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update: apparently the real spam attack (for which i think the above was a test) is going on now, e.g. this spam comment with advertising link:
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72057594049714778/comment...
and there is no easy way (one-click) to report a comment as being "spam". that's a problem...
i noticed that the fake spam user that made the comment (link above)has been deleted, but unfortunately flickr did not delete the spam-comments made by this user :(
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no you need to keep it on there, and do the "report abuse" button on that page so they can see it. and maybe add a comment warning folk not to click on it.
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> no you need to keep it on there, and do the "report abuse" button on that page so they can see it. and maybe add a comment warning folk not to click on it.
it would be better to have the same system as myspace, google video etc, i.e. a small "spam" link just under each comment, together with "permalink" and "delete".
also, i would love if those links cound be visible in the "Recent Activity" page, so that spam could be eradicated faster, without the need to go in each photo page to flag them.
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apparently flickr took action and removed all the spam comments of the kind i reported in the first post of this thread (except those that are attached to Sets rather than to photos).
good to know they are on top of that!
bu the attack is still going on, i get new spam comments every minute (literally), e.g.
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72057594049714778/comment...
apparently spammers have a way to obtain Yahoo ID's automatically, and once you have a Yahoo ID, you can get a Flickr account automatically. I don't think Flickr has any screen to check that you are human (e.g. pattern recognition that robots have hard time with).
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I guess we have to start looking in Explore for an increase in interestingness of your pictures...;-)
I hope Yahoo will be able to stop these spammers in their tracks without interfering with those of us who like to add informational links to their pictures or comments.
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"(except those that are attached to Sets rather than to photos)."
We are working on that as well.
Thanks for the reports and we are following up with this and others coming in. And yes, 'Report Abuse' is the best way to report via the help by email. thanks!
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Kevin: thanks.
i'm sure they can make the difference. for example spammers generally don't have any uploaded photo.
> And yes, 'Report Abuse' is the best way to report via the help by email. thanks!
it would be nice to have a "report abuse" (or "spam") link under each individual comment, e.g. near the "permalink" and "delete" link). that's what is dome of other sites like google video, myspace etc.
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Over an hour ago I saw a comment in my "comments you've made" page:
Well done!
play poker (link)
...by a user named a253deC7mGk. The interesting bit is that this didn't ring any "spam" bells whatsoever, as the "well done!" comment looked like a variant on the classic "great shot!", the linked "play poker" seemed like a link to a group... and the username didn't look any weirder than names I've seen around. Pretty random and unwieldy, yes, but not terribly abnormal...
Just goes to tell on what we've grown used to, I guess.
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> a253deC7mGk
that's clearly totally random characters, an obvious spam signature!
also, spammers have the generic gray profile icon, and no uploaded photos.
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Agreed... I'm just saying I've seen real users choosing handles that look no less random. The posting behavior itself looked entirely typical.
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maybe one solution would be to add a dynamic pattern recognition step when posting a comment?
i keep getting more spam comments, that's scary!
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I guess flickr and even Yahoo have some tools and programs running to spot spam but it would be daft to discuss those openly on a messageboard.
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Kevin:
apparently the spam comments have been removed from my Sets, but they still apear in my "Recent Activity" page.
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yeah, working on that too
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another thing, Kevin:
it takes at least 5 clicks (generally more like 6 or 7) to report a spam comment that i see on the "Recent Activity" page:
1) open page where spam comment is located
2) select "report Abuse" (generally require more than one click, since the link is at the very bottom of the page)
3) open the pop-up menu for abuse type
4) select "spam-o-rama"
5) select "Send"
you guys should make it much simpler, i.e. one click "spam" next to the comment, including in the "Recent Activity" page.
otherwise relatively few people would go through the painful process of reporting spam, and that's good for spammers.
another similar issue: if i want to manually delete a soam comment and block the spammer, it takes at least 6 clicks:
1) click "delete"
2) check "block" in delete confirm
3) click "Delete"
4) click box "Please confirm that you're sure you want to block a8rhaXnkC6e." in "Block a8rhaXnkC6e?" confirmation dialog
5) click "Block"
6) click "Ok" in yet-another-confirmation-dialog!
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honnestly, with one spam landing on my photos and sets every minute or so, reporting them (with "report abuse") becomes a full-time job.
i just cannot keep up, you need to do something about that!
