who have Yahoo! Photos accounts and have questions:
help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/photos/photos3/closing/
There will be a notification from Yahoo! photos, though I don't have an eta for when this will happen.
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Will The Forum become part of Yahoo Answers?
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Will The Forum become part of Yahoo Answers?
No. It's staying put.
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Oh, call me a pesimist but adding video to flickr will water the whole thing down to total mediocrity.
I can hear the masses chiming in, "But more is better! We want more options! Video would be sooooo kewl!" Ugh.
I truly hope that flickr keeps its focus (no pun intended.)
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You know, back when some of us were complaining about having to get a yahoo ID to use flickr, and then it came out that yahoo was using photos posted to flickr for some of it's commercial pages (prompting me to watermark my images now), and people were looking around saying "gee - things are really changing here" while Stafferinos were saying, "No, No, nothing is changing, we're still in charge and everything is fine" - back then I thought that was all crap. yahoo wouldn't pay all that money for flickr just to leave it the way it was. yahoo paid all that money to have flickr to use for the benefit of yahoo.
I said, back then, that the Stafferinos may well believe the assurances they were offering but I didn't believe, and still don't, they have the power to make them stick when yahoo really wants something to change. First the IDs changed. Now yahoo photos will go away and become something like 80% of the total photo base of flickr (assuming there are roughly 4 times as many images in yahoo photo as flickr). So much for meaningful photography to any degree. I like youTube but am not interested in seeing it here.
I think much of yahoo's problems stem from not keeping focus on what they are doing. That lack of focus will continue to infiltrate, or be imposed on, flickr and, I think, increase with the glut of crap images soon to come from yahoo photos.
So, what are we doing here?
I'm reminded of a story about denial: a codependent dies and descends to hell. Refusing to admit being in hell she proceeds to set up house, whistling, making things nice and setting out fresh flowers. The Devil approaches and notices she is not sweating. "Why aren't you sweating?" he asks. "Why should I?" she responds with a crisp smile even as her fresh flowers burst into flames. "Do you not see? Do you not feel the interminable heat of damnation?" the Devil asks. "Well I don't know what you're talking about - it's not hot. And in fact, I'm not even here."
For myself I'm feeling the heat.
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This just sucks.
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"So, what are we doing here? "
kirk: I don't know what you're doing here. If I ever used a service that I didn't want? I'd leave. If Flickr ever does things I don't want? I'll leave. I'm not talking about improving or evolving, two things that can come from user input and/or protest. I'm talking about wholesale alteration of the Flickr-ness of Flickr.
So far. Can't say I've seen that. I've seen the many [MANY] portents of doom that it's coming, but for me, I tend to reserve my alarm for when it actually occurs.
For now, I'd suggest you go and read or re-read this thread. Stewart had quite a lot to say up there to explain that we'll likely not see the influx of users you're semi-snobbishly worried about, but even if we did (we won't) I can't see how it would affect your Flickr experience at all. Unless you don't know how to use tags, searches, contacts, favorites, and groups. Because there's already about 3/4 of a billion images on here I don't really want to see. and thus never do.
Because that's how Flickr works. The sky's been falling for a while, and so far, nothing's hit me on the head yet.
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My experience with Yahoo Photos was quite bad. I was allowed 3 folders, 12 photos each. The photos had to be very small and Yahoo Photos de-res'ed them anyway. Maybe a megabyte of storage. To share them with family, I had to jump through several hoops. Yahoo Photos then deleted my account altogether, I don't know why. You can just tell that it was run by marketing type pukes. Yahoo Photos deserves to die. Long live Flickr!
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One more thing people... The "There goes the neighborhood" attitude is unbecoming. I am sure there is a lot of talented Yahoo Photos members. Anyone who generalizes otherwise, is full of it and themselves.
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I think this reinforces the notion that Flickr is what individual users make of it, on their own, and together with other like-minded users. That's why there are a million groups, some dedicated to serious photography (however one chooses to define that), others to rather oddball (to me) subjects, and so forth.
Make contacts of those whose work you enjoy. Join groups that have themes or purposes that resonate with you and your photography. Find the places within Flickr that appeal to you, and pursue and enjoy. I think this aspect of the Flickr experience gets lost in these doom and destruction discussions, and I have been as guilty as anyone in the past.
I made the change to the Yahoo ID, and my Flickr experience did not change after the initial sign in. I survived the advent of the filtering system, and my experience remains uncensored, as I wish it to be. The new group features still have some gnarly bugs in them, but overall they improve the way groups are managed, and the bugs will be eventually eradicated.
And if Yahoo, in all of its corporate wisdom, persuades or demands that Stewart and Co. Yahoo-ize all of Flickr, and the experience sucks, then I'll go elsewhere and hope I can find a new home.
Now should Microsoft buy Yahoo...well, I'll be breaking out the concrete umbrella so the falling sky doesn't snap my neck. :)
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I read a similar article that mentioned that users migrating would get 3 free months of pro-level use on Flickr. Any chance of the rest of us pro users getting an extra three months tacked onto our subscription? Some (or at least I) just merged my Flickr and Yahoo accounts when we were asked to do so a few months back. <3Flickr
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jeffeljefe edited this topic 62 months ago.
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@Happy Tinfoil cat - the "there goes the neighbourhood" chant is not directed at all the Yahoo Photos users who'll be migrating to Flickr, it's aimed squarely at the thought of Flickr Video.
Comments such as this might have given you an inkling:
"No comment on video? That's the real news here if you ask me"
"I like youTube but am not interested in seeing it here"
"Turning Flickr into another You Tube will bring the servers to a grinding halt"
"Oh, call me a pesimist but adding video to flickr will water the whole thing down to total mediocrity"
"I like youTube but am not interested in seeing it here"
Get it? Not a diatribe against fellow photographers who want to boogie on in; it's a hearty "Piss Off" to the idea of video.
And if Flickr Video happens as anything other than a seperate site, yeah, there does go the neighbourhood...
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boy, why do so many people assume video = dumb?
photos can be pretty insipid and stupid too, you know.
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Well personally I don't mind the video really. Might be of use for my own family archive even ;) But I don't see why it should hinder other people. Maybe they will just make another filter setting .... show video ... yes or no ;) Ah well time will tell.
What probably is important now ... is for flickr to get their localized content ready before the big move starts. A flickr site in their own language might pursuede many people to come to flickr instead of going to other sites.
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anyway, flickr is going to get eaten alive eventually if they don't implement video. people have digital cameras that record video and cameraphones that record video, and they're going to use that functionality increasingly as time goes on and camera memory capacity increases.
technology changes, and the new entries into the consumer digicam market are camcorder/point and shoot hybrids. it'll take a while to get the mix right .. but probably less time than many of us think.
while some people seem to have it in their heads that the majority of people on flickr are here for fine art photography or something, that really isn't the case. there are a lot of people on flickr for a lot of different reasons, and many of them use flickr in a way that could benefit from the inclusion of video.
you know, there was a time around these here parts when people complained about the appearance of self important DSLR owners with bad attitudes. i guess now we're supposed to complain about the appearance of people making videos of their child's first steps or their trip to the grand canyon.
DSLR users didn't ruin things for the bloggers that kicked in flickr's tires, and i don't think video is going to spoil things for the DSLR owners either.
which is to say that if animated gifs can't ruin flickr, video surely won't.
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i not wonder about this
if you in a company 2 tools or services that make the same
so the best will win.
it make no sense to dance on 2 events ;)
next goal i read these days on computer news networks in germany
maybe the 2 cents from mister ballmer oops or let me say the 50 billion ;) M$ Flickr ;o)
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@striatic:
really, no need to dish so many assumptions, generalizations, and elaborate comparisons.
you apparently want video. I don't. pretty simple!
video may very well win out, as you suggest...
if that happens, I merely hope that flickr will be able to direct luddites such as myself to the place where we are meant to be. ;-)
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the "there goes the neighbourhood" chant is not directed at all the Yahoo Photos users who'll be migrating to Flickr, it's aimed squarely at the thought of Flickr Video.
I think this is where the venom was actually directed directly at yahoo photos:
Now yahoo photos will go away and become something like 80% of the total photo base of flickr. So much for meaningful photography to any degree.
That said, the idea of video is not inevitable, not a foregone conclusion. Honestly, it's done. Anyone who wants to go up against YouTube, has already lost. Maybe that's defeatist from a entrepreneurial point of view, but I think that's just the way of it. A dozen other major sites have video elements now, but can anyone name them? How's the Zune working up against the iPod?
What would they even call it?
FlickFlickFlickFlickr?
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Sad to hear that Yahoo Photos is headed for a close!! But nevertheless Flickr is there to take up the reigns and I am already on board Flickr. [Flipside: Yahoo photos offered free storage against Flickr's limited free storage!!]
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"water the whole thing down to total mediocrity"
because many of the photos already on here don't already do that right?
if you don't like the video option, don't watch them, or upload them. certainly the bandwidth may or may not be a problem, but millions of people uploading photos of their cats and bday picts (not that there is anything wrong with this) are already slowing down bw.
seems there will be one more thing for peole to complain about... great for some of you then, isn't it?
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Thanks for including a link to the FAQ on the closing of Yahoo! Photos when the first post by Civilized Explorer was edited by Heather of the staff. Of course, I don't have any photos in Yahoo! Photos and wasn't planning on having photos there anyway.
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video may very well win out, as you suggest...
see i think you have it backwards. if flickr introduces video, and videos "wins" then flickr will have done something very wrong.
the idea here is to mix video and photos in a way where they flow together.