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That's something that has to be done on Yahoo's side — it's up to them to prevent automated creation of user IDs.
No Yahoo ID, no flickr account. No flickr account, no spam.
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apparently they're not yet able to prevent that.
or maybe the spammers can pay cheap workers in poor parts of the world to work around yahoo's safeguards and create thousands of accounts that can be used for spam.
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i wonder why the following fake spammer users have not been deleted yet (got spam from them 3 hours ago):
apDqnt4hDf
atXou5gDGuh
aXgebn16mqk
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Nothing worse than fake spam, much prefer the real thing....
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that's not fake spam.
that's just tests done by real spammers just before the actual spamming campain, just to check that their system will work.
the same fake users will later inondate the system with spam. so it's important that they be deleted.
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I'm still getting a lot of these spams. For a while this morning, they at least had been stripped of the advertising links, but those are back now.
Is anything being done about this or are we stuck with this forever?
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ooops, I've been attacked too, in the same way...
All details here:
flickr.com/forums/help/33693/
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www.flickr.com/photos/striatic/sets/29678/comments/
i was hit in this way. staff, see above link for accounts to delete.
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As far as I see it, an effective immediate measure could be to disallow new accounts with a name that begins with "a" :-)
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I have one particular set that seems to be the major target for this spam on my photostream. I can delete it but I've never deleted a set before and I want to make sure that the pictures within it aren't deleted too.
Can anyone tell me the correct procedure to protect my pictures? Thanks.
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If you delete a set, the pictures themselves are NOT deleted.
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i've had a few of these recently too, on my most viewed/popular photos.
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Panadrine: Okay, thanks. If the spamming doesn't stop soon, that's what I'll do.
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www.flickr.com/photos/striatic/sets/72157594319317039/com...
more spam.
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I've been finding it on photos in my "comments you've made" section, too. I used Report Abuse already - I just hope they can put a lid on it somehow!
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LOTS of spam in my sets today!
i counted about 40 in my "Recent Activity".
e.g.
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/432859/comments/#comment7...
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72057594065222895/comment...
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72057594049714778/comment...
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72157594359648732/comment...
I'm not gonna report them individually, but i hope Flickr will eradicate those spammers accounts and erase all their spam comments.
One suggestion: offer options to prevent people from posting comments unless
- they have uploaded at least one photo
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- they have set an avatar (i.e. member's icon photo, not gray default)
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- at least one of their photos have been commented
this might temporarily put a lid on that spam attack until yahoo and flickr find a better solution to prevent non-humans (i.e. spammer bots) from creating yahoo or flickr accounts.
the fact that all those spamming accounts appear is not a good sign: it means that the spammers are able to create as many fake yahoo accounts as they want, i.e. yahoo does not have a good way to check that you are human when you create a new yahoo account, and spammer's bots (i.e. robots) are taking full advantage of that. there is a pattern recognition thing on the yahoo account creation page, but apparently some programs are smart enough to recognize the characters.
this is a VERY BIG PROBLEM!
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Can they not make that funny word recognition thing part of the sign up process? That's supposed to stop spam machines as a human has to type in the strange font letters
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Can they not make that funny word recognition thing part of the sign up process?
It is part of the process already.
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> It is part of the process already.
yes, but it is apparently too easy, and off-the-shelf or opensource pattern-recognition algorithms are smart enough to recognize those words automatically.
they should introduce more noise, colors and distortions to make it harder. i have seen some pattern that are not formed by black shapes, but rather rather color fuzzy shapes mades of disconnected dots. this is apparently harder to recognize automatically.
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These accounts are spamming on my photos and sets:
a1DdppCc4a
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a1hsqr5DnXc
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I've blocked every one of the fuckers.
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it's useless (and painfully complicated) to block those account individually. they are created automatically, and there are thousands of those fake accounts. in the time you block one, 10 more are created by the spam bot.
what is important is that flickr and yahoo find a way to prevent that from happening, and that they erase all the spam messages already generated by those fake accounts.
e.g. it's like the spam you get in your mailbox: your time is better spent finding a good filter (or a service that filters spam efficiently) than erasing them individually.
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An easier temporary fix is to turn off comments on your photos from people who are not in your contact list.
www.flickr.com/account/?donephotoconf=1&tab=privacy
I'm going to leave non-contact comments off until a fix is found for this... I suspect finding the bot will involve doing some timestamp & ip checking...