Anyone who wants to go up against YouTube, has already lost.
again, why would flickr with video necessarily compete against youtube?
youtube is littered with people uploading stuff they don't own, webcam rants and slideshow type things set to music. youtube will own that market for the foreseeable future.
currently, there really isn't a good venue for the kind of video generated by the "video" switch on a point and shoot camera. that's because such video is usually taken mixed in with a bunch of photos and makes sense to have it displayed in with those photos.
it is extremely difficult and counterintuitive to do this across multiple sites, so it makes sense for flickr to consolidate the experience here.
so thinking about this in a PHOTOS VERSUS VIDEO ---- BATTLE OF THE CENTURY! ONLY ONE WILL SURVIVE! $49.95! ONLY ON PAY PER VIEW! kind of way is really off base. thinking of flickr video as a youtube competitor is also really off base.
just put yourself in the shoes of a vacationer choosing a service to share their photos through after coming back from a trip. there's flickr, which they've heard good things about, but then there's this new service X that'll display both the photos AND the videos that are sitting on their memory card.
flickr really doesn't want to lose traction as video adoption continues to increase.
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Hello,
Re: Moving my photos from Yahoo!Photos to Flickr.
I heard that Yahoo!Photos is shutting down and I would like to transfer my Yahoo Photos to Flickr.
Please advise where I find the link to do that.
I understand that transferring from Yahoo Photos also gives me a complimetary 3 month Flickr Pro usage free. Please confirm if that is correct. I would like to use the3 month free trial period when switching over my photos to Flickr from Yahoo!Photos.
Thank You.
ebizphotos
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Sounds good in theory... I can see some people treating Flickr as an alternative to YouTube and uploading the same copyright-infringing stuff - music clips, TV commercials, bits of TV shows and movies, etc. How do you stop them? Just telling them not to isn't working on YouTube...
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you guys better get some more extra space......
For God's sake.... please....
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How do you stop them?
the fact that youtube is and will be better at and more well known for hosting and finding that kind of stuff does 98% of the work for you.
making it so that you need a paid account to upload more than a couple clips covers the remaining 2%.
people will still upload commercials and stuff to flickr i'm sure, but it shouldn't be in enough quantity to really impact the service. sort of like how the quantity of mis-tagged photos will always be overwhelmed by properly tagged ones.
finally, just like people can choose not to see illustrations or screenshots, flickr can let people opt out of seeing video.
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Several Flickr users, myself included, take short video clips of wildlife to supplement their still shots. I've been uploading these videos to google and linking them to the relevant shots on Flickr. This works fine but it would probably be more convenient to be able to do it all on one site.
I think that a lot of the videos posted on Flickr would be of this kind -- embellishments of the still shots being posted.
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Working with Vimeo at present works quite well (but a little clunkily) for the (as Striatic says) contextually valid presentation of videos - a still of your video is in the stream, and you click link underneath it to play the video. You have to manually move the still to the right place in the stream, but you can do it.
At present, you get redirected to Vimeo, and it plays there.
Presumable in the future, the videos will get uploaded exactly as other photo's are, and there will just be a 'play' button on an embedded player in each individual page, much like Vox or something. Hopefully not sending you to another page, but playing right there in the photopage.
That would be a pretty nice UI, and as someone who uses video (for panoramic shots, for instance, rather than stitching them together afterwards) while taking my crappy snaps, it would work for me for this.
Going to vox and vimeo is tedious, and I get bored of it quickly.
Video IS coming. There have been more than enough Staff veiled hints for that to be considered fact, kids. My only concern is that the place needs to retain the same content direction - ie user generated. I really don't like Youtube unless someone points links out to me - I find it just too irritating to try and sift through all the noise and crap to actually find anything. When there is stuff on there that I like (some of the stop motion stuff is awesome, as is some of the more unusual stuff) then I'd love to see some of that kind of thing here.
But I don't want this to turn into Break.com. Or rehashed clips from TV shows, or porn, or any of the stuff that is so utterly shite from Youtube. It has its place, and it is there, not here.
So basically, I know that Video is coming, I'm just hoping that it gets implemented in the Flickr spirit (ie cleanly and nicely and cool) and that the content does, too...
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Striatic: I guess I'd ask, if it's so obvious, inevitable, and useful, then Why hasn't YouTube started hosting photos?
I'm not saying whoa halt technology, halt progress and evolution. I guess I'm saying, I don't see video as evolution for Flickr. It isn't chocolate and peanut butter. The experience of taking video and stills may be butting up against each other, but the experience of viewing video vs stills is very very different.
I don't think it would be the destruction of Flickr or anything. As long as they don't make it connected to the photo servers on the backend and screw with the quality of the entire site, which would be easy to avoid I'm sure.
I just don't think photos and videos will ever hold hands together.
now, if they could stream live Flash videogames along with photos, well then you'd have something.
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currently, there really isn't a good venue for the kind of video generated by the "video" switch on a point and shoot camera. that's because such video is usually taken mixed in with a bunch of photos and makes sense to have it displayed in with those photos.
Depends on one's definition of a good venue. Both smugmug and phanfare offer to let users mix stills and videos. Twango lets users upload stills, videos, and audio files. None of them has the buzz that flickr has, but each of these four services has benefits and detriments. It may be that no one service gives users all they want.
I think fallsroad has the right idea, though. Within some limit, it doesn't matter what "flickr" or "yahoo" become or think the service is about so long as users can set up groups and contacts and create their own island in the sea of upskirts and downblouses that some seem to fear flickr will become. If the place is overrun with crap, though, people will migrate away because they no longer want to be associated with the name. It doesn't seem to have happened with still images, but I don't have any guess on what the differences will be between what people upload as stills and as videos.
I'm missing some information on why video will wreck flickr but stills won't.
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OK, I'm one of those forced to make the change to Flickr and I say "forced" because of the past defacement argument/issue. I do NOT want to get that mess started here as it seems many people are of both opinions and the solutions aren't feasible for me.
So, where is the migration tool that Yahoo Photos says is here in Flickr? I obviously have a Flickr account ready to receive them but there's nothing I can find for transferring hundreds of images from the one website to another.
I also do not even want to try to re-upload the entire batch so the migration tool is the only thing I'm interested in finding and using. Please peeps, no other suggestions.
Anyone able to direct me to that tool because Flickr’s help replies are a bit slow if they come at all. (I’m still waiting from March…)
Lenny
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According to Yahoo Photos Help: If you want to keep your photos (and we think most of you might), then you’ll need to choose from a few options by this fall. Don’t worry – there’s nothing you need to do now, but later this summer you’ll be receiving an email asking you to make a decision about your photos. [emphasis mine] Looks like you have to wait. There's no tool here on Flickr for you yet.
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Why hasn't YouTube started hosting photos?
look at the videos hosted on youtube.
these videos are not being generated by devices meant to produce stills, the majority of the user generated content there comes in the form of webcam video and the so much of the rest is lifted from television.
in terms of interface and type user experience youtube provides, it would make more sense to move on to something like music hosting than to move toward photo hosting, if they were going to move to host anything other than video - which i doubt they will.
the hypothetical vacationer i mentioned earlier is still going to primarily uploading photos, not video .. so it makes sense for them to use a host that primarily supports photos like flickr does, not primarily video like youtube does.
Civilized Explorer, it is true that those services allow video uploads, but none of them do a very good job of it.
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So you're saying that if Flickr allows video, it will somehow magically transcend the crap and stolen goods of YouTube?
The problem I see is: anyone can take a professional quality photo. You shoot enough, no skills you can still pop out a really good image every so often (that's basically how I work, I patiently wait out my own crap).
But video? That just isn't as easy to create anything of any quality. If you're saying that the capability will be mostly for those with hybid still/video cameras, then it's even worse, since the do-all devices generally do nothing well.
I dunno. I guess I just don't know what you think we'd get. How would it not be YouTube type of stuff? What else is there?
It would be a massive distraction, in my opinion. Even if all the video were from an army of new Spielbergs, I have no interest in it, thus I'd lose out, because everything else I do have an interest in would suffer from the unavoidable split in resources and attention.
But hey. everyone seems to love Yahoo around here, so I'm sure they'll do the right thing.
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So you're saying that if Flickr allows video, it will somehow magically transcend the crap and stolen goods of YouTube?
no. i provided a number of reasons beyond 'magic' for why it would transcend the crap on youtube.
how about i add another for good measure: every flickr account is reviewed before it becomes searchable.
But video? That just isn't as easy to create anything of any quality.
there are a lot of technical reasons why in many areas video is as easy to create as photos. for one, the continuous capture pretty much does away with having to worry about blur. therefore no worrying about ugly flash or red-eye. of course there are other things that are more difficult, but in the end it really isn't any easier or more difficult than stills.
since the do-all devices generally do nothing well.
they do photos too. are you saying that point and shoot cameras with video capability don't do stills well enough for flickr? if they do nothing well, then they aren't doing stills well either? [despite making up the majority of flickr uploads].
I'd lose out, because everything else I do have an interest in would suffer from the unavoidable split in resources and attention.
you've geotagged 2 photos. why not also complain about the unavoidable split in resources and attention that geotagging creates?
the flickr team has also increased in size considerably in the past year. that means more people to create and pay more attention to new features. server space and bandwidth keeps getting less expensive etc. etc.
Even if all the video were from an army of new Spielbergs
see, again i think you're really approaching the issue of video on flickr with some serious preconceptions of what constitutes "good" moving images. specifically, i'm guessing you have a heavy cinema bias.
flickr doesn't need an army of spielbergs .. more an army of warhols, wegmans and nam june paiks.
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I don't think they would actually make a video Flickr site - rather, the most obvious thing for me to do if I were Yahoo! would be to integrate JumpCut into Flickr. I think that's what they are doing because JumpCut says that it would be soon shifting to Yahoo! ID's.
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see i think you have it backwards. if flickr introduces video, and videos "wins" then flickr will have done something very wrong. the idea here is to mix video and photos in a way where they flow together.