- Jim
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I'm going to leave non-contact comments off until a fix is found for this... I suspect finding the bot will involve doing some timestamp & ip checking...
me too.
the bot has moved from commenting on my sets to commenting on a slew of photos.
this is extremely annoying.
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I just got a comment with ..'sweet' and a link to a business..to do with 'Law'
so i responded with this comment .....
Thank you ao5C2sdur7q :)
not sure why you put the link up tho....in relation to my image???
and i can't see any of your photos in your photo stream :(
now it's suddenly deleted !
I only just noticed this thread so i thought it might be to do with this same issue
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George got hit, too.
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I'm starting to feel left out.
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I feel your pain Matt. I didn't get any camera phone porn earlier this weekend during the thumbnail debacle, and I was really disappointed to discover that I hadn't been spammed either. It was like I was not part of the Flickr family anymore. Luckily I just now received a spam reply on one of my pictures! It was gone before I could say yay though. They're working overtime in Flickr HQ.
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I guess I'm not popular enough to spam.
A workaround I've seen elsewhere is to prevent any account less than a day old from posting.
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I think flickr should implement captcha techniques using flickr photos before allowing comments.
something like this www.twocrowds.com/
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The best captchas are only about 95% effective at stopping spam, which sounds like a lot until you think about how quickly a computer can run through 20 tries to get one right. And, for every spam you stop, how many real users are you annoying - those same highly-effective captchas tend to fool people a fair bit as well, and how annoying is that?
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One typepad blog captcha filter is about 20% effective at stopping my comments, but fortunately I get a second chance.
The technique is not an option for Flickr, from my point of view. I comment on too many photos not belonging to people who have marked me as contacts. (I assume the feature would not require per-comment verification for contacts.)
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disallowing comments for non-contacts is not something i want to do.
i want anyone to be able to comment my photos.
i just want yahoo and flickt engineers to prevent more spammer bots from posting comments, and to delete all the comments that they have already posted (there are lots still in my account).
> so i responded with this comment .....
> Thank you ao5C2sdur7q :)
no need to answer, bots are programs designed to post spam, not designed to read feedback!
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I have the same problem on some of my photos.
I hope flickr will very soon fix this spam problem...
GOod luck
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flickr has removed all the spam comments that had a link, but all the comments posted by the same spamming bots but that don't have a link (e.g. part of their test-runs) are still there in my sets.
flickr STAFF, any chance that you will also remove all those?
there are at least 20 in my account, all from the last 16 hours, all one-liners from fake users with random names starting with "a"...
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If the accounts that made the initial posts aren't the same ones that made the linked posts (and from my brief poking around, it looks like one account per message), it may take them some time to identify the spoof accounts used for testing - the links posted make the other accounts rather simple to find. I don't doubt they'll get to it, but you might be better off hitting the 'delete' key on your own if you want it done quickly.
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at least they'd better disable all those accounts, since now they are all still active, and can be used any time to send more spam.
> (and from my brief poking around, it looks like one account per message),
yeah, i agree, it looks like that, and that makes it even more scary. but i guess if one account was sending lots of comments, it would raise red-flags right away, so the spammers probably already tested it, and since they have an easy way to create as many yahoo and flickr accounts as they want (and that means thousands or tens of thousands, probably), they afford to use one account per message.
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FWIW, I haven't seen any new ones for a couple of hours now -- not even on the set that was the prime target, which I didn't delete.
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I guess that the staff has no answers to the latest questions/complaints. Maybe they are alseep at the switch
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loupiote says:
One suggestion: offer options to prevent people from posting comments unless
- they have uploaded at least one photo Can be done automatically by the spambot (just pick a random image from flickr and upload it again).
- they have set an avatar (i.e. member's icon photo, not gray default) Can be done automatically by the spambot (pick a random buddy icon and upload it again).
- at least one of their photos have been commented Can be done automatically by the spambot (just post a spam comment using one of the other accounts).
All that doesn't work. The only solution is to stop the creation of fake accounts.
And until then the spambots are probably stockpiling thousands of unused Yahoo IDs so that they can keep spamming even if Yahoo tightens the account creation procedure someday.
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i agree that my proposal would only work until the spammers change a few lines in the code of their bots.