@striatic:
what are you, an evangelist? ;-)
you paint a semi-rosy scenario, but after all the rhetoric...in the end it still comes down to the vested interests of market segments, doesn't it?
so yahoo and those of you who want to post/view video will benefit, and the rest of us find degraded service (vastly larger membership, culture changes, increased noise/crap/complexity, more management bureaucracy...erk).
sorry, but I don't buy the 'no-losers' scenario. especially worrisome for us who are just here for the fine arts pics (since we're a declining minority).
but I do accept that it's going to happen. eh, we move on.
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Civilized Explorer, it is true that those services allow video uploads, but none of them do a very good job of it.
What's a good job? Seriously, I'm curious.
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What's a good job? Seriously, I'm curious.
okay. so a good job means that the video can be uploaded in almost any number of codecs and dimensions and then be effectively transcoded for easy display. in flash, probably.
this makes things easy for uploaders and viewers, not having to worry about codecs and plugins [well other than flash, of course]
then there's interface. video should be able to be included in slideshows without interrupting the flow, you'd also want to be able to set a custom frame to represent the whole video at the start of the video. then you want a way to "fullscreen" the video easily and fairly seamlessly.
and when videos display in thumbnail view you might want a way to tell they are videos and quickly view a sample.
more importantly perhaps is making sure that video is searchable in a way that integrates with photos but that can be dismissed if you're only interested in photos. should videos appear in explore etc. etc. are questions that need to be addressed. flickr needs to decide if videos should be able to be posted inline in group topics. lots of little details that are very important to get right.
videos need to be as easily bloggable as photos too.
so basically, lots of details that come together to make things work without people having to think too much about how to make it work.
most importantly avoiding help topics like this one regarding video on smugmug.
the videofile hosting part is relatively easy. that's why a number of other hosts have done it to marginal success. the devil is in the details.
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the rest of us find degraded service (vastly larger membership, culture changes, increased noise/crap/complexity, more management bureaucracy...erk).
i've been here since the beginning of flickr. by your logic, since you are part of the 'vastly larger membership' that has arrived since i did - you are ruining my flickr experience and i should complain about how your presence is degrading my level of service.
on the contrary, i'd rather you stay because culture changes and increasing membership are part of what keeps flickr fresh and interesting. all the while, flickr is in many ways SIMPLER than when it first started [for real].
sorry, but I don't buy the 'no-losers' scenario. especially worrisome for us who are just here for the fine arts pics (since we're a declining minority).
for as long as i've been here flickr has been run on an 'as few losers as is absolutely necessary' basis - flickr wouldn't be as big as it is otherwise.
flickr's strength has always been in diversity, that all kinds of people interested in all kinds of different things are collected under one roof. that's what makes things interesting.
part of making that work is helping people avoid the stuff they aren't interested in.
video is just another aspect of that.
call me pollyanna, but i just don't buy this idea that people only interested in "fine art" photos are suddenly going to be flooded with video clips they watch. even without a likely opt out or opt in filter, the nature of the groups and social networks you belong to will keep the stuff away from you.
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I'm still waiting for your reasons why video on Flickr would be better than video on YouTube. Where was that again?
Yes, I have serious preconceptions of what constitutes "good" moving images. but even assuming, as I said, a flood of "good" videos, hell assuming a flood of pirated movies that everyone loves, or a flood of porn that everyone loves.
It's still not Flickr.
And the idea that maintaining a section of video is somehow analogous to geotagging? disingenuous and ludicrous. and probably some other -ous I can't think of right now. Video wouldn't be another feature, it'd be another entire Flickr, with all of the problems, bugs, hangups and issues of an entire other Flickr.
So yah, that bothers me, since I want none of it. and there isn't actually an entirely other Flickr staff cloned someplace to deal with it.
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So just where does Flickr want to head?
Moving to video means moving into a another creative medium, would music follow? Maybe video games for people who enjoy that? In fact why stop there? - internet dating is popular - Flickr/Yahoo could make loads of money there ....
There is a risk of diluting the brand and turning Flickr into a new Myspace/Youtube content thieving, lowest common denominator - but vastly popular portal run by kids (as lets face it video content on average takes much longer to put together then photography, and who has the time apart from them and advertising companies to do this?......Hence the content in Youtube).
Flickr is as good as it is because it concentates on what it does best - photography. Why take the focus off this? There is a reason for the success of organisations that dominate their area - it is because they are so focused. Porsche do not make boats and planes, are smaller then Toyota, yet are the most profitable care manufactor in the world.
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"the searcher", i have provided a long list of reasons why flickr here would be better than on youtube. i can only surmise that you haven't actually been reading my posts. perhaps i need to articulate these ideas in a form more easily understood by you?
video perhaps?
"Garron Nicholls", are music and video games and and internet dating produced on the majority of digital cameras?
no.
video is.
if flickr wants to fully support the full capabilities of the majority of digital cameras, they need to also support video.
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I have a you tube account and I have never seen or found anything of quality. I rarely ever go there and would not care if I lost my account.
There is never "quality" video there and after a few weeks I stopped looking. Its a place for kids and kid video and would be the same here without oversite.
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@striatic:
pls forgive us if we don't catch all your points--there is an inexhaustible supply. ;-)
by your logic, since you are part of the 'vastly larger membership' that has arrived since i did - you are ruining my flickr experience and i should complain about how your presence is degrading my level of service.
partly true--I haven't been here as long as you, and I am part of a general "degrading" in the level of service (old skool members have been complaining about how things 'aren't the same' as long as I've been here). I also find that a few things have degraded over the past year or so, but that's another topic.
surely you aren't comparing the steady addition of new still photographers (most of whom fit into the same old demographics, and blend into flickr culture easily) to the sudden growth from an entirely new segment of videoheads (yes, I'm still talking about my 15-year-old son).
anyway, not really interested in debating you point-for-point. it still comes down to "you are pro, I'm con" (you win, I lose). rhetorical games aren't going to change that.
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So you’re saying that most likely there will not be a transferring link to move my photo’s from Yahoo Photo’s to Flickr until later this summer, thus only adding to the list of those attempting the move at that time, thereby doubling the load and increasing the waiting time on the move queue. Sounds like someone didn’t think this one through very well.
Likewise the question, is the offer for three months of Flickr pro, retroactive upon the date upon which one transfers their photos? What about if you’ve just recently opened your account here and are awaiting information in regards to how the transfer works, does this effect your eligibility for receiving the free offer when the times comes for your transfer? If so then would it not be wise to not open an account (here) until the tools for transferring photos have been provided?
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I have a you tube account and I have never seen or found anything of quality.
Hmph. You obviously have missed _my_ artful presentations.
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> okay. so a good job means
>SNIP<
You've set a high bar for any service, including flickr if it ever does videos. After I posted my question, I thought of the community at fickr which seems to be (to me, anyway) more active than those at phanfare and smugmug. That may be more important than the factors you mention. Or maybe not.
To each his own, though. I never had any problems converting to MPEG-1 for smugmug, and format conversion not a problem at phanfare. Smugmug and phanfare are different enough to me that I use both for particular features, and in my humble opinion, they both keep improving.
I have difficulty believing flickr (at least as it's presently constituted) would become the wild west show that youtube has been. I do question whether staff could keep up with monitoring content.
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is the offer for three months of Flickr pro, retroactive upon the date upon which one transfers their photos?
Where is this offer? I could find nothing on the Yahoo photos site that even suggested such a thing. I certainly haven't received any emails from Yahoo Photos about my account saying anything like that either. I have read about this "3 month free" offer on various websites, but I've seen nothing official about it.
I'm only pointing you to the official Yahoo help pages because that's all I know.
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I am hopeful for video. I take both photos and video with my camera, and I hate having to send friends different places to see things that are obviously intermixed in time.
Plus, it would save me some hassle having just one place to upload to.
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I do question whether staff could keep up with monitoring content.
Ha! yes, that would be interesting. All those poor people terrified of porn on here, will now be forced to watch hours of video before they can hit the "please review" button. Their entire day, nay their entire lives would be reduced to poring over the thousands of hours of porn to protect us all.
That alone, is reason enough for me why we should now allow video.
Striatic: your link didn't actually go to where you listed how Flickr would be better than youtube, just to where you exclaim that Flickr will be better than youtube. That sort of statement-of-fact might work for our commander in chief, but, well, no. doesn't really work for him either.
I Seriously doubt people are hoarding all of their quality video waiting for Flickr to allow it. Which leads me to believe, that the sea of crap that I see online, is the sea of crap I'd see on here.
Or not see, if the little checkbox works.
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Why does Flickr have to be better than youtube in terms of video content? Surely it would be better than Youtube because it is a photo-sharing community that allows video - even if it's crap at it.
It would simply offer more than youtube.
Even if (and I think it is inevitable) that video is hosted here, it is not instantly in competition with any other service (including vimeo) that hosts video. It is creating its own market, almost. It doesn't have to compete - that's like saying that as soon as a bike manufacturer wants to make cars, they have to instantly have to be better than BMW or Mercedes or there's either no point, or that their bikes will instantly suck.
The extra resource drain (in both analogy and this issue) could impact the other aspect, but proper planning and good visualisation will circumvent most of the issues, surely?
My only concerns (as I have said) are in the content. And if that can be managed or policed to an acceptable level, then there is very little in terms of downside to me.
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Brock: I totally agree, there's no competition against other sites, although Yahoo probably disagrees. For me it is just the content that we'd get, and the quality of that content.
I dunno. I read a thread someplace about a bunch of ad execs bitching about Flickr, how it's dumbing down the collective level of photography. My experience is actually the opposite; the exposure and desire to show images here I think has expanded and improved the skills of many photographers and artists.