> And until then the spambots are probably stockpiling thousands of unused Yahoo IDs so that they can keep spamming even if Yahoo tightens the account creation procedure someday.
that's what i am afraid of.
hopefully flickr will develop some algorithms (heuristics) to recognize those fake users (that will be created with already created fake yahoo IDs) and prevent the damage.
and having another, harder pattern-recognition step in flickr for each comments could maybe help, if it's hard enough to cause bots to have problems. but clearly the problem now is with yahoo, and they'd better cap the leak rapidly in their account creation process.
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[Sigh] - yet another problem caused by the flickr/Yahoo merge?
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> yet another problem caused by the flickr/Yahoo merge?
no, i think that the old flickr sign-up process (before the yahoo acquisition) was also vulnerable to this sort of attack.
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Life's too full of problems with real people, let alone spammy bots.
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Julesangel, no point writing back. Bots don't read their inboxes.
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flickr has removed all the spam comments that had a link, but all the comments posted by the same spamming bots but that don't have a link (e.g. part of their test-runs) are still there in my sets.
flickr STAFF, any chance that you will also remove all those?
there are at least 20 in my account, all from the last 16 hours, all one-liners from fake users with random names starting with "a"...
Yes. The tool that we have seems to be choking on spam that does't have an URL, so I've opened a trouble ticket to get this fixed so we can get rid of those as well.
no, i think that the old flickr sign-up process (before the yahoo acquisition) was also vulnerable to this sort of attack.
Agreed. It just depends upon when you blip on the radar of those who spam. We've got some pretty great tools and filtering that the team has built. Each new wave teaches us something and we calibrate our proactive and reactive responses. Your patience is appreciated while we adapt to this latest wave. We hate spam as much as you do.
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www.flickr.com/photos/pandarine/136462087/#comment7215759...
14 and 7 minutes ago.
Are we supposed to leave them or can we delete them right away?
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loupiote says:
i think that the old flickr sign-up process (before the yahoo acquisition) was also vulnerable to this sort of attack. Yes and no. Of course the old sign-up was vulnerable, too. The difference is that (a) the old system was entirely under flickr's control, so they could simply go and fix it. Now they have to pass it on to Yahoo and wait until they fix it. And (b) with the old system spammers had to create thousands of email accounts with some email provider first, and then sign up for flickr with each of those addresses. The new sign-up automatically creates an email address for them on the fly, so they save one step in the process. And (c) flickr can only delete flickr accounts, not Yahoo accounts. All the Yahoo IDs are still intact, ready to be used in the next spam run.
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Another bunch of spam messages coming through all with links to elsewhere. Reported via Report Abuse.
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I just answered my question myself, when I reported the spam. I left the comments as they were.
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Thanks, Pandarine. I've added the URLs to the filter and they're now gone.
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And (c) flickr can only delete flickr accounts, not Yahoo accounts.
Actually, that's not correct. We have access to the AMT and deactive Y! IDs as we routinely do for spammers and 1 strike violations.
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More spam coming through. Has anyone noticed that the spam links are linking to a site at Geocities? I haven't used that place since YAHOO took it over.
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links are linking to a site at Geocities
Which is fabulous because we can have those sites taken down.
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Pity you didn't stop them being set up in the first place.
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Thanks Heather, that was fast!
But only one is gone, the other one is still there:
www.flickr.com/photos/pandarine/82237655/#comment72157594...
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Thank you! :-)))
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Spammy spam here
www.flickr.com/photos/upyerbum/92522256/#comment721575945...
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Pity you didn't stop them being set up in the first place.
We're working on it.
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heather says:
We have access to the AMT and deactive Y! IDs as we routinely do for spammers and 1 strike violations. Interesting. I checked those from loupiote's original posting with profiles.yahoo.com and they are all still there. So I understand that by "deactivate" you mean that they are not deleted, but can no longer be used to sign in, right?
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Interesting. I checked those from loupiote's original posting with profiles.yahoo.com and they are all still there.
I was speaking in general terms. I would need to circle back with the team, but I think we're making a big list to send to our friends at Yahoo! for mass deactivation.
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I noticed no spam comments yet, but there is something other irritating:
in 'comments you made', there are two pics showing up which had the last posts 18 months and 6 weeks ago, and after that is one which is only 1 hour old.
Maybe a hint for just deleted spam mails?
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Outbound links in comments on Flickr are really rare.
Can't you scan for accounts that post a certain amount of outbound links in a given time, or make more posts with outbound links than not?