So maybe that could happen with video. Maybe the power and influence of the Flickr community can lead to a similar improvement and enrichment of the average video clip.
Either that or video will lead to the destruction of Flickr and all that lay within.
optimism comes slowly to me.
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Brenda,
On Yahoo Photos click the link to “My Photos” then you will note in the upper right hand corner the remark “Heard the News”. Under this statement click on the link “Learn More”, you will be brought to the “Yahoo Photos Help”, page, then look under the “Moving to another Service” set of questions, click on the very last question, “What are the storage and upload policies at the services offered?” the following is stated near the bottom,
“To make the transition easier on our users, all Yahoo! Photos users moving to Flickr will receive 3 months of Flickr Pro for free, which has none of the limits described above. Then if these limits become an issue after your three-month free trial expires, you may choose to upgrade to a Flickr Pro account $24.95 per year.”
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... receive 3 months of Flickr Pro for free, which has none of the limits described above. Then if these limits become an issue after your three-month free trial expires, you may choose to upgrade to a Flickr Pro account ... .
Very nice marketing in my very humble opinion.
(Of course we'll have more "where did my pictures go" threads)
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Ah, thanks, his2use, I had missed that bit.
I think your best bet is to send a Customer Care query from that page and ask your question there.
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how do i move my pics in mu yahoo photos to flickr?
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In a few months, they will have a tool for you to use to move them.
help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/photos/photos3/closing/
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Can't wait for all the "why can't I change the order of my photos" posts.
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Or the "How come they're getting three months free when I had to pay full price?" posts...
I guess my biggest fear is that YouTubers or ex-YouTubers will start to migrate. Seriously, there's some horrifying people on there - the abusive / racist / homophobic comments on some of the items must be seen to be believed.
Here's an example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkkaWePBAXU
How do you screen those morons out?
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Or the "How come they're getting three months free when I had to pay full price?" posts...
There's already been one of those. THEY'RE getting something for free, so why shouldn't I?
How many people are opening up Yahoo photo accounts to get the free 3 months, though, eh?
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Or the "How come they are getting three free months for migrating when I got nothing for migrating from an old-school account?" posts.
New customers only is the reply. :)
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I'm sure many of the Yahoo! Photo users are just as concerned as some of you are.
Of course, some concerns are legitimate-such as bandwidth and slow downloading.
However, I have accounts on several of these services, and after seeing some of the prevailing attitudes here, I am sure to have my photos moved to my Kodak albums. Generally speaking, I'm sure most people don't want to deal with pseudo-snobs any more than they want to deal with amateurs.
I must say, however, that the snobbery does reflect poorly on this site.
Bob Kriegar
What are the storage and upload policies at the services offered?
Each service has its own storage and upload policies and we’ll let each of them speak for themselves (see links below). But since Flickr is a Yahoo! service, we are in a position to tell you a bit more about their policies.
Flickr has two types of user accounts (free and Pro) with a few key differences:
Storage Policies: Flickr also offers unlimited storage, but if you have a free account, you'll see only your most recent 200 photos. If you have a Pro account, you'll be able to see all your photos.
Upload Policies: If you have a free account, you can upload 100MB of photos each calendar month. On the Flickr Upload page, you can see how much bandwidth you have left. Note that this is a bandwidth limit, so it doesn’t translate exactly to the cumulative file size of your photos. For most of our users, this limit is more than enough.
To make the transition easier on our users, all Yahoo! Photos users moving to Flickr will receive 3 months of Flickr Pro for free, which has none of the limits described above. Then if these limits become an issue after your three-month free trial expires, you may choose to upgrade to a Flickr Pro account $24.95 per year.
Here are links to the other services policies and FAQs.
Kodak Gallery
Shutterfyl
Snapfish
Photobucket
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Will we be able to pick up our prints at our local Target after we make the switch?
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flyerno9 says:
Will we be able to pick up our prints at our local Target after we make the switch?
I was wondering the same thing. I work at Target, and while I don't use that service very often, it is useful for certain situations. I don't recall seeing anything about it at work, and as far as I know they still support it, but I will have to ask at the photo lab tomorrow..
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My little "Print This" button (above each of my photos on Flickr) tells me I can venture to Target to pick them up. Not the Target right next to me, but the one next to that one, so close enough.
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I'm starting to get worried that I've yet to see an unambiguous denial from any of the staff that Flickr is going to incorporate video. It's a disasterous idea and I'd hope that Flickr/Yahoo would be smarter than that. Photography and Video are just too dissimilar to work well together.
I mean if we're going to start down that road, why not have Flickr host my bookmarks as well? Why not merge it with Yahoo Answers, or Yahoo Finance? These ideas make about as much sense.
If people want to share both, then link Jumpcut together with Flickr on a user's 360 page, or My Yahoo, or something like that. It's a lot easier to create a mashup for people who do want this stuff linked together than it is to separate it out once its integrated.
I can only speak for myself, but making Flickr into a Youtube is one of the few things that would make me jump ship, regardless of how much time/energy I've previously invested here.
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Have faith
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Damn! I am glad I am going to spend my summer building a log home in Sequoia nationlal park. (don't ask) I will be so far from computers, the internet and all that interesting, but non essential information. I sure will miss Flickr though. What a fun place. I will think of all my flickr friends while I am out there surounded by nothing but forest and mountains. I will especially miss the spirited forum discussions. I can't read too many of them though, I get cerebreal meltdown.
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"And the idea that maintaining a section of video is somehow analogous to geotagging? disingenuous and ludicrous. and probably some other -ous I can't think of right now. Video wouldn't be another feature, it'd be another entire Flickr, with all of the problems, bugs, hangups and issues of an entire other Flickr."
I do not want to see video on flickr. Of course, I also do not want to see illustrations, paintings, mosaics, collages, or other non-photographic images on flickr, either.
But those art forms were deemed flickr-worthy, despite my not so vocal protests. So, why should we draw the line at video? It's yet another art-form/media form, so why shouldn't people be allowed to post it here.
You don't want video, don't search for it. Of couse, when all your contacts start uploading video to their streams, you'll either have to drop them as contacts or just skip all those videos (sketches, doodles, illustrations, paintings, etc.) because filtering for photos only, only applies to searches....
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Unfortunately, the point of my quote there, is even a teeny-tiny sub culture of video here? Will affect the non-video features and functions significantly. Art and non/photo will never have that impact.
So even ignoring video, never watching any, never searching for any, I'd be unable to ignore video. Because the rest of Flickr would suffer regardless.
Like being an only child, and your parents suddenly having quadruplets. yes it can be done, yes its possible they'll still be a happy family, but there's no way that only child is gonna enjoy the focus of his parents as he did before. no matter how much he tries to ignore his loud, pooping, crying, eat everything in sight, sibs.
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Can you be specific about how allowing individual members to upload video to their streams will change your flickr experience?
I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to create a filter that allows you to opt out of searching for video. And, as I stated above, if you don't want to see it in a contact's stream, either don't view it, or drop that contact.
I fail to see how allowing video uploads to an individual's "media" stream (seriously, it's not a photostream anymore at any rate) will affect your experience here.
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It's an issue of available resources. Images=only child. Video=quadruplets. Quintuplets, even.
Flickr would be building in entirely new interface systems for the video, entirely new tools, new functionality, new safeguards, and require immense amount of storage and bandwidth increases just to accommodate the video.
and none of that would help in one bit my experience with non-video. And much of that could in fact hinder my experience with non-video.
It took how long to come up with Sets of Sets? a larger slideshow? unlimited uploads? Do you really think adding something as different and space/resource consuming as video, wouldn't affect any present and/or future functionality for non-video?
That's why, if I never ever saw a video on FlickrTube, it will still affect my Flickr experience in a negative way.
Flickr is more than welcome to prove me wrong. But I expect to be able to permalink to this here post many, many times, among the future help forum sobbing.
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Can you be specific about how allowing individual members to upload video to their streams will change your flickr experience?
I think that's a fair question, and I'm not sure it can be answered now. The has provided some suggestions, and I think he's dead-on with the lengthy delays in programming as flickr staff retools flickr for vids and continuing delays as the videos suck up time now spent on something else, to say nothing of long delays in approvals, but that brings in the other major impact: the forums. I'm not sure how you filter out the posts on video questions and complaints. And people who have interesting questions and comments on still images and how they're presented will be stuck in with the screaming quads, as The suggests.
Dropping contacts is one answer, but shall we call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
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Can you be specific about how allowing individual members to upload video to their streams will change your flickr experience?
sure, I can give you a specific fear: my 15-year-old son and his buddies. currently they don't care about flickr, because the culture is too adult, mature, sedate, whatever. also, they don't care about still photography. on the other hand, they love shooting jackass stunts, watching 'red vs. blue' and dane cook videos on youtube, joining gaming clans, and other typical teenage stuff.
I don't want him, and millions of others like him, to throng onto flickr. call me selfish, but smallish, focused, specialized market = good; huge, one-size-fits-all = bad. some people seem to imagine that video would just be a minor technical embellishment for the pleasure of current users, and that the flickr experience will remain exactly the same. my fear is that a massive influx of new users with very different desires will degrade the flickr culture (which is an asset that I'm sure the company values).
it's not even necessarily anything against video--I also don't want the photobucket glitter-gif myspace crowd (also a huge market) on flickr.
I'm not a big fan of illustrations, paintings, mosaics, collages, and other non-photographic images on flickr, either. but those artists are in the minority, and in fact they are of a similar demographic to me. they blend in. I don't think any of us knows what flickr would become with millions of members like my son--but it would be vastly different.
so does this stance make me a conservative? gak, I've become my Republican grandfather!
as to opt-out filters, they are bandaids. flickr won't even create a filter that lets me be oblivious of the mushrooming viral awards groups. don't get me started on that.
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