Seems to me that even if you can't easily stop them being posted in the first place, you could give yourselves tools to detect them without having to rely on 'Report Abuse' all the time.
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Or, instead stopping posts from people other than our contacts, can we have an option to prevent posts that have URLs in them? :)
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They said they're working on it...
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Or, instead stopping posts from people other than our contacts, can we have an option to prevent posts that have URLs in them? :)
Seems a perfect solution to prevent all these annoying group identifiers, too ;-)))
I would *LOVE* to have this option - even though it means no one could add a picture in a comment anymore. But that would be a minor inconvenience compared to the huge bonus!
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Or, instead stopping posts from people other than our contacts, can we have an option to prevent posts that have URLs in them? :)
I'll share this with the team.
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I am also getting these spam comments.
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I have another question:
I am hesitant to report spam comments when I see them on other people's pictures, like here, found in comments I have made:
www.flickr.com/photos/epinym/52838759/#comment72157594542...
www.flickr.com/photos/dans180/24366579/
www.flickr.com/photos/karimelissa/36246714/#comment721575...
After all, they all LOOK like spam to me, but it COULD very well be someone with a real Flickr account.
What are we supposed to do in that case?
[Edit: None of them has a link, just a comment]
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Go Heather ! :)
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One spam I just saw led to a Flickr account with the URL-name "ringtones" (.../photos/ringtones/...). Might want to lock down this name after nuking the account, as it's likely to be attractive for future use. Or even better, use it as a honeytrap and quietly delete posts linking to it. Some sites allow apparent spam to appear to submit successfully, but either don't post it or flag it so that only the poster and presumed spammer can see it.
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I just got some spam here:
flickr.com/photos/martingordon/26058505/
I'm posting here only because I've seen others do the same. I'm not sure if I should remove the comment or leave it for an admin to see. Can we get some definite instructions on what to do?
Thanks!
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If you use the "report abuse" link on the bottom of the page with the spam, it tells you to leave it, Martin Gordon .
I wonder how long it will take the ringtone picture to show up in explore ;-)
Posted 64 months ago.
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aqC3m3ggbG says:
great composition!
get free ringtones
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This is spam and the account holder has no photos Maybe flickr could delete the account.
Posted 64 months ago.
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Looks like they already did! I was about to report the same ringtone account and it's already gone. Nice one!
Posted 64 months ago.
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there's a few of them about. have seen some adding comment to my and my contacts' photos.
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this is probably unrelated, but since it's happened in the last day twice, i thought i'd post it here.
had two people fave photos. neither of these people have any photos of their own to share, no icon other than the generic one, and when i checked their faves, it was all the same type of stuff.
like this person here seems to have a serious cop fetish.
and even creepier is this person who seems to be collecting shots of children and teens.
the cop one doesn't wig me out so much, but the kid one kinda does, and aside from just finding that kind of activity a little weird, could there be any other purpose they are faving them for?
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heather (staff) edited this topic 64 months ago.
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I've removed the URLs given that we don't like to get finger pointy in the forums. If you have concerns, Report Abuse is the route to take
Posted 64 months ago.
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fetching: have a look at this help discussion. Lots of people have had concerns about this and it's debated at length there. It's not related to spam.
www.flickr.com/forums/help/27955/
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oops, sorry heather. :)
and thanks spidrwegian, interesting read.
Posted 64 months ago.
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> Yes. The tool that we have seems to be choking on spam that does't have an URL, so I've opened a trouble ticket to get this fixed so we can get rid of those as well.
will this work retroactively?
also, i noticed that all those accounts that posted that sort of spam yesterday in my sets are still live. they have not been canceled, so the spammer could use them again if they wanted to.
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loupiote (Old Skool) edited this topic 64 months ago.
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spam comments, e.g. on this set page:
flickr.com/photos/loupiote/sets/72057594065222895/comments/
have still not been deleted (even though i reported them 2 days ago), and those users have still not be disabled.
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loupiote (Old Skool) edited this topic 64 months ago.
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Worse than spam, these links could actually cause harm. I started a thread without knowing this one was here: www.flickr.com/forums/help/33802/
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more spam.
www.flickr.com/people/74384018@N00/
See the last comment on this photo. It's been left on a dozen of my photos or so.
www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/160107760/
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Just had a look - most recent comment is from 9 months ago - I'd say the egg-roll in question has deleted his comment...
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